/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11087127]

Is Chomsky the most blown the fuck out man in history?

[Anonymous No.11087166]

>>11087127
>who is william buckley, jordan peterson, or any neocon "intellectual:

[Anonymous No.11087198]

>>11087127
No, The most BTFO'd man in history would probably be some ancient sophist whose actually point -baring the rediscovery of some manuscript- is forever lost to history and his name is now forever associated with a strawman of his actual ideas.

[Anonymous No.11087212]

>>11087127
I'm South American and i find his relationship with leftists populists leaders and presidents pretty hypocrite.

[Anonymous No.11087226]

>>11087198
Jesus?

[Anonymous No.11087255]

>>11087212
Does you being a South American have anything to do with it?

[Anonymous No.11087266]

leftist defending killing fields what's new

[Anonymous No.11087334]

>>11087127
Why do lefties get away with this shit? Supporting Trump is literally more taboo than supporting a communist dictator who imprisoned political enemies.

[Anonymous No.11087341]

>>11087334
You know that pretty much every western country also imprisons political enemies, right?

[Anonymous No.11087344]

Is MIT connected to the CIA?

[Anonymous No.11087351]

>>11087341
Yeah whatever you say comrade

[Anonymous No.11087361]

>>11087351
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp
*blocks your path*

[Anonymous No.11087365]

>>11087361
>a wikipedia article

[Anonymous No.11087367]

>>11087361

Calling Al Qaeda members "political enemies" seems pretty misleading and disingenuous wouldn't you say anon

[Anonymous No.11087382]

>>11087365
>can't clics on links
>guantanamo doesn't exist because it's on wikipedia

>>11087367
>a 2003 memo by then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said "We need to stop populating Guantanamo Bay (GTMO) with low-level enemy combatants... GTMO needs to serve as an [redacted] not a prison for Afghanistan."
anyway you're right anon. the based USA would never try to persecute a serious political enemy. pic unrelated

[Anonymous No.11087387]

>>11087367
No, it doesn't. Do you honestly think the republicans and democrats are each others political enemies?
Also, I'm not just talking about radical Islam. White Nationalists and genuine Communists are also imprisoned (depending on the country) or at best highly discriminated against. Any real threat to Anglo-Liberal hegemony is crushed by the totalitarian societies of the west.

[Anonymous No.11087390]

He was a literal Khmer Rouge apologist:

https://chomsky.info/19770625/

>Barron and Paul claim that there is no evidence of popular support for the Communists in the countryside and that people “fled to the cities” as a result of the “harsh regimen” imposed by the Communistrs — not the American bombing. Extensive evidence to the contrary, including eyewitness reports and books by French and American correspondents and observers long familiar with Cambodia (e.g., Richard Dudman, Serge Thion, J.C. Pomonti, Charles Meyer) is never cited. Nor do they try to account for the amazingly rapid growth of the revolutionary forces from 1969 to 1973, as attested by U.S. intelligence and as is obvious from the unfolding events themselves.

>Their quotes, where they can be checked, are no more reliable. Thus they claim that Ponchaud attributes to a Khmer Rouge official the statement that people expelled from the cities “are no longer needed, and local chiefs are free to dispose of them as they please,” implying that local chiefs are free to kill them. But Ponchaud’s first report on this (Le Monde, February 18, 1976) quotes a military chief as stating that they “are left to the absolute discretion of the local authorities,” which implies nothing of the sort.

[Anonymous No.11087410]

>>11087390
>He was a literal Khmer Rouge apologist
so he just followed the US govt example then?

[Anonymous No.11087422]

>>11087410
I'm not sure what information that snarky comment is intended to communicate. I don't think many of us here trust the US government very much, so if the implication is that "Chomsky has the same trustworthiness as the US government," that's pretty devastating for him and his defenders.

