/sffg/ - Science Fiction and Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.10994640]

Memes Edition
>most expected books of 2018
>recent releases of 2018

FANTASY
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Flowchart:
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SCIENCE FICTION
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General:
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NPR's Top 100 Science Fiction & Fantasy Books:
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SF&F author listing with ratings and summaries:
>http://greatsfandf.com/authors-full-list.php

Previous Threads:
>>10982428
>>10967480
>>10949440
>>10906839

[Anonymous No.10994675]

The Final Empire should've remained as a standalone IMO.

[Anonymous No.10994752]

>>10994675
why are you picking the awful paperback covers? I've only read the first book so far and I think I'd need to reread it if I wanted to make sense of the rest again. Interesting magic system, but not really a fan of the characters themselves.

[Anonymous No.10994765]

sanderfag a hack

[Anonymous No.10994770]

>>10994765
stfu

[Anonymous No.10994772]

Webnovels are novels too

[Anonymous No.10994779]

Now Wait for Last Year was alright. I am reading Counter-clock World now.
>you'll never read TES lore by PKD

>>10994640
It blows my mind that Spoony has been doing the same attention craving schtick for a decade at least.

>>10994675
It had far too much to introduce but I think it could have easily been a duology.

[Anonymous No.10994782]

>>10994640
What a fantastic book. I thought I was being memed but I gave Library at Mount Char a try after anon's incessant spamming and it was just a treat. Parts of it had that sort of fever dream quality of Gormenghast or Dhalgren, but with more story and structure to back it up. It's like something written by a male Neil Gaimen. The first part was a bit patchy, but all paid off in retrospect after getting to the end. The first thing I wanted to do after finishing was start again. Haven't felt that in a while. There was a scene I badly wanted to see that wasn't there, and some elements came in and out of the story quite abruptly, but overall a big winning combination of story, characters, setting, mood, tone and exotic imagery.

Thank you, shill anon.

[Anonymous No.10994791]

>>10994782
>There was a scene I badly wanted to see that wasn't there
The male protag reuniting with his dog? samesies

[Anonymous No.10994800]

>>10994791
Pretty close -- I really wanted to see Naga on the Serengeti look up and see Steve's first rising, understanding he'd finally come through for her.

[Anonymous No.10994807]

I''ve only read Prince of Thorns so far and I didn't it was that bad. How bad could the 2nd and 3rd books possibly be? I hope I end up liking it a lot just so I can buy pic related.

[Anonymous No.10994809]

>womemes
>writers

[Anonymous No.10994825]

>>10994770
no u

[Anonymous No.10994826]

>>10994800
My mental model of Steve was Steve from Stranger Things throughout that entire book.

[Anonymous No.10994830]

>>10994807
Prince of Fools is way better.

[Anonymous No.10994835]

should fantasy be grounded and realistic or should it bend the laws in regards to what's believable?

[Anonymous No.10994838]

>>10994835
i think both have their place.
i like fantasy that seems logical but somethimes i just wanna read fucking anime.

[Anonymous No.10994839]

>>10994772
No they are not. Stop spamming this shit every fucking thread.

[Anonymous No.10994845]

>>10994839
But they are, though. It's not editors and publishers that make something a novel but authors and form.

[Anonymous No.10994847]

>>10994835
It's called 'fantasy' for a reason. It can be anything it wants to be.

[Anonymous No.10994854]

>>10994782
You're welcomed.

[Anonymous No.10994857]

>>10994845
That's where you're wrong kiddo.

[Anonymous No.10994860]

>>10994835
as long as it's consistent, fantasy shouldn't mean you can bullshit anything with timey wimey

[Anonymous No.10994901]

>>10994640
So what books are similar to Dark Souls?

[Anonymous No.10994906]

>>10994901
does Berserk count?

am i a faggot for having the dark souls games as a source of inspiration for my story?

[Anonymous No.10994911]

>>10994906
NO!

[Anonymous No.10994915]

>>10994901
I've seen this girl as a trap getting spit roasted.

[Anonymous No.10994996]

I really didn't like Magician but I've read two Feist books since and actually like both of them

Might have to start questioning the consensus that he got worse over time

[Anonymous No.10995002]

>>10994996
imo anything he writes where the MC isn't a mage is alright

[Anonymous No.10995011]

>>10994752
Agreed listened to the first book, started the second. Turned it off. Almost done with malazan. Not sure how the commute is going to go after this. Solid three hrs some days..

[Anonymous No.10995040]

>>10994752
>why are you picking the awful paperback covers?
>Buying books that look like a Magic the Gathering card pack
Lmao you funny anon

[Anonymous No.10995142]

>>10994996
Actually the best thing he ever did was the side-trilogy with Janny Wurts.

[Anonymous No.10995151]

>>10994911
"no" what?

[Anonymous No.10995248]

>>10994915
>girl

[Anonymous No.10995492]

>>10994752
>>10994675
I don't really get the hype for Sanderson's magic systems. They seem really gimmicky and uninteresting to me. Now his world building on the other hand, is a lot more interesting. It just takes so long to sift it out of the fluff.

[Anonymous No.10995504]

>>10994835
As long as the writer knows what they're doing anything should be made believable. That's the cornerstone of fantasy. If you have trouble suspending your disbelief then you're in the wrong genre.

[Anonymous No.10995541]

>>10994675
Paperback Vin was such a cutie

[Anonymous No.10995625]

Hyperion? More like Hyperioh no what a turd of a book

[Anonymous No.10995646]

Can I read the chronicles of black company as standalone book?

[Anonymous No.10995688]

Free Dick (download): http://b-ok.xyz/s/?q=Flow+my+tears+the+policeman+said

[Anonymous No.10995795]

anyone have this edition? how's the quality

[Anonymous No.10995842]

>>10995795
It's the same book but with a different cover you twat

[Anonymous No.10995901]

>>10995795
its good

[Anonymous No.10995957]

>>10995842
i'm asking about the quality of the printing and paper, fuckface

[Anonymous No.10996253]

>>10995625
are you sure you didn't read read endymion instead

[Anonymous No.10996353]

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2018/04/the-50-best-fantasy-novels-of-the-21st-century.html?a=1

how does this make you feel, /lit/?

[Anonymous No.10996379]

>>10996353
could there be more fucking female authors and where the H*CK do they get off with that top 20

[Anonymous No.10996527]

>>10996353
>Terry twice
>putting authors with Terry in their names in the first place
>crow twice
>forced female authors who you haven't even heard about (Where is Kim Harrison??)

[Anonymous No.10996535]

>>10994807
His books are alright and nowhere near as bad as people on here claim. If you liked Prince of thorns then you'll enjoy the other two. Red Queen's War is better though

[Anonymous No.10996542]

>>10996353
proof of how retarded affirmative action is

[Anonymous No.10996568]

just read the first chapter of this, what am I in for?

