THE LEFTIST PROPAGANDA AGAINST NIETZSCHE

[Anonymous No.11028729]

I use "leftist" loosely but whenever you see anyone speak on Nietzsche in the past ten years, they are constantly attempting to convince the reader of how the Nazi's and the right as a whole "misinterpret" Nietzsche. Nietzsche philosophy is so purely Hierarchical, Instinctual and anti Egalitarian. Is there any serious person on /lit/ who disagrees with this?

[Anonymous No.11028733]

>>>/his/

[Anonymous No.11028737]

>>11028729
>in the past ten years
An American, I presume?

[Anonymous No.11028741]

>its another /pol/ thread

[Anonymous No.11028744]

>>11028729
>Is there any serious person on /lit/ who disagrees with this?
Yeah, probably most of the actual Christians (churchgoing Christians, not Memerson "Christians ".)

[Anonymous No.11028745]

>>11028729
>thinking in left and right
you should probably read nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.11028760]

>>11028745
This is why I said loosely, because evidently I am against materialism, etc, etc. I should have said Liberal in the more precise sense of the word. The Liberal Democratic Hegemony.

[Anonymous No.11028769]

>>11028737
I guess since Walter Kaufmann, I should have said 50 years.

[Anonymous No.11028777]

>>11028760
>28760▶
>>>11028745 (You)
>This is why I said loosely, because evident
>against against against against
>i'm afraid of something that is why i need a personal army
do you think i am your mother and i will hold your hand while you read nietzsche? don't be obtuse

[Anonymous No.11028794]

>>11028777
Nigga, chill with the semantics, I am just interested if someone has a different perspective on his philosophy.

[Anonymous No.11028797]

>>11028777
Or is this too banal for you /lit/ people.

[Anonymous No.11028803]

>>11028794
Nietzsche does. He thinks you're weak scum like the weak scum you fight. Nobody gives a shit, hope you get beaten up and hard while fighting whatever monsters you waste your pathetic wait until death so you might understand Nietzsche. I have no further curiosity in your life, stop acting like the world is your mother and owes you hugs for being a whiny bitch. Fuck off and read Nietzsche or crawl back into your mother's cunt like your wormy rhetoric of weakness suggests you would really prefer to do.

[Anonymous No.11028806]

>>11028729
They did though
Nietzsche's philosophy is focused on the individual, not a party. If it's a party then it just becomes a herd morality. Each should strive for self improvement and excellence under their own banners, not under the guise of nation, god, or race

[Anonymous No.11028811]

>/pol/ forgets /lit/ read nietzsche
Untermenschen

[Anonymous No.11028814]

>>11028803
Your mad online hahaha, you are weak.

[Anonymous No.11028819]

>>11028769
Refer to the pic I posted and read his book on Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.11028823]

>>11028814
>someone says i'm scum they must be angry
You are scum. Read Nietzsche or get back in the steaming pile of cultural shit that squabbles for power off its fellow idiots. Slime back amongst the journalists and culture vultures and vegan bleeding hearts and sports teams.

[Anonymous No.11028836]

>>11028806
But he constantly talks of nobler races. Evidently he contradicts himself in some sense, but I feel speak far more on the aristocratic group, or race of men needing to be birthed into greatness.

"There is only nobility of birth, only nobility of blood. When one speaks of "aristocrats of the spirit," reasons are usually not lacking for concealing something. As is well known, it is a favorite term among ambitious Jews. For spirit alone does not make noble. Rather, there must be something to ennoble the spirit. What then is required? Blood. "

[Anonymous No.11028848]

>>11028729
His being an imperialist racialist does not necessitate being a Nazi Germanic supremacist. That is all there is to say. We can go into how little he cared for nation or party politics but its pointless if you have not read him thoroughly and are only interested in GM’s thesis. His work on morals, and on epistemology go together and the latter is not entirely compatible with Nazi epistemology which is biological-objectivist oriented and effectively a propaganda campaign waged against the besieged population

[Anonymous No.11028850]

>>11028823
I agree, all of those are tentacles of the Cathedral of Liberalism and I oppose them. I am confused as to why you are angry.

[Anonymous No.11028856]

>>11028836
what passage is this from? im just curious as to the context, it looks vaguely familiar.

[Anonymous No.11028865]

>>11028850
>tentacles of the Cathedral
The Synagogue, you clown.

[Anonymous No.11028866]

>>11028850
You fight the shit like every other useless molecule of shit in that pile. You are no different to the monsters you fight. You are the sweetcorn to their weetabix in the mass of shit that is the arena you chose to spend your time "defeating". You live in a world where someone larger than you is going to squash you, and that is because you are bug, denouncing the spiderweb and flyswatters as unnatural.

