/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.11026235]

How did this novel predict the future so well?

[Anonymous No.11026267]

Because history is fractual.

[Anonymous No.11026270]

>>11026235
>it's a "fascism is not an ideology held by the couple of European dictatorships 80 years ago, but mysterious primordial evil" thread

[Anonymous No.11026282]

>>11026235
Has anyone read Babbit by the same author; is it good/worth reading or just a thorough period piece like Man in the Grey Flannel Suit?

[Anonymous No.11026283]

>>11026270
The only evil is violence and death done by human to human.

Fascism was the form that evil took, but any ideology can serve as its mask.

[Anonymous No.11026289]

>>11026270
Fascism is just an expression of the luciferine nature of modernity

[Anonymous No.11026291]

>>11026283
>it's another "I missed the point but quoted Peterson to sound deep" episode

[Anonymous No.11026294]

Yall niggas need to check out Richard Rorty, he predicted Trump and mentions this book

[Anonymous No.11026327]

>>11026291
>it's another faggot who posts on /lit/ yet sees everything in terms of television episodes and should go back to /tv/ where he belongs

[Anonymous No.11026333]

How? Elaborate

[Anonymous No.11026341]

>>11026333
America elected Trump, a dictator.

[Anonymous No.11026353]

>>11026341
Did the person in this book get btfo by pretty much every government official and is basically a lame duck at this point?

[Anonymous No.11026355]

man fascism is turning out to be really disappointing.. there arent even any resistance groups to join or concentration camps to die in!! ughg!!!

[Anonymous No.11026365]

>>11026353
Yes, actually. It turns out that the military seized power from him just like Kelly and Mattis did from Trump.

[Anonymous No.11026374]

>>11026270
> being either so disingenuous that you pretend not to understand that fascism is used colloquially to refer to right wing collectivist movements that discourage free thought, are xenophobic, and demand that the citizenry submit to the behavioral edicts of an elite, or so stupid that you genuinely don't understand it

[Anonymous No.11026397]

>>11026282
It’s literally just ok but it describes upper middle class boomers to a T.

[Anonymous No.11026417]

>>11026374
>right wing collectivist movements
Name two besides actual historical Fascists and Nazis and their allies..
And no "alt-right" is not a movement, and European anti-immigration parties are do not "discourage free thought" or "demand that the citizenry submit to the behavioral edicts of an elite".

[Anonymous No.11026423]

>>11026341
I was more appalled when we elected a Muslim from Kenya.

[Anonymous No.11026440]

>>11026341
>elected
>dictator

[Anonymous No.11026442]

>>11026417
The alt right is definitely a movement, and what they aim for is certainly colloquially fascistic.

Pinochet's Chile. Francoist Spain. The stronger monarchies.

Right wing collectivism is things like fascism, national socialism, monarchism, theocracy, and so on. They support working for the good of the collective, rather than the self, while also supporting a strict hierarchy.

[Anonymous No.11026446]

>>11026440
Hitler was democratically elected.

> being this uneducated
wow

[Anonymous No.11026451]

>>11026446
No he wasn't.

[Anonymous No.11026455]

>>11026451
Holy shit. Read a fucking book.

[Anonymous No.11026494]

>>11026423
I'm going to assume this is a troll post.

[Anonymous No.11026526]

>>11026455
Holy fuck all you have to do is google it
Since I'm assuming reading a book is too hard for you

[Anonymous No.11026570]

Even though I knew that Trump would be an embarrassment to the country and might even lead us straight to disaster, I just couldn’t bring myself to vote for a woman. Plus she was well under 6 feet tall and that’s just not presidential.

[Anonymous No.11026602]

>>11026570
Why is it that England has had no trouble with a woman leader but for some reason it's a problem for America?

[Anonymous No.11026627]

>>11026602
>taking the bait

[Anonymous No.11026631]

>>11026627
>Hurr I'm retarded hurr
>You're a retard
>Joke's on you I was merely pretending

[Anonymous No.11026637]

>>11026631
>hurr I'm retarded
>this post couldn't possibly be ironic
>"hey retard that other guy isn't serious"
>hey fuck you i was only pretending

[Anonymous No.11026639]

>>11026637
>HURR GREENTEXT HURR
SHUT THE FUCK UP

[Anonymous No.11026652]

>>11026639
>SHUT THE FUCK UP
>no

[Anonymous No.11026655]

>>11026235
>>11026235
>predict the future
Yeah, it's amazing-- Hillary almost got elected

[Anonymous No.11026663]

>>11026341
Hahahahaha
Every other American president for the last centyry has been the same kind of puppet as that orange senile faggot. You people are spewing stupid sensasionalist bullshit

[Anonymous No.11026668]

>>11026341
>believing trump’s a fascist dictator and not just another neoliberal tool

dumbass

[Anonymous No.11026683]

>>11026235

Capitalism is fascism and authoritarianism to the highest degree.

[Anonymous No.11026708]

>>11026442
>white nationalism is colloquially fascistic
>Lincoln (and virtually every single other American politician up until 1960s) was a fascist
Wew, lad.
>Pinochet's Chile
There was no "pinochetian" movement, just an ordinary military dictatorship.
>Francoist Spain
"besides actual historical Fascists and Nazis and their allies"
>Right wing collectivism is things like fascism, national socialism, monarchism, theocracy, and so on.
So, bunch of mostly historically unrealated and widley different political systems and ideologies?
>working for the good of the collective
Too vague, especially in comparison with leftist collectivism, wich is first and foremost an economic system.

[Anonymous No.11026817]

>>11026602
England has always been a bit gay. They invented soccer for fucks sake.

[Anonymous No.11026853]

>>11026602
We just haven't had any Thatchers

But I'll definitely be voting for Nikki Haley in 2024

[Anonymous No.11026859]

>>11026289
Uh. Who said that?

[Anonymous No.11026861]

>>11026353
Trump's getting four more years, cuck

[Anonymous No.11026866]

>>11026853
She's obviously going to switch to the Democrats so you can probably expect her to run against Pence in 2020.

[Anonymous No.11026878]

>>11026861
You sound more and more desperate each time you say this.

[Anonymous No.11026887]

>>11026861
Mate I liked trump for a few reasons but he is absolutely doing diddly squat. We need someone less volatile now.

[Anonymous No.11026894]

>>11026859
Me lol
>>11026853
>Thatcher
>Good
England was certainly in need of some good economic reforms at the time but that woman was a devil

[Anonymous No.11026911]

>>11026668
>>11026663

Nice try Ivan, but real American patriots everywhere are wising up to your collusion and fake news. Comey and the good men and women of the FBI have cheeto Mussolini on the crosshairs. Soon, the truth will come out and there will be nothing you can do to stop it. People who minimize or trivialize the Trump regime are anti American. Liberal all American values will win out in the end, Putin Drumpf and thei ilk belong in the dustbin of history together with all sexists, homophobes, racists, Islamphobes and populist demagogues.

[Anonymous No.11026914]

While Trump is an embarrassing vulgarian and egomaniac without any discernible talent, never underestimate the faggotry and trannyism of the Democrats and how repulsive they are to decent Americans.

[Anonymous No.11026919]

>>11026914
>trannyism
I like how you just made up a word because you dropped out of high school.

[Anonymous No.11026935]

>>11026919
>tfw I unironically 'hate' trans people and see them not as humans but as malevolent neon haired goblin like creatures of some sort

[Anonymous No.11026946]

>>11026935
The irony of this image.

[Anonymous No.11026960]

>>11026946
Leftism is slave morality, though. They just swap out the chaste Semitic Jesus of old for a blue haired genderqueer mixed race Jesus. The objective is the same: keeping the white man down through guilt and slave morality

[Anonymous No.11027027]

>>11026911
You must be trolling. You can't be this retarded. /lit/ posters, prove to me you aren't just /lit/erally reddit.

All I see here is people reading something and going "this predicted x" with x often being something sociopolitical they don't like

You don't know what fascism is

Trump is not a dictator

The world isn't just a decadent "degeneracy" pit, nor a fascist dictarorship

You are fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.11027036]

>>11026960
they don’t you fucking imbecile that’s not how Socialism-Christianity dialectic works, think harder before posting

[Anonymous No.11027061]

>>11026235
Which future?

[Anonymous No.11027066]

>>11027027
It's a clearly ironic you imbecile
But yeah /lit/ posters are retarded

[Anonymous No.11027104]

I wish Trump were a fascist dictator - instead he's playing by the rules to a fault. Moreso than can be said about Obama.

