what is the purest form of art?

[Anonymous No.11048026]

we are infinity but try to limit it through words and symbols that will never capture an infinitesimal part of it.
why, if our feelings are like an endless ocean, do we try to channel them through tiny shot glasses? words will never do justice to what they're trying to describe.
literature is just endless limitations. what is the purest form of art?

[Anonymous No.11048083]

>>11048026
I want to say music.
The first thing we hear is the lullaby of our mother as it is the very first art that instills emotion in us. It makes us feel save. We can't see yet and we can't comprehend anything yet but music is the first thing that makes us feel anything.
I can hear music from any culture and from any part of the world and I can derive meaning from it.

[Anonymous No.11048099]

>>11048083
>>11048026

Music is the right answer, specifically instrumental music or music where the lyrics are incidental.

Literature is the most communicable and natural.

Cinema is the most complex.

All others are wasteman tier. Don't disagree.

[Anonymous No.11048116]

>>11048083
music is the most immediately affecting art, and as you say the most universal as it speaks to something innate and primal in human beings, but i don't think it's the most emotional and definitely not the most intellectual one

[Anonymous No.11048118]

>>11048026
Poetry. All arts attempt to escape their limitations, or media. I'm sorry, but one can do more in his attempt to escape words than in a similar attempt to escape measured noises or mere pigments. Only film really competes, but it's too broken up, and far too external with respect to its explorations. This said, I love all the arts, but poetry most.

[Anonymous No.11048170]

>>11048118
>measured noises
I feel like this doesn't do music enough justice.
The human ear is not at the very front in the animal kingdom performance wise but our brain is very good at interpreting sound.
Basically every human can differentiate between sounds at a very precise level and everyone can feel an octave even if he doesn't really understand it.
All other forms of art have to bring their own set of rules to differentiate from. Music already has its rules ingrained in us and is thus the purest form of art.

>>11048116
>but i don't think it's the most emotional and definitely not the most intellectual one
What would you say is the most emotional one?

[Anonymous No.11048228]

>>11048170
>What would you say is the most emotional one?
films have the biggest effect on me, then literature. music is undeniably emotional, but i don't as frequently feel profoundly and sublimely moved by it

fwiw and to be fair (and reveal my pleb-ness), i should add that i don't listen to classical music, traditional folk music, or jazz, as much as i'd really like

[Anonymous No.11048270]

>>11048026
Music > Visual (painting, sculpture) > Poetry > Photoplays > Photography > Theater > Prose Fiction

[Anonymous No.11048375]

>>11048170
Ok. So far as content is concerned, and with respect to OP's parameters, I'll agree with the designation 'purest.'

[Anonymous No.11048425]

>>11048083
>music
>art

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EOdbPlbKU4

[Anonymous No.11048455]

Every piece of art can be pure. It depends on the piece itself not on the kind. Some people tend to be moved more by music or more by paintings. maybe even all human tend to react more to one kind of art.

I belve purity is overrated and not fulfilling as impurity, on all planes of life.

The term "pure" is too vague. if you meant abstract then probably an empty poem, a silent song, a black film ...etc are the purest. If you meant the most touching then depends on the person reacting to the art. If you meant the most accessible then probably music. If the first that was made in history then probably dick drawings on some wall or throut singing.

[Anonymous No.11048463]

>>11048425
You can shit on everything, why are you surprised music has been shatted on? I can send you bad films bad drawings and bad poems too, everything has been shat on throughout time

[Anonymous No.11048755]

>>11048026
For me, music. No other art form can move me as deeply as the best music can. Have some Mozart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_-qWfgu_Rw

[they cummed in my foams arnold No.11048845]

>>11048026
I've always wondered what it'd be like if we had machines we could hook up to that would let us just see inside other people's minds. How would the form their thoughts take be different than yours? Could you even make them out? Does the indescribable thing in their head make sense to you, could you describe it? Could you see the emotions swimming around in there as a solid thing to be converted into tangible words or pictures or sounds or would it be just as abstract to you as it is to them?

[Anonymous No.11048863]

I'll be the odd ball and say video games
>reddit space
All art tries to make you feel something right? From music to literature it attempts to enact a feeling in you. However in all of these cases there is a separation, the barrier of reality. You can relate and even have a similar experience to what a piece of art is trying to convey but you will never have the exact experience as shown in the piece, unless it's a video game
A video game is all about making the player not just a listener or viewer, but also a participant. You're have a closer bond with a game than any other piece of art because you are the one taking part in it. You can see characters as actual people because you personally are building relationship with them, you can feel the pain of a story because you are actually affected by it
No other piece of art or any type of entertainment medium can have you as personally invested as a game can.
The adventure in the game are your adventures, the losses your losses, the victories your victories, not some random schmuck you're supposed to empathize with.
But what do i know, maybe i'm just a pleb

[Anonymous No.11048884]

>>11048099
>Cinema is the most complex.
Huh?