[Anonymous No.11028867]

>>11028848
Yes, evidently he is not 100% congruent with Nazi ideology. I was just saying as a whole I struggle to see how liberals are at all able to agree with him, other then the "individualism" and the hatred of christianity, (which I always saw that hatred from Nietzsche being due to the egalitarianism inherent within christianity.)

[Anonymous No.11028869]

>>11028806
Not OP, but this right here is one the tensions I struggle with when discussing N. with people who disavow and deny any connections between Fascism and his thought. It is true N. exalted the individual and sought to strike down false idols, but how does this come to mean there shouldn't be any kind of 'idol' at all? N. isn't an 'amoralist,' he's an 'a-Moralist' with a capital-M. In other words, his beloved Napoleon propagated the French Revolution and Enlightenment across Europe and Beethoven too believed in 'liberte, egalite, fraternite,' Caesar and Napoleon were both Emperors, true, but both had some spirit of populism within their movements and beliefs. How is that much different than Hitler and his German nationalism (Yes, N. hated German nationalism, but only because he believed in a larger pan-Europeanism and had beefs with specific German thoughts -- and not he utterly detested the idea of a State or state ideology for the masses)?

[Anonymous No.11028874]

>>11028856
The Will to Power, Sec. 942

[Anonymous No.11028878]

>>11028836
I don't think it means a race thing
It's more of "Only certain men are born great" like Napoleon and other leaders. Not some supreme race
Also i think Nietzsche has respect for the jews in a way
>>11028856
Will of Power

[Anonymous No.11028885]

>People quoting the will to power
How many times do I have to tell you retards this? Nietzsche never wrote a book called "the will to power", it's a bunch of fragments and quotes put together with no philological criteria that exists only in anglo countries.

[Anonymous No.11028887]

>>11028803
haha fucking based man you sure blew him the frick out XD

[Anonymous No.11028888]

>>11028869
German 1920s-45 Fascists got his sister's edit of his works (Women are great now, we should totally let them write books which control our collective consciousness now, eh, /pol/?) There is a connection, and it's his sister, who used also like to get paid to leave people see him when he was suffering from a brain disease for kicks and pin money.
He thought German nationalism weak because it fear a minority of Jews, which is a confession of German impotence and their deserving a lower place on the order if a Jew can beat them, especially since the Jew would have to take on a couple Germans at once to be above them in the pecking order.
That did not make the female edit of his works for some reason.

[Anonymous No.11028890]

>>11028869
Exactly, Hitler did much the same that Napolean did, in expanding his power, and conquering nations around them. It is naturally in the same vein. I think Nietzsche just wanted man to have a sense of individualism but within an aristocratic society. (much like Hellenic society)

[Anonymous No.11028892]

You're projecting your own shit on other people because you lack philosophical training.

[Anonymous No.11028896]

>>11028867
Jews, not "liberals" or "the left," used Nietzsche to promote two notions important to jewish subversion of whites and white society:
1) the "God is dead" line to attack the church and divide the populace, and
2) the nihilistic undercurrents they would in the latter half of the 20th century weave into Marxism and postmodernism.

[Anonymous No.11028899]

>>11028878
Thats why I used an excerpt, not the whole book. He wrote that excerpt and yes, I agree he did not mean biological race, more the spirit of a great race.

[Anonymous No.11028901]

>>11028885
>the obligatory "ignore The Will to Power" post

But seriously, just because it was unpublished doesn't mean it's useless, and the people who complain about his sister editing the work make it sound like she wrote some of it herself. Personally, I, along with Heidegger and I think N. himself, consider it the most important 'work.' It's simultaneously his most fundamental and practical, at least in regards to applying his work on a sociopolitical level.

[Anonymous No.11028902]

>>11028888
Why wouldnt German nationalists see Jews as their enemies?

[Anonymous No.11028907]

>>11028896
Hey, I dont disagree with this, I just did not want people to freak out over saying that. Evidently Jews are the creators and pushers of Slave Morality.

