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[Anonymous No.10981527]

>HarperCollins has announced that it will, for the very first time, publish The Fall of Gondolin on 30 August this year.

>Edited by Christopher Tolkien and illustrated by Alan Lee, The Fall of Gondolin will follow the same format as Beren and Lúthien published last year, separating out the story so that it stands alone while showing how the narrative evolved over the years. This is the first time the tale of the Fall of Gondolin will be published as a standalone edition, collecting all versions of the story together.

https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2018/04/the-fall-of-gondolin-to-be-published/

[Anonymous No.10981662]

>>10981527
I fucking knew it. I knew they'd do it and I mentioned it in another thread once. They already did Children of Hurin, Beren and Lúthien, so I saw this coming. Chris Tolkien is going to be dead soon, so it's one last hurrah. Not sure if I'm excited.

[Anonymous No.10981692]

>>10981662
I'm glad to have a significant amount of the First Age legendarium quasi-canonically expounded enough for at least a "bard song" level telling of the stories. If only to have something other than mediocre wiki articles representing the only available prose for the events.

[Anonymous No.10981700]

>>10981527
>grown men excited for the release of a dead man's edited fairy tail actually exist

[Anonymous No.10981704]

>>10981700
it is a very good fairytale

[Anonymous No.10981716]

Oh baby, another atrocity to tarnish JRRT's reputation.

[Anonymous No.10981720]

>>10981700

[Anonymous No.10981725]

>>10981700
He's the fucking Tupac of sword-shit.

[Anonymous No.10981727]

Tolkien's placenames and given names sound to me like names of porn toys.

[Anonymous No.10981745]

>>10981527
I'd prefer if he gave it a treatment like the Children of Hurin, synthesizing the early works into a longer one. But he knows his father's texts better than anyone, so it's probably the correct decision. Tolkien himself said that the Children of Hurin, Beren and Luthien, and the Fall of Gondolin could be expanded to work on their own, so I bet he always planned to publish them separately, even though the latter two don't contain previous unreleased content.

[Anonymous No.10981759]

>>10981725
but tupac is shit and overrated

[Anonymous No.10981766]

>>10981716
Christopher knows that it's only a matter of time until ALL of these stories are fanfictioned into oblivion by popular media after the copyrights transition to public domain. Any lose end that does how have at least a quasi-canonical treatment via a member of the Tolkien clan is going to be defined in the future by hacks with no sense of responsibility nor necessarily access to JRR's actual notes. I don't think Christopher gives a shit about money at this point. I think he's rushing to release as many definitive manuscripts as possible before he dies so at least they're on record.

[Anonymous No.10981785]

>>10981766
>I don't think Christopher gives a shit about money at this point.

I don't think he ever cared about money. (To his credit?)

[Anonymous No.10981809]

>>10981725
MY AMBITIONZ AZ A WRITAH

[Anonymous No.10981820]

>>10981527
YAAAAAAAY MORE LORD OF THE RINGS STORIES!!

[Anonymous No.10981839]

>>10981820
lmao dude, based
genrefags btfo

[Anonymous No.10981895]

Jesus, Tolkien has taken longer than Martin.

[Anonymous No.10981908]

>>10981766
I had not considered this. makes sense.

[Anonymous No.10981923]

>>10981527
>Grug discovers civilisation.jpg

[Anonymous No.10981943]

>>10981923
Húrrin Grugion

[Anonymous No.10981970]

>>10981820

I didnt think they could top it and then they go and announce the LotR TV series!!!

Im super excited!

[Anonymous No.10981971]

>>10981943
The Lay of Grugen and Grúgien.

>Father Grughir slain, Grugen roam the wild
>Arrive at last to Grungol's kingdom mild;
>See pretty Grúgien, want to knock her out,
>Drag her to cave while she loudly shout.
>Her dad say no, you are mortal Grug, boy!
>You must bring me the shiny rock toy;
>It on Evil Grug's helmet malice did place
>Take it out and back to me quickly race.

[Anonymous No.10981973]

>>10981766
Yeah, I showed Beren and Lúthien to a co-worker. He said he never read Tolkien but says he likes the Middle-Earth games, before changing the conversation to his excitement over the Ready Player One adaptation.

[Anonymous No.10981988]

>>10981971
kek

[Anonymous No.10982634]

>>10981527
Why? Beren & Luthien was a total gyp, it's basically nothing for people already familiar with the mythos. I wish he'd do something like the Children of Hurin again instead (arguably the best thing in the legendarium).