[Anonymous No.11027125]

I come to /lit/ so I don't have to constantly read about this orange asshole on reddit and you idiots do nothing but talk about him here too. Delete this thread NOW.

[Anonymous No.11027133]

>>11026235
trump is a meme, memes can't be dictators

[Anonymous No.11027153]

>>11027036
I bet I could defeat any given 'trans person' if things were to come to the point of unarmed physical combat. American Civil War 2.0 will pit skinheads and good ol boys against bluehaired queers and effete neo liberal bugmen urbanites. Deus Fucking Vult! Get your pick up trucks and your AR 15s ready, we are driving up to the Bay Area to give those freaks a lesson they will never forget, we'll plant a Gadsden flag on the smoking rubble.

[Anonymous No.11027167]

>>11026663
This
>>11026668
Neoliberalism isn't too far off is the thing. If you actually read The Doctrine of Fascism, what Mussolini is talking about isn't too different from what most American politicians in the past hundred years

[Anonymous No.11027179]

>>11026235
ok this thread is an abomination, bye /lit/ ill be back in a while, thanks for the reminder you’re all beneath me

[Anonymous No.11027188]

>neoliberal
Is this the word pseuds misuse the most?

[Anonymous No.11027189]

If anything, Trump has been too soft. We need men of blood and iron, like Benjamin Garrison and Samuel Hyde to cleanse this degenerate land.

[Anonymous No.11027199]

>>11027179
bye

[Anonymous No.11027202]

>>11027188
probably, neoliberals don't exist no more

[Anonymous No.11027213]

>>11026235
Trump isn't fascist but I unironically believe he's enabling fascists and that within the next twenty years we'll see a dangerous fascist uprising that will have to be shut down.

[Anonymous No.11027218]

>>11027213
Sounds neat

[Anonymous No.11027229]

>>11027213
how do you shut it down without a credible alternative?

[Anonymous No.11027235]

>>11026270
>All of these pseuds who have no idea what fascism was
>The amount of moronic hysteria ITT
Jesus Christ , a bunch of shit flinging monkeys is more intelligent than the anons ITT

[Anonymous No.11027238]

>>11027229
With bullets

[Anonymous No.11027239]

>>11027229
I imagine the rising interest in social democracy could counteract it, but it would have to beat it to the chase probably.

If most people feel like they're getting a fair deal, they'll never want fascism.

[Anonymous No.11027241]

>>11027213
>America will annihilate itself in my lifetime
I couldn't be happier to be quite honest

[Anonymous No.11027245]

>>11027218
>>11027229
up against the wall for your extrajudicial execution, fascist scum

[Anonymous No.11027250]

>>11027213
>but I unironically believe he's enabling fascists
Nope. Stop using fascist as a synonym for racist first of all , second of all the """""fascists""""" in the United States are mostly just white nationalist libertarians who are heavily censored and cast out by virtually every media outlet in the country

Stop your paranoia

[Anonymous No.11027255]

>>11027239
>Not realizing that fascism is heavily influences from socdem economics
Hitler was a socdem for years my dude.

[Anonymous No.11027268]

>>11027250
Not just the subtle racism.
>belief in strongman who can save the state
>belief that multiculturalism will destroy the West
>belief that nationalism trumps individuality
>blind trust in the military
etc.

[Anonymous No.11027280]

http://www.jstor.org/stable/4334700?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
also overpopulation will kill us in 100 years, also nuclear war, and pollution and climate change

[Anonymous No.11027282]

>>11027255
Hitler used the early German Workers party (guys like Anton Drexler) who wanted actual soc dem policies to vaunt himself to power. He ditched most of those elements as soon as he could, and there's been a considerable amount of history written about how he was embarrassed by the groups early pamphlets. He was making concessions so he could run the party like an autocrat, which unsurprisingly scared his "comrades" into getting a petition circulating where they called for him to step down. Of course, being the crafty little rat he was, he shut that down fast.

[Anonymous No.11027284]

>>11027268
>It's a I just read War is a Racket episode
There were multicultural fascists aka Falangists who believed in a Pan Hispanic future
>Strongmanism is unique to only fascism
*And liberal capitalistic democracies, plus virtually any political system save anarchism
>Belief that nationalism trumps individualism
Not unique to fascism again
>Blind trust in the military
Neo-fascists constantly harp on about the military industrial complex being the tools of capitalists just as fascists always have

[Anonymous No.11027288]

I come here so I don't have to read about this orange asshole ALL THE TIME on reddit and you idiots do nothing but talk about him here too. Delete this fucking thread right NOW.

[Anonymous No.11027292]

>>11027288
fascist

[Anonymous No.11027293]

>>11027282
>The NSDAP drifted more to the right on issues
And? That doesn't mean popularizing socdem economics won't also popularize people who drift away from the left to the right to adopt fascistic tendencies which is apparently happening in Greece as we speak

[Anonymous No.11027300]

>>11027280
>Neo-Malthusianism
Gross but with a grain of truth

[Anonymous No.11027302]

>>11027288
I do agree with you, but you’re from Reddit so you’re still a faggot

[Anonymous No.11027310]

>>11027293
You said social democracy was what led to the rise of fascism. That's not true. The aftereffects of WW1 are what created the nationalism and anti-Semitism that bolstered both the social democrats and fascists (Hitler's buddies and other groups). That's what I'm saying.

The NSDAP did not "drift right" on issues; it was always on the right because its power was always concentrated in no more than 1-4 people. Hitler just put up a veneer of supporting some social benefits because he knew that would draw people in. What matters: what someone says, or what someone does and continues to do?

I don't know enough about what's happening in Greece to have an educated conversation on the topic.

[Anonymous No.11027312]

Why is nationalism so despised? Is it only really intelligent people that have way more going for them than the average person?

[Anonymous No.11027314]

>>11027213
Why do you think that? I'd like to hear your reasoning.
It looks to me that the opposite would be more likely. The warning signs for a dictatorial power grab seem to be:
demonization of the outgroup- both sides do this.
censorship- the left wants this.
gun control- obvious.
Further, the CIA, the organization that has organized as many as six coup d'etats before breakfast and wouldn't hesitate to do so on U.S. soil, is opposed to Trump and would love to oust him. Not that the CIA is partisan, exactly, a neocon would serve them just as well as a liberal, but Trump won't do.
Rereading your post, you don't actually specify what side you think the fascists are coming from, so maybe this is what you meant all along. Maybe not. I'd like to hear your perspective.

[Anonymous No.11027321]

>>11027312

[Anonymous No.11027322]

>>11027238
>>11027245
how do you convince the people behind the guns to shoot without a credible alternative? specially when people who work with guns are usually more right wing than the rest

>>11027239
>I imagine the rising interest in social democracy could counteract it
where has this happened? democracy hasn't been in a worse shape in a while, china is cucking us even in green energy which by being something "nice" means we should be automatically better than them at it

>>11027250
libertarianism has never existed and means nothing, it was just the last struggle to try to save liberalism from itself, which hasn't worked and all right wingers have moved on, nobody believes that you can organize around "freedom" anymore, specially if you live in a truly cosmopolitan city

>>11027280
>pollution and climate change
enjoy the incoming ice age

>>11027255
>>11027282
yep, hitler was no true dictator, it was just a populist democracy, the germans just like to pretend it was a dictatorship to feel better about themselves

[Anonymous No.11027335]

>>11027321
>written from his comfy germany
only people who live in good countries can afford to be anti-nationalist

[Anonymous No.11027344]

>>11027312
>Why is nationalism so despised?
Because I'm not superstitious and therefore refuse to take idealists seriously

[Anonymous No.11027349]

>>11027321
t. Intelligent person who has way more going on for him than the average person

[Anonymous No.11027354]

>>11027310
>You said social democracy was what led to the rise of fascism
No I didn't , I said that Hitler was a Socdem and socdem economics influenced fascistic economics. Not the same thing.

Technically fascism doesn't have a concrete economic outlook I mean it was a limited movement in the 20th century whose main influences draw back to Syndicalism, social democracy, hegelian idealism, integralism, and nationalism that varied from country to country.
>Definitely right be left as centralized vs decentralized governance
Gross , also Hitler and the many different fascist movements did legitimately care about social reforms it was not a "veneer" and what Hitler did was what fascists though was best for the nation and the workers. There is this tacit no true scottsman about Hitler's revolutionary status that you see among more left leaning types that just lacks so much background knowledge on how Fascism works that you really shouldn't fall intl

>I don't know much about Greece
They have a neo-fascists party as the 3rd largest in the whole country and the are making rapid gains whole the ruling party is a Socdem party. It's about as similar to Weimar Germany as it gets

[Anonymous No.11027355]

>>11027153
Just a reminder that people out there unironically think like this. This poster is likely a troll, but living in the rural south this sentiment is all too prevalent.