[Anonymous No.11028909]

>>11028865
convenient blaming everything on one person when White europeans had been setting up the Cathedral since the late 1800’s but you know thinking is for Jews and accusing is for Germanics
>>11028867
N hated Idealism, and Liberals don’t read Nietzsche, you mean leftists and post-modernists, who again are more interested in his morals and epistemology than his politics or critiques of social order. I agree, of course he supported a caste based pan-european empire with Aryan whites at the top, he also specifically calls for the annihilation of weak types, but he is speaking of all weak types, including the white volk, who he loathed and went on about, castigating and dismissing as being barbarous, domesticated and weak spirited. his master race could have easily been German-Jews or Spaniards or Italians, he only vaguely alludes to his wish for the Italians and French to birth this movement, and seems to view the Germans as disappointing, though provisions hope for them to pick up the torch. The issue would arise with his having to suffer Volkish nationalism. The disgusting plebeian, faggotry of the MAGA movement was unpleasant for most reactionaries (monarchists, like N) and I wonder seriously if he wouldn’t have supported the Hindenburg faction over Hitler until
the end and then quietly remained quiescent and been sidelined by the regime. Its also worth mentioning how fucking old he would have been. he died in his 50’s in ‘00, he would’ve been 80+ years old and psychotic beyond belief at that stage. Its all questionable, i think there’s some merit, but the matter of fact way that Nazis, who, in their writings, are insufferable spiritual midgets and collectivist cowards, claim N would have adored Hitler. I do not think he would have minded the expulsion of the Jews, I do feel he would have looked down on Rosenberg and Goebbels for being disgusting apes.

[Anonymous No.11028912]

>>11028896
>being this much of a retard
Jews are your new idol I see. I think perhaps replacing him with the Christian God of Schopenhauer might be better for you because right now you're acting like Jew under the Egyptians. Perhaps it is a race memory, that you now are "oppressed" by a "morally inferior" group of people who like headdresses and S&M wall drawings and painting themselves primary colours and wearing beards as females. You don't have to build the pyramid if you don't want to, Moishe.

[Anonymous No.11028913]

>>11028902
Exactly, where the Tutsi's "scared" of the Hutu's. No they understood two different tribes cannot thrive within the same nation. Differing value system within one nation will always lead to conflict.

[Anonymous No.11028914]

>>11028869
I'm pretty sure it's safe to safe that any group containing more than one person is an individual
Nietzsche may have had a respect for Hitler but he still would have hated him not only for being anti-semetic, a German nationalist, but also because of the fact that he was not at all encouraging individual pursuit, and instead had an indoctrination program for children
>>11028899
well he said the aristocratic spirit, and how it's in your blood
It's basically some anime tier shit about how only a select few are able to actually become a true ubermensh, but you'll never if you're one unless you try

[Anonymous No.11028920]

>>11028914
Isn't*

[Anonymous No.11028921]

>>11028902
Because what the fuck are the Jews going to do that I should be scared of? I don't think they're going to do anything more than any other person to me, which is jack shit. Stop living your life based around other people, it makes you weak and needy and girly.

[Anonymous No.11028926]

>>11028921
why are you such a sophistic faggot

[Anonymous No.11028929]

>>11028909
>White europeans had been setting up the Cathedral
There is no "cathedral." That is a term used by a jew to divert attention away from other jews.

[Anonymous No.11028933]

>>11028913
>not scared
>just kills shit because they think they'll "thrive"
Do you go round hacking up pets or live in a hut or something? They feared for their resources. If they didn't they'd be trying to give them away to stupid people like swampland in Florida.

[Anonymous No.11028934]

>>11028921
"I don't think they're going to do anything more than any other person to me"
Hahaha, "everyone is an individual, forget history and human tribal identities" Cmon dude, this is the most egalitarian shit ever.

[Anonymous No.11028936]

>>11028912
>calls others retards
>proceeds to write "failure" the Post

[Anonymous No.11028938]

>>11028926
>only sophists aren't afraid of Jews
Guess I'll be a sophist then

[Anonymous No.11028941]

>>11028888
But that's my point, that Nietzsche isn't chastising the idea of a nation or peoplehood in its entirety, but only the German version of it.

>>11028914
Nietzsche isn't advocating for complete individualism, though, but a hierarchy with some few great individuals above the larger masses. Hell, N. criticizes the modern form of individualism in his critiques on democracy, anarchism, and the empowerment of the masses in general (which is where one of the true discrepancies between him and the Fascists lie, but that's a whole other thing and not as incompatible as it may appear). Or in other words, complete individualism and mass nationalism both keep great individuals down, but at least the fascists had some form of hierarchy in its roots.

[Anonymous No.11028944]

>>11028934
>muh reparations for what the SJW said to me
no, ask someone else, beggar.

[Anonymous No.11028945]

>>11028890
>It is naturally in the same vein.
Mais non ! Not at all Napoleon became Emperor to save la republique, just like Ceasar, citizen rights weren't discarded in favour of muh racialism like with the german retard.

