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Anonymous Fri Apr 20 23:31:29 2018 No.11034640 [Reply] [Original]

Jordan Peterson. Within a month of consuming lectures, debates, and reading his self-help book, I've completely shifted my life paradigm. I don't get why people hate this guy. He's clearly helping people. He clearly has a knowledgeable base from which he draws his theories. He is an experienced academic.

And if you're going to call me a brainlet for this view, please don't assume it's because I'm not well-read. I have a degree in philosophy and a long standing interest in literature. Keep the bloviated condescension to a minimum please. Actually tell me why he's no good.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 20 23:32:33 2018 No.11034647 Blonde in the Belly of the Beast is better desu

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 20 23:34:02 2018 No.11034653 >>11034640 He’s a post-modernist railing against post-modernists.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 20 23:36:17 2018 No.11034658 >>11034640 your parents have been telling you everything hes said your entire life

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 20 23:39:45 2018 No.11034669 >>11034658 this statement almost feels like an aphorism to me at this point.

Anonymous Fri Apr 20 23:40:36 2018 No.11034672

>>11034658
To an extent, sure, but that merely scratches the surface. The only way to make someone with an inclination toward "why" (see most nihilists) understand something, is to explain the why. To merely say, CLEAN YOUR ROOM (to use his most popular example) means nothing to me if the reason is "because I said so." JBP takes this platitude and puts it in the context of Order and Chaos; this is something I can understand and relate to, and it also answers the "why" question. This is why he is unique and reaches such a large audience.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 20 23:42:40 2018 No.11034682 >>11034672 very good explanation. one of the reasons why I had a quick phase with peterson

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 20 23:44:06 2018 No.11034687 >>11034682 >quick phase why was it a quick phase?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 20 23:55:32 2018 No.11034722 >>11034687 I needed someone to tell me the things I already knew. He served his purpose and then become irrelevant to me very quickly.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 20 23:58:42 2018 No.11034730 >>11034640 >I have a degree in philosophy and a long standing interest in literature. almost everyone who holds these qualities is an absolute nimrod so this doesn't mean anything to me

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 20 23:59:03 2018 No.11034731 >>11034722 So, if I get you right, once you found meaning, through his clarification, you were able to move on and improve your life. Well, I guess that's the point isn't it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 00:00:08 2018 No.11034736 >>11034730 >Keep the bloviated condescension to a minimum please. Actually tell me why he's no good. Disregarding your anecdote, you're really not addressing the topic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 00:03:10 2018 No.11034744 >>11034640 My dad reads him

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 00:05:16 2018 No.11034747 >>11034731 No, I already had the meaning I was looking for, I just needed someone to repeat the words back to me. I don't really know how to be clearer with what I'm saying, so I apologize.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 00:08:31 2018 No.11034753 >>11034736 you asked for it to be kept to a minimum--the minimum amount of bloviating condescension towards someone who thinks "a degree" and "dude I REALLY like books ok" come together to reliably form anything like familiarity with anything is 100%.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 00:08:46 2018 No.11034754 >>11034747 I guess I was looking for clarification.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 00:09:27 2018 No.11034756 >>11034753 Someone needs to clean their room.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 00:09:50 2018 No.11034758 not literature

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 00:11:43 2018 No.11034761 >>11034753 >>11034756 this guy gets it

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 00:18:11 2018 No.11034780 >>11034756 actually I don't, I did earlier today. Not everyone needs to watch hours of youtube videos of a sad old man talking about metaphysics and dragons to be able to manage the most basic aspects of their life.

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 00:20:45 2018 No.11034790

>>11034780
>Not everyone needs to watch hours of youtube videos of a sad old man talking about metaphysics and dragons to be able to manage the most basic aspects of their life.

