How theologically "accurate" is Paradise Lost?

[Anonymous No.11027838]

Or is it just a fun story? How seriously should i take the theology in it?

[Anonymous No.11027857]

>>11027838
Paradise Lost is an artistic expression, the only part you should contemplate seriously is the main theological argument:
>God allows for free will because there's no glory in being worshipped by automatons

[Anonymous No.11027858]

>Protestant """theology"""
Not at all

[Anonymous No.11027866]

It's a big part of Christian mythology, so there are an awful lot of Christians who unwittingly hold beliefs that stem mostly from it, but that aren't actually part of biblical canon.

[Anonymous No.11027870]

It is protestant trash. Read the Divine Comedy, but don't read it in English as English is a trash language.

[Anonymous No.11027880]

>>11027870
The Divine Comedy is equally non-canon, though

[Anonymous No.11027889]

>>11027880
But dante was a catholic hence more correct because at least his fan fiction didn't stem from mental illness

[Anonymous No.11027898]

>>11027889
You're probably correct, given that Milton rejected the Trinity, but that's not really a facet of protestantism in general and you'd be more convincing if you used his particularly heterodox views instead of appealing to tribalism.

[Anonymous No.11027925]

Milton, like Dante, was a sect of one.

[Anonymous No.11027926]

>>11027838
It's about as theologically accurate as Goethe's Faust, Thomas Aquinas, or Joel Osteen's Your Best Life Now: 7 Steps to Living at Your Full Potential.

[Anonymous No.11027935]

>>11027926
What's your issue with Aquinas?

[Anonymous No.11027941]

>>11027935
Not much, just fishing for (You)s from Catholics really

[Anonymous No.11027943]

>>11027941
Oh, fair enough. Next time, post this image with the reply
>muh aristotle
and you can keep it up for a lot longer

[Anonymous No.11027957]

>>11027943
Will do

[Anonymous No.11028035]

Is it all just "fuck yeah the devil" like Cliff is making it out to be?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U71BYEVn0nE

[Anonymous No.11028040]

>>11027889
Dante was a stilnovist. If stilnovists aren't mentally ill, I don't know what is

[Anonymous No.11028240]

>>11027858
There's a strong argument that Milton was a Catholic and didn't realize it.

[Anonymous No.11028325]

>>11027838
LOL! Wly is there paradise in y loft??? XDXD

[Anonymous No.11028964]

>>11027870
I wish you could know how stupid Italians sound when they try and have opinions.

[Anonymous No.11029159]

>>11027925
this

[Anonymous No.11029464]

>>11027838
All Protestants essentially make their own truth in terms of religion. They view the Bible as a book to interpret as any other; if one's interpretation is coherent and original, then it can constitute as a new sect. Catholics, on the other hand, believe in the Magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church which is without error in terms of moral judgement. Since Milton strays far from the Magisterium, he is certainly considered to be a heretic by at least 1 billion people on the planet.

Take that as you will. If you're a Roman Catholic, Milton is a heretic, but an interesting heretic to read nonetheless. If you're a Protestant, then you have no problem with him because he is merely following his conscience and interpreting what he believes to be authentic Christianity represented in the Bible and the writings of the Church Fathers.

t. Catholic

[Anonymous No.11029505]

>>11029464
Milton does not claim Paradise Lost to be canon. Don't be retarded.

[Anonymous No.11029546]

>>11029505
Good post.

[Anonymous No.11030236]

>>11028035
No

[Anonymous No.11030388]

>>11027838
His conception of angels having sex in heaven, and Adam & Eve having sex in Eden pre-fall, are at least eccentric, though not so strange as to cause trouble

[Anonymous No.11030452]

>>11027870
based

[Anonymous No.11030591]

>>11029464
That's pretty interesting considering the Holy Roman Catholic Church has been led by false popes since the passing of Pope Pius.

>Vatican 2 was a mistake
>the current pope is in fact a heretic
>recent popes have not been catholic
>Catholicism is a shell of its former self

[Anonymous No.11030607]

>>11030591
That's why I'm an obscure orthodox sect.

[Anonymous No.11030613]

>>11030607
Please tell me more? My hometown has the oldest Greek Orthodox Church in the new world, but unfortunately I don't speak any amount of Greek. That also rules out Russian orthodox because I don't speak any russian

[Anonymous No.11030618]

>>11030613
The denomination of orthodox I am sprang from the schism brought about by the Patriarch Nikon in the 17th century.

[Anonymous No.11030687]

>>11027838
>paradife loft

[Anonymous No.11030693]

>>11027866
Such as hell, correct? Does the Bible even mention hell?

[Anonymous No.11030702]

>>11027857

are u tryin to tell me god seeks glory anon?

[Anonymous No.11030755]

>>11027838
Paradise Lost is blatantly heretical even within the limits of Protestantism. In fact, it commits the oldest heresy in the book: Arianism.

You know the bits in Heaven where God the Father is talking to Jesus, and there's a heavy implication that the Father existed before Jesus? That's a heresy. It nearly destroyed the Christian world in the beginning of the fifth century, and it's the reason we have the Nicene Creed.

So, no, don't take anything about the poem seriously from a Christian perspective. Just enjoy it for its brilliance as a work of art.

[Anonymous No.11030789]

>>11027857
If that's the message of the book then it is anti biblical.

>For truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place.
Acts 4:27-28

There is no such thing as free will!