[Anonymous No.10996573]

>>10996568
almost every female character is a massive cunt

[Anonymous No.10996582]

>>10995625
are you a fucking idiot?

[Anonymous No.10996600]

>>10996353
>top 3 is Name of the Wind, Way of Kings and Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallow
It makes me questioning the taste of whoever wrote the list.

[Anonymous No.10996603]

>>10996568
Mirrored stand lamps & braid tugging

[Anonymous No.10996622]

>>10996568
Modern characters with modern psychology swinging around magic swords in a Disneyland version of history.

[Anonymous No.10996670]

Why was 4chins down?
I nearly an hero'd

[Anonymous No.10996675]

>>10996568
a couple books that are great, followed by a couple that are okay, followed by a couple the are boring, followed by the Sanderson books which are okay but seem a lot better after the boring ones
>>10996622
have a (you)

[Anonymous No.10996688]

>>10996573
Is this series
>feminist for having strong women who don't take shit
>Anti-feminist for showing that women are bigger cunts than men when in positions of power
>or is the author just a hack that can't write female characters
Answer will determent whether I read it

[Anonymous No.10996691]

>>10996688
determine*

[Anonymous No.10996727]

>>10996688
most of the arrogant cunty ones eventually get broken one way or another and are typically either better characters afterwards, or either die or aren't seen again

big theme though is that at the end of the day women aren't any better than men when handed positions of unquestioned authority even when society thinks they are

[Anonymous No.10996734]

>>10996727
Just a warning as with every plot line in this story these can take a LONG time to finish developing

[Anonymous No.10996738]

>the traitor baru cormorant
what the fuck did i just read? she won alright but I didn't think it'd go down like that

[Anonymous No.10996811]

>>10996727
I've read in reviews and summaries, that even when female characters realise they've been dicks, they never seem to change their attitudes on men, is this true?

[Anonymous No.10996826]

>>10996811
The most notable example does change(Nynaeve), other than that it's almost a case by case basis, though some of the more major bitches end up meeting messy ends

[Anonymous No.10996827]

>>10996727
Does society really think that? Do you need a penis to screw over people with the long hard dick of the law?

[Anonymous No.10996836]

>>10996827
was talking about Wheel of time society,specifically in regards with Aes Sedai(cause boy does THAT particular illusion get shattered)

[Anonymous No.10996850]

>>10996738
Yeah, I thought I had predicted the ending but it just kept on going. Book 2 is coming late October.

[Anonymous No.10996856]

>>10996836
Ah, my bad. Might pick up the series, I have plenty of time to kill. I know most people think it went downhill after a while, does it at least have a well done conclusion?

[Anonymous No.10996926]

I thought the ending did a good job wrapping everything up, it's Sanderson so however you feel about that, though he was going off a pretty detailed timeline and notes(Jordan knew he wouldn't be able to finish it and made preparations for whoever would) and Jordan's widow who was the editor for the series

the big loss is we never got the follow up spinoff series Jordan wanted to do

[Anonymous No.10996966]

Other than premium publishers like Folio Press, does anyone know if there are any base hardcovers that actually come sewn nowadays instead of glued? When did publishers stop giving a shit?

[Anonymous No.10997082]

For someone new to the genre, what are some short and sweet wuxia/xianxia novels? I've read an abridged version of Journey to the West and watched a couple of movies, but that is the extent of my exposure

[Anonymous No.10997169]

>>10997082
>short [...] xianxia
ahahahahahahahahahaha

This is the only thing I can think of, and I don't think it counts
https://www.starvearchive.com/2018/03/03/the-dao-of-xuanhuan-novels/

[Anonymous No.10997246]

>>10995795
I've had my edition for about 11 years now. Good quality. Totally worth it.

[Anonymous No.10997312]

Why is Wales so underrated in fantasy?
You get you're typical representatiion of the French, Germans and England. Half times you get a crude Scots country, but why is there never a country based on Wales?

[Anonymous No.10997380]

>>10996688
The author is a dork whose only substantial interactions with women are with his bitchy, unattractive wife and his mother, whom I know less about but was probably a older model of his wife.

[Anonymous No.10997388]

>>10997312
Because you don't read that much funatasy.

[Anonymous No.10997428]

>>10997388
Can you give me a fantasty based in Wales.

[Anonymous No.10997478]

>>10996926
i wish he was alive and made a later short story about rand meeting his friends again
rand going out without any of the three is fine
the sad is that we dont get what happened after

[Anonymous No.10997483]

i want a good book with romance
doesnt even have to be focus
just a romance

[Anonymous No.10997506]

>>10997483
elf slave by sarah hawke

[Anonymous No.10997516]

>>10997506
anon i dont want smut
at least not full time
i want a book with a decent story but some romance in the middle
like percy jackson

[Anonymous No.10997522]

>>10997483
i also feel like this at the moment. I hate when the romance is the centre of the book but i also hate it when romance is shoehorned in because the protag has to fuck someone right.

[Anonymous No.10997523]

>>10997516
library at mount char

[Anonymous No.10997529]

where do you guys find new books to read

[Anonymous No.10997566]

>>10997428
Anything involving longbows but not sheepshagging.

[Anonymous No.10997582]

>>10997529
i just read things shilled here

[Anonymous No.10997587]

>>10997582
yeah but i want quality fantasy boks with some cutesy in it

[Anonymous No.10997641]

>>10997587
Go watch anime you dweeb

[Anonymous No.10997677]

>>10997529
three methods for me.
i go to the amazon page of the book i liked and look at the "people also bought" section under the description. those books are more often than not very similar to the book i enjoyed. usually that section seems to update twice a month with new books.
the other is check goodreads genre lists the books is part of.
and lastly recommendations here from the general. i was surprised most of the time i came to enjoy a lot of the books that were shilled here. never thought id enjoy that super sales book but i did greatly.

[Anonymous No.10997690]

>>10997641
not this much cutesy
something like wot where roamance had consequences on the plot, but it wasnt nonsensical

[Anonymous No.10997704]

>>10997529
I look at everything posted on mobilism
By cover + blurp you can cut out like 90% easily, leaving only the good stuff to read

[Anonymous No.10997712]

>>10997690
>wot

You utterly disgust me

[Anonymous No.10997741]

I like /comfy/ fantasy settings like the Shire, Bag End, The Burrow.

Any other examples of this sorta thing?

[Anonymous No.10997759]

>>10997483
The First Chronicles of Druss the Legend.

[Anonymous No.10997784]

>>10997529
books that get posted on audiobooks groups (I check once a week)
books that are shilled here
running the catalog on an author I enjoyed
books from lists (best by genre, best by year, similar to a book I liked, etc)

[Anonymous No.10997789]

>>10997784
yeah i find so many history an non-fiction books from browsing audiobook torrents, then for fiction i just read classics to be honest, theres so much great old shit i dont need to waste time reading new unproven shit

[Anonymous No.10997791]

>>10997784
Where do you find your "best by" lists?