[Anonymous No.11028956]

>>11028941
>But that's my point, that Nietzsche isn't chastising the idea of a nation or peoplehood in its entirety, but only the German version of it.
Because that section is about the German nation. He also writes about how all kinds of nationalism and duty is basically being shit and unlucky at life disguised as "motherly love". Really they're just seeking something more pathetic than themselves and making it up since it doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.11028961]

>>11028945
citizens rights were not curtailed much at all other then jews, (but that was the point). Additionally, citizens rights are not my primary concern...

[Anonymous No.11028963]

>>11028941
I'm not that read up on fascism, but from what i can tell from history the occupied countries were kept down by the fascists. He would disagree with that type of practice

[Anonymous No.11028967]

>>11028956
Most people are the herd and most will stay the herd. Normal men need nationalism, it gives them purpose. Only few are above this, and its their duty to lead that nation and give men purpose.

[Anonymous No.11028975]

>>11028967
Now that's just your own opinion

[Anonymous No.11028978]

>>11028936
>hasn't read Nietzsche or Schopenhauer
Have a trigger warning since you know what those are, non-Nietzsche reader. That's pale in comparison to things you don't know the bombast of yet follow sheepishly along to thinking that the birds of prey don't love you.

[Anonymous No.11028983]

>>11028909
How did Nietzsche hate Idealism?

[Anonymous No.11028987]

>>11028975
Fair enough

[Anonymous No.11028990]

>>11028967
>wanting to be normal
Well accomplished. I guess all you have to do now is wait for death.
>duty
No thanks I'm cool just doing my own thing, I don't need to put my head on a plate for you.

[Anonymous No.11028991]

>>11028902
the imication is that only exhausted or weakened races have to worry about subversion or rivalry in such a miniscule group. Jews came closest to harming Germany during the failed revolutions which were viciously suppressed by all political factions including the social democrats. If you read N’s work, he constantly talks about people attributing causality to effects. Christianity is an effect not a cause, anti-semitism is the effect of weakness, Jews are the effect of a vulnerable, degraded race, the post-viking/gothic germanics.
>>11028929
but its an accurate term, Jews didn’t invent the Enlightenment or social liberalism, French-Anglos did
>>11028941
no he very explicitly rips into the idea of The State in Zarathustra, the Reich in Bismarck and the Kaiser’s Germany, and the implied 3rd Reich, as well as basically anything outside of a monarchy. I’ll reiterate, N supported a pan-european Napoleonic-Alexandrian monarch, not a despotic people’s champion, he wanted Augustus, not Julius Caesar, he wanted Alexander or Cesare Borgia, not Lycurgus or some other racial all-father. A “people” is the herd, who he viewed with the disdain of the Shatriyas. He saw them as in need of constant oppression, culling and poverty and viewed any volkish movements as debased, mewling, whining slave morality. The idea of a people, aside from the nobility, had no meaning to him. And he further wished for a new nobility of all the best extant types of human which would make war on the herd, this concept of a separate sub-species, he literally calls them a race set aside, is not new, and while he is mostly referring to Germans, French and Italians its implied he means Jews as well, but obviously not Polish shtetl jews or jewish bankers. Your German-American or Irish-American peasant ancestors are not included, and he wished death upon them. Ive already told you, he would have looked the other way for the Holocaust but would not have supported the volkish, moblike violence that surrounded it. Everything to do with obnoxious communal activity he abhorred. His love of laughter, hunting parties and being boisterous came from an appreciation of aristocratic and not volkish life. Read anti-education for more of a view of what kind of fraternity it was he craved. Its represented again in the last part of Zarathustra. Im aware he hated Jews and Socialists and don’t attempt to deny this. You are however baiting and switching this with other ideas you repeatedly, in will to power, in BGE, in Twilight, in Gay Science and Zarathustra disavowed and denigrated entirely. Its like trying to pull Idealism out of his Will.

[Anonymous No.11028992]

>>11028901
Nigger, when Heidegger wrote that stuff the corrected edition hadn't even been published. If you gotta appeal to authority at least do it correctly.

[Anonymous No.11029005]

>>11028990
>No thanks I'm cool just doing my own thing
*returns to shitposting*

[Anonymous No.11029006]

>>11028983
Genealogy of Morals and the Anti-Christ are polemics against Idealism, you should read them then return in a few days and bump the thread, since OP is a civil Fascist, ill check for it in the catalogue. im not going to teach you something you should already know.

Hint: Otherworld implies this one is unreal, all nihilism is born from being unable to accept the world of appearances as the real world, which has no substantiality beyond Will-to-Power, the need to exert pure force onto opposition and to acquire power
>>11028961
this is laughable 100,000 German civilians were murdered and about 10,000 ethnic germans, not homosexual or communist were sent to death camps for pissing off the regime, please fuck off, this isn’t /pol/ we don’t slob on police state penis at the drop of a hat

[Anonymous No.11029011]

>>11028990
Atomized individual "doing his own thing" is not a powerful stance.

