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Is Nael the best poet of the 21st century?

>> No.11080785

>>11080781
It's no milk and honey

>> No.11080796

So simple yet so complex. How many critical lenses can we apply to this text?

>> No.11080812

>>11080781

This is now a kaur-posting general.

Nael sees himself a tiger
but when
will he recognize
that cages are never destroyed
they only change shape

-rupi kaur

>> No.11080945

>>11080781
Yes
YES

>> No.11080981

I unironically like that poem. Shows that art can sometimes be achieved accidentally or in this case semi-accidentally cause that stupid six year old obviously doesnt get that he just broke down poetry to the bare minimum. This is like that one poem by Ezra Pound, i think it was "Darkness/ like petals on a wet black bough" or something like that. He tried to break down a single impression to the barest minimum while retaining a skeletonised poem form

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>>11080812

>> No.11081005

>>11080981
Agreed it is actually a very nice little poem. Comparing it to rupi kaur is unfair to Nael.

What kind of name is Nael anyway? Irish? That would explain it

>> No.11081006

Post the other one from that collection about the girl who asks her mother if she can see her and the mother says "Yes but I don't want to"

>> No.11081008

>>11080981
same desu

someone post the robot one

>> No.11081011

>>11080989
Can someone shop this to make it look worse?

>> No.11081016

>>11080981
>This is like that one poem by Ezra Pound, i think it was "Darkness/ like petals on a wet black bough"

In a Station of the Metro.

One of my favorite poems.

>> No.11081020

>>11081008
seven-hundred ten
seven-hundred eleven
seven-hundred twelve

>> No.11081025

>>11080796
like 6

maybe 7 at max

>> No.11081030

This is one of the best /lit/ memes and Ill never tire of it

>> No.11081061

>>11080781
>As for Nael’s next move, the promising author has confirmed he is working on a story about a magic tree house
hyped desu

>> No.11081143

OP’s and the haiku are both masterful.

You get the same fearlessness and honest expression in children’s visual art as well. Artists work their whole lives to unshackle themselves to paint as would a child.

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>>11080781
I think Stefany is at a higher level than Nael

>> No.11081208

>>11081030
I'm tired of it tbqh

>> No.11081218

>>11081198
god is that good

>> No.11081233

>>11081198

Unironically impressive for a fucking first grader.

>> No.11081236

>>11081198
tfw to brainlet too understand a 7 year old's poem

>> No.11081240

This is honestly better than any 20th century poet. Noel is going places and I might have to keep an eye out for that name

>> No.11081251

>>11081005
it's arabic

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>>11081008
masterpiece

>> No.11081298

>>11081291
Nathan>Nael
don't @ me

>> No.11081305

This is pretty good. I would say he is on the level of Hart Crane

>> No.11081314

Hey future Nael, how does it feel to see another thread about your poem?

>> No.11081319

>>11080781
Kind of wish I wrote that

>> No.11081325

>>11081314
>implying someone with that much talent is going to waste their time browsing an old american image forum

>> No.11081346

>>11081325
>american image forum
But this is a Bhutanese discography forum

>> No.11081347

>>11081183
kek, saved.

>> No.11081422

>>11081198
>Mom, do you see?
>Yes, but I don't want to
Did fucking Dostoevsky write this?

>> No.11081500

>>11081030
It's not a meme.

>> No.11081505

>>11081030
Its not a meme.We actually love this poem.

