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What did he mean by this?

>> No.11075874

>>11075866

"I don't like Thing"

>> No.11075877

>>11075866
Something about how the Irish are impervious to psychoanalysis.

>> No.11075886

>lol Americans are stupid
>w-what do you mean they have the number one economy in the world AND the most powerful military AND their universities dominate the top ten list of best universities?

>> No.11075892

>>11075866
he meant muricans are branless sheep, barely even human.

>> No.11075895

>>11075866
Jealous.

>> No.11075898

he means americans love ideology

>> No.11075921

>>11075866
Always disliked this one because he's trying to argue by contradiction, but uses affirming the consequent. Rocks don't think yet they are. Descartes used P therefore Q, not, P iff Q.

>> No.11076144

>>11075866
>affirming the consequent

>> No.11076153

>>11075921
>>11076144
it's almost as if evola was a brainlet

>> No.11076293

>>11075866
just remember when you see muh-americans-posting here it is coming from evola-type race autists

>> No.11077037

First time I agree with Evola.

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>>11075886
>>11075895
>>11076293

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>>11076144
>>11075921

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>>11077048
Nice argument, I have memes too

>> No.11077068

why do Evola threads always attracted the lowest brows(ers) on 4chan

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>>11075886
>their universities dominate the top ten list of best universities
I don't think they had Buzzfeed back then

>> No.11077079

>>11077068
Because he’s the most forgettable thinker
The unabomber gets more academic recognition than Evola. Can’t even recall if we ever talked about him in class

>> No.11077080

>>11077068
the way your quantifying lowest sounds influenced by Evola's terms in this instance anon unless you're complimenting us
i.e bitchin' or is 'the shit' as 'good' phrases

>> No.11077096

>>11077080
>the way your quantifying lowest sounds influenced by Evola's terms in this instance anon unless you're complimenting us
what

>> No.11077114

>>11077096
the way you're quantifying lowest sounds influenced by Evola's terms in this instance unless you're using it to say we're badass like low riders or something

>> No.11077126

>>11077114
>the way you're quantifying lowest sounds influenced by Evola's terms in this instance unless you're using it to say we're badass like low riders or something
what

>> No.11077129

>>11077062
You're literally proving Evola with this shit. American 'humour' is based around this self-mockery that Americans don't even get. American non-thinking is simply arrogance as a joke, but in reality it's saying 'Holy fuck, we're so stupid.'
The whole point of poking at another country is to pull out some aspect that they would not get, or perhaps even subtly mock your own country along with theirs so that you are brought together. The American 'joke' is the complete inverse of this, all jokes come down to 'heh, they're not Mur'cans.' The 'ironic' aspect is that the joke could only appeal to other Americans; they do not joke, yet they laugh. The over-the-top blustering of the delivery ensures that the irony is forever lost to them.
Just like all of your best political philosophers, all of your top comedians are foreign-born.

>> No.11077133

>>11077126
look are we not bad and are we not bad like Evola's Americans are?

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11077148

Wtf I told my gf I've read Evola and she left me?! Evola was right! What a bitch! She'll submit one day! She'll see! They'll all see!

>> No.11077156

>>11077133
no. I wear trainers and jeans and I don't embrace a culture.

>> No.11077164

>>11077129
>not thinking about a country means not thinking all together
Brainlet

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>>11075886
>economy
a materialized way of life where all a person cares about is buying the next spyware and sugared frappuchino
>military
an apparatus designed to take everything heroic out of war and profit only a certain group of people
>universities
marxism and voluntary indoctrination to keep yourself in line

>> No.11077179

>>11077174
>voluntary indoctrination to keep yourself in line
At first it sounds bad, but isn't that inevitable for a peaceful society to exist?

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>>11075886
t.

>> No.11077486

>>11075886
Hey look, a knee-jerk reaction that relies purely on
>(((standards)))

>> No.11077587

>>11077048
>>11077174
>>11077182
>>11077367
And as always the Evola-lovers only have race autism to fall back on. This is why your boy is a laughingstock.

>> No.11077593

>>11077587
amerimuttism is a spiritual disease , not racial

>> No.11077595

>>11077129
This is so supremely autistic. It has to be copypasta from Reddit.

>> No.11077602

>>11077587
I've never read evola in my life, sad muttoid.

>> No.11077607

>>11077602
The fact that you agree with him then should cause some self-examination.

>> No.11077618

>>11077607
I know not whether he is a great, mediocre or terrible thinker, but it hardly matters whether I find cause for agreement with him on this topic since it doesn't require many brain cells to come to the (right) conclusion that the American humanoid is "puerile and primitive"

>> No.11077631

>>11075866
>Americans are artificial
>>11075886
>Artificial values are held highest by artificial people

So where's the problem?