So do you think it's moral to patronize people that find his advice helpful even though you have life all figured out?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 00:21:55 2018 No.11034794 >>11034780 Jesus Christ dude I'm kidding lighten up

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 00:27:41 2018 No.11034816 >>11034640 >degree in philosophy >Jordan Peterson shifted my life paradigm Nice bait.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 00:32:38 2018 No.11034830 File: 763 KB, 1200x1671, 1200px-Jean-Jacques_Rousseau_(painted_portrait) George Washington Turn.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11034816 OP here. It's totally not bait. You must not have studied too much philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 00:36:29 2018 No.11034849 "Now Fred's an intellectual, Brings a book to every meal. He likes the deep philosophers, Like Norman Vincent Peale..."

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>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 00:43:57 2018 No.11034879 >>11034849 Einstein was pretty smart He knew his place like bart Say what you should not what you know The smart ones will understand And skate along with you bro

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 00:49:03 2018 No.11034895 >>11034830 A whole degree in philosophy did nothing but someone telling why its good to clean your room was a life changer. You are either autistic, baiting, or didn't have a good enough father figure.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 00:51:38 2018 No.11034908 >>11034895 the philosophy helped, and helped me on my way to understanding, but I did have a shit dad. Have you read Peterson's book though?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 00:52:15 2018 No.11034909 >>11034908 I don't need to. I had a good father figure.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 00:54:46 2018 No.11034918 File: 108 KB, 400x381, 03b.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11034909 >hurr durr I judge books I don't even read man, you are the worst kind of retard

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 00:55:23 2018 No.11034920 >>11034908 Anyways it's not the self help book part of Jordan Peterson that people don't like it's when he uses the kids without father figures to think he is also an expert in Political Science and History.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 00:56:25 2018 No.11034927 >>11034918 Did you read Dianetics?

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 00:59:42 2018 No.11034935

>>11034669
much like everything peterson says, i would hope
>>11034672
whats hes telling you is all very surface level, someone telling you to be diciplined and organized without at some point realizing this yourself, points to an individual being very naive and sheltered from the world they live in

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 01:01:26 2018 No.11034943

>>11034920
He's never claimed he was an expert. And it's perfectly valid for a "non-expert" to form unique perspectives on ideas they've read about if they are logically sound. To date, I have not heard one good solid argument against the fact that he's not a historian or political scientist other than "he's not a historian or political scientist."

>>11034927
No, and I don't have much an opinion on Scientology either way. Though your comparison is clearly a false equivalency. thanks for the kek.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 01:04:17 2018 No.11034956 >>11034849 Billy Joel?

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 01:04:18 2018 No.11034957

>>11034935
>whats hes telling you is all very surface level, someone telling you to be diciplined and organized without at some point realizing this yourself, points to an individual being very naive and sheltered from the world they live in

Why are you complaining about this? Some people need help and guidance. Ironic that you're calling these people naive and sheltered when you can't even see this.

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 01:07:29 2018 No.11034972

>>11034943
>have not heard one good solid argument against the fact that he's not a historian or political scientist
He makes people believe that Cultural Marxism is real and they run the world like Nazi's think about Jews.
>Though your comparison is clearly a false equivalency.
How so?

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 01:13:57 2018 No.11034988

>>11034972
>He makes people believe that Cultural Marxism is real and they run the world like Nazi's think about Jews.
Okay, you clearly haven't read his works. This is laughably reductionist. And you're still not saying anything but "I disagree with his point of view."

>How so?
Scientology is a completely made up religion
Peterson's arguments are logically sound and based on fact even if you might disagree with them.

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 01:18:52 2018 No.11035001

>>11034988
>Okay, you clearly haven't read his works. This is laughably reductionist. And you're still not saying anything but "I disagree with his point of view."
I don't read his works and neither do the 12 year olds in Youtube comments and that's 90% of his fanbase. The lectures are enough to know his opinion.
>Peterson's arguments are logically sound and based on fact even if you might disagree with them.