[Anonymous No.11029014]

>>11028983
Waiting for a reward in heaven is idotic. Calling yourself holy because you're a loser is idiotic. Thinking about a world that ain't real isn't cool according to Nietzsche.

But you can definietly fit some Idealism into this if you try, I think.

[Anonymous No.11029015]

>>11029005
>everything must be shitposting except for me because i made a valuable contribution right mommy
I feel like I should have posted a big titted bitch for you to be following me around like a lap dog yapping.

[Anonymous No.11029017]

>>11029006
Sounds quite Nietzschean to me

[Anonymous No.11029018]

>>11029011
I've not had any complaints. Try whining less.

[Anonymous No.11029021]

>>11029011
we freest of spirits; do you think this implies wage cucking and posting Jew facts on /pol/ while you’re at the welding job you got memed into? or owning libs on twitter? unreal. you think banding together with largely peasant stock 100 iq ugly whites with no education or substantial thoughts is ennobled? if you do not even agree with his ideas then why try to claim him? you don’t see that we deserve him more? that we were the ones he was calling and not you, not Hitler, not a worm like Rosenberg or worse Goering?

[Anonymous No.11029028]

>>11028991
If they are weak what are they supposed to do then?

[Anonymous No.11029031]

>>11029021
Goering was okay. He was just in it for the drugs army life and train sets. He'd say yes to the demon.

[Anonymous No.11029034]

>>11029017
yes because he’s taking an individualist statement about different species of spirits and using it, in a modified form, to push a volkish total war against Eastern europe and a phantom Jewish menace. I can take a Hitler speech, change things, and then use it to support war against Palestinians on behalf of Zionism. Would you say its quite Hitlerite and that Hitler supported Zionism? Or would you call me a sophistic charlatan propagandist demagogue? interesting N was speaking to his free spirits and Hitler is polemicizing on a national stage for a group of workers and soldiers (plebs). Again, what does this have to do with what he said specifically?

[Anonymous No.11029040]

>>11029021
Im not a nazi LARPer, I do not attempt to explain Nietzsche's work to Plebian retarded trump supporters. I want an aristocratic race who puts down others.

[Anonymous No.11029047]

>>11028956
His views are, as with everything, more nuanced than that, though. It's the same with how he criticizes Christianity, but also laments the Death of God. Nationalism is simply the new idol for the masses for now.

>>11028963
Exploitation was an essential part of his worldview.

>>11028991
This is the reply I was waiting for. Yes, the empowerment and enfranchisement of the masses in Fascism and Nazism is something N. was against, but like I said in my first post, those ideologies are still the closest in the modern era to N.'s thought. As in, in the modern era where the Revolt of the Masses as overcome everywhere and political legitimacy is no longer based on the divine rights of kings or the subordination of greater men, but a democratized world where every voice is 'equal,' then what other political reality other than the synthesis that is Fascism? I'm not saying Hitler and Mussolini are perfect -- from what I've read, both were deeply resentful and brutish men, nothing like the noble Napoleon or Caesar -- but as far as their movements are concerned they definitely have true influences of Nietzsche.

>>11028992
So?

[Anonymous No.11029051]

>>11029028
die
>>11029031
i understand what his motives were, he didn’t desire warfare or even the Holocaust, purely an egoist in the right place with a good background and social standing. He was swine, no one denies this, and there are believable rumors he was a cross-dresser, and a pedo-faggot. Goebbels too, another degenerate, and Himmler. Hitler is a robust soldier-politician, insane, ressentiment filled hysteric but a stronger spirit than the others to be sure. Hesse, an opportunistic, verminous coward. Is it a coincidence their whole leadership was of a weakened, lesser breed?

[Anonymous No.11029054]

>>11029047
>Exploitation was an essential part of his worldview.
You got a citation for that?

[Anonymous No.11029055]

>>11029015
doing your own thing is mostly throwing tantrums on the internet huh

[Anonymous No.11029060]

>>11029047
>Nationalism is simply the new idol for the masses for now
No, it's still what the chapter called The New Idol claimed it was. It's just another symptom, any cult will do it's all the same pile of shitsquabbling peasants arguing who gets to take the lump of shit from the top of the pile home.

[Anonymous No.11029068]

>>11029060
What time has fighting for your tribe, empire, nation, not been a staple of life?

[Anonymous No.11029070]

>>11029047
>So?
So the text had yet to be expurgated from his sister's shit.