[Anonymous No.10997792]

How exactly do you figure out the 10% percent of fantasy writers worth reading?

I only want to invest my time in reading only the highest quality of fantasy literature. I want avoid reading Terry Goodkind and Mark Lawrence similar writers.

[Anonymous No.10997799]

The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect; A webnovel that has been published in paper form. Where do we stand? Does it break our gay little rules? I don't actually care. It was a great novel. Anybody else read it?

[Anonymous No.10997807]

>>10997478
We were supposed to get a spinoff story with Mat and Fortuona going back to the seanchan homeland to reconquer it, legit disappointed we never got that

[Anonymous No.10997812]

When is the next Latro book coming out?

I'm tired of waiting.

[Anonymous No.10997814]

>>10997799
triple dubs demand you rate the GRI

[Anonymous No.10997823]

>>10997792
Check out the Ballantine Adult Fantasy series (1969-1974). You'll find something you like there. I promise.

[Anonymous No.10997824]

Post covers you were tricked by

[Anonymous No.10997827]

>>10997824

[Anonymous No.10997828]

>>10997428
Chronicles of Prydain

[Anonymous No.10997834]

>>10997791
I just search. If it's something I don't know anything about (like when I did it with comic books) you have to do a sanity check to see if it's not written by some weirdo with quirky tastes (or that it is, depending). I got a good sci-fi list from listening to a Great Courses sci-fi course. I wish they'd do one for other genres.

[Anonymous No.10997843]

I'm reading Dies Irae on Steam. The villains are very fascinating and nietzschean. But the protagonist and his girlfriends might be too anime for some.

[Anonymous No.10997847]

>>10997529
The bookstore dingus

[Anonymous No.10997848]

>>10997529
I visit my favorite authors' blogs and see what books they're plugging lately. I also take recommendations from friends with similar taste to mine. Sometimes I try books I see talked about here and they end up being pretty good. I've tried the following series thanks to /sffg/
>Mistborn
>Way of Kings + Words of Radiance
>The Thousand Names + rest of Shadow Campaigns
>A Wizard of Earthsea + rest of Earthsea cycle
>Children of Hurin
I've also got The Blade Itself sitting on my bedside table since I just wrapped up the last book of Shadow Campaigns last night.

[Anonymous No.10997852]

>>10997428
The Grey King

The dark is rising is one of the absolute best children's fantasy series out there and that's one of the books in it.

[Anonymous No.10997854]

>>10997792
>I only want to invest my time in reading only the highest quality of fantasy literature.
Might as well give up reading imo

[Anonymous No.10997857]

>>10997799
Did it get sent to an editor, or did the "author" just pay some vanity press?

[Anonymous No.10997861]

>>10997834
>I wish they'd do one for other genres.
Oh fuck I just checked and it looks like they did one for mystery. I've got to try that

[Anonymous No.10997874]

>>10997529
trawling through good reads trying to figure out what the fuck people mean in their reviews. I've often found success with books i've been skeptical towards after reading the blurb but am then pleasantly surprised while getting into them.

[Anonymous No.10997880]

>>10997848
I've read those titles you've mentioned and pretty much enjoyed all of them, haven't the read the rest of the earthsea quartet though. But if you want a suggestion I enjoyed pic related a lot recently.

[Anonymous No.10997886]

>At used bookstore
>Find a Turtledove book I've never heard of, "The Two Georges"
>Turn book over to read a summary that's surely on the back cover
>find only this instead

[Anonymous No.10997888]

what are the best books with asiatic influences

[Anonymous No.10997894]

Has anyone here read A Darker Shade of Magic. Is it worth picking up?

[Anonymous No.10997897]

>>10997880
I'll put it on the reading list then. Got two more books besides Abercrombie's, but I have a feeling I'm gonna burn through my stack too fast. I'm trying to hold off on buying Oathbringer until it's out on mass market paperback but I don't think it's gonna happen. At least I'll have 3 more books to distract me.

[Anonymous No.10997898]

>>10997888
>>10997880
The main character in this series a bhuddist/shinto type monk.

[Anonymous No.10997899]

>>10997857
>Did it get sent to an editor
I'm not sure. It's very well written and doesn't have that "a hack wrote this" feeling, but it's pretty graphic and likely disturbed a lot of people.

>did the "author" just pay some vanity press?
Pretty much this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Metamorphosis_of_Prime_Intellect

[Anonymous No.10997908]

>>10997886
This is the front cover, by the way

[Anonymous No.10997910]

>>10997888
I really liked Raymond E. Feist and Janny Wurts' Daughter of the Empire series. It's a lot like Riftwar, but from the Tsurani's perspective and with a lot more sex and political intrigue.

[Anonymous No.10997915]

>>10997886
Neither of them is a George. You've been had.

[Anonymous No.10997930]

>>10997899
Reading that article gave me AIDS

[Anonymous No.10997939]

>>10997910
I always forget about the sex, but I'm re-reading them right now and keep seeing descriptions of her tits pressing against things.

[Anonymous No.10997942]

>>10997908
Also, the "acknowledgements" section at the front of the book is just Harry and Richard thanking the Blimp pilot that let them ride in their blimp one afternoon as research for the airship scenes in "The Two Georges"

[Anonymous No.10997946]

>>10997930
What if I told you it had tons of rape and some incest?

[Anonymous No.10997952]

>>10997939
Feist really reins in the sexual stuff in his midkemia setting, but he's a lot more explicit in Daughter of the Empire. Might just be Janny Wurts' influence, but his stand alone novel Faerie Tale is randy as fuck.

[Anonymous No.10997961]

>>10997946
No gay though? NOT GRI.

[Anonymous No.10997965]

>>10997894
Not really. Characters were pretty shallow and unlikable, prose was not all to great, kinda just meh in general. Spend your time reading something else.

[Anonymous No.10997971]

>>10997961
>No gay though?
I'd have to think about it. There's all sorts of weird shit, there had to have been at the very least some frotting.

[Anonymous No.10998027]

>>10996568
You'll either hate it, especially the female characters, or you'll overlook it's flaws and just enjoy the fun and god-tier world building.

[Anonymous No.10998385]

What are some books like serial experiments lain?

[Anonymous No.10998415]

>>10998385
Try Wonderful Everyday on Steam.

[Anonymous No.10998545]

>Stranger in a Strange land
Preacy piece of shit that is very fun between the preaching
I would assume 1/3 preaching and 2/3 condensed fun.

[Anonymous No.10998549]

>That orgasmic feeling when you realize a hidden detail that changes your whole understanding of a Gene Wolfe book

[Anonymous No.10998620]

>>10998549
Speaking of Gene Wolfe, I had a question about Urth of the New Sun

Severian is basically a piece of shit who lies and exaggerates everything to make himself look good, dudes a sociopath.

well then why in Urth of the New Sun would Tzadkiel choose Severian of all people to become the New Sun, the one responsible for continuing the human race and elevating them to an upper eschalon

[Anonymous No.10998766]

>>10994901
In what way are you looking for the similarity?