Cultural Marxism is not based on fact.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 01:23:22 2018 No.11035011 >>11034672 >he takes a platitude and then tells me a whole other load of platitudes He's not fucking Kant, nothing he says is substantiated

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 01:26:10 2018 No.11035016

>>11034943
Different anon here. Peterson isn't a historian or a political scientist, so he's just running his mouth in a sense when he talks about those subjects. I would trust Harold Bloom's opinion on Shakespeare more than Einstein's, for example. I'm sure Einstein might say some interesting things, but nothing notable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 01:26:39 2018 No.11035018 >>11035001 >12-year-olds yup, lots of 12 year olds are thinking about the existentialism and responsibility. totally nailed it. >Cultural Marxism is not based on fact. >Marxism Oh I forgot. History isn't facts. Sorry.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 01:29:37 2018 No.11035025 >>11035011 >nothing he says is substantiated I could say the same for you

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 01:32:05 2018 No.11035037 >>11035016 I mean, this entire board is worthless if we're going to take the stance that "because person X isn't an """expert""" his opinions are worthless." Is that what we're doing here?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 01:32:58 2018 No.11035040 >>11035016 It would depend on how he came to that opinion. What was it that Einstein said about Shakespeare?

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 01:36:16 2018 No.11035055

>>11035018
>yup, lots of 12 year olds are thinking about the existentialism and responsibility. totally nailed it.
Well the stereotype is 12 year olds are the only ones who are into existentialism. You should know this with your philosophy degree. Anyways they start by getting into his room cleaning self help psychology videos. Something that helps at that age and then they branch off to his politics. I mean just look at all the minecraft profile pictures in the comments of his videos.

>Oh I forgot. History isn't facts. Sorry.
Nothing he is saying facts. Cultural Marxism is a conspiracy theory.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 01:38:49 2018 No.11035059 >>11034640 I don't care much for Peterson, but he's at least a net good for brainlets.

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 01:47:30 2018 No.11035078

>>11034640
He's intellectually dishonest in how opposed to conservative values he is yet he downplays it so they'll invite him to talks and podcasts so he can plug his book and patreon. He feeds into a fantastical "sjws taking over the universities" narrative which is hyperbolic at best and outright disingenuous at worst, and thus contributes to the confirmation biases of the anti-intellectual "just get an hvac licence bro you don't need college" rabble. Not to mention he has personally benefited greatly from the academic establishment he so despises, U of T protects him. His greatest merit is boiling Nietzsche and Jung down into self-help drivel. He clearly hasn't read a single work by the postmoderns he wastes so much oxygen criticizing. Frogs and lobsters.

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 01:54:46 2018 No.11035097

>>11034658
I laughed. This is too true.

The people who can be saved had parents that taught them these things, which is why they have good sense to gravitate towards self help figures like Peterson. Then once you delve into his material you remember all the shit you knew before except now you have the motivating force of shame to abide by their teachings. He’s a catalyst for the memory of your parent’s teachings.

That being said, he has interesting and engaging lectures and perspectives on anthropology, psychology and literature.

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:00:09 2018 No.11035122

>>11035097
>The people who can be saved had parents that taught them these things, which is why they have good sense to gravitate towards self help figures like Peterson. Then once you delve into his material you remember all the shit you knew before except now you have the motivating force of shame to abide by their teachings. He’s a catalyst for the memory of your parent’s teachings.

My parents told me these things, offering very little in the way of why I needed to do these things: just do them because it's what normal looks like, just do it bc I said so.

I remember them telling me these things, and that is very different from finding out why (on a deeper level than "bc muh social responsibility") doing those things are important. This is what Peterson does. Try not to conflate the two.

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:01:02 2018 No.11035128

>>11035055
Diff anon, but you know he wrote that book after he was on TV and had a following? Quit bringing up the room cleaning bit like that's how people got interested.