[Anonymous No.11048893]

>>11048884
Complex as in it has the most moving parts. You have cinematography, sound design, costume, acting, literature, music, architecture and editing all in one form.

[Anonymous No.11048909]

>>11048026
Video games.
>Video games
Hear me out.

It's the final boss of art forms. You combine them all into one and add audience agency and suddenly you have a different experience and different perspective for every individual person that plays. No other art form has as much potential for different interpretations. Everytime someone new picks up the controller they will have a different take and different experience than the last guy, no two experiences will be exactly the same. The same can't be said for painting/music/cinema since they are the same piece every time with no variation. When you let the artgoers look at a Dali piece, they are all chained to the painter's perspective. They may struggle to see what the artist saw since it is the artist in the painting and not them. When you let the onlooker add themselves into the piece, you get a piece that is different not just subjectively, like with traditional art, but objectively, as no two gameplay sessions will look the same.

The only fault of videogames is how hung up it is on both trying to be kids toys and trying to mimic the other arts like film too closely (which is a fault in 21st century film, music, and literature too). Had videogame development tools been given to renaissance masters instead of 21st century hacks we would be discussing why all other art forms pale in comparison to games.

[Anonymous No.11049110]

>>11048026
Word-based (big-C) Conceptual Art is the most pure; the kind that discloses the very theory it relies on. There is no other kind of purity because all other forms try to pretend they are not affected by theory, but it is precisely that which separates art from non-art.

>>11048083
>>11048099
Music isn't even art. Art can't be durational.

>>11048118
Pretty true.

>>11048270
It's actually Visual (incl Photography) > Poetry > Theatre, the rest aren't arts.

>>11048755
There is no connection between art and being 'moved deeply'.

>>11048909
This is a bit silly because you could say all games are art. It doesn't necessarily have to be in video form.

[Anonymous No.11049129]

>>11048026
>we are infinity
stopped reading there

[Anonymous No.11049152]

>>11049110
This is the stupidest, most pretentious post ever written on this board. Literally everything you said was retarded and nonsensical.

[Anonymous No.11049159]

>>11048026
you have low verbal iq and are overreaching

[Anonymous No.11049164]

>>11049152
You're some butthurt audiophile I suppose.

[Anonymous No.11049194]

>>11049164
>Art can't be durational.
Meaningless statement, of course it can, stop being a retard.

>There is no connection between art and being 'moved deeply'.
Except there is, read you're fucking Aristotle and Burke, stop being a retard.

> This is a bit silly because you could say all games are art. It doesn't necessarily have to be in video form.
HURR DURR IF VIDYAGUMS R ART DEN SO IS CHESS LEL. Stop being a retard.

>You're some butthurt audiophile I suppose.
You're being a retard.

[Anonymous No.11049198]

The levels of stupidity in this thread are so absurdly high that they are about to reach a critical point, at which the thread will turn into a hyper-dense black hole that annihilate the entire Solar system.

Burn in hell you faggots

[Anonymous No.11049205]

>>11049110
Terrible post.

[Anonymous No.11049220]

>>11049198
Love you too anon

[Anonymous No.11049227]

>>11049198
Finally, a sane voice.

[Anonymous No.11049231]

>>11048026
Music desu, it's so expressive yet so calculated at the same time

[Anonymous No.11049255]

>>11049110
Appreciating an image or scene and internalising the theory behind it is durational.

[Anonymous No.11049285]

>>11049194
>Meaningless statement, of course it can, stop being a retard.

Not if thought about in a systematic and rigorous way. There is no space in metaphysics for an art that functions by spacing. Art quite literally is timeless.

>Except there is, read you're fucking Aristotle and Burke, stop being a retard.

What a horrifying misstep to argue carefully nuanced philosophy about catharsis in epic poetry and tragedy is about the same goosebumps you get when the bass drops. Or the pain and pleasure of the sublime is the same? Some art tries to 'move deeply', sure, and some art is aesthetic, but it is a mistake to connect the two as fundamentally connected in any way. And you only prove my earlier point that (impure) art relies on exterior theory.