[Anonymous No.11027364]

>>11026374
It's not. Most of the time when it's used it's a meaningless sludge of 'things i don't like but can't actually identify or elaborate on'. The uneducated university students don't know what fascism is, so they throw it around randomly.

[Anonymous No.11027365]

>>11027314
Sounds like you're more on the right and I'm more on the left. We may just have a different perspective on things.
> the opposite would be more likely
What do you mean? Leftists could come to power? Not being sarcastic, just trying to clarify so I can address the point.
>demonization of the outgroup- both sides do this.
Who's the outgroup?
>censorship- the left wants this.
Purple-haired feminists at UCLA are not the entirety of the left, if we're talking about our citizenry. If we're talking politicians, both those on the left and right want some level of censorship, or at least a stigma attached to telling the truth. Look at the way our mainstream media is controlled.
>gun control
Yeah, maybe if it gets to a certain point.
>CIA assassinating Trump
Trump seems to have stepped in line with the neoliberal agenda at this point.
>where are the fascists coming from
Places like /pol/, YouTube, parts of Reddit, and Stormfront. Mobilizing neckbeards into a dangerous force might not seem likely, but I think it's worth remembering that the internet has increasingly come to affect mainstream "liberal" culture. And I think it's entirely possible that "normies" could, if things keep going downhill, latch onto fascism. We're already seeing some early stages of it with the obsession over political correctness.

[Anonymous No.11027369]

>>11027321
>Le edgy virgin incel man
So what you're saying is there are people on /r9k/ worried about their posturing and thus decline to """"""nationalism""""' , a term they don't understand, because they want to seem like they have everything in life?

I mean first of all nationalism is just expression of sovereignty of a given cultural / ethnic enclave where they recognize a certain amount of unity between people in a geographic enclave and organize themselves and their identities through it. Mainly because it's something can't be helped and is merely and observable status of mankind?

[Anonymous No.11027372]

>>11027314
This. CIA are the ones with the most power and have carte blanche for anything they want to do. They have trillions from USAP's plus drug trade money and a huge network of assets and collected information worldwide and have zero accountability to anyone, only like some accountability to the DOJ as I recall.

You also mention a war on US soil but as I know it that can't happen and I read a somewhat detailed account of this before. Basically the armed forces can't compete with a militia on US soil due to guerrilla tactics, 2nd amendment, terrain and power grids & ports, plus dissenters in government positions. Fucking Texas operates on its own power grid lol

[Anonymous No.11027373]

>>11027314
>gun control is an obvious first step to dictatorship
Why do Americans assume this?
There weren't gun laws under Mao, the Red Army started as a militia group and there were totally armed Jews in Hitler's Germany.
Most of these personality cult autocrats get swept in on just that. They aren't universally despised figures when they assume power
Besides if disorganized armed civilians could reliably contest trained militaries with the latest technology we'd hardly need nations

[Anonymous No.11027378]

>>11027372
>Implying if a civil war broke out it would just be the state vs militias and not the state splitting into two separate entities with militias playing a background role

Millions would die btw , and there would be a lot of international involvement

[Anonymous No.11027386]

>>11027373
>There weren't gun laws under Mao, the Red Army started as a militia group and there were totally armed Jews in Hitler's Germany.
[citation needed]

For many things, I mean first of all
>Implying militias inherently support the rights of individual gun ownership and would never centralize gun ownership with party membership

[Anonymous No.11027396]

>>11027354
>Hiter was a socdem
senpai
>socdem economics influenced fascist economics
No. Hitler used promises of a social democratic platform to win over the disenfranchised "stabbed from the back" post-WW1 Germans. An excerpt from The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, which is pretty widely accepted as one of the best histories of the rise of Hitler and the Nazis
>A good many paragraphs of the party porgram were obviously merely a demagogic appeal to the mood of the lower classes at a time when they were in bad straits and were sympathetic to radical and even socialist slogans. Point 11, for example, demanded abolition of incomes unearned by work; Point 12, the nationalization of trusts; Point 13, the sharing with the state of profits from large industry; Point 14, the abolishing of land rents and speculation in land.
Sounds interesting...until....
>These demands had been put in at the insistence of Drexler and Feder, who apparently really believed in the "socialism" of National Socialism. They were the ideas which Hitler was to find embarrassing when the big industrialists and landlords began to pour money into the party coffers, and OF COURSE NOTHING WAS EVER DONE ABOUT THEM.

[Anonymous No.11027405]

>>11027378
I didn't imply that

[Anonymous No.11027408]

>>11027322
Why would facism be in any way a credible alternative to capitalism?
Not only is it frowned upon by just about anyone who is taken seriously, it failed against nations using capitalism.
>>11027335
Except he was a sad man, yet he didn’t resort to nationalism
>>11027349
I might be smart but I’m still a khv
>>11027369
If the saddest philosopher can be proud of himself, some random fucktard can.
Also there’s a difference between what you stated, which is more in the lines of patriotism, to the fetishizing of nationality that nationalist do

[Anonymous No.11027416]

>>11027396
>senpai
Yup, then he drifted more to the right on issues.
>He is still going with the tacit no true scottsman
Goddamnit, everytime with you people. Fascism is about class cooperation, a merger between the state, capital, and the individual and the party began drifting more to the right on capitalistic issues because of Hitlerism rising in the NSDAP eventually leading the more left leaning people to be purged. Hitler *was* a Socdem whose ideals *changed* with time.

Mussolini was also formerly a devout socialist ffs

[Anonymous No.11027430]

>>11027408
>Except he was a sad man, yet he didn’t resort to nationalism
he retorted to pessimism though, and some successful people retorted to nationalism, so there goes his theory to the toilet i guess

[Anonymous No.11027431]

>>11027408
>Also there’s a difference between what you stated, which is more in the lines of patriotism, to the fetishizing of nationality that nationalist do
You have that backwards

there’s a difference between what I stated, which is more in the lines of nationalism, to the fetishizing of patriotism that nationalists do

[Anonymous No.11027436]

>>11027416
>Yup
so provide some actual justification for that belief. Hitler was well-known to not be economically literate, and he hated the social democrats, even if he learned to emulate their anti-Semitism in Vienna.
>Hitler *was* a Socdem whose ideals changed with time
Then provide some evidence for that belief. If I'm wrong I want to know it.
>Mussolini
It's also worth pointing out that I am not talking *just* about the leaders of fascist movements; I'm talking about the population that must consent to it, too.

[Anonymous No.11027441]

>>11027386
>citation needed
The cultural revolution was carried out by armed peasants. Mao didn't need to worry about them because he was practically worshipped at the time, and besides, the classical Marxist position is that the proletariat should be armed.
The Red Army initially came together to oppose the White Russians during the civil war.
Hitler did limit the ability of Jews to purchase guns but there are still accounts of shootouts in the ghettos.
>Centralize gun ownership with the party
>The state allowing it's citizens to carry arms is a function of the state
Ok

[Anonymous No.11027449]

>>11027416
They were socialist but not democratic. Their entire point was that democratic process fucked over germans and the economy and spread "degeneracy", which is why they created an authoritarian state to intervene.

When Hitler and Goebbels talked about good things in the US, they mentioned government intervention to combat the depression and Edward Bernays' propaganda.

[Anonymous No.11027459]

>>11027449
Not sure if you're the same guy I've been talking to, but sure, this sounds about right.

>socialist but not democratic
and this is why I think it's a little absurd to draw a line between social democracy and Nazism.

[Anonymous No.11027461]

>>11027436
>even if he learned to emulate their anti-Semitism in Vienna.
>Was a Socdem in Vienna
Fucks sake man, Hitler even states as much in Mein Kampf although he disagree with how socdems and unions behaved trying to gain what they wanted he largely agreed with most of their sentiments when it came to the conditions of the working class

>I'm also talking about the people that follow it
Many of whom were left leaning as well? As I said some of the influences of fascism come from socdem and syndicalism

[Anonymous No.11027462]

>>11027408
It's not only about being proud of yourself....

[Anonymous No.11027480]

>>11027449
No the fascists were not socialists or socdems, they arose out of opposition to social democracy and socialism many of them being former socdems and socialists.