Also please, if you've been to university either you're completely drinking the koolaid or you've at least gotta have picked up on the idealogue shoved down your throat from certain professors. It's really strange that these paid people are the only ones spouting from the rooftops, whereas before Tumblr you never really saw it outside the classroom.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:03:00 2018 No.11035134 >>11035122 This I was always told to clean my room "because I said so". Never ever did my parents elaborate on some importance or philisophical relevance

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:03:51 2018 No.11035139

>>11035078

youre not wrong but its not as bad as youre making it out to be.

my concern is hes telling a noble lie. sure hes a net good, but hes not speaking his truth as he claims all should be doing. he stuck his neck out to save his job, he had no choice really, and got attention for it, and is now doing the best to have the best impact he can have. but frankly, hes arrogant. he might not be a pathological narcissist, but he has his issues, as we all do.

i just dont think he being honest in the true sense of the word. we know he was deeply concerned about nuclear war, enough to still to this fucking day be dominantly eloquent, veritably forcefully plugging anywhere he can a reference to anything at all involving the cold war and his fucking fear at the time.

it follows that hes similarly paranoid about where the milennials are going, all this postmodern marxist rhetoric (as if that itself isnt oxymoronic) and ffs he almost lost his career to it, turned to joe fucking rogan to blow the whistle. he did his best to get people to walk a different path. but hes become successful.

but the way hes doing it. im not saying dont follow some of his core ideas, im saying his core ideas only get you started. and if youre someone who is on a different part of the path to self completion, his ideas smell bad.

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:08:26 2018 No.11035156

>>11035128
>Diff anon, but you know he wrote that book after he was on TV and had a following? Quit bringing up the room cleaning bit like that's how people got interested.
The videos that are popular are his self-help stuff.
>Also please, if you've been to university either you're completely drinking the koolaid or you've at least gotta have picked up on the idealogue shoved down your throat from certain professors. It's really strange that these paid people are the only ones spouting from the rooftops, whereas before Tumblr you never really saw it outside the classroom.
My liberal professor likes to bring up his liberals opinions means that he is apart of the Cultural Marxist clan trying to bring down western culture. Although if I'm an economist and my professor starts talking about the free market that means nothing.

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:10:03 2018 No.11035160

>>11035037
No I'm saying that person X's opinion is less valuable because they aren't an expert. My opinion on on Chaucer is less valuable than my Medieval lit professor's even though I've done some cursory research and written 30 or so pages. Peterson's opinion is less valuable. My opinion on political science and history is probably as valid as his desu.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:11:22 2018 No.11035166 >>11035040 It's an example. Just because a person is good in one field doesn't necessarily mean that will translate into another field. It's why people don't flock to him for his opinion on Dostoyevsky or the Bible, or at least shouldn't.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:12:37 2018 No.11035173 >>11035156 all of his stuff is self-help stuff excepting the gender bender stuff (arguably THIS is his most popular stuff). He's a clinical psychologist and researcher.

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:13:07 2018 No.11035176

>>11035139
>all this postmodern marxist rhetoric and ffs he almost lost his career to it
it was ten students talking to him. people seriously misrepresent the scale. it's always the students. He's slipping his audience the slow poisonous fallacy that since the students are like this they must have got it from somewhere, and that somewhere must be the evil academic elite (minus petey of course academics are awful you can trust this guy on it he's an academic but not like the others promise)

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:14:58 2018 No.11035186 >>11035122 >>11035134 >lessons only come through discourse I shiggy’d.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:15:35 2018 No.11035191 >>11035176 specious argument. how do you know they aren't getting it from the profs?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:16:46 2018 No.11035195 >>11035191 go on tumblr. the proliferation of alternate pronouns didn't come from writing a paper on boring academics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:17:03 2018 No.11035197 >>11035186 wht r u talking about faggot

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:18:31 2018 No.11035203 >>11035197 Nothing a brainlet would understand ;)

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:19:02 2018 No.11035206 >>11035195 Sure, it could have stemmed from tumblr but that doesn't mean that the profs aren't now proliferating and supporting the idea of gender pronouns.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:19:29 2018 No.11035211 File: 221 KB, 2048x1536, dwarfs casting long shadows.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >le lobster man

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:20:56 2018 No.11035219 >>11035203 no I see your gay argument, I just don't know why you're using equally gay terms like "shiggy" to bolster your gay argument

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:21:13 2018 No.11035222 >>11034658 You're wrong. That is why he's popular. A lot of guys growing up nowadays had a passive or absent father figure and Peterson fills that hole.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:25:36 2018 No.11035233 >>11034640 he forces people to look at all the ways theyre fucking up and they hate it.