>HURR DURR IF VIDYAGUMS R ART DEN SO IS CHESS LEL

Not really an argument. I don't see why interactivity makes video games a purer art form. All art is interactive to some degree, and does not repeat itself in further viewings.

>You're being a retard.

Go back to Death Grips.

[Anonymous No.11049293]

>>11049110
>Art can't be durational
>It's actually Visual (incl Photography) > Poetry > Theatre, the rest aren't arts

>theatre is art
>but art can't be durational
You must've seen some pretty avantgarde plays that were performed in only one infinitely small moment, you fucktard.

[Anonymous No.11049299]

>>11049255
Not in the way that the derivative signifier effaces itself before the full and present signified. The order of the voice is non-durational and within close proximity to consciousness, the logos, truth, etc., which by their purity can't be durational. Durationality is exteriority.

[Anonymous No.11049310]

>>11049285
So... why should I believe your arbitrary opinions about art?
>>11049299
All this bullshit about exteriority, non-durationality, purity. You're what drives people to pomo.

[Anonymous No.11049311]

>>11049285
>>11049299

ho ho I thought you were trolling before, I know it now. Good job sir.

[Anonymous No.11049314]

>>11049293
Please see
>>11049299

And I've included poetry and theatre by necessity since the importance of (visual) art (from which the term 'art' is derived and principally applied) is established by the connection to poetry/threatre.

[Anonymous No.11049321]

>>11049310
I don't ask you to believe them, and they are far from arbitrary.

>You're what drives people to pomo.

Is it bullshit? Then metaphysics is bullshit, which would really be what drives people to pomo.

[Anonymous No.11049326]

>>11049314
What you are saying lacks meaning, insight and clarity. Please go away and think upon your sins.

[Anonymous No.11049342]

>>11049321
>Then metaphysics is bullshit
Ding ding ding.

[Anonymous No.11049346]

>>11048755
>There is no connection between art and being 'moved deeply'.

What the fuck?

[Anonymous No.11049356]

>>11049342
Well whether you think metaphysics is bullshit or not doesn't mean that the category of art wasn't developed within it and continues to function by it today. Maybe art is bullshit.

[Anonymous No.11049358]

>>11048116
>not the most intellectual one
what is Wagner

[Anonymous No.11049361]

>>11049346
If you devalue the affection of art from being 'moved deeply' to 'gathered sense-data' then yes there is a connection.

[Anonymous No.11049364]

>>11049356
>category of art wasn't developed within it
Ahistorical classicist alert. Brush up on your history of art, then come back to me.

[Anonymous No.11049367]

>>11049342
>metaphysics is bullshit

*ahem*

[Anonymous No.11049374]

>>11049342
>metaphysics is bullshit

*voila*

[Anonymous No.11049389]

>>11048026
>We are infinity
Brainlet

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.11049398]

>>11048026
>if our feelings are like an endless ocean
False premise. Our feelings are actually fairly simple and easily reducible.

[Anonymous No.11049406]

>>11049398
your feelings definitely are

[Anonymous No.11049412]

>>11049364
The distinction between art and non-art (i.e. life) is a philosophical one, therefor a metaphysical one that has been transferred over time to the present day. Art is still venerated in the same way even if its audience, display, politics, techniques, materials, etc. have changed, and even if the avant-garde tried so tirelessly to decompartmentalise art and life (while still being subject to onto-theology..., no wonder they failed and art is the mess it is now)

[Anonymous No.11049413]

>>11049406
Fucking based

[Anonymous No.11049421]

>>11049412
Nobody cares Scruton. Nobody cares.

[Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins !rAl8Mz2mp2 No.11049428]

>>11049406
You're not deep. Your sentiments, which are shared by most other people, have already been deconstructed and analyzed to death in literature.

[Anonymous No.11049436]

Animation
>cartoons? really anon?
hear me out:
We all know painting blows photography out of the water, no question. Photography struggles to be an art at all.
What if I told you that animation was the painting of cinema. Sometimes literally. More expressive than cinema in every way. The only thing holding animation back is the monumental difficulty of producing it. In Loving Vincent, each painting was in itself a quality oil painting, but even then it was shackled to the need to use rotoscoping to coordinate hundreds of painters. Imagine if you could create a movie or a short in which each frame was a oil painting that took hundreds of hours to paint, hundreds of thousands of them, arranged in a narrative structure that aspires to be as perfect. An animation can combine writing, music and art, the ultimate union of sight and sound. It is absolutely the medium with the greatest potential, no question. We have simply not even dared to imagine it's limits.

[Anonymous No.11049459]

>>11049421
Nah I don't care for beauty in art.