[Anonymous No.11087424]

>>11087255
He has a special relationship with Latam in general, he always come to socialist and leftist events here, last year was in Uruguay i remember, he comes to give conferences about how bad the US was with us, he probably has been in every university here

[Anonymous No.11087438]

>be anarchist
>have extremely authoritarian personality
It's my biggest beef with Chomsky

[Anonymous No.11087495]

>>11087341
Technically yes, but the difference between an authoritarian regime and a merely flawed regime is the range of political dissent deemed to be acceptable. Communists are given public platforms in the US. Capitalists weren't treated like that in Venezuela under Chavez. They also packed most of the media with their own people.

[Anonymous No.11087504]

>>11087382
>pic unrelated
Actually yes, pic very much unrelated. Unless you genuinely believe that governments can't keep sensitive information secret, you can't compare someone who leaks government info being persecuted to someone being persecuted for holding the wrong opinions.

[Anonymous No.11087510]

>>11087495
>They also packed most of the media with their own people.
Hmmmm, sounds familiar . . .

[Anonymous No.11087523]

>>11087504
>this amount of bootlicking
>on 4chan

>sensitive information secret
sure but he didn't leaked a fighter jet blueprint. and in a democracy doesn't the public has the right to know that his government spy on them 24/7?

[Anonymous No.11087540]

>>11087438
Yeah, should be true to himself and just be a neo-con DESU

[Anonymous No.11087543]

>>11087523
He didn't just leak the fact that the government was collecting information, he leaked thousands of documents, which included operational tactics.

>bootlicking
You hold an opinion shared by 90% of people your age. What a brave maverick

[Anonymous No.11087602]

>>11087543
https://theintercept.com/snowden-sidtoday/4389703-terrorism-or-political-action-the-anti/
>tfw no-global equal terrorism
really activating my almonds how political activism become terrorism as soon as the people stop wasting time in sterile online discussions and talk shows

>He didn't just leak the fact that the government was collecting information, he leaked thousands of documents, which included operational tactics
literally a non issue

>You hold an opinion shared by 90% of people your age. What a brave maverick
you hold your govt stamp approved position. What a brave maverick

[Anonymous No.11087633]

>>11087523
>bootlicking
what's your political stance, famsci?

[Anonymous No.11087643]

>>11087387
> genuine Communists are also imprisoned

Name one in the US or any of Western Europe

[Anonymous No.11087698]

>>11087127
>i am an anarchist
>people should pay more tax
what a fucking hack

[Anonymous No.11087711]

>>11087127
>blown the fuck out
Is his language stuff mostly discredited or still gospel?

[Anonymous No.11087805]

>>11087633
what do you think it is, famsci?

[Anonymous No.11087810]

>>11087805
Something retarded, but i'd like to be proven wrong

[Anonymous No.11087819]

>>11087643
Eugene Debs

[Anonymous No.11087821]

>>11087495
>Capitalists weren't treated like that in Venezuela under Chavez

Chavez was a capitalist

[Anonymous No.11088002]

>>11087819
dude died in 1926, hum

[Anonymous No.11088006]

>>11087382
>people shouldn't be jailed for high treason

[Anonymous No.11088009]

>>11087166
>>11087540
do you guys actually know what a neocon is, because i think you will be surprised to learn it's not a word that means famous people i disagree with

[Anonymous No.11088024]

>>11087382
the guy literally stole information and made his own country look weak, the worst of that being, he didn't even resolve what the information he sold out was saying. That's like stealing money off the bully who took someone elses lunch money and not giving it back.

[Anonymous No.11088045]

>>11087602
>Literally a non-issue

Yes, it's not an issue to have a list of informants, sympathetic tribal leaders, and translators' names out in public so their lives can be unnecessarily put in danger.

Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.11088053]

Why OP? Because you disagree with something you heard someone say about him?

[Anonymous No.11088059]

>>11087212
Chomskys first and foremost concern is the USA meddling in Central and South American politics
Its not the business of the USA who they elect or the policies they implement

[Anonymous No.11088061]

>>11088006
>people should be jailed

[Anonymous No.11088062]

>>11087334
What did he support? The USA not interfering in another country? How dare he!