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:25:53 2018 No.11035234

>>11035206
Your former admission confirms that a marxist conspiracy has nothing to do with it, and the latter is an entirely unsupportable claim.

Anecdotally, none of my time in lower and upper tier schools was any of this even remotely going on. The closest thing was a literature professor briefly mentioning the difficulty some have with the rapes in Ovid, which he then went on to dismiss. It was only ever the students and they were always a vocal minority.

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:26:10 2018 No.11035235

Peterson is harmless and if anything, he is a good role model/parental figure for those in need. Sure he plays on the SJW thing, but it's real and playing on it 'more than one should' (whatever that means) doesn't do any harm either. No one's claiming he's a revolutionary philosopher, or the Messiah.
All the hate here just stems from conceited hipster contrarians. Then you have green haired tumblristas and their feminist dance theory professors who are dependant on their tuition money who also criticise him for other reasons.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:29:21 2018 No.11035244 >>11034640 >I have a degree in philosophy I hope for your sake this isn’t true

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:30:51 2018 No.11035250

>>11035234
You've fundamentally misunderstood his argument. He likens SJW culture to Marxist systems ie in the vein of Stalin, Mao etc. He is afraid of the consequences that may arise from the current culture of SJWism. He doesn't actually believe there is a "conspiracy."

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:31:57 2018 No.11035255 File: 119 KB, 702x768, 1521432100520.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11035244 back to /sci/ ultra STEMfag

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:32:00 2018 No.11035256
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>>11034640

I am way more interested in his interpretations of the bible and his Jungian world-view. I am inspired by his fight against blind "rationalism", and his ability to articulate metaphysical points of view extremely clearly.

His only problem is he really does a lot of conformation bias. But I think he has addressed a lot of that.

The whole getting your life together stuff should be clear enough to anybody who is semi-intelligent. But I guess he hammers it home for people looking for a positive influence in their life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:36:03 2018 No.11035275 >>11035234 >the latter is an entirely unsupportable claim. so is >>11035195 You're just assuming that this is where the large-scale controversy comes from.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:40:15 2018 No.11035296 >>11034658 Your parents tell you to do it for their sake; Peterson tells you to do it for your own. There's a major difference between the two.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:41:30 2018 No.11035304 >>11035222 It is OK to call them black people.

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 02:43:34 2018 No.11035316

>>11035250
That's because it stemmed from an argument about legislation. But not only is it a slippery slope to think every piece of legislation is potentially precipitous to millions of dead bodies, it is also outright dishonest to draw equivocation with the ideology itself. People want to hear SJWs are bad because they see protests and see them as an annoyance, and when they see a guy saying they aren't wrong, that the universities are propaganda institutes literally brainwashing people, and we need to stop them by denying them civil legislation otherwise you get stalin, that's just christmas for their confirmation bias. The question about the legislation, who benefits from the legislation? if it's the people in power, that's dictatorship, that's dead bodies. If it's the 10 trannies in the neighborhood then literally how is stalin going to happen?
>>11035275
memes son

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 03:56:10 2018 No.11035561 >>11034640 He got btfo on Bill Maher desu.

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:02:21 2018 No.11035580

>>11035316
It's always the people in power. 10 trannies is merely a premise, the point is to construct a power distributing apparatus that'd allow them to "help the LGBTQIA+" or whatever. Helping the trannies may or may not be a worthy deed, but as soon as this apparatus is constructed, it'd use its power to justify its existence and to satisfy those in control, and that leads to dead bodies ultimately.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:07:26 2018 No.11035594 >>11035256 What are the books on his metaphysical view?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:11:06 2018 No.11035598 >>11034640 when did peterson threads make a comeback? i thought we had overcome this phase