I also never said they were democratic
>>11027459
Except it's not because the Nazis gained membership from disenchanted socdems and we're the right leaning anti-socdem party? I'm citing influences of social democracy in fascism because some of the ideas of social democracy went into fascist ideology but that doesn't mean it all was included

[Anonymous No.11027484]

>>11027461
> disagree with how socdems and unions behaved trying to gain what they wanted he largely agreed with most of their sentiments when it came to the conditions of the working class
This is the entire problem with your argument. Just because someone shares a diagnosis doesn't mean their prescription is the same. You yourself said as much just now. Also
>treating Mein Kampf like a reliable historical source
but w/e
>Many of whom were left leaning as well? As I said some of the influences of fascism come from socdem and syndicalism
OR people latch onto popular movements that are actually seeing some success? I can't see the convo going much further from here.

[Anonymous No.11027488]

>>11027441
>Hitler did limit the abilities of Jews to arm themselves but there was still a black market Soo...

Okay
>When the state is governed by one authoritarian body under a command economy then individuals have the freedom to bear arms

Wat

[Anonymous No.11027489]

>>11027480
the whole point is that just because someone is disenfranchised doesn't mean they're disenfranchised from social democracy. Social democracy was not the dominant economic/political structure prior to/during WW1. It was one potential answer to the anger after the Germans lost, and it ultimately lost to Nazism. For fuck's sake, the Nazis went after the socialists as soon as they gained power.

[Anonymous No.11027490]

>>11026911
>peaceful protest
Never gonna make it

[Anonymous No.11027502]

>>11027484
>Just because someone shares a diagnosis doesn't mean their prescription is the same.
But his prescription *was* the same he disagreed with the *strategy* to come the to *prescription* fucks sake. Levels of autism that shouldn't even be possible goddamn

>Mein kampf isn't a reliable source into the beliefs of Hitler
Sooo Mao's red book isn't a good source on Mao's beliefs
>Everyone involved in fascism was just bandwaggoning from success there was no other reason
Nice dehumanization of the opposition , nope if you can't accept that fascism was also made up of left leaning people rejecting their own ideology and moving rightwards then you are going to have a hard time in life friendo

[Anonymous No.11027513]

>>11027489
Okay I don't how many times I'm going to have to explain basic polysci here
>*one* influence on fascism was social democracy because the ideals of social democracy either were included in fascist ideologies or came about as a rejection of how social democracy wanted to function

So it is therefore an influence in many different ways, just like how Syndicalism was an influence on fascism. Because fascists didn't exclusively come from either Syndicalist or socdem backgrounds nor was I ever saying as much.

[Anonymous No.11027518]

>>11027502
His prescription was not the same. You still haven't explained how it was. You've only gone between saying there was a line between social democracy and Nazism and then occasionally saying Nazism has elements of social democracy. Now show me actual policies that were *enacted* that were socially democratic.

>Mao's red book
Nigga they were authoritarians who believed you had to control the population's thoughts for their own good. No, of course they're not reliable sources.
>dehumanization of the opposition
Never dehumanized them; all I said was people on the left probably wound up joining with the Nazis because they saw there was some success and the Nazis were at least *diagnosing the problem.* Normal everyday people just want to feel like they've been heard, and if you entertain their grief they'll usually support you. Maybe a loose comparison (on a much smaller degree) could be Bernie voters going to Trump. Some very different prescriptions in areas, but at least they both diagnose a problem.

[Anonymous No.11027525]

>>11027513
so what's the point then? If it's one of dozens of political philosophies, and it's had no measurable, noticeable affects on Nazism, it's basically just a footnote in history, and not this theory you've put out of "social democracy leads inevitably to fascism." Again, social democrats were not in power when the Nazis ascended.

[Anonymous No.11027535]

>>11026270
this

[Anonymous No.11027538]

>>11026866
digits confirm Haley vs. Pence
sounds like a win-win to me. Probably won't even vote in that case.

[Anonymous No.11027540]

>>11027355
I unironically 'think like that' and I was raised by progressive parents and educators amongst well off urban liberals. To this very day, I get all my news from reputable liberal sources such as the guardian, vox media and the NYT. But something must have gone horribly wrong along the way, I curse the liberal managerial leviathan for failing to indoctrinate me correctly. So I ended up a feral psychotic skinhead, guess that's what my life is about now: fighting ZOG. I didn't choose the redpill, the red pill chose me

[Anonymous No.11027558]

>>11027518
>Now show me actual policies that were *enacted* that were socially democratic.
Expanding workers safety conditions, healthcare, etc

Also
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Labour_Front

>When you conflate contemporary political situations with the historical
Don't do that, the SPD and KPD were extremely popular in 1933 and the SPD was the most powerful party in Germany for a long time (by default)

[Anonymous No.11027563]

>>11027525
>social democracy leads inevitably to fascism
Something I never said, as keep having to repeat to you...
>Why does it matter if socdem policies went into fascism when so many other political movements did too
Because otherwise you don't actually history? History without footnotes is not history at all

[Anonymous No.11027570]

>>11026270
2pbp

[Anonymous No.11027584]

>>11027563
socialist policies didn't go into fascism. You still haven't provided one example.

[Anonymous No.11027592]

>>11027488
>When the state is governed by one authoritarian body under a command economy then individuals have the freedom to bear arms
I mean they can bear arms under other systems too. I'm arguing that it really doesn't have a lot of bearing on what the government was already going to do. The idea that history's monsters were always seem as such and would have been deterred by citizens, who were often their greatest supporters, were they only armed is silly.
For the record I do support the right to bear arms for personal protection, but I wouldn't be self-aggrandizing enough to suggest I'm keeping the government in line by doing so

[Anonymous No.11027629]

>>11027584
See
>>11027558
For socialist influences

Here are Syndicalist influences
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_syndicalism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_syndicalism

[Anonymous No.11027645]

>>11026911
Simply epic

[Anonymous No.11027698]

>>11027255
>Social democracy is the same as socialism
wot

[Anonymous No.11027700]

IT CAN'T HAPPEN
heeeeeerrrrreeeee

[Anonymous No.11027772]

>>11027698
Didn't say that either. *sigh* it's okay gumdrop you'll make it eventually

[Anonymous No.11027775]

>>11026235
how exactly is drumpf a dictator?

[Anonymous No.11027786]

The reason "it could never happen here" is because the second amendment was installed to keep it from happening here. But the progressive caucus in its quest for world domination decided to start stripping down gun rights and start importing millions of people who don't care about preserving america (first the Irish, then the Jews, then the Italians, now the Mexicans). """""Progressives"""""" like Lewis have only themselves to blame. If America was still a place where "it could never happen" every president would be an imitator of Andrew Jackson

[Anonymous No.11027791]

>>11027775
Because a long time New York Democrat put an (R) after his name and started talking about protectionistic policies.

It's totally fascism dude we gotta stop this

[Anonymous No.11027799]

>>11026283
>The only evil is violence and death done by human to human.
>in Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace – and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.

[Anonymous No.11027809]

>>11027799
you shut your fucking mouth, swiss clocks are a marvel of engineering

[Anonymous No.11027822]

>>11027799
>putting art above human life
Any book on this phenomenon?

[Anonymous No.11027827]

>>11026708
>There was no "pinochetian" movement, just an ordinary military dictatorship.
Yeah Pinochet wasn't a movement, it was just America flexing Japanese Empire style.

[Anonymous No.11027853]

>>11027775
>>11027791
He's not a dictator but he certainly wishes he was.
The administration has repeatedly expressed the belief that the purpose of law enforcement, judiciary and congess is to impose the presidential will.
Like, this bitch will literally not stop crying because he thinks the "checks and balances" you learned in elementary school are treacherous institutions all out to get him

[Anonymous No.11027864]

>>11027853
>doesn't like checks and balances standing in the way of his presidential agendas
so he's like literally every other president we've ever had then

[Anonymous No.11027867]

>>11027791
>Make concerted effort to derail investigation against you
>Gain support by pandering to racial animosity
>Incessantly attack the press
I'm not saying he is a dictator but uh he's not just some conservative """looking-out-for-the-little-guy""" type fellow.

[Anonymous No.11027896]

America has been a criminal rogue state since its inception, literally contributing nothing but wars and covert operations to the world.

[Anonymous No.11027927]

>>11027853
>He's not a dictator but he certainly wishes he was
>You see he thinks that the american uniparty is abusing checks and balances to minimize the executive branch
>Like lol whatever, the US government is the most trustworthy institution in the world
Hmm

[Anonymous No.11027932]

>>11027867
>Make concerted effort to derail *obviously contrived* investigation against you
Correction. If republicabs did this to Obama there would be no end to the bitching

[Anonymous No.11027990]

>>11027853
I doubt Trump even remembers having learned any of that in school. He coasted by on his wealth and hasn't read a book in decades.