>> No.11081571

>>11080781
I remember someone wrote this in French for a section of L'Anomie

>> No.11081574

pleb here, what's a good intro to understand poetry

>> No.11081579

>>11081574
read poetry

>> No.11081586
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>>11081314
>be nael
>20 years from now
>dad died from lung cancer 6 years ago, mom very recently passed away aswell
>gray april day
>cleaning out dead mom's house
>only one box of stuff left
>find a folder in it labeled 'nael - pre school, 2016'
>discover an old poem, apparently part of an anthology
>whatisthis.hypxr
>read it, smile at my innocence, think about my younger self
>memories of mom and dad starts showering me, feels hit me hard as trains
>filled with melancholic nostalgia, decide to try and look the anthology up on the hypernet
>hypergoogle my name, the poem and the anthology
>bunch of random links, go to second page of hypergoogle
>see this weirdly named site, it's an old website, not a hypersite
>rupi kaur [...] 6 year old outperforming [...] great work by nael
>w-what
>click on >>>>/lit/thread/S9539229#
>see my poem
>bunch of anonymous people praising me and my innocence
>lost all ability to detect irony because hyperreality is real
>they're actually analyzing my poem, they liked it
>read posts saying I outperform everyone, great job nael, love the simplicity
>check date: 20 years ago
>wow
>already in a very emotional state, tears now start running down my cheeks
>sit down on the floor, think of parents, my youth and these kind anons
>stay on the floor for a long time
>suddenly hear birds chirping, look out the window
>the sun has fought its way through the clouds, front lawn and street looks beautifully serene bathing in sunlight
>take a deep breath, smile and get up
>put the folder back into the last box, pick it up and exit the house
>get in my hovering car
>as I make a move to start the car, my eyes linger on the folder with the poem again
>feel a sudden immense sense of joy and gratitude
>tears start flowing again, but out of happiness this time
>everything will be alright
>thank you 4chan, I say out loud to myself
>wipe face with my hand, smile and drive away

>> No.11081590

>>11081571
There was a thread a few months ago where people were translating it into various languages.

>> No.11081591
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>>11081579
i dont understand any of it

>> No.11081592

>>11081574
check the wiki

>> No.11081596

>>11081592
i dont mean what are good poems, i want a meta-text about poetry

>> No.11081602

>>11081571
crazy but I actually just read that exact story in my copy of l'anomie a few hours ago because I suddenly remembered it

>> No.11081629

>>11080781
>The tiger
The Self; unrestrained instincual action within all humans waiting behind civility
>He destroyed his cage
The Self is no longer repressed; instinct overpowered the "civilisation" of the person
>Yes
It has happened; The Self is free
>YES
The carnal power within cannot be truly repressed; we are animals after all
>The tiger is out
The Self will never be able to return to how it once was; once free, always free

>> No.11081648

>Yes
>YES
Truly, this is some next level stuff. Unironically, there are many layers to these two statements. Crazy how just changing two letters changes the entire meaning of the word. The juxtaposition (or should I say the parallels) between the two is so interesting.
The only "inprovement" I can think of in this poem is to change "out" to "free" and also to capitalise the word "Tiger"

>> No.11081651

>>11081574
norton's anthology

>> No.11081663

>>11081648
>change "out" to "free" and also to capitalise the word "Tiger"
I disagree fully

>> No.11081666

>>11080781
>/lit/ ironically tries to exalt what is basically just prose and not poetry
why can't anyone be serious for even an instant? its awful

>> No.11081671

>>11081663
The Tiger
He destroyed his cage
Yes
YES
The Tiger is free

>> No.11081677

>>11081671
lol fuck off its not better at all

>> No.11081681

>>11081666
>666
begone yee cursed

>> No.11081687

>>11081677
Ok Nael

>> No.11081695

>>11081687
But he's right. 'Free' carries so many political and philosophical connotations that 'out' does not. 'Out' is simpler, more primal, and more direct.

>> No.11081705

>>11081687
Tiger being capitalized clutters the poem with capitals and detracts from its minimalism. Its also much too heavy-handed and there's no need for it, we get that the tiger symbolizes something. And out is just a much better word choice. You're either not a good poet or not a poet at all. You're simply suggesting things on account of the accessibility of this child's poem. which has given you some unfounded confidence.

>> No.11081709

>>11081695
>political and philosophical connotations
Literally the point of Nael's poem. He discusses the negative impact the modern world has on individuals and how we need to leave it behind us, otherwise we will forever be in the "cage"

>> No.11081711

>>11081709
god shut up, you stink

>> No.11081714

>>11081711
don't talk to god like that

>> No.11081719

>>11081709
>>11081671
You are the biggest pseud this board has seen

>> No.11081731

>>11081719
>he doesn't understand irony

>> No.11081757

>>11081731
>he understands irony better than you do

>> No.11081780

>>11081757
>he doesn't understand irony

>> No.11081892

>>11081586 (You)

>> No.11081911

This is unironically better than anything Joyce or Nabokov wrote. Has Bloom seen this?