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:12:08 2018 No.11035606 >>11034640 My only objection to Peterson is that his philosophy is entirely materialistic. However, there are lots of people whose resistance to any kind of idealistic thought needs to be broken down, something Peterson helped me fix personally.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:14:08 2018 No.11035611 >>11034647 sounds nasty

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:15:10 2018 No.11035615 >>11034658 this, except your parents were probably already spooked by progressivism and didn't, maybe your grandma did

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:15:45 2018 No.11035618 >>11034672 JFC, you didn't know why you should clean your room before daddy Peterson told you? Nasty fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:15:54 2018 No.11035619 >>11035598 Peterson isn't the sort of thinker people aren't going to "get over" for a long time. He could end up being the gateway to the spiritual life for our whole generation.

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:16:08 2018 No.11035621

>>11035316
I don't know, man. I'm from South America and you at first think these things are harmless and suddenly you're drowning in shit. What the left does is to push for a particular mindset through specific policies that may seem reasonable by themselves but are part of a bigger narrative that is very destructive in the long run. I don't know, man. I'm just saying you shouldn't take for granted whatever stability your country may have.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:17:37 2018 No.11035625 File: 14 KB, 480x360, moldbug2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] isn't he just moldbug for brainlets?

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:20:25 2018 No.11035627
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>>11035561
did Maher vs Peterson happen already? i expect Maher to destroy him like he ended Milo's career, it's where all trendy conservatives go to die when they have finished their life cycle

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:20:50 2018 No.11035629

>>11035598
They never left. The mods just started doing their job and deleting all the right wing scum threads. They must be asleep now. There's even a fucking Sowell thread in the catalog now. Fuck this place. Just a few hours unmoderated and it goes to shit instantly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:21:37 2018 No.11035634 >>11035619 he is a liberal, there's no spirituality there, just more disintegration clothed in traditional garments

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:22:50 2018 No.11035639 >>11035629 Sowell wrote books at least, even though i have no idea what he wrote about beyond being a "based black man" for conservatives and getting paraded around to make a point

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:25:46 2018 No.11035642 >>11035598 They are not likely to read more books, so the discussion continues.

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:27:58 2018 No.11035645

>>11035627
Happened, but Peterson kept tight lipped about controversies and got Maher to like him, I don't know it Peterson has dirt, but I think he knew better than to find himself an enemy whose enemies mysteriously become compromised in the public sphere.

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:29:56 2018 No.11035649

>>11035621
You're a fucking disgrace. I wish I lived in a country that had the moral integrity not to jump at the whim of some imperialist nation. In a dark age of alienation and neoliberalism South America has remained as a light of hope showing the world the left is still alive and well. Antirevolutionary scum like you doesn't deserve what you have.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:30:06 2018 No.11035650 >>11035645 i guess it's good for him that Peterson knows which cocks to wrap his lips around then

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:30:22 2018 No.11035651 >>11035629 why are you upset mate? plenty of room for both sides of the political spectrum here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:31:18 2018 No.11035654 >>11035649 t. western progressive that wouldn't survive a day in "light of hope"-countries

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:31:45 2018 No.11035655 >>11035649 This is embarrassing to read. Reminds me of my past teenage self.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:33:45 2018 No.11035656 >>11035634 I have since become aware of Peterson's reductionism and all that post-enlightenment crud, but I got the important info from him.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:34:57 2018 No.11035660 >>11035649 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=788G-KQp9Ms

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:37:01 2018 No.11035666
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>>11034640
He pisses me off when he cucks on the JQ and says "race is only skin colour" but I understand he has to say that nonsense or else he wouldnt have a career. That aside, he is an important philosopher and is really effective at turning absolute shitlibs away from Jewish mind control.