[Anonymous No.11027998]

>>11027932
Republicans did this to Hillary via Benghazi and she sat through it without complaining because she knew she had done nothing wrong and the investigation found that.

Trump's been panicking and trying to end it because he knows the investigation is going to find something. If he had nothing to hide he wouldn't be so worried.

[Anonymous No.11028005]

>>11027932
>I-It's all just a witch hunt
>"Good goy" - Alex Jones

[Anonymous No.11028019]

>>11027864
Yes most Presidents have had their power checked, but most of them didn't respond by leaving departments with skeleton crews for years at a time because they are literally too fragile to be surrounded by anything but the most subservient yes men. He's also the only one I'm aware of to insist that his enemies are controlling the whole government.
>>11027927
>Minimize the executive branch
The executive branch is stronger in the 21st century than ever before, what are you smoking? Republicans and Dems both did a ton to expand the power of the office, and it's not like they've stopped Trump from doing any of the illegal shit the presidents before him did.
Like, I get it, he's a daddy's business guy so he's used to a kind of dictatorial power and upset that literally the entire country didn't just become his yes men. It would be scarier if he wasn't so visibly demented. The man can't keep a train of thought running for longer that a few minutes, so ultimately it just amounts to a man-baby throwing regular tantrums.

[Anonymous No.11028022]

>>11027853
>>11027853
America is no longer a republic, the real power no longer lies with the make believe 18th century genteel Whig democracy up there in Washington but with the corporations the media and the military industrial complex. Post war liberals made a deal with the devil, they got their civil rights legislation and rainbow Starbucks frappuccinos but at a great cost. Now that their whole house of cards is coming down, the Faustian nature of the bargain becomes evident, as liberals retreat into Cold War paranoia and mindless deference to corporations and the security state. I see the musical "Hamilton" as a perfect illustration of the shortcomings of the Obama era. The slave owning founding fathers transfigured into groovy Pee Oh Cees the reckoning of the 1960s deferred yet again. Trump is not a dictator, but a sick joke aimed at you and all your phony aspirations.

[Anonymous No.11028151]

>>11026289
>tfw brainlet

[Anonymous No.11028178]

>>11027896
Cry more, eurocuck.

[Anonymous No.11028295]

>>11027896

[Anonymous No.11030135]

>>11026282
It's dry as all hell, but worth a read for the insight.

[Anonymous No.11030150]

>>11027153
>HURR I COULD BEAT YOU UP
>SOMEHOW THIS MAKES ME BETTER THAN YOU
Amerishits, everyone.

[Anonymous No.11030156]

>>11026235
Oh darling it is important that you believe me bap bap bap

[Anonymous No.11030187]

>>11027822
Read Evolas Metaphysics of War. If you are new to his works I suggest starting from his first political book, revolt against the modern world

[Anonymous No.11030207]

>>11027153
A flag like this?

[Anonymous No.11030285]

I hate 4chan. I really fucking hate this place. Ever since /pol/ came back around and infected every inch of this website with their stupid fucking opinions it has been a never ending shitpost extravaganza. I don't know why I go in to any of these threads expecting people to talk about anything other than nylon haired Cheeto man or that insane bitch shillary or "da joows" or blacks or whatever flavor of the month topic everyone wants to blame the world's problems on. I can't even laugh at any of it

[Anonymous No.11030364]

>>11028022
>>11027153
>>/reddit/

[Anonymous No.11030431]

>>11030285
People have hated jews for a long time though

[Anonymous No.11030544]

>>11027822
If humans didn't kill other humans, the agricultural revolution would have never happened and we'd still be living in caves with an average lifespan of less than 30 years.

[Anonymous No.11030567]

>>11028019
>The executive branch is stronger in the 21st century than ever before, what are you smoking
>Constantly gets blocked by the 9yhr circuit
>States actively refuse to enforce federal law in cases of immigration
>I'm the one smoking crack because you're not keeping up with the news

Oh god, what worse is just the endless train of dehumanizing ad homs that are almost completely baseless.
>Trump is Narcissistic baby man with a small dick and is just riding off of daddy's money etc

Like it never occurs to you people that you've fallen for yellow journalism , does it?

[Anonymous No.11030573]

>>11027998
>Republicans did this to Hillary via Benghazi
>Maybe if I just blame all of Benghazi on a video I can seem more innocent in the eyes of the public

Oh you mean the investigation didn't deem this behavior as illegal? No she was just incompetent then she and Obama bombed Libya back into the slave trade by murdering another secular dictator in Bush Jr style

[Anonymous No.11031187]

>>11026283
Viviocentrism. No matter if you're of the school of Peterson or someone like Arendt with her retarded "radical evil", you need to fuck off.

[Anonymous No.11031740]

>>11030573
Listen, Benghazi was a fuckup, but the Republicans tried to frame it as some grand conspiracy masterminded by Hillary Clinton, which it was not.

[Anonymous No.11032028]

>>11026341
Sweetie...

[Anonymous No.11033258]

>>11032028
What, bitch?

[Anonymous No.11033604]

Leftists are psychologically (and probably also on some level neuro-biologically) incapable of understanding the right. They have no reason to understand the right.

[Anonymous No.11033608]

>>11033604
Why do you people treat "leftists" like some sort of slur but are incapable of saying "rightist"? It's always "the right", as if one word exists but the other doesn't.

[Anonymous No.11033618]

>>11033604
And that's why Hitller and Goebbels once said that some of the most ardent Nazi party members were former Communist party members.

[Anonymous No.11033627]

>>11030567
>Like it never occurs to you people that you've fallen for yellow journalism , does it?

yeah these clearly are the words of a stable genius

[Anonymous No.11033639]

>>11026270
>and by some Chilean general about thirty years ago

[Anonymous No.11033643]

>>11033627
Seriously. It's absurd people cry "fake news" when you can literally look at Trump directly and see any number of insane things. I'm concerned for the mental health of anyone who listens to Trump speak and thinks "Yeah, I like the things this guy has to say."

[Anonymous No.11033644]

any1 even suggesting that this man is even petulant or immature is clearly commie trash!!

[Anonymous No.11033648]

>>11033608
>Why do you people treat "leftists" like some sort of slur but are incapable of saying "rightist"? It's always "the right", as if one word exists but the other doesn't.
No entirely sure who you think "us people" are, or if I would even fit within the bounds of that box, but I will attempt to provide some insight in to your noted linguistic disparity. "The left" exists. "The right" does not. Hence people find it generally much easier, either on a conscious or subconscious level, to refer to "the left" and its adherents ("leftists") in a more definite sense. Almost always when describing "the right" or "rightists" one must add some sort of qualifier to actually give meaning to this descriptor, otherwise it is just an empty, meaningless vacuity.

[Anonymous No.11033650]

>>11030567
>Oh god, what worse is just the endless train of dehumanizing ad homs that are almost completely baseless.

omfg, a right wing retard complaining about "dehumanizing ad homs" I've seen everything now hahahahahahah

[Anonymous No.11033652]

>>11033648
>"The left" exists. "The right" does not.
Oh, so you're retarded.

[Anonymous No.11033657]

>>11033643
>I'm concerned for the mental health of anyone who listens to Trump speak and thinks "Yeah, I like the things this guy has to say."
I believe you should be eliminated from society as well.

[Anonymous No.11033659]

>>11033648
>"The left" exists. "The right" does not.
how solipsistic of you

[Anonymous No.11033662]

>>11033657
See, what did I say? You're mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.11033664]

>>11033657
so this is the power of the totally non fascist "tolerant right"

[Anonymous No.11033667]

>>11033652
we are the many
*teleports behind you*
we are no one
*unsheathes evola*
nothing personnel kiddo

[Anonymous No.11033675]

>>11027288
I agree and I voted for him but you need to go back.