[Anonymous No.11088068]

>>11087367
they're opposed to America meddling in the Middle East and supporting the Gulf emirates

[Anonymous No.11088079]

>>11088062
The United States inherited from Athens a moral duty to install democracies in every nation

[Anonymous No.11088086]

>>11087390
>points out people fled the bombing
>cites experts and US intelligence reports
>Khmer apologist
Are you stupid or did you play one on television?
>points out bad translations are taken at face value
Tell me of a complicated man
The media was also repeating photos faked in Thailand even after foreign press had confirmed they were fake
Was Chomsky acting as an apologist when he pointed this out?
When Chomsky contacted the people who citing poorly translated works and told them what it really said and the response it didn't matter, was he being an apologist then?
When he compared what was going on with what the USA was supporting in East Timor where a population of just 700,000 was being invaded and subjected to a blood bath in which perhaps a third of population was being slaughtered with American arms and ammunition and diplomatic support and the Western media was silent on this attrocity that could have been easily stopped, was he also acting as an apologist then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3IUU59B6lw

>>11087438
He is not a push over, how is that contrary to being an anarchist?

[Anonymous No.11088089]

>>11087698
Take someone who's a committed revolutionary, thinks we really have to throw out whatever there is of the capitalist system and market system and so on, take someone like that. They're still reformers. All the people you mention are still in favour of developing a decent health care system through government intervention because that's the only option. None of them say "lets not improve lives of people because we'd like to see a revolutionary change." They'd all be in favour for example.
Take say OSHA, the safety and health goals in the workplace, for years its been declining under Bush probably disappeared. But everyone you mentioned would be in favour of strengthening those regulations, they're government regulations.
Because what you're in favour of if you're serious, and the people you mention are, is pressing the institutions to the limits. Seeing what they can achieve. You're not gonna get mass popular movements trying to overthrow the institutions until people recognize they cannot satisfy our needs. Therefore you try to press reform as far as possible within the structure of existing institutions meanwhile developing alternative institutions from within building the future in the present society.
That goes on simultaneously.

[Anonymous No.11088094]

>>11088024
>made his country look weak
>it should be a crime to embarrass people
get a load of this beta

[Anonymous No.11088099]

>>11088094
It's a selfish crime that goes against the population, against individuals who have homes in the country, opening up vantage points for corruption to get in.

[Anonymous No.11088104]

>>11088079
Yeah nah cunt
>when the US supports "democracy"; it is "top-down" forms of democracy in which traditional elites linked to the US remain in power, to quote the leading scholar of "democracy promotion," Thomas Carothers, a former Reagan official who is a strong advocate of the process but who recognizes the reality, unhappily.

[Anonymous No.11088112]

>>11088099
The corruption was already there as a result of the lax standards that allow such misuse and abuse of power to occur
From this surveillance state we then get the permissive environment that allows for deregulation of polluting industries that donate to politicians campaigns and tax cuts for the rich that support election campaigns

[Anonymous No.11088132]

>>11088086
Was he acting as an apologist when he deticated his time writing to publications actively denigrating the testimony of actual witnesses and victims who eacaped?

>I only said that that at the time because my limited evidence indicated they were lying

[Anonymous No.11088139]

>>11087387
>Any real threat to Anglo-Liberal hegemony is crushed by the totalitarian societies of the west.
We shal not tolerate the untolerants

[Anonymous No.11088194]

>>11088112
Perhaps you're right, if the system was hollowed out from the inside, then surely it would be better to announce it and start filling it in, my issue is with treason that would allow in individual not to work in his own means safely.
Police states do have the advantage of securing society but the creation of those biased laws are often so the problem than the enforcers, common sense really but tax cuts for the rich is small talk (and to a point good for keeping money within the country), the issue is responsibility of who enforces the law on the powerful AND corrupt not being taken seriously enough.

[Anonymous No.11088216]

>>11088104
Iraq currently enjoys a thriving democracy.

[Anonymous No.11088223]

>>11087198
That is kind of sad.

[Anonymous No.11088330]

History will redeem the right jew.