[Anonymous No.11029074]

>>11029054

259. To refrain mutually from injury, from violence, from exploitation, and put one's will on a par with that of others: this may result in a certain rough sense in good conduct among individuals when the necessary conditions are given (namely, the actual similarity of the individuals in amount of force and degree of worth, and their co-relation within one organization). As soon, however, as one wished to take this principle more generally, and if possible even as the FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE OF SOCIETY, it would immediately disclose what it really is--namely, a Will to the DENIAL of life, a principle of dissolution and decay. Here one must think profoundly to the very basis and resist all sentimental weakness: life itself is ESSENTIALLY appropriation, injury, conquest of the strange and weak, suppression, severity, obtrusion of peculiar forms, incorporation, and at the least, putting it mildest, exploitation;--but why should one for ever use precisely these words on which for ages a disparaging purpose has been stamped? Even the organization within which, as was previously supposed, the individuals treat each other as equal--it takes place in every healthy aristocracy--must itself, if it be a living and not a dying organization, do all that towards other bodies, which the individuals within it refrain from doing to each other it will have to be the incarnated Will to Power, it will endeavour to grow, to gain ground, attract to itself and acquire ascendancy-- not owing to any morality or immorality, but because it LIVES, and because life IS precisely Will to Power. On no point, however, is the ordinary consciousness of Europeans more unwilling to be corrected than on this matter, people now rave everywhere, even under the guise of science, about coming conditions of society in which "the exploiting character" is to be absent--that sounds to my ears as if they promised to invent a mode of life which should refrain from all organic functions. "Exploitation" does not belong to a depraved, or imperfect and primitive society it belongs to the nature of the living being as a primary organic function, it is a consequence of the intrinsic Will to Power, which is precisely the Will to Life--Granting that as a theory this is a novelty--as a reality it is the FUNDAMENTAL FACT of all history let us be so far honest towards ourselves!

--- BGE, ch. 9

>>11029060
What's your alternative? What do you suppose N. would have the masses do if not be led by false idols controlled by the noble and great men?

[Anonymous No.11029075]

>>11029060
Ernst Junger speaks on the fact that dying for a purpose is the most human thing one can do. Even if the entity you are dying for is not 100% congruent with your ideals. The act of sacrifice completes man.

[Anonymous No.11029076]

>>11029051
These types of jewish narratives are for reddit, please keep that stuff off of here until you're more knowledgeable about the jewish question.

[Anonymous No.11029079]

>>11029051
Why not remove the others instead of dying?

[Anonymous No.11029082]

>>11029055
>yfw when I paraphrased Nietzsche prose throughout
So, Nietzsche was throwing tantrums. Pity he only wrote books not the internet and you're allergic to those on a books board on the internet. If he had internet, him calling you a weakling might only be stored in an internet archive somewhere instead of describing your behaviour in libraries across the globe. Gonna need more than an EMP and the location of the server to get rid of the argument against being you.

[Anonymous No.11029086]

>>11029074
Exactly, why wouldnt you exploit those under you. THE WEAK SHOULD FEAR THE STRONG

[Anonymous No.11029091]

>>11029068
It could be hat collecting in a particular colour and shape, or any other cult, "nationalism" is as meaningful as "Christianity" as is "the New York Times" in that pile of believers.

[Anonymous No.11029093]

>>11029070
Like I said in a previous post, the effects of her editing have been enormously overstated. She did not insert fraudulent aphorisms. Anything Heidegger read and incorporated into his interpretation, N. actually wrote. Whether he meant to publish it is another story, but that's still a far cry from "the book Heidegger read was useless."

[Anonymous No.11029094]

>>11029054
its in every single major work that deals with morality anon, there is no disputing this
>>11029068
you seem to not understand that Alexander conquered Greece, Anatolia, Persia and Bactria because he could, not because Macedonians demanded it, nearly all his allies and companions wanted no part in the campaigns, he had to bribe them using a pirate economy.
>>11029074
submit to dominant types and accept death
>>11029076
weak
>>11029079
you are already deformed, you can’t undo the process. The first book of The Will to Power discussed why saving degenerated species is an idiotic idea. Decadence brings about death. Its inevitable, Spengler saw this too and is famous for his cynicism. Go ahead and remove them, they’re only there because you were work and still will be when they’re gone. The great noon-tide is not for the diseased, hence he excluded himself, we’re just a bridge, most of will have to die.

[Anonymous No.11029096]

>>11029051
Hitler is a perfect example of slave morality when he complained to his friend in Wien, about how stupid dancing is, and he never wants to learn to dance.

[Anonymous No.11029104]

>>11029075
What's with you faggots and quoting authors while using this aura of magniloquence? Is it part of your tribalistic mentality?
Wanting to die for something is a juvenile fantasy, actual sacrifice is staying alive and living up to your ideals day by day.