>> No.11077644

>>11075866
I'm American and this is true 100%

>> No.11077646

Why read Evola when Guenon is the master?

>> No.11077651

>>11077129
>he thinks we're kidding

>> No.11077660

>>11077646
Because Guenon is a real intellectual and does not care about wordly concerns such as race.
Evola appeals to right-wing Larpers who seek a false sense of accomplishment for their birth.
And just like his readers, Evola wasn't coherent with his beliefs.

I wish I had the virgin Evola vs the CHAD Guenon meme with me

>> No.11077669

>>11077660
>real intellectuals don't have worldly concerns
This implication has done more damage to our culture than anything else.

>> No.11077682

>>11077660
But how will we save the White race without tantric sex magic?

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>>11077660
for you

>> No.11077987

i don't know why all you are hating on this quote, it's fundamentally true. There's a reason americans are even more bugmind than asians, it's because we are a society built on the concept of the self made man and just follow what we are told. We like to act as if we are free, but we are the worst when it comes to free thinking

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>>11077660
>false sense of accomplishment for their birth

Of course birth matters, you mutt. Heredity is a pillar of tradition, and otherwise has real biological meaning.

>> No.11078456

>>11075866
He meant that Europeans are chads who take their destiny into their own hands, while americans generally virgins domesticated like pigs.

>> No.11078813

>>11077129
Mutts btfo

>> No.11078824

Come to think of it, the only philosophical school we've produced is pragmatism which aligns exactly with what he's saying.

>> No.11078940

>>11075866
None of this is true anymore.

>> No.11078976

>>11078456
>He meant that Europeans are chads who take their destiny into their own hands
>being raped and murdered by muslims on a daily basis
>destiny
lol if you say so.

>> No.11079610

>>11078940
It's truer than ever now. Look at the Trump phenomenon, suddenly it's a people cult where "traditionalists" thought that a boomer was going to save them from hell.
Or look at our school culture, you really have people thinking that having no culture to speak of is a good thing, and the children just accept it cause we don't have a culture. We are a consumerist nation where we buy what they sell.

>> No.11079629

>>11075866
Americans do not have a bridge between the racial memory/unconscious/oversoul and their own ego so they’re schizophrenic nihilists who can be impressed upon with fantasia and mysterium without much effort, all you have to do is take a pair of tits, something that is autistic and immersive like vidya or GoT style drama, loud fast talk and the threat of being “left out” and you can make them buy, say or do anything. they made hundreds of thousands of people, who all dress, talk and think the same, show up at McDonald’s demanding msg substitute laden carcinogenic dipping sauce for frenchfries

americans are the most revolting creatures to have ever crawled across north america, the mongoloid rapist slaver cannibals who preceded them were in every way more dignified

>> No.11079645

>>11079610
>thinking this site is reflective of the norm
Everyone here is an outcast. We are the excommunicated. Also what are you talking about, America does have a culture. It's not national but rather state centered, so Texans are very different from new yorkers and so on.

>> No.11079662

>>11075886
this is exactly was he referring to
>muh economy
>la creatura only values that which can be measured through money

>> No.11079667

>>11079645
But the thing is almost everyone can become an American, it is bad that we are the outcasts and the excommunicated. The state culture has been dying for some time now, yet the best hope for america still is balkanization
>>11079629
our best chance was as a colony of the europeans

>> No.11079684

>>11079667
I was talking about how the site has outcast you stupid motherfucker, everyone outside the site hates trump
Also the fact that being an american isn't a birthright is good because it solidifies the idea of equal opportunity that the US advertises
I don't know about where you live but state culture is still strong where i live, and balkanization would be fucking retarded in today's economy.

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>>11077057
>dude stop being so anal!

>> No.11079694

>>11079629
sadly the disease has spread all over the world yet la creatura will see nothing wrong with it since they lack self-awareness.

>> No.11079702

>>11079684
>the site has outcasts
4chan is very fucking normal, I just go here for books and memes. I've met many other people in real life that do the same
>equal opportunity that the US advertizes
ok i see you just have shit ideas about society

>> No.11079712

>>11079694
the french and britbongs are just as contemptible and debased if not more so, in specific and irredeemable ways (britcuck police state; french homo-eroticizing of blacks)

>> No.11079715
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Well Evola talks about a dichotomy of a given country. The dichotomy is matter and form., the people or the masses are the "matter", and the state is the "form" that this matter takes on. This is a way that societies have developed in the past, but not America. America is only "matter", it has no "form". The "american dream" is to be free, in an abstract kind of way, free to consume and pursue a burgeois life.