[Anonymous No.11088351]

>>11088330
ya i dont get the soros hate, one of my communist college buddies got a summer internship at some program to help single moms in prison or some gay sjw shit and he was bitching the whole time that its a soros funded "initiative" i'm like well i dont see any communist funding aid to single moms in prison and it gave u some shit to put on your law school applications didnt it? let me know when chomsky sets up some charities or pro-social democracy work with all his bookbux

[Anonymous No.11088403]

>>11088330
indeed

[Anonymous No.11088566]

>>11087523
>le socialist bootlicking meme
Why do commies love this insult when they’re literally advocating for authoritarian regimes that imprison, torture, and murder people for having the wrong opinion? It’s like if a neo Nazi called people xenophobes

[Anonymous No.11088572]

>>11088566
Because they honestly believe that if we had a socialist or communist revolution their material condition would improve

[Anonymous No.11088583]

>>11087127
even if he is, that is still more commendable than hiding behind irrefutable voodoo garbage like lacanian hegelian diarrhea

[Anonymous No.11088586]

>>11088566
Because their definition of communism is based off of analysis of Marx's Utopian theories that makes them think they have the best ideology while your definition of communism is based off of analysis of anti-communist propaganda that makes you think you have the best ideology.
You're both fucking retards.

[Anonymous No.11088603]

>>11087255
He seems to support whatever government is most hostile to the US without any further knowledge. Him supporting Cristina Kirschner when she and her band of cronies are being discovered to steal millions (billions?) of dollars during her 8-year rule is an example. Im not sure he even knows this stuff is happening.

[Anonymous No.11088629]

>>11088586
Analysis of anti-communist propaganda or 100+ communist regimes torturing, imprisoning, and murdering people for having the wrong opinion?

[Anonymous No.11088642]

>>11088629
100+ years of*

[Anonymous No.11088644]

>>11088045
>to have a list of informants, sympathetic tribal leaders, and translators' names out in public so their lives can be unnecessarily put in danger.
i'm not a burger so that's literally a non issue from my pov.
instead i learned how the US spied both my country, both the govt and the population aka how the US spied me

>>11088566
>literally enjoying the govt spying on you
please, show me a more fitting term and i'll use it

[Anonymous No.11088653]

>>11088629
>100+ communist regimes torturing, imprisoning, and murdering people for having the wrong opinion?
Kek. That's 5 times the amount of communist regimes that have existed. Also, would the fact that 100's of Liberal regimes have tortured, imprisoned, and murdered people for having the wrong opinion invalidate Liberalism? Because that is something that has actually happened.

[Anonymous No.11088666]

>>11088644
I don’t enjoy the govt spying, but there’s ways around that. In a communist society you’d have the secret police kicking down your door for turning on incognito mode.
>>11088653
Are you saying that Stalin, mao, Castro, etc. did not actually do any of those things?

[Anonymous No.11088671]

>>11088666
No, I'm saying that Liberal (and all other) governments have also done all of those things.

[Anonymous No.11088695]

>>11088666
>I don’t enjoy the govt spying, but there’s ways around that. In a communist society you’d have the secret police kicking down your door for turning on incognito mode.
why would the secret police kick down your door after it's been proved times and times that the population couldn't care less as long as they can afford their credit card backed lifestyle? see facebook last month

[Anonymous No.11088696]

>>11088671
Then why is a communist govt better? Last i checked my chances of living a normal life are better under capitalism

[Anonymous No.11088732]

>>11088696
They're not better but neither are your governments. The point is that people are savage and do horrible things with power regardless of their ideology or intention. Your ill-formed feelings of moral superiority over communism are just justifications for your own societies violence but you're not any different than the ideologues that you hate.

[Anonymous No.11088741]

>stupid dumb LEFTIST gets OWNED with LOGIC by TOMI LAHREN - MUST WATCH [FUNNY]

[Anonymous No.11088786]

>>11088695
My point is if you do care you can make a fuss and protest, and stay off of social media and use tor and stuff to protect your privacy. In communist society this would get you labeled an enemy of the state. Just look at China’s social rating system.
>>11088732
You’re getting into this black and white morality issue. In the real world, where things are complicated why would a communist society be better (or even equal) to capitalism?