[Anonymous No.11049469]

>>11048863
There are maybe, MAYBE 5 video games that even qualify as being art.
And the "gamers" hate them for it

[Anonymous No.11049483]

>>11049469
>maybe, MAYBE 5 video games that even qualify as being art.
one of them better be Fallout: New Vegas

[Anonymous No.11049507]

>>11048863
>maybe

[Anonymous No.11049515]

>>11049459
Name me an artwork you value and tell me why you care for it. Answer quick or I'll fuck your mom.

[Anonymous No.11049615]

>>11048893
Videogames have all that and more.

[Anonymous No.11049627]

>>11049615
The only artistic aspect to video games is the coding. Everything else is design which is centered on the disclosure of that coding, and that design doesn't even have to be good to fulfill its function.

[Anonymous No.11049631]

>>11049483
Wrong. It's a fun game, but it's not artistic.

[Anonymous No.11049641]

>>11048026
Obviously music, anything with language is ultimately limited and can't communicate beauty as purely as music can. Followed by visual art.

[Anonymous No.11049649]

>>11049615
The reason games struggle to be art is because a lot of all those moving parts are pretty independant of eachother. The visual look of the game is no real difference from animation its just been transplanted into an interactive medium. Same with the music and everything else. The sole artistic feature of the game is the game design and the only game ive yet seen do something artistic with that is Brothers.

[Anonymous No.11049654]

>>11048026
>what is the purest form of art?
Thoughts that never escape the mind.

[Anonymous No.11049680]

>>11049641
This is silly. Music is severely limited, even more so than language. You have eight basic notes.

[Anonymous No.11049690]

>>11049469
yeah, and in the past there were probably 5 books that counted as art, 5 songs that counted as art, 5 shows, 5 movies, every medium starts somewhere.

[Anonymous No.11049696]

>>11049654
This is interesting and true depending on whether one thinks art has to be 'produced' or in the very least documented in some way as a condition of being called art. It's even mimetic.

[Anonymous No.11049703]

>>11049680
That's like saying Literature is extremely limited because you only have 26 letters.

[Anonymous No.11049722]

>>11049703
Eight is fewer than 26, but even then, letters aren't pronounced by themselves the same way musical notes are. Syllables are probably a more apt comparison i.e. the way Greeks conceived of 'letters' or in the very least the elements that make up the composition of words. One could draw a parallel between language phrases and music phrases too, which would make the unified whole of the word analogous to the musical note.

[Anonymous No.11049729]

>>11049649
>The reason games struggle to be art

Is because enough time hasn't elapsed yet. Video games are barely 40 years old. In 60-100 years it'll be considered an art.

[Anonymous No.11049737]

>>11049722
>>11049696
Its an absolute terrible comparison and wrong at that.
8 notes just make one octave.

[Anonymous No.11049830]

>>11049722
>Eight is fewer than 26, but even then, letters aren't pronounced by themselves the same way musical notes are.
>what is harmony
>what is polyphony
You are obviously very uneducated and underread. I suggest for a start you explore the philosophical works of Mainländer, you should find his conclusions enlightening.

[Anonymous No.11049837]

>>11049737
And?
>>11049830
Sorry what does the pronunciation of letters have to do with harmony and polyphony?

[Anonymous No.11049865]

>>11049737
>>8 notes just make one octave.
You mean 13 (including the note that completes the octave).

[Anonymous No.11049890]

>>11049837
>letters aren't pronounced by themselves the same way musical notes are

Fucking exactly, musical notes arent 'pronounced' on there own either, they are put in chords or against another instrument, they have timbre, rhythm and so on. You just had your own retarded argument used against you and refuted yourself.are now arguing against your original statement.

[Anonymous No.11050009]

>>11049890
Musical notes can be pronounced on their own though. One note produces a certain sound, regardless of if they are generally used in conjunction with other notes. Letters do not have a phonic quality and they are, by way of comparison, not the most basic phonic substance, which notes are.

[Anonymous No.11050087]

What makes a form of art pure?

[Anonymous No.11050111]

>>11049293

Ok you made me laugh with that avant garde one anon good on you lmao

[Anonymous No.11050121]

Music is a terrible, misguided parody of the Logos. The Logos (from which all intelligence (including human intelligence) is derived from) is communicated as a thing to be seen, not heard. Music is, at the absolute very best, only supplementary to or inspired by intelligence as visionary experience.