A fantasy novel with no exposition? Darkness and decay? Ambiguity about what is evil and good? Corrupt gods?

[Anonymous No.10998790]

>>10998415
thanks anon. i was hoping for something less visual but this is fine too.

[Anonymous No.10998890]

>>10998620
I guess because he already WAS the New Sun all along and... uhh... some cause and effect reversal fuckery? I really dunno man, I'm too much of a brainlet for Eugenio Loboe.

Also, I need to find my ebook reader and get an epub of The Wizard Knight in English, the translation I've read was the worst I've ever had the misfortune of reading, with the translator mixing up characters' names etc. Piecing the story together from hints left by Wolfe is great, piecing the story together from mistranslated gibberish is not.

[Anonymous No.10999168]

Well this was... something. Probably the thiccest standalone sf book I've ever read.

I really liked the long philosophical musings, the satire, the euphemisms etc. I think Heinlein's writing is a lot less dry than the other Big Three.

I really liked Jubal Harshaw, especially when he BTFOd the government using his knowledge of the law. It has always been a power fantasy of mine to be able to do this.

The second half was worse, though. I wish it didn't decide to literally have no plot at all (which says something since the plot in the first half is also relatively thin).

Why did he choose Fosterism to be the stand-in for Christian fundamentalism in the novel? After all, it supported hedonism and free love almost as much as the CoAW. Seems like they weren't that different.

Also the beginning of the novel says that character names are supposed to have hidden meanings, but I couldn't figure it out by myself; and when I looked it up the only thing I could find was:

>Michael means "who is like God," and his life has a lot of parallels to Jesus'.
>Jubal means "ram's horn," and, yeah, he's stubborn as a ram and willing to butt heads with anyone, any time.
>Gillian (Jill) means "Child of the gods." She becomes one of Mike's high priestesses. During one Church of All Worlds service, Mike refers to her as "'Frigg!'…'Ge!'…'Devil'…'Ishtar!'…'Maryam!'" (31.124) and a host of other god/goddess names.
>And Rebecca—Madame Vesant's first name—means "to tie or connect." This lady serves as Agnes's connection to the stars as an astrologer, but more importantly, she connects Jubal to Joe Douglas in Chapter 16.

which sounds kind of vague and unimpressive to me. I really don't grok it.

[Anonymous No.10999193]

>>10998620
Sev is not a sociopath that is a bullshit reading and his “lies” are often just things he doesn’t understand. He is raised in a sham system of justice and casts it aside in favor of mercy. The whole book shows how good can come of evil and death; god’s will is done. The readings of New Sun lately are fucking piss poor. I don’t know if I should blame Peter Wright, Borski, or Alzabo Soup. Fuck. Severian is chosen because he has treated his enemies justly and he has the memory of urth and what mankind was most perfectly. He passes the test when his enemies fight for him; thus th importance of sparing Agia etc. this book has been thematically murdered by weak interpreters.

[Anonymous No.10999227]

>I was a just normal guy until the night the cherry blossoms bloomed, the night that Grace appeared on my doorstep. A failed sci-fi writer, a gamer, but a normal guy nonetheless.

>Grace was everything I was not - a psychic shifter, beautiful beyond my wildest imagination, a government conspiracy waiting to be unraveled.

>And that was before the second superpowered woman showed up to kill us both.

>Warning: Cherry Blossom Girls contains a harem, gamelit LitRPG humor/stats, torture, graphic imagery, and other acts of fictionalized violence, telepathic, shifter, and vampiric superpowers used for sex, auto theft, mind games, slavery, and the exploitation of the general public. This series was inspired by The Tick, Stranger Things, Vonnegut's Breakfast of Champions, and the anime Elfen Lied.

And shit like this gets published, why am I even surprised. Now there's no excuse left for me to not write a book.

[Anonymous No.10999305]

>>10997812
There is supposed to be a fourth?

[Anonymous No.10999464]

I just read storm front. Terrible.

[Anonymous No.10999510]

>>10999464

[Anonymous No.10999525]

WoT should've been a trilogy instead of a 13 book series.

[Anonymous No.10999596]

>>10994835
The better a writer is, the less you'll see a difference between the two

[Anonymous No.10999598]

>>10999525
It shouldn’t have been written

[Anonymous No.10999638]

>>10999525
Really gets the braid tuggin'

>>10999598
This

[Anonymous No.10999720]

>>10999464
The first two or three books are literally his homework from a writing class he was taking. and got written because his teacher told him to stop writing generic Tolkien fantasy and do something different for a change.

The original title was something like SEMIAUTOMAGIC: The Harry Dresden Files.

[Anonymous No.10999826]

>>10999720
There should be more teachers like this desu.
Butcher is talented. He wrote a book about pokemon and the roman legion.

[Anonymous No.11000037]

>>10999510
I've never been to /pol/ nor do I sympathize with them

[Anonymous No.11000414]

Why do you guys draw a line and exclude webnovels and self-published books? Most are shit, yes, but "most" does not mean all. Why do you continue to suck publishers' dicks and drink their koolaid when the evidence is overwhelmingly against them? Publishing is at least half as much self-promotion and family connection as it is merit, and some truly horrific "books" are pumped out every year by big publishers. Standards as we knew them are basically dead and the old giants of the industry are moribund. I don't see why a poorly written, derivative YA heap would qualify here, but >>10997799 wouldn't.

[Anonymous No.11000487]

>>10999826
I binged all of Dresden Files in a month so it might have annoyed me more than it should, but holy shit everyone snarls all the time

[Anonymous No.11000926]

What are the discworld books worth reading? I finished Old Gods and quite liked it

[Anonymous No.11000933]

Recommendations similar to this? I really enjoyed the sci fi exploration of biblical times. The mood also appealed to me very much and I'd be interested in anything similar that may not necessarily deal with the same period.

[Anonymous No.11000938]

>>11000926
yea they are great

[Anonymous No.11001087]

>>11000414
I don't particularly care about publishers. It's editors that are important. Author wank is just that.

[Anonymous No.11001095]

>>11000938
Yeah thanks

[Anonymous No.11001133]

>>11000926
Love "Lords and Ladies", specially it's take on elves and it's political criticism, which is so subtle that I've never seen anyone other than me recognize that the characterization of elves as glamorous psychopaths is supposed to be a criticism of aristocracy and monarchy.

[Anonymous No.11001192]

>>11000926
Most of them.

[Anonymous No.11001217]

>>10996856
>does it at least have a well done conclusion?
No, but it have the intended conclusion so once you've spent 10 books waiting for it you'll take what you get and cry yourself to sleep imagining how good it could have been.

[Anonymous No.11001238]

>>10997529
Cross referencing books shilled here with reviews on Goodreads for new authors.