[Anonymous No.11088814]

>>11088786
>and stay off of social media and use tor and stuff to protect your privacy.
http://espresso.repubblica.it/inchieste/2016/02/22/news/cosi-la-nsa-spiava-il-governo-di-silvio-berlusconi-1.251440
>I file dettagliavano come in un solo mese, dal 10 dicembre 2012 al 9 gennaio 2013 la Nsa avesse raccolto i metadati di 45.893.570 di telefonate degli italiani
translated: from 10 dec to 9 jan, the NSA gathered the metadata of 45.893.570 italians' phone calls
they were also spying on Berlusconi and other high rank govt officers
>just don't use facebook lmaooo

[Anonymous No.11088829]

>>11088814
You act as if I’m defending this. I’m absolutely not. I think it’s illegal and wrong. Why do you argue any communist govt wouldn’t do these things, when they clearly have and do?

[Anonymous No.11088837]

>>11088786
You've yet to provide any proof that they aren't equal.

[Anonymous No.11088856]

>>11088837
Look at the quality of living in Cuba, the Soviet Union, Cambodia, east Germany, Laos, etc. Compare this to the US, Canada, Japan, Great Britain, etc. Look at Poland under communism vs. free capitalist Poland today. Which countries would you rather live in?

[Anonymous No.11088858]

>>11088829
why do you misrepresent my position? please point were i defended communist regimes.

>In communist society this would get you labeled an enemy of the state. Just look at China’s social rating system.
also, why are you employing the soviet tactic of whataboutism?

[Anonymous No.11088862]

>>11088566

Stalinism =/= communism

[Anonymous No.11088888]

>>11088856
All of those are due to the material and historical conditions of those societies. Plus, I can also cherry pick some examples if you'd like.
For example, The standards of living of the Soviet Union were much higher than those of the early Russian Federation. Does that mean that communism is better than capitalism? No. What about all the capitalist countries in Africa with insanely low standards of living? Does that mean capitalism causes their suffering? No. Why is China a world power while India is not? Is it because Communism is better than Capitalism? No.
All of your arguments are silly.

[Anonymous No.11088922]

>>11088079
Hahaha unbelievable. Something tells me this guy is being serious. Some Americans are beyond deluded.

[Anonymous No.11088969]

>>11088862
Ah yes, the tried and true communist tactic of “those weren’t REAL communism”

[Anonymous No.11088987]

Also if Americans want to be stuck with capitalist vs communist set of politics at least learn the difference between socialism and communism. Finland did pretty well with socialism before americanization in the 90s.

[Anonymous No.11089063]

>>11088888
That doesn’t change the fact that most communist societies suck a lot more than most capitalist societies. We can both cherry pick but the averages don’t lie.

[Anonymous No.11089078]

>>11089063
Do you really think the average life in a capitalist society is all that great when you factor in the multiple billions of 3rd worlders that live in capitalist societies?

[Anonymous No.11089102]

>>11089078
Yes. Show me a decent communist society

[Anonymous No.11089135]

>>11089102
The USSR was literally one of the most powerful empires in Human history and massively improved the material conditions of its average citizen over the 80 years that it lasted.
China is presently the second most powerful nation on the planet and it's becoming more economically and politically powerful every day. Before 1949 it was a backwater nation that hadn't been a serious player on the world stage for 200 years and was 90% constituted of illiterate peasants.

[Anonymous No.11089146]

>>11088969

Is it a stateless, classless society where the workers own the means of production? If no, it isn't communism. You can meme all you want but it remains true.

[Anonymous No.11089165]

>>11089146
Okay so show me a real example. One that didn’t go horribly wrong.
>>11089135
And how was life for the people living there at the time?

[Anonymous No.11089186]

>>11088403
>Defending Kissinger
literally Hillary

[Anonymous No.11089190]

>>11089135
>China is presently the second most powerful nation on the planet and it's becoming more economically and politically powerful every day.
Because they liberalized the economy

[Anonymous No.11089191]

>>11088351
its a rightwing meme to deflect from their cabal of rightwing billionaire loons

[Anonymous No.11089193]

>>11089135
>The USSR was literally one of the most powerful empires
> The USSR was
>was

spotted the issue

[Anonymous No.11089206]

>>11089165
As far as average standard of living goes, better than it was before and in the case of the USSR better than it was after until recently. Of course China is still around but it's better to be Chinese person today than it has ever been to be a Chinese person.

