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[Anonymous No.11089229]

I'm finding it increasingly difficult to not become left wing in the Tony Blair, Hillary Clinton style. In fact, Woodrow Wilson's Racist Globalism ideology seems the ideal

[Anonymous No.11089241]

>management isn't work

[Anonymous No.11089244]

>>11089229
HAHAHAHAHHA

[Anonymous No.11089246]

>>11089229
Do you really think your opinion has any effect on political realities? Real talk.

[Anonymous No.11089248]

>>11089229
>left wing in the Tony Blair, Hillary Clinton style
You mean "not left wing in any meaningful sense"?

[Anonymous No.11089256]

>>11089241
>being a logistical go between is more important than technical productivity

[Anonymous No.11089289]

>>11089229
>imagine being 20 years behind the curve

[Anonymous No.11089307]

>>11089256
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.11089309]

The person who owns the machine assumes of all the risk, if the machine ceases to be productive and his firm fails, his reputation and creditworthiness are damaged, while his employees can find other work and are not going to be held responsible for the company's collapse.

If he was only a manager the cartoonist would have a slightly better argument, but even then, if you've ever worked for a badly managed company you will understand why good managers are important and well compensated.

[Anonymous No.11089314]

>>11089229
>If you own something and you make an agreement to let someone else use it for mutual benefit you don't deserve to get the rewards described by the terms of the agreement

[Anonymous No.11089318]

>>11089229
congrats

[Anonymous No.11089325]

>>11089256
Labour and resources alone produce very little if they're poorly managed.

[Anonymous No.11089347]

>>11089325
Depends on what you mean by "very little" i guess yes in the sense of exponential economic growth it would not be possible without managers and bureaucrats but a craftsman can manage his own work and produce quality.

[Anonymous No.11089364]

>>11089229
Friendly reminder that if you think you can outsource reproduction you have been infected with a mind-virus that destroys peoples

[Anonymous No.11089374]

>>11089347
>a craftsman
Not the guy you replied to but I agree that a craftsman can manage himself exceedingly well because the conscientiousness required to learn a trade tends to be accompanied with decent practical business instincts. However people with the skills and work ethic to be craftsmen make up only a small portion of the working class. In the past these perpetually unskilled people were serfs, today they are assembly line workers, fast food employees, etc.

[Anonymous No.11089378]

>>11089325
couldn't this management be adone by the producers?

[Anonymous No.11089398]

>>11089325
Hmm, I wonder who is behind this post?

[Anonymous No.11089400]

>>11089374
Not him but this has been done in factories in Argentina for example or Spain in th 30s

[Anonymous No.11089408]

>>11089378
start a worker co-op and find out

[Anonymous No.11089412]

>>11089378
That depends on the complexity of what is being produced and how you define a producer.

If you are making furniture, probably, if you are making airplanes or cars, no. Once the complexity reaches a certain level the people responsible for building and designing the products don't have the mental bandwidth to manage their financing, supply chains, etc.

[Anonymous No.11089421]

>>11089374
I know but that menial labor would not be so necessary if it were not for the constant desire for growth. I am against the ethos of capitalism not its logic.

[Anonymous No.11089423]

>Worlds major political problems caused by Reagen/Thatcher Neoliberlism that has evolved in to Blair/Obama/Clintonism
>I'm having a hard to time not becoming one

Where do you morons come from? Are you one of those dipshits that believe you can be a radical centrist?

[Anonymous No.11089434]

>>11089241
>Thinking an owner needs to manage anything himself instead of hiring a manager

[Anonymous No.11089447]

>>11089408
You can form an ideal business that is run by it's employees just fine, it's a little trickier to form an ideal world where nobody fucks off.

[Anonymous No.11089468]

>>11089421
Fair point, but that growth is arguably inevitable at this point. The developing world has an incredibly high birth rate and they almost all want western, developed living standards ASAP.

Only in a handful of countries is the growth "artificial" via planned obsolescence, marketing, etc. and to view capitalism as a means to build and supply things people don't really want or need just to make money is an extremely western notion. In the rest of the world it is supplying things people desperately want and in the case of things like food and healthcare, things they need as well.

[Anonymous No.11089482]

>>11089468
That is good to point out, and far be it from me to deny anyone the right to a dignified existence, but it might be a good idea for us to also export birth control to these places as well.

[Anonymous No.11089549]

>>11089241
>managers are owners
hell, even ceos do work. the shareholders are the parasites.

[Anonymous No.11089562]

>>11089256
people are disorganized sheep. they need management and direction.
see >>11089549

[Anonymous No.11089576]

>>11089562
That is insane that mankind has reached a point where people Unironically think our species are sheep. Peak slave morality.

[Anonymous No.11089583]

>>11089576
im sure youve seen what goes on in a classroom when a teacher steps out
that's what will happen if you get rid of management

[Anonymous No.11089690]

>>11089562
Needing an executive doesn't necessitate needing shareholders

[Anonymous No.11089719]

>>11089229
>Hillary Clinton style
But she's a neoliberal?

[Anonymous No.11089735]

>Blairites

[Anonymous No.11089776]

>>11089229
donkeys work too, what's your point?

[Anonymous No.11089781]

>>11089289
>loses election
what curve would that be?

[Anonymous No.11089795]

>>11089229
I think what you're looking for is probably Vince Cable but honestly the best idea now is to get in on the tories and just try to push them in a direction that doesn't involve Jacob Rees Mogg.