[Anonymous No.11001253]

>>10997812
Is there a point to reading the third? Assuming Wolfe will GRRM us and die before the series is done.

[Anonymous No.11001319]

>>11001238
>reviews

[Anonymous No.11001409]

/malazan/ bros unite

[Anonymous No.11001631]

>not wanting a robot or genetically engineered catgirl GF

You all do realize this is what all of humanity has been progressing towards, right? Man's insatiable need for control over and affection from an entity outside himself.

[Anonymous No.11001703]

we should really create a new recommendation chart without shit like Terry Brooks and Robert Jordan

[Anonymous No.11001747]

i want a book with a catgirl
but with a decent story

[Anonymous No.11001863]

>>11000926
Yes but read them in publication order, not ordered by that faggot chart. That thing is like reading all the Arya chapters, then all the Jon Snow chapters, etc. Accept the mix.

[Anonymous No.11001923]

>>10997910
Does this spoil the earlier riftwar stuff if I read it out of order? Still not sure if I want to bother with all of riftwar or just read this since most people seem to say it's his best.

[Anonymous No.11001954]

When is it coming out, bros?

I'm worried it'll take until around 2022.

[Anonymous No.11001956]

>>11001703
But RJ is good.

[Anonymous No.11001966]

>>11001954
Who cares

[Anonymous No.11001967]

>>11001966
Every true fantasy fan.

[Anonymous No.11002125]

>>10999168

I didn't like this one. It read like some old man's odd and very specific fantasy life more than an actual story.

ST and TMiaHM are two of my favourite books of all time but stranger was just odd and just felt dirty to me. And not dirty like a sexy romance kind of way, but dirty like "ugh".

[Anonymous No.11002200]

>>10997942
I'm dying

[Anonymous No.11002226]

>>11001967
No true fantasy fan.

[Anonymous No.11002254]

Just finished up Ubik today, definitely one of the best Dick books I have read. What do you folks think about the ending?

[Anonymous No.11002296]

>>11002254
Also for reference, the other works of his that I've read are FMT, A Scanner Darkly, Time out of Joint, Three Stigmata, and Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

[Anonymous No.11002320]

Looking for a book series, cant remember the name. I thought the author was Harry Turtledove but I can't find anything like it in his works.

The plot is that earth is discovered by an alliance if aliens who are losing a war against another species which uses genetic tech and telepathy to dominate others. Humans turn out to be primitive and violent, becoming the perfect warrior race but falling behind culturally until they're pigeonholed as soldiers.

One of the alien species is called Lepar, little tadpoles things.

Does anyone know this series?

[Anonymous No.11002325]

>>11001956
he is awful

I mean all epic fantasy except Lord of the Rings is bad but The Wheel of Time in particular is generic as fuck

[Anonymous No.11002341]

>>11001956
hahaha

[Anonymous No.11002475]

>>11002320
search terms:
"lepar" humans

[Anonymous No.11002499]

>>11001747
The Aeronaut's Windlass
The Chanur Saga

[Anonymous No.11002542]

>>11002499
>The Aeronaut's Windlass
wasn't that more a catman? Along with the actual sentient cats?

[Anonymous No.11002666]

>>11002475
Thank you, anon

[Anonymous No.11002667]

>>10997824
>>11002499
seconding the chanur books theyre pretty good.
heavent read aeronauts windlass. only dresden files and codex alleria. 6 years for a fucking book is just too fucking much.

[Anonymous No.11002721]

Was this guy legitimately a sick fuck? I've read some Edward Lee but he seems like just kind of an edgelord. But something about Laymon just feels wrong.

[Anonymous No.11003025]

Finished The Black Company and started The First Law trilogy and holy shit the writing style is so much nicer. Glotka rules.

[Anonymous No.11003167]

>>11003025
I've been listening to the audiobook. Went in expecting edgy garbage but it's actually quite good. Agreed on glotka, he's a well written character.

[Anonymous No.11003183]

>>10994915
S-sauce?

[Anonymous No.11003322]

Bought this.
Scared to read it.

[Anonymous No.11003396]

>>11003322
Scared? What's the worse that could happen apart from losing an entire year of your life to marathon the series.

[Anonymous No.11003407]

>>10996568
first book is an overt LOTR rip off
next few books are pretty decent
after that the plot comes to a standstill and it descends into shite

[Anonymous No.11003413]

>>11003396
>an entire year
welp i read it in 3 months
>>11003407
what this anon says is not exatcly a lie
if you want a quick read get the fuck out of these books
if you wanna a book that dont want to be read quickly then you can read it
i mean the author went full authist
he loved the world so much that he put too much detail
shame he died, the susbtitute didnt love the work as he did

[Anonymous No.11003467]

>>11003396
Strong female characters intimidate me.

[Anonymous No.11003471]

So far what i read:
>Hyperion
7/10
>The Terror
8/10
>Black Hills
7/10
>Ilium
10/10
>Olympos
7/10

[Anonymous No.11003475]

>>11003467

[Anonymous No.11003489]

>>11003471
>"dan simmons is brilliant" - Dean Koonts
>"I am in awe of Dan Simmons" - Stephen King

These make me laugh for several reasons

[Anonymous No.11003534]

>>10997799
Villain protagonist. Selfish bitch fucks up everything.

[Anonymous No.11003641]

>>10997799
Looks like some /outerlit/ meme garbage

[Anonymous No.11003731]

>interesting story
>its really badly written by a non-native english speaker

rough life

[Anonymous No.11003760]

It's came out a week ago. Anyone already read that?

[Anonymous No.11004004]

>>11001319
>reviews
?

[Anonymous No.11004016]

>>11001703
The Selected Fantasy chart is almost perfect, replace The Blade Itself with Howards Conan and Way of Kings with Lord of the Rings and we're there.

There's nothing wrong with having stuff like Jordan and Terry Brooks on a more general chart.

[Anonymous No.11004080]

>>11004016
Neck yourself you fucking dinosaur. I thought our purge got rid of you fuckers.

[Anonymous No.11004104]

>>11003760
>chubby feminine fingers
Question
How fat is the pussy, and would you let me put in just the tip, in missionary?

[Anonymous No.11004121]

>>11004104
>just the tip, in missionary?
you fucking degenerate. next your gonna ask her to hold your hands. jesus fucking christ man.

[Anonymous No.11004177]

>>11004080
No u

The Blade Itself is a bad book, Way of Kings is decent but have no place on a chart of selected fantasy.

[Anonymous No.11004227]

My shelf.