[Anonymous No.11033697]

>>11033652
>Oh, so you're retarded.
Perhaps I did not go as far as I should have in explaining my line of reasoning. That, or you are not bright enough (a "real brainlet" as the kids are saying) to understand where I was going. "The Left" exists in the sense it is a "positive" ideology, insofar as "leftists" have an idea of their ideal society, an end goal. All of their actions, no matter how large or small work towards this end goal. What is the end goal? Total egalitarianism. For this reason there are no "moderates" or "extremes" on the left, only disagreements over how quickly and with what strategy this end goal should be pursued. The works of "moderate" leftists, no matter how much derision and scorn they receive from the more "extreme" leftists (e.g. "liberals get the bullet too"), all work towards the ultimate goal of "the left". "The right" is simply that which is not "the left". It is defined wholly in the negative, and in this sense does not exist. A survey of history will show you that "the right" has never had one central doctrine, one centrals set of tactics, or any sort of ideological coherence across the whole span of "the right". "Rightist" groups, by their nature, will often have nothing in common with each other, other than the fact that they are not "the left". Even modern surveys of the political positions of "right" political parties display a far greater degree of diversity of ideology when compared to their "left" counterparts on the other side of the "center".

[Anonymous No.11033710]

>>11033662
>See, what did I say? You're mentally ill.
Which will be your excuse for my eventual disenfranchisement and the destruction of my bloodline. My act of resistance to your attempts to destroy me is simply further proof to you of my pathological defect.
>>11033664
>so this is the power of the totally non fascist "tolerant right"
The "tolerant right" does not, and cannot, exist.

[Anonymous No.11033955]

>>11026282
It's a fun read imo.

[Anonymous No.11033978]

>>11026235
I'd rather live in a dictatorship than a consumerist theocracy though.

[Anonymous No.11034150]

>>11033697
None of that pseudointellectual spew makes any sense to anyone with a functioning brain.

[Anonymous No.11034194]

>>11034150
>2018
>not being mentally ill

[Anonymous No.11034332]

>>11026355

some of us are fighting for our LIVES bigot, you need to educate yourself via reading your various news feeds ugh

[Anonymous No.11034868]

>>11034332
WHAT?

[Anonymous No.11036148]

>>11034868
WHAT?

[Anonymous No.11036177]

>>11034332
>some of us are fighting for our LIVES
Write about it itt. It will be a blast.

[Anonymous No.11036295]

>>11027235
>>11026708
>>11026270
>Moby-Dick isn't a novel! It's a romance! You dunderhead! Discussion over!!

[Anonymous No.11036302]

>lol trumps a retard
>which is why he was able to mass collude with russia and completely undermine muh democracy

[Anonymous No.11036346]

>>11036302
Ah yes, all that happened had a direct correlation with Trump’s massive intellect and deep understanding of all his affairs

[Anonymous No.11036465]

>>11027280
>>11027300
Retards. Global fertility rate has been steadily dropping for decades even if the birth rates are still going up for a while. But that's going to end this century. In 2118 there will be less people on the planet than there currently are in 2018, and that's without any global war memery.

[Anonymous No.11036467]

>burgerpolitics

[Anonymous No.11037040]

>>11036346
It's like people don't understand that Trump's not the only one involved in his campaign. They keep appealing to his supposed personal intelligence when all that has to happen is someone says "Hey Donald why don't we do this" and he says "Sure go ahead."

[Anonymous No.11037153]

>>11036465
only in the west and east asia, mud people are still outbreeding everyone else

[Anonymous No.11037331]

>>11033618
>How dare you guys call us Nazis!
>N-no, YOU are the Nazis!

[Anonymous No.11037339]

>>11037331
idiot: the post

[Anonymous No.11037357]

>>11037339
But enough about your post.

[Anonymous No.11037364]

>>11037357
You didn't understand what I wrote, at all.

[Anonymous No.11037388]

>>11037364
But enough about you.

[Anonymous No.11037416]

>>11026663
>being this made you couldn't get a Halloween MAGA hat

[Anonymous No.11037439]

>>11037416
What the fuck, I hadn't heard about this. This is actually a pretty sweet hat if not for the stupid text on the back. And the $45 price tag. Seriously I do not understand how anyone can support a man who charges $45 for a mere hat. I can get two shirts for that price.

[Anonymous No.11037447]

>>11026911
she lost get over yourself

[Anonymous No.11037454]

>>11037447
Can you honestly say that if Trump had lost you wouldn't still be crying about it?

[Anonymous No.11037459]

>>11027268
>belief in strongman who can save the state
see Emmanuel Macron
>belief that multiculturalism will destroy the West
see the state of France
>belief that nationalism trumps individuality
it's just about sharing core values, which is the main reason why a large portion of "French" people don't respect the state
>blind trust in the military
see Iraq War (few of them actually supported it)

[Anonymous No.11037463]

>>11037459
I don't know what you're on about but I personally saw people on /pol/ trying to swing the election in favor of Le Pen.

[Anonymous No.11037469]

>>11037454
no I would not be screaming at the sky or shouting she will not divide us

[Anonymous No.11037475]

>>11037469
HWNDU was over a year ago.

Get over it.

[Anonymous No.11037491]

>>11037475
the election was over a year ago deal with it

[Anonymous No.11037495]

>>11037491
>N-no you!
Pathetic

[Anonymous No.11037502]

>>11037495
your the one constanly bitching i'm just laughing at your stupidity

[Anonymous No.11037504]

>>11037502
>your

[Anonymous No.11037526]

>>11037463
Since when /pol/ has any crediblity?

Emmanuel Marcon is currently seen as a powerful president, a strongman (as opposed to the former President Hollande, or even Marine le Pen), even though he was the most liberal of the bunch.

[Anonymous No.11037907]

>>11037153
No, globally. Even in the countries where they still have very high birth rates, the fertility rate is dropping.

[Anonymous No.11037935]

>>11027378
If any dissenting generals have access to nuclear weapons, it's game over. The war has ended before it even started.

[Anonymous No.11038186]

>>11036295
Your post is not a fair or honest representation of the arguments that you're responding to.

[Anonymous No.11038704]

>>11038186
Sure. Whatever you say.

[Anonymous No.11039398]

>>11026494
I'm going to assume this is a troll post.

[Anonymous No.11039442]

>>11028295
sh-shutup!

[Anonymous No.11039529]

>>11039398
I'm going to assume this is a troll post.

[Anonymous No.11040492]

Did anyone else think that Doremus was a bit of a stuck up twat and just bitter that Buzz Windrip was favouring the plebs? It's the impression i got reading it years ago, it may be because the book starts in a Rotary club at a high class dinner


>>11037459
>see Emmanuel Macron

Macron is more a uniting figure that tries to (or appear to at least) rise above left and right. Ive noticed it's a thing in French history with Napoleon, Charles de Gaulle doing similar things

[Anonymous No.11040573]

>>11040492
I don't know, I couldn't make it past the first few pages of this book because the dialogue was rambling nonsense. I dropped it and read Neuromancer instead.

[Anonymous No.11041119]

>>11030544
agriculture was a mistake

[Anonymous No.11041121]

>>11036302
Reminds me of bush and 9/11 kek
fuck american politics

[Anonymous No.11041183]

>>11041121
Oh you mean the guy who was proven to be lying to us about using 9/11 as an excuse to enter Iraq on false pretenses?

Yeah you're right, it is like Bush. An idiot who became president because being an idiot doesn't stop you from becoming president in America. And then that idiot was caught redhanded and went down as one of the worst presidents in history.

[Anonymous No.11041366]

>>11030150
> Responding to obvious bait
>"ameri(insert petty insult)"
The cancer killing 4chan.

[Anonymous No.11041432]

>>11030285
YOU are the only thing that doesn't belong in here.
Why do faggit newfags complain about the edgy /pol/-tier rhetoric that's been of 4chan's culture for a long time already and then think they can judge the site like they own the place. YOU FAGGOTS are the cancer that sprung up RECENTLY, and since then, we have to deal with same kind of histrionic spineless basedboy who embarassingly spouts "muh nazi, le fuck off" and loses it like a bitch when someone says a mean word. Newfags have NO SAY on the site's endemic subculture! You either like it or you leave it; your imput is not needed.

[Anonymous No.11041484]

>>11041432

edgy /pol/-tier rhetoric /=/ KEK KEK ONIONS ONIONS MAGA MAGA SHILL SHILL STOP MAKING FUN OF DADDY DRUMPF

I bet you think /pol/ has always been a GOP echochamber you fucking newfag

[Anonymous No.11041513]

>>11027235
>>11026270
I've met plenty of marxists who unironically believe that Mussolini and Gentile don't know shit about what fascism really is.
It's pointless to explain to them that fascism is a 1) totalitarian 2) modernist 3) third-positionist 4) imperialistic ideology.
To them "fascism" is basically any right wing person that seriously objects to progressivism.