[Anonymous No.11050138]

>>11050087
People here seem to think immateriality means purity because of its directness but by the same token that would qualify any oral art as similarly pure to music. Maybe because music is 'abstract' it comes in the guise of transcendence but then speaking in tongues isn't considered an art form. Maybe by way of mathematics it seems rational, but then why do people praise it for its ability to elicit emotions? Art however is distinct from nature by being a mimesis (not necessarily a visual one) of nature, and in this circumstance it is easier and more correct to assume music isn't an art at all.

[Anonymous No.11050175]

>>11050138
Holy shit.
Can you remove some of your ambivalence so I can decide if I want to fuck you or kill you?

[Anonymous No.11050196]

>>11048099
Switch literature for cinema
>also forgetting visual art

[Anonymous No.11050228]

>>11048083
>>11048099
Refer to
>>11050121

[Anonymous No.11050244]

>>11050138
>Art is distinct from nature
No it isn't in what way? It's a reflection of it.

[Anonymous No.11050252]

>>11050121
Is that you Jordan Peterson? Is this me?

[Anonymous No.11050268]

>>11049412
>all philosophy is metaphysics

[Anonymous No.11050296]

>>11050252
I'm pretty sure I've seen Peterson praise music multiple times like the pseud he is.

[Anonymous No.11050307]

>>11050244
Art isn't nature and nature isn't art. Art is quite literally arti-ficial, and by being a reflection of nature it cannot actually be nature.

[Anonymous No.11050320]

>>11050296
>imagine being more retarded than Memerson.
>imagine taking things like the Logos seriously
> imagine being me, wasting my life, talking to you.
> O imagine.

[Anonymous No.11050361]

>>11050320
Where do you think your intelligence or ability to reason comes from?

[Anonymous No.11050363]

>>11050361
Me bran

[Anonymous No.11050376]

>>11050121
>art should communicate Logos because I say so
>Logos is communicated through electromagnetic waves in the 430–770 teraherz frequency range, NOT through mechanical waves in the 20-20k herz frequency range
Please please be bait, this is just too retarded

>>11050244
>It's a reflection of it.
Ok, you were gargling on Plato's fat cock long enough. You can move on to Aristotle now.

[Anonymous No.11050412]

>>11050376
It's not that art should communicate the Logos in the most effective way, but art representing the collective Logos most truly is the purest, as that is OP's question.

[Anonymous No.11050431]

Music and poetry, combined.

[Anonymous No.11050432]

>>11050363
Brain is but the most efficient (that we are aware of) receiver of the collective Logos. Intelligence does not originate within the brain.

[Anonymous No.11050443]

>>11050320
He's right though. Art is an historically determined and ethnocentric term derived from meditations on the logos from the Greeks, the Scholastics, Renaissance humanists, Rousseau, Kant, Hegel, etc., aligning metaphysics to human action and ethics; the use of free will in a deterministic universe. There's no other reason why the grandest works of art, as regulated by the academies, was history painting that depicted moralistic or religious tales, displaying fully the artistic genius -- the wisdom and intuition of the artist -- in handling material, quite literally drawn from nature, in a metaphysically sufficient way to suggest the immaterial. The art that was a more faithful depiction of nature as it could be seen, like still lives or landscape works, were much lower in the hierarchy, thereby disqualifying mechanical copying as a purer or higher art. The onto-theological character of Western art has continued to this day, primarily observed by the function of the gallery or museum -- the secular 'space' of engagement with art. Those white walls aren't quite as invisible as we would like to pretend. And too the ethnocentric collecting and display of non-white voices, experience, narratives, etc., continues, and only somewhat 'justified' by mystifying bourgeois morality that renders all difference subservient to the maintenance of this system.

[Anonymous No.11050499]

>>11050432
Intelligence comes from the Prophet Mahomet who cooked it up in a broth made from some magic beans he stole from Odin and spread across the land from skies as he rode the back of Pegasus, The Big Red Horse.
Our brains act as receptors to this liquid which is seeped in every living object (for all objects are alive, in a sense, for what is life but consistent corporality?) and our art is summoned up from the parallel and harmonious convergence of the liquid and our gray matter.

Check out my dissertation if you want to know more. There's a way to increase your intellect through actually conversing with the broth but you'll have to pay me some money and take a test first.

[Anonymous No.11050504]

>>11050443
> savage bumpkins thought something was True in the past therefore it is true now.

The pseud mantra

[Anonymous No.11050543]

>>11050499
Remove all the romantic imagery (though I still appreciate it) and that is almost exactly what I stated and was implying. I'm not interested in information behind paywalls, but the second half of your post still interests me. Can I get a teaser?