[Anonymous No.11004234]

>>11004227

[Anonymous No.11004249]

>slav runes and meme fantasy

[Anonymous No.11004286]

>>11004227
>>11004234
thank god now i have finally seen your bookshelf
thanks so much for sharing boris

[Anonymous No.11004316]

So what are PKD's sexual views? From the novels I've read so far, it seems like he expects casual polyamory and everyone having a side dish. But I admit I don't know if these are his actual views or just common trends that are showing up.
Counter-clock World was rather mediocre but presented some interesting bits aside. I am now reading Flow My Tears, not a big fan of the main character but I am interested in learning where the main plot travels to. I don't like how Kathy is throwing herself at him right off the bat. I guess I don't care for the blatant sexual escapades to be thrown in my face. Sex itself isn't a problem but perhaps it is a mixture of my own unrealistic monogamous sexual views and my overall disinterest in sex--I want wacky MINDFUCKS not biological hedonism. That ending to A Maze of Death was nice in its complete shift of narrative.
I have also noticed many similar archetypes regarding his characters in his books; they are all written completely differently but there seem to be underlying patterns between them all. At least he is good at creating wholly different drug experiences. I've now since lost my train of thought.
Please respond!

[Anonymous No.11004355]

>>10997848
The Blade Itself is a slog, I'll never understand the hype. As a masochist I read the entire First Law series anyway, but Abercrombie is just a choppy, plodding writer.

[Anonymous No.11004377]

>>10994782
I was memed into reading this. The background is somewhat interesting, but the characters, dialog and the progression are terrible, and it wastes the otherwise interesting story.
>you made me suffer my entire life, not just once but multiple times, not resting even in death, for your own purposes, but it's okay I totally get it and it's cool let's hang
I think there's only maybe a couple good characters in it and they are all secondary.

[Anonymous No.11004442]

>>11000414
We don't particularly care about publishers, there's active talk about pulp literature here all the fucking time. Webnovels are different though, there's just an enormous amount of shit that overshadows any possibility of finding something good and we just aren't willing to act as filters. Most of the time, if something is good it will come out as a book later. The couple of webnovels I read I found out because it came as a book and later discovered there was a web version ahead. But I am definitely not trudging through 500 power up shit to find one legitimate story, and we can't even search through the most read because readers of webnovels like that shit, and it stays on top.

[Anonymous No.11004450]

>>10999227
It's self-published.

[Anonymous No.11004451]

>>11004442
power up shit would be fine if it was written decently

[Anonymous No.11004496]

Just binged through this series, was pleasantly surprised, great read.

[Anonymous No.11004553]

>>11004496
did you like the gri?

[Anonymous No.11004570]

>>10997843
Eh, I can deal with anime. Is the prose interesting?

I gotten into VNs with Ever17 and while it was weird, I had enjoyed the setting overall in the uncomfortable location and the slow destruction of the underwater park. And I've been looking into expanding my reading choices.

[Anonymous No.11004605]

>>11004570
>reading ever17 for anything but the mindfucks

[Anonymous No.11004613]

>>11004080
There was never a purge. It's just you sperging out occasionally. We're doing a public service here.

[Anonymous No.11004692]

>>11004316
It's been a good year since I touched any Dick, but to my memory he was pretty torn between old-school-sexy-secretary-protag-lovin and as you say a bit of poly. But then I have only read his more well-known work, I am a mere pleb.

[Anonymous No.11004750]

>>11004316
I found flow my tears kinda strange, the world around it with the student rebellions and the fascist undertones seemed much more interesting than the main story line of the transported guy. I can't speak that much about his sexual views, but depending how far into the novel you are there is a dialogue about the nature of love and pain that might clarify things. And if you haven't already, do yourself a favor and listen to the song the title is based on

[Anonymous No.11004761]

>>11004451
Although it's edgy and really fucking bloated I liked the way Worm handled superpowers

[Anonymous No.11004781]

Really enjoyed The Prince of Nothing books but The Judging Eye is fuckin' weak. Do The Aspect Emperor books get better?

[Anonymous No.11004787]

>>10999168
felt the same, The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress i enjoyed much more

[Anonymous No.11004788]

Man i fucking hate multi-culti propaganda in fantasy books

It's so disgusting how they can seemlessly go from "This ethno-state of elves/fairies/whatever" to "Wow these bigoted humans aren't allowing themselves to be displaced by non-humans"

[Anonymous No.11004840]

>>11004227
where do you hide juicy пoпaдaнeц stuff ?

[Anonymous No.11004915]

>>11004788
Examples?

[Anonymous No.11004944]

>>11001087
Can't speak for everybody but I hire a freelance editor for my self-published stuff

[Anonymous No.11005013]

>>11004840
I don't have any.

[Anonymous No.11005079]

>>11004234
I like those big hardcover Tokyo Ghost books

[Anonymous No.11005227]

I've been told by a few people lately to read Brent Weeks. Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.11005243]

>>11005079
They costed me $5 each.

[Anonymous No.11005406]

[Anonymous No.11005421]

>reading an ebook
>enjoying it
>it turns out to be a novella

why the fuck do people write pulpy scifi novellas?

[Anonymous No.11005432]

>>11003760
I read the description and then decided not to pirate it for some reason

I'll probably wack it in my next set of downloads

[Anonymous No.11005436]

>>11005227
he sucks ass

[Anonymous No.11005452]

>>11005227
I thought he was the coolest fantasy writer ever when I was 13

That should tell you enough

[Anonymous No.11005461]

>>11005432
Where can i pirate it?

[Anonymous No.11005482]

>>11005421
Name pls

[Anonymous No.11005492]

>>11005436
>>11005452
OK then, I'll move on to the next...

[Anonymous No.11005495]

>>11005482
murderbot books, but it also applies to killing gravity

Just as shit starts to get going and I think some concepts are going to be explored I accidentally tap the bottom of my ereader and find out there's like 30 pages left.

[Anonymous No.11005506]

Read A Hat Full of Sky, lovely little book. The Feegles are hilarious as always specially in their fear of writing. Pratchett again puts in an amorphous concept as an antagonist but it works well this time. The last chapter had some particularly beautiful writing, it seemed really polished.

[Anonymous No.11005513]

>>11005461
http://www.mediafire.com/file/reo6crbtqc8x6bo/Leo_Carew_-_%5BUnder_the_Northern_Sky_01%5D_-_The_Wolf_%28retail%29_%28epub%29.rar

I use IRC but it was easier to upload it than to find the guide for using it.

[Anonymous No.11005672]

>>11005513
Thx!

[Anonymous No.11005769]

Proposal for improved Selected Fantasy chart!

I left Way of Kings in, I personally don't feel like the book should be on the chart but I feel like others do and that Sanderson is a more controversial subject than Abercrombie.
Anyone disagree?

Old: https://imgoat.com/uploads/6d767d2f8e/21329.jpg
New: https://imgoat.com/uploads/0935e4cd59/105092.jpg

[Anonymous No.11005787]

amber books sucked

[Anonymous No.11005828]

>>11005421
150-250 pages is normal for published pulps. Before that they were even shorter in mags.

[Anonymous No.11005844]

>>11005769
> Kay and Sanderson on one chart
This place is depressing.

[Anonymous No.11005858]

>>11000414
Because they made the classic mistake of keeping out an innocuous element only to let a cancerous one grow. We banned webnovels and now litrpg is growing in its place.