[Anonymous No.11029110]

>>11028729
>Nietzche' was hierarchical and and anti-egalitarian
Yes
>Nietzche' hated Jews and loved nationalism
No

[Anonymous No.11029113]

>>11029074
>What's your alternative? What do you suppose N. would have the masses do if not be led by false idols controlled by the noble and great men?
>why would creating a nation of last men be a problem
you're trying to create a stable system. it's an impossible task, and even if you tried, it would run its course like every other empire and god under the sun. The alternative is living life so you would live it over again. If you want to surround yourself with 1000:1 stupid masses:you ratios, you go right ahead.

[Anonymous No.11029115]

>>11029075
>drone bees leaving the hive to die in winter are really important nobles, not slaves
uhhuh

[Anonymous No.11029117]

>>11029094
Regardless, Alexander was Macedonia's spirit and men fought for him. They were given purpose by his command, the herd needs command.

[Anonymous No.11029119]

>>11029113
What? The masses will exist regardless.

[Anonymous No.11029130]

>>11029094
I'm a card-carrying last man, and we're holding you strong guys hostage, if you try anything you're done and the herd revolution begins.

[Anonymous No.11029131]

>>11029115
I am not saying I am joining the US army and dying in Syria. I am saying in a normal world, one dying for his nation is good enough for the Herd. For men like Napolean and Alexander, living past that and commanding the herd is their role. I think N. would agree.

[Anonymous No.11029137]

>>11029119
I don't have to exist for them though. I have no duty to lead them. I'm sure they'll be fine without me. Or not. The human race isn't going to end because I don't get guillotined in return for service to a "nation"/"party"/"higher power". Seems like a shitty deal and one you'd only take if you believed in nonsense. If I'm going to believe in nonsense, I'd prefer it be something less boring and which involves less twitter and internet activism, thanks.

[Anonymous No.11029140]

>>11029096
That was way before he entered politics and acted less autistic though.

[Anonymous No.11029143]

>>11029137
I think most aristocratic men enjoy leading and in turn enjoy power. Why did Napolean lead? Why did Hitler lead?

[Anonymous No.11029146]

>>11029137
But that's you, anon. Ideologies make the world and flesh go 'round.

[Anonymous No.11029147]

>>11029131
I'm sure the queen's very pleased about it, and so are the drones. The queen lives longer for some reason though, and the drones keep feeding her honey better than their own food. Then she gets forced out when she no longer lays enough eggs. The new queen is always very happy about it too.

[Anonymous No.11029150]

>>11029117
Two things: Macedon’s spirit does not imply that alexander, the architect of the campaigns, cared even slightly for his people, there is almost no indication that he had any serious love for Macedon at all, he went out of his way to behave in a cosmopolitan manner; Macedonians did not have a unified national identity, there was no such thing. His men fought for wealth and fame, there was no volkish motivation or spirit of medieval christian service. His friends were all nobles, half his warriors were Thracian mercenaries looking for spoils, they immediately all showed their true colors as soon as he got to Northern india and refused to fight the Nanda Empire for him.

You are assuming that because Hitler was a lying elitist, that he was Nietzschean, N viewed the ruling class a different type who deserved to predate upon the masses, this is much closer to the ancient Aryans of India than it is to ethnic German worker-soldiers seizing power to protect the German people from the Bolsheviks. The result and intent is not the same. There really was a sort of vaguely socialist ideology motivating their behavior which was oriented towards the townships and local village communities of the countryside, and not towards the dominion of an explicitly separate caste. The SS were developed to mimic this Aryan ideal, but its just not the same in practice. Warring against the herd involves culling them and predating upon them. Hitler did not do this explicitly
>>11029130
by definition just a whisp so i could care less we’re all already buried alive by the Life-Satan

[Anonymous No.11029158]

>>11029143
Because they wanted to off up their ideas for nations that would last less than 20 years. At least choose someone like Stalin if you want to divorce aristocracy from inherited titles.

[Anonymous No.11029162]

>>11029146
Just like Christianity before them. Good luck with being part of the New Idol with the rest of the superfluous ones. I hear it's nice and warm in there between the screeching.

[Anonymous No.11029166]

>>11029158
>offer up
They also both offered up their lives for less than 20 years of that idea.

[Anonymous No.11029169]

>>11029150
Fair enough, that is a good point. I am all for an aristocratic race of men.

[Anonymous No.11029178]

>>11029158
Napolean and Hitler inherited very little. THEY TOOK IT WITH THEIR OWN WILL, as did Stalin I guess.

[Anonymous No.11029184]

>>11029178
The gained very little either. Let the fool be king for a day.