>> No.11081927

>>11081198
I refuse to believe a seven year-old wrote this.

>> No.11081941

>>11081927
good because Nael was 6

>> No.11081957

>>11081198
He doesn't understand poetry if he thinks he can break so meter rules. Nael doesn't make a single metrical mistake.

>> No.11081983

>>11081198
Holy shit

>> No.11081993

>>11081927
Adults submit stuff like this all the time to kids' contests and then choose to stay anonymous so that they aren't disqualified

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>>11080781
NYRB is putting out an addition of his work

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>>11081011

>> No.11082260

>>11081629
This but unironically.

>> No.11082263

>>11081671
>changing free to out
Get the fuck off my board you inhuman monster

>> No.11082275

>>11080981
>semi-accidentally cause that stupid six year old obviously doesnt get that he just broke down poetry to the bare minimum.
How dare you imply Nael doesn't know what he's doing. The boy is a fucking genius.

>> No.11082285

>>11081671
no
out adds a dimension to the tiger's freedom
free is too subjective

>> No.11082308

>>11080781
What on earth did Nael mean by this?

>> No.11082317

>>11080981
This, it's a great little poem

>>11081005
I always thought it was Asian, maybe Indian, but the other anon is correct

>> No.11082323

>>11081198

I feel so cold reading this

>> No.11082325

>>11081198
>>11081198
What book is this that has this poem and Nael's?

>> No.11082329

>>11081629
I don't even think if Nael realised this is what it meant but I love this interpretation of it

>> No.11082429

>>11082329
>I don't even think if Nael realised this is what it meant
Fucking retard.

>> No.11082451

>>11082429
Fucking numpty cunt

>> No.11082479

>>11082451
>thinking a child's interesting little poem owes its quality to some shitty sociological interpretation its author admittedly wouldn't have considered
>not understanding the poem's worth is in its aesthetic purity, and that any interpretation is extraneous and merely inspired by it, not intrinsic to it
You're the worst kind of pseud.

>> No.11082512

>>11082479
> implying I don't appreciate the aesthetic quality and innocence of the poem
> implying you can't appreciate an interpretation as well as the original text, whether the original author had that intention or not

You're the worst kind of fucking numpty cunt.

>> No.11082530

>>11082512
>I want do thing
>but I no can do thing because society has laws
>but now I can do thing because I no listen to laws
lmfao, yes, what a brilliantly unique, difficult, and precious interpretation, I greatly appreciate this

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>>11082530

STRAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNN

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>>11082530
>Ugg want do thing
>tribe say Ugg can no do thing
>Ugg no listen tribe
>Ugg free
>tribe shun Ugg
>Ugg no like free now

>> No.11082558

>>11081291
Apparently there are 9 year old post-modernist poets right now

>> No.11082564

>>11082537
>reduced to posting facebook memes and nonsense in all caps
The interpretation is elementary crap any teenage kid could make up on the spot for English class.

>> No.11082570

>>11081648
> change "out" to "free" and also to capitalise the word "Tiger"
How does it feel when a six year old is better at subtlety than you

>> No.11082575

>>11081911
>t.brainlet

>> No.11082602

>>11081586
warmed my heart thank u

>> No.11082605

>>11081648
>change "out" to "free"

Missed the point

>> No.11082609

>>11081709
And it's ridiculous 20th century idealism to think being "out" equals "freedom." The tiger is out of the cage, but he is just as beholden to the demands of a world that doesnt have much room for tigers anyway, especially in the aftermath of one breaking out of a cage.

>> No.11082614

>>11081911
Stop derailing unironic apprecation with your cynicism

>> No.11082664

>>11080981
>Ezra Pound

He actually specifically pointed out that children were capable of doing this.

http://themargins.net/anth/1910-1919/poundvorticism.html

Then he became /pol/ incarnate.

>> No.11082670

>>11082664
only for a time though, he later expressed regret for what he said in his times in Italy i think