[Anonymous No.11089230]

>>11089193
USSR's problem was that it tried to punch above its weight and spent too much on the military forgetting civil spending

[Anonymous No.11089233]

>>11089190
That's incorrect. China's economy is still over 70% state owned and the rest of their economy sans the special economic zones is heavily regulated.
>>11089193
Yeah, The USSR voluntarily dissolved and then liberalized their economy leading to massive decreases in quality of living, social benefits, and material wealth for the average person. Most Russians think it was a bad idea to break up the USSR now. They were tricked.

[Anonymous No.11089255]

>>11089165

I can't. Actual communism hasn't been achieved yet.

[Anonymous No.11089264]

>>11089206
So it was better? That’s your argument?
Bread lines, secret police, summary executions, famine, propaganda, suppression, 25 years in the gulag for no reason, the govt seizing your property, forcing you to work for pennies, rationing, all while claiming everything was perfect. Sounds like a real workers paradise. But it was BETTER so there’s that. My parents grew up under communism, you should try telling them how great it was.

[Anonymous No.11089288]

>>11089255
The US and every other capitalist govt regulates its financial and banking industries, with anti trust laws, etc. Therefore REAL capitalism has never been achieved. But when it does life will be perfect. That is your argument

[Anonymous No.11089299]

>>11089288

Okay? Capitalism even in its final form still relies on inequality and exploitation. Communism doesn't.

[Anonymous No.11089310]

>>11089264
>Bread lines
A thing in Tsarist Russia
>secret police
Also a thing in Tsarist Russia
>summary executions
Also a thing in Tsarist Russia
>famine
Also a thing in Tsarist Russia
>propaganda
That's just everywhere
>25 years in the gulag for no reason
First there were also massive siberian prison systems in Tsarist Russia. second There was a reason you were sent to the gulag.
>forcing you to work for pennies
You could choose to starve just you did in Tsarist Russia
>rationing
The 2 world wars that happened were the reason for that.
You're blaming communism for the material conditions of early 20th century Russia. Also, I have no reason to believe that your parents grow up under communism.

[Anonymous No.11089312]

>>11089233
>China's economy is still over 70% state owned and the rest of their economy sans the special economic zones is heavily regulated.
Source?

[Anonymous No.11089339]

>>11089310
So if communism improved conditions from tsarist Russia then why were all these things still there? The US had rationing too but where would you rather have lived at the time? Also if I were going to lie I would claim to have lived under communism myself. My parents grew up in communist controlled Poland. But that is impossible to believe right? I am being paid by Wall Street fat cats right?

[Anonymous No.11089356]

>>11089299
When human greed and corruption no longer exist I’ll become a communist.

[Anonymous No.11089379]

>>11087198
Protagoras?

[Anonymous No.11089388]

>>11089356
its more probable that in the end only these things will exist

[Anonymous No.11089389]

i like how he triggers alt-right snowflakes

[Anonymous No.11089399]

>>11089389
He's irrelevant, he isn't triggering anyone

[Anonymous No.11089405]

>>11089146
>Trust me dude, there's something really really valuable at the bottom of the garbage disposal, never mind the fact that every time you reach for it you lose part of your hand.