[Anonymous No.11030797]

>>11027838
Not very, it's more that it is entwined with British history. He was nearly executed for it (and his associations) but was allowed to live as his disgrace was seen as a bigger punishment.

[Anonymous No.11030822]

>>11030797
Considering how hardcore of a republican he was, being forced to live through the Restoration was probably a punishment in its own right.

[Anonymous No.11030845]

>>11030693
hell was metioned much more times than heaven

[Anonymous No.11030868]

>>11030845
What about hell as punishment? I haven't read much of the New Testament, but from what I know, it either wasn't until Revelations or Dante where hell was a place for the damned. John 3:16 implied that, if not to accept Christ, the soul perished with the body. I've also heard (I'm not very well-educated) that the Jews, or at least the early Jews, have no concept of hell.

[Anonymous No.11031015]

>>11027889
Both catholic and protestant shit is not canon only orthodox shit is

[Anonymous No.11031063]

>>11028035
not even slightly, atheists who read it have an easy time self inserting into Satan and for some reason assume Milton wasn't allegorizing their world view

[Anonymous No.11031076]

>>11030868
It's in the book of Daniel too. With fire and all that stuff.
It's just that the Jews don't necessarily know what to make of it and might claim ey we don't know what kinda ting dis hell ting is.
But that's a lie hell is in the bible.

[Anonymous No.11031086]

>>11030789
>God makes you sin then holds you responsible for it
The crucifixion was predestined, not necessarily that those particular individuals should do the particular bad things they did to bring it about. That passage says nothing about free will.

[Anonymous No.11031096]

>>11031076
Thanks, I'll keep a closer look. But one more thing: at one point is it revealed the serpent Eden was Satan? To my mind, God, or someone else representing a divine council (after all, Elohim is plural, yes?) was the serpent, "testing" Eve. So was it Milton that said, "Oh by the way..."?

[Anonymous No.11031106]

>>11031086
One thing I find grossly interesting is that YHWH, though Hebrew can be very ambiguous at times, can supposedly come to mean "Behold the hand(man?) behold the nail"

[Anonymous No.11031128]

>>11031096
I dont really know.
This might help
>https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/bible-interpretation/how-the-serpent-became-satan/
I bought The Prince of this World a while back in order to learn more about the genealogy of the devil in Christianity but haven't read past the introduction yet, as is the case with most books I buy, so I can't say to what extent it would answer such questions I've also been wondering.

[Anonymous No.11031133]

>>11031106
Take into account that most of this 'scholarship' is just trying to justify the new testament teleologically. It reads the old testament through a particular interpretation of the gospels, which is obviously misguided but interesting (and useful, if you want to know about Christianity) nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.11031184]

>>11028325
It was a really fuperb loft. Fo fuperior we called it Paradife.

[Anonymous No.11031223]

>>11028325
>>11031184
I'll never get tired of this

[Anonymous No.11031226]

>>11030693
Isaiah 14 15
Mark 9 47-48 (Jesus quote Isaiah 66 24).
Matthew 23 33
Luke 12 5

[Anonymous No.11031227]

is there any books that will spoonfeed me explaining why proteetantism is heresy? a book that tells its history, how it was born, etc. I want to know this a bit deeper

[Anonymous No.11031231]

>>11031227
forgot to ask, how about Pilgrim's progress? does it hold any theological value/accuracy? is it protestant, or is it more like its own thing like paradise lost (not chatolic but also not exactly protestant as was pointed ITT)?

good thread

[Anonymous No.11031256]

>>11031096
I think the serpent is satan.
God test was the tree and his prohibition.
Elohim plural may be a Reference to the trinity mystery.

[Anonymous No.11031386]

>>11027838
>Jesus literally leads the charge against Satan and kicks his ass
Sounds legit.

[Anonymous No.11031420]

>how seriously should i take theology

[Anonymous No.11031421]

>>11031256
What?

[Anonymous No.11031442]

We had to read it when I went to a private christian high school. Teacher made sure to hammer in our heads that pretty much all of its details are non-canonical but still had a big hand in shaping the judeo-christian mythos or atleast tge perception of it. Its like bible fanfiction. I remember thinking it was cool though. Doesn't Lucifer have a dope ass fight with Micheal on the frontlines of the battle between Heavens host and the fallen angels or is that another bible fanfic Im thinking of?

[Anonymous No.11031639]

>>11031420
*tips*

[Anonymous No.11031831]

>>11031086
It wasn't you know, those apostles were bastards. Have you read it?

[Anonymous No.11031833]

>>11030822
Yet strangely Pres. Trump wants to meet the Queen.

[Anonymous No.11031901]

>>11031639
That meme from late 2000s /v/ sure showed me.

[Anonymous No.11031997]

>>11030755
Pleb confirmed. Jesus =/= God and yes was the first of God's creations, even before angels and the world. Read the fucking Bible, don't just listen to what Christianity has become ie. Catholicism/Protestantism. It's blatant misreading and misrepresentation stemming from the corruption of Platonism in the early church.

[Anonymous No.11032010]

>>11031442
yeah that's paradise lost, they throw fucking mountains at each other it's insane brodude

[Anonymous No.11032030]

>>11030755
>2018
>believing in the trinity
haram

[Anonymous No.11032075]

>>11032010
>Tfw no Bible shounen

[Anonymous No.11032532]

>>11032010
>top 10 anime fights