[Anonymous No.11005871]

>>11005506
The Tiffany Aching books are really underrated in general I think

[Anonymous No.11005874]

>>11003534
She really does. But this book definitely qualifies as a must read. I wish it wasn't banished to the desert of the webnovel by elitist PKD-sucking pricks.

[Anonymous No.11005897]

>>11005874
What's the deal with webnovels, aren't they just another form of self-publishing? I have no problem with that.

[Anonymous No.11005923]

>>11005844
Why not make your own chart?

[Anonymous No.11005930]

why the fuck are people going on about banishment, we've talked about worm in here before with no issue

just ignore spergs if they're moaning, the litrpg stuff is way more obnoxious

[Anonymous No.11005934]

>>11002325
t. doesn't actually read epic fantasy and is just a retarded dino fag

[Anonymous No.11005936]

>>11005897
The problem is they're a mixed bag. It could really be anything. I would say (and I normally don't think this way about anything) that if a webnovel has enough acclaim it should be up for recommendation.

Everyone gets their panties in a twist about them not being properly edited or vetted. The inverse of the webnovel problem is also true. Ready Player One was edited and published proper, and look how amazing that is.

[Anonymous No.11005938]

>>11004004
>I need other people to tell me how to think

[Anonymous No.11005966]

>>11004355
I'm about 60 pages into The Blade Itself and I'm reasonably interested, but so far it hasn't really impressed me. I'm withholding judgement until I finish the first book though. Most big fantasy series like this have a turning point at the end of book 1 that can make or break my commitment to the series. Wheel of Time probably has the single best end of book 1 turning point of any epic fantasy series I've read, but I try not to use that as my benchmark. For comparison, I found Promise of Blood's to be rather weak. That's another one I picked up due to /sffg/ but I felt it so lackluster I didn't list it with the others.

[Anonymous No.11006013]

Opinions on David Weber? Just starting the Safehold series.

[Anonymous No.11006039]

Is Book Of The Long Sun's four volumes better read consecutively, or with breaks inbetween reading other books?

I've nearly finished the first volume. It's becoming engrossing after a slow start.

[Anonymous No.11006055]

>>11004788
Name 3 series that do this?

[Anonymous No.11006062]

You know I really hate how these authors alocate stats in litrpg's
like jfc have they never played a game before

[Anonymous No.11006078]

>>11005938
Lmao, do you seriously think I read reviews, before I read a book, to know what to think about the book once I'm done?

[Anonymous No.11006082]

>>11001923
It doesn't spoil anything that matters really. I would say at least read Magician before you read Daughter of the Empire's trilogy, Silverthorn and Darkness at Sethanon are included in the Riftwar Saga but don't actually have a lot to do with Kelewan and the Tsurani except tangentially.

[Anonymous No.11006107]

>>11006078
People who rely on reviewers to decide what to read are usually incapable of forming value judgments. Invariably they always form the exact same opinions of whatever reviewer they consulted, what a coincidence right?

[Anonymous No.11006115]

>>11006062
That's one thing I never understood. These writers who write litrpg stuff seem to have almost no concrete knowledge of game mechanics. Which makes me wonder why the fuck they're even writing it? Are they just a cynical fad chaser trying to make a quick buck?

[Anonymous No.11006122]

>>11006107
Reviews in plural imply that I generally read more than one review.

[Anonymous No.11006135]

>>11006115
> Are they just a cynical fad chaser trying to make a quick buck?
Yes.

[Anonymous No.11006149]

>>11006122
Do you also read the comments on youtube videos before watching the video? No? Then why pay attention to what random twits on the internet have to say about books? The only people who do this are people who have no capacity to judge anything for themselves. The alternative is that you have a select few reviewers that you always go to for reviews, in which case see previous statement.

[Anonymous No.11006183]

>>11006149
Watching a Youtube video takes a couple of minutes, judging it even less. Reading a book, even to form an opinion on the quality of the language, may take hours.

I'll give you an example to help you understand.
1: Find book that look interesting
2: Read reviews looking for signs of low quality
3: If I find any such signs, comments on bad language or structure for example, I look up the reviewer and see if his/her taste generally align with mine
4: Repeat step 2 and 3 a couple of times, if things still look good I try the book
I almost exclusively read negative reviews, I don't need to read praise for a book I already have an interest in reading.

[Anonymous No.11006188]

>>11006082
Magician is so much worse than empire though

[Anonymous No.11006209]

>>11006188
It really is but only because I think Empire is by far the best thing he ever did.

[Anonymous No.11006214]

>writing
>remember that the vast majority of people who read are teenybopper mongoloids who still quote Harry Potter
>immediately discouraged and wonder who I'm writing for
Why is fantasy such a consumerist cesspool?

[Anonymous No.11006219]

>>11005871
Yeah both TWFM and this one have been thoroughly enjoyable and with interesting stuff to say

[Anonymous No.11006234]

Finished Senlin Ascends. What the fuck?
>sequel advertised as a swashbuckling adventure
Fucking Reddit, I thought this was some sort of Wonderland inspired work that focused on the journey.

[Anonymous No.11006278]

>>11006188
I must have a soft spot for it since I read it in my formative teenage years. Feist was one of the first epic fantasy authors I got into after Tolkien, I must've read Magician a dozen times. Daughter of the Empire is way better though. It's easily the best thing in his entire Midkemia setting.

[Anonymous No.11006283]

>>11006214
>writing
>find convenient excuse to stop writing so I never have to challenge myself or my ideas
That's what I read in your post. If you don't want to write then just be honest about it, don't invent reasons you "can't" write, or else you just become another Rothfuss.

[Anonymous No.11006287]

>>11006278
I could tolerate Magician if he just didn't have the perspective switches that go on for like 100 pages at a time

[Anonymous No.11006348]

>>11006183
>Read reviews looking for signs of low quality
Irrelevant. Either you're just going to follow confirmation bias or else you're valuing random idiots' opinions about a subjective experience. Reviews are fine for things that have objective experiences (i.e. practical usages). I'll read reviews for a tool or appliance I'm buying on Amazon, cause whether it works or not is an objective experience. I disregard reviews that talk about how easy or hard it is to use since that's more usually determined by how stupid the user is than anything else.

But books are not objective experiences, they are entirely subjective. And subjective experiences are extremely difficult to convey accurately, and even if you can convey your subjective experience truthfully it still won't be transferable to another person, not really. Sharing a subjective experience is useful for creating a dialogue about something, but it's completely worthless for deciding whether to read or watch something yourself. Unless, of course, you're an idiot incapable of forming value judgments and are just looking for an easy opinion to parrot. Nobody can experience a thing for you, trying to live that experience by proxy through other people's reviews will, at best, prejudice you against the book and at worst completely supplant any original opinion you might've formed, turning you into a mindless drone.

>If I find any such signs, comments on bad language or structure for example
The fact you even mention this tells me you are an absolute dullard.