[Anonymous No.11089415]

>>11089339
But the US didn't have bread lines (except during the great depression), secret police (oh wait never mind they still have the CIA), summary executions, famine, or the Siberian prison system (though the Modern for profit prison system is pretty insane) among its material conditions - hence it not having them later on.
I don't think you're paid opposition. I think you're brainwashed; which makes sense since you literally come from a country with anti-communist laws. You're associating the ideas of Marxism with the atrocities of the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.11089435]

>>11089146
Democratic socialism in Finland came pretty close. Best functioning country in its prime. Had a few eu bankers as a prime minister and started privatizing everything and now the country is on par with Ukraine in corruption and the economy is growing much slower than in pretty much any other eu country except Spain. The education stats the media praises all over are from late 90s and early 2000s

[Anonymous No.11089448]

>>11089415
>Names examples of the US resembling communism
>the problem is that the US isn't communist enough

[Anonymous No.11089457]

>>11087226
His point was made pretty clearly lmao

[Anonymous No.11089469]

>>11089448
No, the issue is that different places and times have different material conditions and political cultures independent of their ideologies. These conditions cause different outcomes in those aforementioned societies.
Also, none of the things you listed (you're the one who listed them first by the way) are inherently communistic. I think you're mixing up communism with general authoritarianism because you have a child's understanding of political science.

[Anonymous No.11089516]

>>11089415
This stuff was so engrained in peoples everyday lives that there’s literally a whole genre of humor about all those things. This does not exist in the US becuase this stuff was not nearly as bad or atrocious in the US.

[Anonymous No.11089533]

>>11089516
Yes, that is exactly my point. The conditions were different.

[Anonymous No.11089557]

>>11089533
So communism was worse. You agree.

[Anonymous No.11089571]

>>11089557
You're retarded

[Anonymous No.11089577]

>>11089356

What is known as "human nature" is entirely dependent on the environment a creature is in. If you're in an environment that encourages greed (fuck you I got mine) and corruption then of course that is what will happen for survival.

Humans are quite selfless and altruistic, though. Unless you're a sociopath but those monsters deserve to be shot against a wall.

[Anonymous No.11089586]

>>11089557
FYI communism never existed. it was always subverted. it's name was appropriated by state fascists and halfwits. Real communism has never been realised.

[Anonymous No.11089623]

>>11089186
>hillary
um no

[Anonymous No.11089640]

>>11089571
T.literal communist

[Anonymous No.11089642]

>>11087127
>Is Chomsky the most blown the fuck out man in history?
Actually no, that would be Bertrand “on a purely statistical basis,
Macmillan [British prime minister] and Kennedy are about fifty times as
wicked as Hitler.” Russel, who in 1962 thought the soviet missiles in Cuba were fake news.

[Anonymous No.11089661]

>>11089640
I'm not a communist. I'm just an honest person.

[Anonymous No.11089667]

>>11089310
Care to tell me about all the great novelists, composers, and painters the soviet union produced anon?

[Anonymous No.11089671]

>>11089667
>composers
you have to be joking lad

[Anonymous No.11089695]

>>11089667
Yes. Bulgakov and Shostakovitch are the two heavy hitters that immediately come to mind. Do you really want me to just list them off?
The implication that you're making is insanely stupid by the way.

[Anonymous No.11089896]

>>11089586
>Real communism has never been realised
Now where have I heard that before

[Anonymous No.11089951]

>>11089667
i bet you're american

[Anonymous No.11089980]

>>11088061
>nothing should be criminalized

[Anonymous No.11090013]

>>11089586
You're right: real, true, pure, complete communism has never been achieved. But the really important question is how are you going to achieve it? How are going to get all people to share the bounty of the harvest, to work different jobs, to work not for profit but for charity, to sacrifice their own needs for the needs of their neighbor? How are you going to do this without inviting a tyrant? Without stripping the people of their voice? Without destroying the very freedom you wish to redeem?

Perhaps you need a religion? One with an all-loving messiah? One which renounces the accumulation of wealth? One which blesses the poor, the meek, the old, the sickly, the dying? One that aims to convert the world not by the sword, but by example? If only such a religion had been conceived. If only the ideals of communism had already been put forward by such a man, who spoke with the people's voice, so that everyone could understand. If only such ideas were known the world over. Certainly no one would reject it. Certainly not you.

[Anonymous No.11090031]

>>11090013
I didn't know Jesus wrote on the material and economic processes of capitalism and on how factory work is alienating.
The more you know!

[Anonymous No.11090075]

>>11089661
But not a realistic person.
>>11089586
This meme again. Then neither has a purely capitalistic system.