[Anonymous No.11041658]

>>11041513
>To them "fascism" is basically any right wing person that seriously objects to progressivism.
or any left wing ideology as soon as it goes wrong

[Anonymous No.11041807]

An American dictator can't happen unless under the radical left who take their talking points at face value for the sake of having something to stand for the next day. Any truly authoritarian regime would be met with extensive force for undermining The Constitution and everything that it stand for. Not going to happen in our lifetime as long as weapons are legal. The US army has stealth bombers and predator strikes so it would be fooling to think that appealing the 2nd amendment would make our society safer. Welcome to pure freedom. Try and stop US.

[Anonymous No.11041830]

>>11041807
>under the radical left who take their talking points at face value for the sake of having something to stand for the next day
t. "Take away the guns and do due process later brah, it's just a social experiment"
t. "When you arrest people just abuse them a bit, nothing wrong with that brah"
t. "Just kill drug dealers bro, what's the worst that can happen"
t. "Boy do I love every strongman I meet they are so cool"
t."OMGZ A LEFTIE CALLED ME A FASCIST WHAAA WHY ARE THEY SO INTOLERANT AND VIOLENT"

[Anonymous No.11041849]

>>11041830
youre proving my point

[Anonymous No.11041857]

>>11041849
how?

[Anonymous No.11041865]

>implying fascism is bad

[Anonymous No.11041870]

>>11041484
onions?

[Anonymous No.11041875]

>>11041870
(s) o y got filtered to onions

[Anonymous No.11041880]

>>11041875
what?

[Anonymous No.11041890]

>>11041880
Onions

[Anonymous No.11041892]

>Obama literally does nothing against the 2A
>https://www.thoughtco.com/obama-gun-laws-passed-by-congress-3367595

HURR DURR DICTATOR REEEE

>Drumpf suggests taking away guns without due process, suggest jailing reporters to "send a message", admires every strong man and banana republic dicator he comes across, etc etc

HURR DURR OBAMA IS THE DICTATOR ONE OH SAY CAN YOU SEEE

[Anonymous No.11041903]

>>11026341
Trump couldn't be a dictator even if he wanted to by the very law granted to the executive branch... don't get me wrong, the executive branch has crosses a line since FDR who was given a pass because of The Great Depression, but the executive branch needs to be reeled in... especially the executive order and war power laws. These laws are a breach of the constitution and the constitutional intention. Think about it.

[Anonymous No.11041916]

>>11026283
>The only evil is violence and death done by human to human
Citation needed

[Anonymous No.11041920]

>>11026282
>>11041432
>>11041484
>>11041807
>>11041830
>>11041892
>>11041903
There are people who honestly (unironically, in retard speak) believe /lit/ is a forum for ideas and that you might encounter interesting, well thought out ideas. Boggles the mind.

[Anonymous No.11041927]

>>11041920
Doesn't know anything about American history or even an inkling about the USA system of government. Doesn't surprise me coming from a britbong.

[Anonymous No.11041948]

>>11041903
so you're complaining that Trump is being hindered by the executive branch, as if that was a bad thing.

so you be saying you actually want Trump to be a dictator.....

[Anonymous No.11041961]

>>11041948
>don't get me wrong, the executive branch has crosses a line since FDR
Are you retarded? I never even hinted that insane proposal. Grow the fuck up and read a history book. The executive branch is out of order. Since FDR. That includes every "republican and democrat" that has taken office since then. Think for yourself.

[Anonymous No.11042015]

>>11041948
Do u no how 2 read words?

[Anonymous No.11042023]

>>11041865
How do I find a qt3.14 Third Position gf /lit/?

[Anonymous No.11042031]

16 year olds out in force, huh?

[Anonymous No.11042366]

>>11042031
Yes, it seems the Trump voters have arrived...

[Anonymous No.11044111]

Yikes!

[Anonymous No.11044929]

>>11026235
I was a leftist for most of my youth, an edgy leftist but a leftist nonetheless, but not anymore, you gave me no other choice, I have finally moved on and left my leftist ways behind, I don't care about the blue haired queers and 35 year old jewish cat ladies, fuck them, fuck those 'marginalized voices' too, I'm embracing in dialectical turn my very own extremely edgy and ill-defined far right death cult apocalyptic terror ideology. A one man Reich, at once Wehrmacht, Volksgemeinschaft and Fuhrer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJSsbXDBWXs

[Anonymous No.11044956]

>>11033643
Trump is not human, he is archetypal, the fact that he eats only McDonalds Cheesburgers is testament to his all American purity, Trump doesn't need Bannon, he doesn't need no one, he is realer than real, he's a hero, he's a rockstar, he's the truth, he's Making America Great Again, he's Making America Great Again, he's Making America Great Again, Just look at the DOW, he's working MAGIC, Donnie has the magic, He's untouchable, he's indestructible, he is the dream, he is the ultimate... Donald Trump exists in an different plane of reality from the rest of us, the hyperreal incarnation of the American spirit, a Reagan-Christ for the age of Twitter and cable news, the first of a new breed of supermen, the blond beast, the lion MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA

[Anonymous No.11044972]

>>11026235
I agree with (((Mr. Lewis))) that just because the United States spent hundreds of thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars defeating Nazi Germany, you can tell just by looking at these fucking goyim that they're going to holocaust all of God's Chosen at any moment and that their continued existence is a threat to us all.

[Anonymous No.11044998]

>>11042366
What'd you expect with this retarded bait thread?

[Tommy Horan No.11045035]

>>11026294
Trump was predicted in the Bible, fool.

[Anonymous No.11045096]

>>11026270
This is what happens when you replace the Devil with Fascism in your new founding myth

[Anonymous No.11045156]

>>11030150
Politics most exalted form is War.
buttmad betas that can't into warfare will be purged.

[Anonymous No.11045158]

>>11033639
Pinochet was a jewish stooge from day one, sold out Chile to Friedman and his tribe, making it the degenerate IMF marrano state it is now. Google Miguel Serrano.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UiqTNCnFv8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BdKmfLHYTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPLDDUabAXk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMpOZ1Vg6Nk


>>11045096
>>11026270
I am a fascist myself and I am convinced there is indeed something Mysterious and Primordial about Fascism. It is like a natural immune reaction that kicks in whenever the Kali Yuga gets too degenerate. I will follow the Green Ray beyond the Black Sun and onwards to Agartha where the masters of my masters dwell, to the edges of the earthly disc, beyond Antartica, where the Fuhrer slumbers and the flying saucers of the SS await the final hour of vengeance. I hold true to the Eternal Archetypes of the Fuhrer, I have surrendered to the fateful mysteries of the runes and the occultic hitlerite Ritual that harks back to Babylon and the Vedas, to the primordial Aryan of the Wide-Empty steppe. Love Will Begin When the World Ends. The end will not come if we wait. The Apocalypse is an active praxis.

[Anonymous No.11045161]

>>11045158
i'm a fascist too. where do you go to school? meet up?

[Anonymous No.11045170]

>>11026341
>Bush was a dictator
>Obama was a dictator
>Trump is a dictator

Man I bet in 3-7 years from now we'll elect another Dictator. America is a CRAZY COUNTRY.

[Anonymous No.11045172]

>>11045170
the next election is in 2020. lurn ur math, brah

[Anonymous No.11045182]

>>11041865
well it didn't exactly work

[Anonymous No.11045189]

>>11045182
Worked pretty well for David Bowie

[Anonymous No.11045197]

>>11045172
Whatever, my point still stands the "news" is makes you think the President is a monster because it gets them views.

[Anonymous No.11045201]

>>11045189
Yeah and he's dead now
Fascism kills

[Anonymous No.11045206]

>>11045182
Doesn't mean it wouldn't work in the future.

[Anonymous No.11045212]

>>11045206
David Bowie was from the future and he already proved that it worked there.

[Anonymous No.11045227]

>>11045206
why don't we give communism another try when we have robots then?
More people are lining up to try that again rather than fascism

[Anonymous No.11045232]

>>11045197
The President of the United States has been recorded on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women, lusting after his own daughter, and bragging about being able to look at 17 yr old girls getting changed

but nah, it's the lamestream media and their Fake News (TM) who paint the President as the imbecile creep fuck that he is, and not his own words because...reasons

[Anonymous No.11045234]

>>11044998
Lmao at all that so-called "reality." That's a bait image, right?

[Anonymous No.11045235]

>>11045232
Obama was recorded on video flaunting his erection to a planeful of reporters, who suppressed the recording (it only came out after he left office).

Imbecile creep fuck = Obama.

[Anonymous No.11045238]

>>11045232
Bidens a creep too. What do you want exactly

[Anonymous No.11045243]

>>11045238
>>11045235
>literally responding with whataboutism (none of which is actually proven)
How much is Putin paying you?