[Anonymous No.11006409]

>>11005769
Replace Way of Kings with The Lord of the Rings. It's the benchmark for epic fantasy and deserves to be there. The Way of Kings is not very good and the series is only three books in

Replace Black Sun Rising with Watership Down

Replace The Buried Giant with The Last Unicorn

[Anonymous No.11006411]

>>11006348
Nah, you're wrong. It's absolutely possible to objectively judge the quality of writing to some degree.

You've obviously formed an opinion about me from my posts, in the same way I form an opinion about a reviewer and with that in mind judge whether or not I should consider their criticism when I decide whether to read the book or not.

[Anonymous No.11006416]

>>11006411
>It's absolutely possible to objectively judge the quality of writing to some degree.
I can see there's no further point in talking to you, your head is firmly jammed up your ass. Good day.

[Anonymous No.11006421]

>>11006409
>Replace Black Sun Rising with Watership Down
BSR is like the one book nobody here dislikes

[Anonymous No.11006422]

>>11006409
What's the point of putting LotR on a recommendation chart? It's the one fantasy series you can be sure a total novice has heard of and knows the general opinion of.

[Anonymous No.11006425]

>>11006416
Have a nice day, random twit on the internet.

[Anonymous No.11006428]

>>11006416
retard

[Anonymous No.11006451]

>>11006421
I dislike it
>>11006422
you'd be surprised how many modern fantasy fans have not read it

[Anonymous No.11006497]

>>11006039
Errrrr I'd power through all four, maybe a day or two break between. There's a lot of content to keep in your head so I'd do it as soon as possible.

[Anonymous No.11006504]

>>11006234
So was it any good?

[Anonymous No.11006513]

>>11005769
>Sanderson

[Anonymous No.11006550]

>>11006409
>Replace The Buried Giant
Why?

[Anonymous No.11006552]

>>11006504
Yeah, up till about the end. It just clashes so much with the rest of the book.

[Anonymous No.11006640]

>>11006552
I probably won't read, what's the problem? (KEep it a little vague I guess you never know).

[Anonymous No.11006649]

>>11005769
I'd replace The Way of Kings with Warbreaker or The Emperor's Soul, hell even The Final Empire works well as a standalone.
Also I think Tigana is superior to The Lions of Al-Rassan.

[Anonymous No.11006739]

>>11006640
The story focuses solely on the protagonist for most of the work. The narrative structure is basically
>guy goes to new place
>sees weird shit
>moves along
And that might sound stale, but each new location and the protagonist's reactions felt very engaging.

The finale devolves into swashbuckling action and anime fights, with the promise of more like that in the next book. Felt completely inconsistent with what made the book good.

[Anonymous No.11006778]

>>11006550
it's shit, Ishiguro a fake jap hack

[Anonymous No.11006785]

I have never read a fantasy book before

Is The Hobbit a good place to start?

[Anonymous No.11006811]

Karsa in Malazan is truly an edgy bastard

[Anonymous No.11006838]

>>11005769
Can we take off The Red Knight? Plenty of stuff we can put in it's place, something like Legend, Swords and Deviltry, The Black Company, Theft of Swords or The Winter King off the top of my head.
Instead of Daughter of the Empire shouldn't we just put Magician: Apprentice because it's the first chronologically?

[Anonymous No.11007001]

What's the appeal of this guy's books? I always get recommended him IRL but I can't get into his stuff at all.

[Anonymous No.11007032]

>>11007001
he was one of the first mass published authors during the fantasy boom

[Anonymous No.11007038]

>>11006838
daughter of the empire is uniquely good and aside from the world has fuck all to do with magician

[Anonymous No.11007049]

>>11007001
he wrote the first lord of the rings knockoff and has been milking it for about 40 years now. One of those writer you keep hoping will die soon so you don't have to see another of his shitty books in the fantasy section

[Anonymous No.11007076]

Is there more grimdark stuff that's like black company in tone. i.e where the world is brutal and the violence isn't pretty but there's still characters to actually enjoy reading.

Because I've read Abercrombie and KJ Parker since and they just write stuff where everyone is laughably horrible to read and the worst stuff ever always happens.

[Anonymous No.11007163]

>I recognized him by your description of Hafiz’s emissary and he knew that strange passcode you told me.”
>Excitedly, Richter asked, “What did he say?”
>“He said ‘Rick,’ my Lord.”
>Even more excited, Richter asked, “And what did you say in response?”
>“‘Morty,’ my Lord!”
>“YES!” Richter shouted happily. “Wubbalubbadubdub!”

just friggin kill me

[Anonymous No.11007191]

>>11007163
gula gula gula gula gula

[Anonymous No.11007223]

>>11007191
Island

[Anonymous No.11007277]

>>11006188
Empire has some big spoilers for Magician. Anon wanted to know in case she wanted to read it later.

[Anonymous No.11007292]

>>11006785
Yes

[Anonymous No.11007301]

https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/65767131

lol Jemisin's goodreads reviews are fantastic

[Anonymous No.11007322]

>>11006785
You can start wherever you like. Fantasy is not a discipline, there's no hierarchy of concepts, no progression of ideas to master. You find something that sounds neat and you read it, you know, for fun. You know what fun is right?

[Anonymous No.11007336]

>>11007076
That's pretty much GRRM's claim to fame. A lot of my family members who normally do not read fantasy rave about his books on the strength of his characters and the grittiness of the setting. There's a lot more to ASoIaF than that, but that seems to be the main draw for non-Fantasy readers.

[Anonymous No.11007348]

>>11006838
>Instead of Daughter of the Empire shouldn't we just put Magician: Apprentice because it's the first chronologically?
No. I say this as somebody who was a huge Feistfag in middle/high school, who has nearly 20 Feist books sitting on his shelf. If I had to pick a single trilogy out of multitude he has written to recommend to somebody, it would be Daughter of the Empire, without hesitation. By far his best work.

[Anonymous No.11007368]

>>11006451
>you'd be surprised how many modern fantasy fans have not read it
It doesn't matter if they haven't read it, they still know about it and know its reputation. It's impossible to be even casually involved in fantasy literature and not know about Tolkien. Recommending him is a pointless formality, essentially a wasted spot on any chart you include him on.

[Anonymous No.11007375]

>>11006811
Maybe in book 4, when he's first introduced, but for most of his tenure he is a noble barbarian and probably one of the more pure idealists in a series rife with jaded cynics.

[Anonymous No.11007532]

>>11007368
recommending good writers is never a waste

[Anonymous No.11007593]

>>11007532
What is the point in making a chart that contains information everyone already knows? Because that's what you're doing by reserving a spot for Tolkien. Might as well spend money on a billboard that reads "By the way did you know that water is wet?" Yes it's very true indeed, but why did you need to announce it to everyone? Surely something else could've gone on that notice board.

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[Anonymous No.11007871]

is elric a childrens series?