[Anonymous No.11050550]

>>11050504
You'd be a pseud if you thought you could reason yourself out of Western philosophy. There is no other way to conceive of art that does not ultimately fall back into its own history, that which is determined by metaphysics. Even if you believe it is subjective, the conditions of possibility for that allowance are philosophical.

[Anonymous No.11050553]

>>11050504
>Reducing the entire history of the West down to "savage bumpkins"
I can't tell who is pseuding who anymore.

[Anonymous No.11050586]

>>11050543
Yeah sure, if you're interested! Here's an excerpt. Its kinda rough though so bear with XD

Chapter 1: The Known Unknown

Stop being such a pretentious faggot, the Logos is a spook (Stirner, 1899) conjured up by superstitious retards of antiquity. Please kys and return back into the collective unconsciousness where you belong (anon, 2018).

Fin

Now about that money...

[Anonymous No.11050600]

>>11050553
The West was a mistake. It briefly became tolerable thanks to Bacon and Shakespeare but then they dropped the bomb and moot made this hellhole and now its a write-off again.

China's coming back baby!

[Anonymous No.11050626]

>>11050600
What is your problem with Western thought, and why are Shakespeare and Bacon not a part of that problem?

[Anonymous No.11050642]

>>11050626
There's no lucidity.

[Anonymous No.11050654]

>>11050586
Wow, very interesting. Not something worth buying though, if I wanted such grand insight, I'd just ask my 3 year old niece.

Seriously though, I'd love to hear your actual opinion on the origin of intelligence and reason (assuming you even have one).

[Anonymous No.11050678]

>>11050642
I'm don't understand what you mean. Can you explain further?

[Anonymous No.11050709]

>>11050678
Christ, do I have to break it down for you or something? It means what it means. There's no lucidity. How much more clear can you get? Are you OK?

[Anonymous No.11050718]

Just make up new words for everything you cowards. The only limitations are our feeble human minds.

[Anonymous No.11050728]

>>11048083
This

[Anonymous No.11050758]

>>11050709
LUCIDITY
clarity of expression; intelligibility

How does this not apply to western thought with the exception of Shakespeare and Bacon? Ironically enough, your posts all lack lucidity HAHA

[Anonymous No.11050766]

>>11048026
Life itself

[Anonymous No.11050791]

>>11050758
I can't believe you actually googled it.

[Anonymous No.11050801]

>>11050307
Only in the same way that science and models of nature are not nature, as they are merely recreating some aspect of its larger whole. Just as science tries to articulate what happens in nature so does art try to articulate and mimic the emotional / mental effect nature can have on us. Ultimately they are almost the same, and are attempts to capture nature rather than nature itself.

[Anonymous No.11050807]

>>11050654
Your niece wishes you were dead as well?

[Anonymous No.11050923]

>>11050807
No, my point was that the two perspectives are equivalent in merit. Also, you don't wish me dead, you are just being edgy for the lulz.

[Anonymous No.11050932]

>>11050791
It takes 10 seconds to google and copy paste friend. Not that hard to believe (for the average person, dont feel bad though it's not a big deal).

[Anonymous No.11050957]

>>11049110

>art can't be durational

How many books have been lost in the last thousand years, anon? Art isn't art because it lasts, otherwisr no human endeavor could be art. Art is art because i hits on eternal themes, not because it itself in any instance is eternal.

Music is art.

[Anonymous No.11050975]

>>11050923
>>11050932
Just wondering, in all seriousness, are you autistic? I'm not trying to be insulting here, I'm just getting a vibe and was curious.

[Anonymous No.11050984]

>>11050923
>Also, you don't wish me dead

You'd be surprised.

[Anonymous No.11051015]

shadows

[Anonymous No.11051056]

>>11050975
No, I am just being sincere which, from your post, I assume you don't see often. I don't care much if anons lead me on (I understand they are just finding something to do that is fun) but being sincere myself is rewarding enough to merit posting. Basically, my posts might as well be soliloquy. Replies are just a fun bonus no matter if they are sincere or not.

>>11050984
I guess I'm lucky your wishes are just "spooks" so I don't have anything to worry about.

[Anonymous No.11051074]

>>11051056
Sincerity leads to roping on the patio, 100 percent of the time. Steer clear of it.
I'd deffo consult a psych though, a diagnosis might reveal the source of all the trouble you've been having connecting with others. Put your mind at ease.

[Anonymous No.11051082]

>>11051056
> I don't have anything to worry about.

You'd be surprised.