In traditional societies the nobility was the "form" and the common folk was the "matter". It was certainly possible to travel between these classes ( a commoner could become nobility, this is well attested in many sources). So it is with this explanation that Evola says the american mind "lacks characteristic form".

In Evolas terms (which are traditional terms, commonplace before modernity) the burgeois life is not the ends but a means, and then after burgeois life has been established a given society will set new goals, which will manifest in a class of people (a nobility) which gives this society its "form". This is something America has never had. The closest was probably the plantation owners in the south. But compare with Europe which has a long history of noble rulers. Consider also Americas imitation of the Roman Republic, an imitation in the aesthetic sense only, they failed to imitate the metaphysical origin of the Roman state.

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>>11079702
>4chan
>normal
You only come for books and memes, so i guess you haven't stepped foot in /b/ in the "glory" days or /r9k/. This site is far from normal, /lit/ might be the sanest board so you haven't experienced the chaos we have to offer
>ok i see you just have shit ideas about society
It's not about my ideas, it's about what america offers
you don't have to be born in america to be american, so all you need is a citizenship to do anything except be president if you immigrated

>> No.11079724

>>11075866
by "characteristic form" it sounds like he is just referring to a common ancestral history.

>> No.11079732

>>11079724
Men without roots beyond the apes, then.

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>>11079715
America has it's aristocracy – one of self serving, egotistically ambitious, brutal sociopaths so contemptible that a huge chunk of Americans chose to elect a reality TV star just to spite them.

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>>11075921
>he thinks Evola is making some kind of philosophical or mathematical proof
>failing to recognize it's just a comedic zinger

>> No.11079737

>>11075886
Person A is wildly rich. They have a child, person B. Person A dies seconds after willing their fortune to person B. Is the infant, person B, considered some kind of genius by virtue of their inherited wealth? No? It's almost as if those things you list have nothing to do with intelligence.

>> No.11079762

>>11079733
America has rulers, every society has rulers, but please don't abuse the term "aristocracy". The globalists are best at swindling and subversion perhaps. They are not nobles though by any stretch, they seek a burgeois life and not more than that, i think that is clear to everyone.

Acquisition of material wealth is not the end goal for a peasant, nor for a warrior, yet these two classes appear in every society throughout the ages. The peasant has a surplus of food, he seeks calm and peace. The warrior also has a surplus of food from taxation, he seeks a valiant death on the battlefield. The American conception of war is like Evola says: "A war on war". War is only seen as legitimate as a form of policing action against "dictators" who wage war for any reason other than, to end war. "Dictators" are bad, "presidents" are good. Real, spiritual authority is abhorred, or even denied.

>> No.11079769

I enjoy this thread because all of the retards are here instead of ruining every other thread. Have fun /pol/edditors

>> No.11079775

>>11075866
>Dude magic lmao

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>>11077943
>>11077646
Guenon was a retard drunk on meaningless eastern casuistry and mysticism.

>> No.11080026

america is already dead and we are the maggots feasting on a suicidal corpse

>> No.11080078

>>11075866
Evola is such an edge lord. Metaphysics of Sex is a masterpiece though

>> No.11080858

damn this is like an /int/ meme

>> No.11081300

>>11079776
>Be introspective, thoughtful Frenchman born during the height of Victorian Industrial insanity
>See clearly through all this bullshit, instead strive to find the deeper truths of existence that the materialist and religious elite have shunned or reject
>Be so thorough in your conviction that you even attack the other mysticists of your time for being too influenced by pseudo-scientific racial ideas and so on
>Eventually be so enamoured with the beauty of profundity of the deeper aspects of life that you move from spiritually decaying Europe altogether and take part in a legitimate Sufi school in Egypt for the rest of your life
>Die having become one of the most widely-respect mystics and spiritual leaders of your day

>70 years later, some random NEET reads a couple of paragraphs about him online
>>"god this guy was such a tard i bet he knew nothing"

>> No.11081523

>>11081300
this tbqh

Also, anyone the least familiar with Guenon would know he had not the least interest in mysticism, which he explicitly sets out as inferior to metaphysical knowledge. In actuality, mysticism occurs primarily in western thought.

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>>11078976
>being raped and murdered by muslims on a daily basis

Tell me more, my dear mutt friend. How is it going in 56%land?

>> No.11083308

>>11081300
Anyone who parrots Buddhist noise is a deluded and frankly simple.

>> No.11084702

>>11077593
underrated