[Anonymous No.11045244]

>>11045232
And Bill Clinton raped Juanita Broaddrick. That does not make Clinton Stalin or Trump Hitler.

Our leaders are crap but what's crappier is wasting your life obsessing and getting angry over them.

[Anonymous No.11045246]

>>11045238
>whatabout
>>11045235
>whatabout

[Anonymous No.11045248]

>>11045227
the vast majority of ''people'', the shoddy denizens of this cursed earth are in truth no better than robots, they are the slaves of Atlantis, they can only corrupt and degrade us with their 'logical' thinking and their blindness to what is beautiful and true. The future belongs to us, us whose immortal souls have fallen from the stars, the poet-warriors of Agartha. There are also (((those))) who come from different stars, the enemies, it is (((they)) who we must defeat.

[Anonymous No.11045249]

>>11045246
They really do it every time, don't they?

[Anonymous No.11045253]

>>11045244
Trump has 17 women who have accused him of sexual assault, his own ex wife accused him of rape

>B-BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME

[Anonymous No.11045257]

>>11045234
The facts cited there are real, as is this.

[Anonymous No.11045261]

>>11045253
So what? How does that impact my fucking life or yours?

Keep wasting your time getting mad over Trump, I'm going to just have fun.

[Anonymous No.11045262]

>>11045257
You cannot provide a single shred of proof. I'm sure of this.

[Anonymous No.11045267]

>>11045261
>why can't we all have le fun xD

[Anonymous No.11045272]

>>11045267
>I'M GONNA BE MAD AND READ BLOG POSTINGS ABOUT DRUMPF AND WRITE ANGRY COMMENTS ON THE INTERNET! I'M A HERO!

[Anonymous No.11045281]

>>11045253
Trump has gone Through the Looking-Glass into the ultimate realm of hyperrreality. None of the ''dirt'' you shrieking libs, spook freaks and NYT feminist harpies ''have'' on Trump will ever touch him. Truth is, most people hate you and your ways and would rather fight to the death instead of surrendering to and endless YAS KWEEN SLAY politically correct ''utopia'' .

[Anonymous No.11045282]

>>11045272
>why you mad xD xD he won get over it xD
t. someone who cried for the last 8 years about Obama

[Anonymous No.11045284]

>>11045261
>does having an imbecile of a President who is one imbecile tweet away from tanking the economy and fucking up your job because while he's taking a dump, and the diarrhea from last night's McDonalds is slowly dripping out of his weak asshole, he thinks to himself "MMMM I THINK TODAY I'LL ANNOUNCE SOME TARIFFS WITHOUT CONSULTING WITH MY ECONOMIC ADVISERS LOL #YOLO" really affect your life bro? like seriously just chill it's a social experiment

but omg remember that time Obama used dijon mustard on his hamburger?

[Anonymous No.11045286]

>>11045281
>Truth is, most people
TIL a dying generation of boomers is considered "most people"

[Anonymous No.11045288]

>>11045243
>>11045246
>>11045249
Retards.

It's not incorrect to point out that leftists accuse their opponents of things they are guilty of, and that they would not care about if their opponent was on their side.

[Anonymous No.11045291]

>>11045262
Res ipsa loquitur.

[Anonymous No.11045299]

>>11045288
>OMG BIDEN APPEARS TOO CLOSE TO SOME WOMEN IN SOME PHOTOS
>THAT'S THE SAME AS BRAGGING ABOUT SEXUALLY ASSAULTING WOMEN AND HAVING YOUR OWN WIFE ACCUSE YOU OF RAPE AND BRAGGING ABOUT LOOKING AT 17 YR OLDS GETTING CHANGED!

[Anonymous No.11045303]

>>11045286
dude, I'm 21 and ready to die for President Trump and my people if necessary, most of my white male freinds would do the same, you should get out of your elite liberal bubble and see what's actually happening out there, I'm just a pissed off Honky, there are millions like me

[Anonymous No.11045308]

>>11045288
see>>11045299
Trumptards are the masters at Mental Gymnastics

[Anonymous No.11045309]

>>11045284
>>11045282
>Mistaking the Apathy Party for consevatism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oELL7hfKYfA
Politics isn't Black and White children.

[Anonymous No.11045310]

>>11045299

[Anonymous No.11045315]

>>11045308
>Trumptards are the masters at Mental Gymnastics
Hurr durr

[Anonymous No.11045323]

>>11045299
...

[Anonymous No.11045327]

>>11026270
It's not a mysterious primordial evil, it's just any position that takes victory over the other to be more important than sustaining a reasonable debate. It's like playing soccer by throwing the ball with your hands and threatening the referee to score it as a goal.

[Anonymous No.11045337]

>>11045323

thank god america is a two party state and there is someone to point out what a creep that old bastard is, republicans are shit, but democrats are pure sleaze

[Anonymous No.11045353]

Note screaming whatabout doesnt mean I dont address trump as not sleazy. Such a lazy fallacy to scream

[Anonymous No.11045363]

>>11045284
I just want the world to burn, I want everyday life transfigured into the stuff of dreams. liberals want the indefinite extension of the insufferable present.

[Anonymous No.11045382]

>>11045337
>>11045323
>>11045310
oh lord look at all that pussy grabbing and wife raping omgz both parties are the same!

[Anonymous No.11045400]

>>11026235
Chapter one is amazing, but the book after the election of the guy falls apart

The characters are horribly bland.

[Anonymous No.11045413]

>>11026341
In the book the prez abolishes the congress in his first week and basically adopts Huey long's platform

[Anonymous No.11045456]

>>11026442
>Pinochet's chile

So much for the "colletivist" part. You would have said Peron's Argentina if you weren't an idiot

>Franco
Anon told you to list dictatorships who were not allied with fascist Italy and nazi Germany. Surprise- Salazar and Franco were allied with Mussolini and Hitler and can be considered historical fascist regimes, even if the former were more fucused with religion

[Anonymous No.11045483]

>>11026911
Can you imagine hazbollah propaganda with a blond girl with a cross on her neck?
That's why this patriotic liberalism his do cringey

[Anonymous No.11045498]

>>11027125
I hope this is bait

[Anonymous No.11045507]

>>11045253

democrats took Trump's donations gladly throughout his entire life

[Anonymous No.11045527]

>>11027238
>>11027245
Except you faggots are afraid of guns

[Anonymous No.11045546]

>>11027282
>crafty little rat he was

Doesn't surprise me. The story that he had Jewish ancestry circulates since the 60s

[Anonymous No.11045553]

>>11045382
>allegations vs hard video proof that the guy is fuckimg weird

Truly the same

[Anonymous No.11045563]

>>11045553
>a recording of the guy admitting it is an allegation now
omgz they're both the same

[Anonymous No.11045662]

>>11045563
> rich guy says hollywood bimbos let rich guys grope them because they are rich

wow i bet trump wants to grab my pussy too IMPEACH BLUMPF

[Anonymous No.11046109]

Lmao anyone who thinks Trump's presidency is effectively over is deluding himself. The investigation is set to wrap up in June and when it does he's out of there.

[Anonymous No.11046794]

>use Nazi terminology, wave swastika around
"Lol why are they calling us Nazis XD, way to wear out that word so it means nothing LMAO *throws Nazi salute*"

[Anonymous No.11046913]

>>11030285
I fucking this comments. Go to fucking r/eddit, it's literally what you're asking for.
Want an hug box that loves niggers and worship pie nie the science guy like a god? (I dunno his fucking name)
That's the place for you
Want post you don't like do be deleted?
That's the place for you
Want to use this petty, 14yo-like insults like cheeto and likes of it?
Again, go there

[Anonymous No.11046920]

>>11030567
Stop with this 9th circ meme. The ban has become law a year ago

[Anonymous No.11046937]

>>11033643
That's because you're a moron who puts form over substance and has no sense of humor
Take the shithole countries comment. I was "I really like what this guy has to say"

Or maybe you just love black cock and don't understand how is possible that somebody doesn't want to end up in South Africa 2.0

[Anonymous No.11046947]

>>11033650
>right wing retard
>you racist against poc ooga booga you use ad hom against poc
>hypiocrazy :DDD
>me smart!

[Anonymous No.11046960]

>>11033664
>I'm the only one who can say that fascists should get killer by a firing squad

Yeah, you should be eliminated, but not in concentration camp, more in some eugenics clinic, one of those where nazis put retards in

[Anonymous No.11046970]

>>11034150
You're retarded if you think he wanted to sound intellectual.