[Anonymous No.11051105]

>>11051074
You are assuming too much friend. If you are referring to DFW, sincerity was not his problem. I'm not sure how most (if not all) of your post relates to what I posted. Seems like you replied to the wrong anon, though I know you didn't.

>>11051082
I thought "spooks" were supposed to be intangible, and thus not real and worth dismissing entirely? At least that's what I gathered from your posts.

[Anonymous No.11051145]

>>11051105
Why are you being so cagey? I'm trying to help you out here. Pull your head out from your ass and get some perspective buddy, or you're gonna end up like Davey boy, dribbling and shitting all over his newly renovated patio floor. I care for you man, you're a little light that shines and I'm rooting for you but you've got to be honest with yourself, for once in your life. You're no Intellectual, you're no Sage. You're just you. Be you, warts and all.

And I'm no spook.

[Anonymous No.11051175]

>>11048026
speech

[Anonymous No.11051197]

>>11051145
Oh, so you are the same person? Impressive reveal at the end of your post. I really have nothing to hide. I reply honestly, as that is all I really can do on this platform without breaking etiquette . Rest assured, I'm fine and functional, but I still appreciate the sentiment of those words (though the intent behind them is questionable). Hopefully we can both leave this thread better persons than when we entered.

[Anonymous No.11051223]

>>11051197
No worries baby. I love you too. Call me when you get out and we'll do something.

[Anonymous No.11051259]

>>11050121
music BTFO

[Anonymous No.11051270]

>>11048026
Music

[Anonymous No.11051420]

>>11048099
This, it's music. Wether it's an isolated tribe with no cultural knowledge, an unborn babe in the womb, or even some non human animals, the sound and rhythm of music never fail to penetrate the soul

https://youtu.be/3T3PtYRIeig

[Anonymous No.11051434]

Why has nobody said architecture yet

[Anonymous No.11051519]

>>11048863
>inb4 Journey, Bioshook

[Anonymous No.11051658]

>>11051434
Because they're all fucking idiots who think music is pure.

[Anonymous No.11051912]

>>11048026
I think it’s sculpture.

Maybe it is a matter of personal taste, but in my opinion, no painting could ever be more beautiful than the Pieta or Bernini’s Rape of Persephone.

Perhaps composing in the classical tradition is a more pure art but I’m not informed on that field. I’m unsure if I would rather be a Bach, a Shakespeare, or a Michelangelo. Written word definitely seems to be much more long lasting since it can be endlessly reproduced and distributed.

[Anonymous No.11051925]

>>11049865
>look mom i know what a chromatic scale is

[Anonymous No.11051926]

>>11051912
When it comes to traditional visual art I think this is right.

Film is more complex but also requires more people. While a visual artist who is painting, drawing, or sculpting is the sole creator, which I feel is important. A film has so many variables and contributors that it can’t have one author.

[Anonymous No.11051933]

>>11048893
>>11048099
Opera is more complex than cinema and arguably the highest form of complex art

though music is the highest pure art form

[Anonymous No.11051959]

Musik

[Anonymous No.11052028]

This question's answer relies solely on what metric you are using to define "art".

If you are saying that art is what brings about the most emotion I would say music. Writing takes too long to interpret and cinema actually isn't impacting as you think it would be (what a movie with no sound and you will l see what I mean).

If you measure art as a "pure form of expression" I would say the answer would be fine art. Fine art is less restricted by the medium it is in. Music is restricted by acoustics, literature confined by words and photography and cinema are confined to a camera lens and effects.

If you say art is "what best naturally conveys one person's thoughts to another person" it would be cinema. We think in images, there is no better way to describe one image with another. I could image a dog in a park and recreate that almost exactly by making a film of it.

If you say art is "the best conveyor of what is means to be human" I would say the answer is literature or poetry. These fields allow you to fully flesh out the psychology of a character. Using the inherent ambiguity of words can actually aid the visualisation of a story.

This is just my opinion. I love all art forms. Prose and Verse have a special place in that I think they are the best art forms to teach you how to live a better life and understand humanity.

[Anonymous No.11052032]

>>11048026
The kind that hasn't been penetrated by man.

[Anonymous No.11052036]

>>11051912
>No painting could ever be more beautiful the Rape of Persephone
I think Persephone would disagree.

[Anonymous No.11052067]

>>11049436
So an animated music video would be the highest artform there is?

[Anonymous No.11052745]

>>11048863
The biggest problem for videogames is that a videogame needs to SALE.