His philsophy on how to live life and what it all means is very good if you can get past the political gymnastics. His best video was the recent one in Australia. So much perfect content in one talk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4NijLf3M-A

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:37:23 2018 No.11035668 File: 1.82 MB, 250x188, takealookatthisshit.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11035649 The first world coddling just radiates from this post by the kilo-sievert

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:37:54 2018 No.11035670 >>11035195 >he doesn't know about Spivak pronouns and their precursors

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:38:31 2018 No.11035671 >>11035666 >important philosopher peterson is not a philosopher. not even close he's an academic psychologist famous for his cultural commentary

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:39:09 2018 No.11035676

There's a reason why he's called "the stupid man's thinking person", although that phrase misses the point: he's a a philosopher for the weak. His ψυχαγωγία is meaningful only for those Plato would call "the manufacturers" or something similar. If you feel a bronze soul is a true realization of your human being, feel free to listen to Peterson as much as you'd like. It will be helpful. But if you feel as if you may become just and reach the highest a human can, become a δαιμόν, he is an obstacle.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:39:48 2018 No.11035679 We hate him because of his drones, who constantly ask why we hate him. Pile he is just retelling Jung

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:43:39 2018 No.11035692
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>>11035679
Most of those threads are bait to get faggots like you to throw a fit in public. Be honest, he's extremely effective at changing and converting people from Marxist group think. He primes people to become racially and historically aware which is the foundation of Nationalism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:46:01 2018 No.11035696 >>11035692 no, he primes people to watch ben shapiro compilations on youtube and listen to sam harris podcasts

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:48:37 2018 No.11035703

>>11035692
>Nationalism
Stop picking snippets of people's discourse so that they align with your camp. He's closer to a classical liberal with a conservative tint, in the English sense of the word.. Not too long ago, he would've been completely uncontroversial. Rare breed nowadays.

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:51:48 2018 No.11035709

>>11035676
>The stupid man's thinking person
>ψυχαγωγία

I know where you're coming from, but it took a moment, my Greek is very poor. Plato is going to come off as too old-school to fit in with Peterson's existentialist style. I know that you are talking about "Socrates amongst the manufacturers" from the Apology, but for a lot of people something like Plato's world of forms is inconceivable in this day and age.

Interesting thought, shows how far we have declined.

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:56:41 2018 No.11035718

>>11035627

>Maher to destroy him

Lol, Maher is an edgelord who likes just about anyone who counts as politically incorrect, he just draws the line at pedophilia.

>>11035645

Maher had a boner when Peterson was talking about how parents need to discipline their kids more.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:58:10 2018 No.11035724 >>11035645 >>11035718 started watching, but i had to turn it off when that one random old D guy started grandstanding about how kids are right about everything, 420 smoke weed everyday, and anybody about 40 should just die already

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 04:59:58 2018 No.11035725 >>11034640 JBP is a good person doing good work. That is pretty well indisputable. But is he "correct", a la proffering informed opinions that most often best accord with the most probable reality? That is another matter entirely.

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 05:00:27 2018 No.11035728
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>>11035696
>>11035703
You small brains don't get it. He doesn't need to say anything pro Nationalism or pro White etc. If he did he wouldnt be mainstream and so popular thus effective to the masses. Instead he is bringing up Leftist/Marxist/Jewish atrocities that the edjewcation system and Marxist media networks have always covered up. This alone drives people to the our way and as they look into Communist Russia they will come across NatSoc media like Dr William Pierce etc.

Low energy Shapiro and Sam Harris (both Jews), don't have enough depth to sustain a free thinkers hunger for knowledge. They'll hear some racial IQ topics that imply natural selection and begin questioning multiculturalism. The rest does itself.

If people stop at that, at least they're no longer radical leftist traitors. They're decent people who are aware of the Marxist propaganda.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 05:04:16 2018 No.11035743 >>11035629 Let's hope the mods wake up then so they delete this shitty thread.

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 05:08:00 2018 No.11035758

>>11035728
>some opinions intersect with those of people with other political leanings (eg: nationalists), therefore he is a Nationalist.

Nigger, you dumb. Yes, some of his views might be used by various groups for their agendas, but his goal certainly isn't to "prime people to become racially and historically aware which is the foundation of nationalism".