[Anonymous No.11029187]

>>11029178
>>11029184
>all i can think of is how both were manlets
i need to get off this site

[Anonymous No.11029188]

>>11029178
>THEY TOOK IT
They didn't pull themselves up by the bootstraps like you Americans are so good at, it all depended on the circumstances.

[Anonymous No.11029236]

>>11028823
> and sports teams
Nigga what the fuck are you on? Watching and appreciating those who have pursued physical excellence and the crafts associated with the sport is pretty okay in my book. The sports vs intellectual putsuits is a Disney meme for people who suck at both

[Anonymous No.11029243]

>>11028729
/pol/ would fucking hate Nietzsche if he was around today

[Anonymous No.11029275]

>>11028803
>crawl back up into your mother's cunt
I usually say:
>crawl back up inside whatever diseased hole of a cunt you call your mother

[Anonymous No.11029282]

>>11029236
you can add debate teams and matheletes if you like "balance". both of them go in the pile with the vegans and nazis

[Anonymous No.11029292]

>>11029243
Oh yeah totally, but imagining Nietzsche writhing in his grave at being misunderstood and paraded around for the wrong reasons is pretty funny

[Anonymous No.11029293]

>>11028885
>still believing that Jewish Kaufmann

[Anonymous No.11029297]

Honestly Nietsche is for 19 year old boys who think they’re much smarter than they actually are and need validation for their unfounded superiority complexes. He is the patron saint of swarmy nerds who are only half correct when they claim to be smart but lazy

[Anonymous No.11029301]

>>11029293
>Montinari and Colli are jewish
Pseud

[Anonymous No.11029302]

>>11029292
He already knew he was going to be misread constantly. [insert obligatory probably writing for an audience of two people who aren't blind to what i wrote quote]

[Anonymous No.11029312]

>>11029302
Yeah, but did he imagine being misunderstood by even academia and the people who do understand him talk about him on an image board for anime

[Anonymous No.11029322]

>>11029093
Imagine if I took a bunch of random fragments from Aristotle's books and edited them into with a book with no criteria, no respect for chronology whatsoever, and called it the "Will to Telos" and sold it to dumbasses like you

[Anonymous No.11029344]

>>11028874
found a problem, and it seems you're quoting his sister's translation:

"There is only nobility of birth, only nobility of blood. (I am not speaking here of the little word "von" or of the Almanach de
Gotha:" parenthesis for asses.) When one speaks of "aristocrats
of the spirit," reasons are usually not lacking for concealing something;
as is well known, it is a favorite term among ambitious Jews.
For spirit alone does not make noble; rather, there must be
something to ennoble the spirit.- What then is required? Blood."

He's not talking about the Germans at all. And he picks on the Jews here for a specific reason, which is to attack ill-bred types and precocious pretenders, not to suggest there could not be Jew of noble spirit, but that the Jews who do claim this are essentially concealing some other weakness of the constitution. I figured there was something more which you of course omitted; and which is revealed by the denigration of their book of peerage and the term for nobility in German, von, or Sir.
>>11029187
every single famous Conqueror was a manlet
>>11029236
competing for contracts and the pride of your city is decidedly plebeian, its one thing in Greece where you're embodying the god Hercules, Ares or Apollo and are showing off your killing prowess in a controlled environment, its another when you're playing for gangsters. Which is what Football has always been about.
>>11029293
embarrassing
>>11029297
>boys
>He is the patron saint of swarmy nerds who are only half correct when they claim to be smart but lazy
the last selection quoted is incomprehensible projection, enjoy the hell you've grown into

[Anonymous No.11029359]

>>11028836
Don't quote the will to power, it was very clearly a posthumous forgery from his stunted philistine of a sister and should not be read seriously.

[Anonymous No.11029393]

>>11029312
he was an academic with a lot of very well networked academics, including the woman who discovered rilke, so yes. of fucking course he could see what they'd think.

[Anonymous No.11029420]

>>11028729

Albert Camus.

[Anonymous No.11029641]

>>11029344
>incomprehensible projection, enjoy the hell you've grown
>”I know you are but what am I” the post
Good ole Neech is a minor poet for adolescents

[Anonymous No.11029660]

>>11028729
Are you kidding? The Left loves Nietzsche. They often use him to justify their Postmodern Identity Politics.

[Anonymous No.11029664]

>>11029660
he did say change the values of things

[Anonymous No.11029672]

>>11029664
I'm definitely not an expert or scholar on Nietzsche, but without him, "French theory" would have never existed. Whether their ideas were a true interpretation of the notion of a genealogy of morals or not, I don't know, but they relied heavily on Nietzsche for their moral relativism.