Different than most types of art, where it can be art by their own, without need of exterior approval, good video games can't be just done, they also need to sell, and nowadays that is the main problem, because many games are just foccused in the selling. A good game requires a big team of artists working together, and without a lot of money, a large development time and a good bond between them, is hard for a fine game to appear.

It is much different than a poem or a painting, that can be perfectly done by the hands of a single esculptor.

But I consider many games pure art, and my faithful soul believes that many more wonderful games will come in the near future.

[Anonymous No.11052777]

>>11048863

I completely disagree. I don’t understand video games or gamers and can honestly say i have never finished a game in my life. As a form of art, video games fail. Hence why i can finish a play by Shakespeare or a novel by Dostoevsky but not games. They get boring long before you finish them.

[Anonymous No.11053392]

>>11048026
It's dance. Because it's an universal and timeless form of expression.

[Anonymous No.11053407]

>>11053392
NORMIES ET OUT

[Anonymous No.11053425]

>>11051933
that's fair

[Anonymous No.11053438]

>>11053392
Even the bees and the monkies in the trees
Do it..

[Anonymous No.11053457]

>>11048026

conversation.

[Anonymous No.11053464]

>>11053407
>>11053438
You bunch of plebs, you probably never opened an art theory book in your underage life

[Anonymous No.11053467]

>>11053392
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RatSR9sIM3U
totally

[Anonymous No.11053490]

>>11049469
I'd have to say Journey on the ps3 would have to be in that 5. It's the only game I've come across that shows us a taste of what vidya can do.
For everyone who hasn't heard about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61DZC-60x20

[Anonymous No.11053673]

>>11053490
>walking simulator
Woah.

From this thread, it's official. /lit/ has shit taste.

[Anonymous No.11053678]

Theater and performance art are the most raw forms of art. This is fairly subjective, but to me the relationship you have with actors on a stage is more concrete than any other art form. I think that what Artaud envisioned in the theater of cruelty is something that would cross the line between art and real life.

[Anonymous No.11053689]

>>11053490
>What's your favourite walking simulator? Ah, Dear Esther, of course. Fine choice.

[Anonymous No.11053811]

>>11053490
Super Mario 3 is the pinnacle of both game design and art moulded perfectly into one

[Anonymous No.11053821]

>>11053811
No, it's Zelda desu.

[Anonymous No.11054232]

>>11048026
Language in any form as (similar to this post >>11050121 ) it is the best communicable representation of the Logos that we have.

[Anonymous No.11054298]

>>11053464
Hm. Though alluding to 'Let's fall in Love' I have read Gombrich (more psychology of art, granted) and quite a bit in the way of aesthetics from Longinus on down to Santayana (perhaps his driest, most uncharacteristically boring work is his Aesthetics) and even Rich Wollheim (mercilessly dry as well) but youre right, I guess..

[Anonymous No.11054468]

>>11053392
>art
>expression

"fuck you" - an art piece

[Anonymous No.11054877]

>>11054468

[Anonymous No.11054881]

>>11054877
for you

[Anonymous No.11054887]

>>11054877
Ah yes, a fine photograph by Stieglitz. Good contrast of light and shadow.

[Anonymous No.11054888]

>>11050121
t. tonedeaf

[Anonymous No.11055047]

>>11050121
>he doesn't know that John Coltrane actually succeeded in capturing the Logos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en3YTSViS6s

(this is not a shitpost, I actually think that Coltrane broke into another realm with this shit); see also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MRo-sRmEUY )

[Anonymous No.11055057]

>>11050121
>he doesn't know that John Coltrane succeeded in capturing the Logos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MRo-sRmEUY

(this is not a shitpost, I genuinely believe that Coltrane broke into another realm with this shit)

[Anonymous No.11055130]

>>11049110
Your fairly rarted. Everything is durational.

[Anonymous No.11055153]

>>11049680
You are showing how little you know. Each Hz is a note based on tuning systems, microtonal music is absolutely a thing and has been since the invention of the stringed instrument. Even discounting this, there are really 12 notes straight up. There are different forms of tuning, being ratios or equal temperament. Sound has percussive quality, tone quality and volume/dynamics. Also, each individual harmony hits various notes on the overtone (and undertone) series, and forms ghost pitches and so on.
Of course, this doesn't mean music is the best art form or whatever, and if it were it wouldn't be because of tuning. Its just I got very annoyed. That will be all.

[Anonymous No.11055201]

>>11055130
Metaphysically, no, and it is only by metaphysics that we can legitimise art.

[Anonymous No.11055782]

>>11055201
Who needs to legitimize art?

[Anonymous No.11056952]

>>11048026
dreams