[Anonymous No.11090126]

>>11090075
How is stating the fact that the material and historical conditions found within 20th century Russia which caused it to have a lower average standard of living than the US predated the establishment of the USSR, and therefore cannot just be chalked up to "muh ebil gommunism", "unrealistic"?

Seriously, are you guys even capable of arguing against anything that isn't a fucking meme?

[Anonymous No.11090205]

>>11090126
Like I said, the USSR is not the only example. Give an example of communism that worked.

[Anonymous No.11090434]

>>11090205
First, how do you define "worked" because I already said how it worked here >>11089135 . You just keep repeating yourself.

But that's not even the point you brainwashed little mongoloid. You're not interested in having an actual discussion on the historical facts surrounding any of these societies. You're such a utopian ideologue that you can't even concede obvious flaws in your argument like "[insert communist country] was poor before communism". All you can do is repeat the same stale memes because either you're an extremely dishonest orator or that's literally the only framework you can see the world in.
I'm not responding to you anymore except to call you a faggot.

[Anonymous No.11090627]

>>11090434
In Your example of communism worked you admitted there were bread lines, secret police, famine, gulags, etc. Is that really your best example?

[Anonymous No.11090781]

>>11089980
kys

[Anonymous No.11090817]

>>11088403
Kissinger win.

[Anonymous No.11090842]

>>11088061
>people shouldn't be jailed

[Anonymous No.11091192]

>>11087334
According to whom?

[Anonymous No.11091235]

>>11090842
>people can be jailed

[Anonymous No.11091329]

>OMG!! foucault is totally amoral... i am now afraid..

[Anonymous No.11091348]

>>11089310
>second There was a reason you were sent to the gulag.

[Anonymous No.11092880]

>>11089288
>Therefore REAL capitalism has never been achieved.

The reverse is true though. REAL capitalism was a description of the actually existing conditions of 19th century Europe, which became more socialized in response to the criticisms of the communists in order to preserve its structure in the face of them.

[Anonymous No.11092898]

>>11088194
What Edward Snowden did wasn't treasonous though. That's not what treason is, try again son.

[Anonymous No.11092968]

>>11089146
That's Marxism you fucking mong

[Anonymous No.11092988]

>>11089299
Both inequality and exploitation are unironically good things. Fucking faggot boogeyman words.
I do not resent my boss finding innovative ways to render my work time more and more effectual for his benefit. Only parasites do.

[Anonymous No.11092994]

>>11092880
No, if what he means is laissez faire Capitalism then what he said is exactly right

[Anonymous No.11093002]

>>11088603
He supports any socialist regime only to be embarrassed at the end and blaming the US for it.

[Anonymous No.11093044]

>>11089310
>tsarist
>capitalist

its called feudalism

[Anonymous No.11093238]

>>11089577
>What is known as "human nature" is entirely dependent on the environment a creature is in.
>Humans are quite selfless and altruistic, though. Unless you're a sociopath but those monsters deserve to be shot against a wall.
Way to contradict yourself.

[Anonymous No.11093287]

>>11088862
People will desire capitalism because of the promise of gaining 'riches and improving their life by their own hand as a means of self-validation. A communist nation, in order to protect itself from upheaval, will be required to silence opposition.

[Anonymous No.11093855]

>>11093287
missing an orwell quote or reference, other than that it's a 10/10 retard post

[Anonymous No.11094198]

>>11087166
>neocon
but buckley is a fusionist

[Anonymous No.11094206]

>>11088068
so are all enemies political enemies?

[Anonymous No.11094295]

>>11088079
I don't support alqaeda but knowing people like you died on 9/11 is pretty delicious

[Anonymous No.11094320]

>>11091348
t. jordan peterson

[Anonymous No.11094339]

>>11088059
And neither is it America's business to stop the slaughter of Muslims in eastern European countries aye? Everything is imperialism to the man

[Anonymous No.11094349]

>>11089186
he's at least ten times worse

[Anonymous No.11094351]

>>11087166
t. doesn't know what "neocon" means