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 05:10:27 2018 No.11035766 >>11035724 I know right? That guy was so full of shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 05:31:41 2018 No.11035820 >>11035649 Is this real?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 05:32:17 2018 No.11035823 File: 219 KB, 1209x707, 1518512596720.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11035758 I didn't say he is a Nationalist. I said he doesn't need to be but he is a perfect tool or bridge towards Nationalism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 05:42:59 2018 No.11035850 >>11035823 Not if you listen to him integrally he's not. Certainly not for your brand of "white nationalism".

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 05:48:03 2018 No.11035861 >>11034653 Fpbp

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 05:50:10 2018 No.11035865
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>>11035850
LOL you dense fool. I'M NOT SAYING HE'S A NATIONALIST. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?!

He is simply a one way bridge bringing people from the Marxist left closer to Nationism, even if he only brings them halfway. He has literally destroyed the popularity of Communism/Leftism.

4chan is so full of small brains its a waste of time honestly. So much more productive to read books and when youre online to study or listen to an interesing podcast etc and then get offline without any social interation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 05:55:50 2018 No.11035880 >>11034640 Ex alcoholic virtue signalling is-ought fallacy looking antidepressant munching brainwashing boys with daddy issues conspiracy theory loving nigger. Hope this helped.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 06:01:53 2018 No.11035896 >>11035865 And I'm saying he's not as much of a bridge as you think he is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 06:07:07 2018 No.11035911 Is needing to keep your room clean pathological? Is the excessive desire for order the origin of totalitarian politics?

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 06:09:42 2018 No.11035918
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>>11034640

>clearly helping people

how is he helping people exactly? by saying "clean up your room"?
half of the time he just espouses nonsense he read in a book
jordan peterson probably needs more help than you do

>watches disney movies and acts like they are philosophically profound
>cries like a bitch over trivial shit
>openly admitted he takes ssris
>justifies his religious retardation with non-arguments

jordan peterson fan boys are males with daddy issues

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 06:12:07 2018 No.11035924 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvBm0ZUfe7I&t=5s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUkiFxBVpZM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIB05YeMiW8 i'll just post these hear

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 06:20:02 2018 No.11035942

I don't hate him, I just don't need him because I have a father who actually talked to me about important things and is well read on a wide variety of subjects. Peterson is literally just for young men who didn't talk to their fathers about art, women, philosophy, politics and psychology. I was lucky enough to have that since day one.

Can't imagine what it must be to have a father who just gives commands and goes to work.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 06:20:26 2018 No.11035945 >>11035896 he is a bridge once people discover that the liberalism he is selling is an empty ideology that can't stand for itself anymore, just like Peterson has showed them how atheism is the same

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 06:20:30 2018 No.11035947 >>11035924 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfkR9eRXlYI here's another one

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 06:21:29 2018 No.11035950 >>11035918 he is an atheist, the religious stuff is just to unsuccessfully try to flavoring his liberalism

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 21 06:31:12 2018 No.11035970 jordan peterson told me to pet a cat. what great advice! there is no way i couldn't have come up with that advice on my own. i have an iq of 60

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>>11034640
He's alright, but he has a bit of a blind spot when it comes to collective identity. Also throws around terms like "neo-marxist" and "postmodernism" a bit too much.

Anonymous Sat Apr 21 06:38:05 2018 No.11035982

>>11035945
You seem very uppity mate, but like I said, if you listen to him integrally you'd realise that he is in direct opposition to white nationalism and less so, nationalism in itself. As far as atheism goes, he's done well to take fedoras off of 16 year old atheists. It's just that 16 year old christians have started wearing them now. Not his fault. He also won't defend and endorse making the metaphysical leap without which you cannot call yourself a Christian. He's on his own religious path of discovery. Also, Christians are loyal to the Church which is an international communion. A Christian has more in common and would rather break bread with a Christian Gabonian slum dweller, than your white nationalist tribe.

So no, not much of a bridge. Not more than Sam Harris is a bridge towards eugenics and white nationalism.

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