[Anonymous No.10983658]

>>10981766
I've often wondered what Christian thinks of Brian Herbert, the son of Frank Herbert, the author of Dune. Since they are both the sons of literary giants and continued their fathers works. Although Christian did a great job of it, the same can't be said for Brian.

[Anonymous No.10984925]

>>10981527
>cashing in before he cashes out
I guess I can't blame the guy desu.

[Anonymous No.10985710]

>>10981527
>Chris dies
>this gets a live action adaption
hell is real even if it isn't

[Anonymous No.10986008]

>>10985710
You mean anime adaptation?

[Anonymous No.10986080]

>>10986008
that would probably be much better than some live action shit, elves basically are supposed look like animes anyway

[Anonymous No.10986086]

>>10986008
I can see the Silmarillion working quite well as an animated anthology.

[Anonymous No.10986092]

>>10983658
I think Christopher sees himself as more of a guardian of his father's work than continuing it at all. He said he even got stressed about the edits he did to the Silmarillion to make the disparate notes and scraps fit together. His aim has always been to get JRR's stuff published in definitive editions.

[Anonymous No.10986104]

>>10986008
Too bad animes are populated by cute girls and LOTR is a sausage fest.

[Anonymous No.10986110]

>>10981700
yeah but it's the best there is

you can't say you wouldn't be a little curious if the brothers grimm had a long lost compendium of folklore and fairy tales that was believed non existent and holy shit it's getting published next monday

[Anonymous No.10986120]

>>10981970
unless if the amazon series focuses on the lesser known Tolkien works I don't know how this couldn't be some SyFy fanfic tier shit somehow worse than the hobbit trilogy.

at least we have Return of the King extended edition with its eleven endings. I really wouldn't have it any other way, that movie leaves me an emotional wreck

[Anonymous No.10986124]

>>10986008

you mean CG adaptations a la Berserk

[Anonymous No.10986202]

>>10981725
Tupac is garbage though.

[Anonymous No.10986221]

>>10986080
Nah. Anime never does elves well. It never does nonhumans well at all because it just makes them human, even actual animals are just humans. It destroys the point of having a nonhuman character.

[Anonymous No.10986292]

>>10986221
I'm assuming an adaptation of Tolkien wouldn't be so stereotypically anime styled, it should be a little more realistic like a ghibli movie

[Anonymous No.10986309]

>>10986292
something like this, a collaboration of western and nip studios
that would be nice

[Anonymous No.10986326]

>>10986080
Anime elves are basically Japanese men's fantasy of blonde white women

[Anonymous No.10986417]

>>10986326
>Anime are basically Japanese men's fantasy of blonde white women
ftfy

[Anonymous No.10986433]

>>10986110
A little curious? Sure, but not much more than that.
>that was believed non existent and holy shit it's getting published next monday
This story has been published tho.

[Anonymous No.10986476]

>>10981700
>grown men
I'm 22
went into puberty at age 9, if not 8
I'm still maturing physically.

[Anonymous No.10986496]

>>10986476
>this is what manlets believe
Sorry sunshine, but you're not going to be a man if you're not one at 18.

[Anonymous No.10986545]

>>10986496
I've not grown in height since 14.

[Anonymous No.10986891]

>>10986545
Yikes

[Anonymous No.10987067]

>>10981700
>not engaging in childish activities as an adult once in a while.

What a pity.

[Anonymous No.10987071]

>>10981700
Yet there's all these grown man reading mythology.

[Anonymous No.10987398]

>>10981527
Since Chris Tolkien said Beren was his last book, I was really sad, since when I was 17, I basically did what I'm betting he did for this book, splicing together the Unfinished Tale and Lost Tale version of this book. This is really exciting news!

[Anonymous No.10987399]

>>10981692
Well, you could read it in Unfinished tales and Book of Lost Tales 2.

[Anonymous No.10987404]

>>10987071
you do not fully comprehend how debased your post is, which is alright, you know not what you do

[Anonymous No.10987528]

>>10986104
Cute boipussi is now more marketable than cute girls

[Anonymous No.10987542]

>>10986110
I wouldn't give a fuck, honestly. The stories wouldn't be nearly as culturally relevant if they were unknown for two centuries, and seriously, who needs even more fables that are literally scientifically proven to be the same formulaic shit over and over again?

[Anonymous No.10987543]

>>10981766
In short, Christopher is a mythographer with a ticking time bomb.

[Anonymous No.10987580]

>>10987542
LotR is classic Anglo-Nordic fantasy, once the US is no longer majority Euro (so very soon), it will sink into obscurity. It just isn't a genre that resonates a lot with non-whites

[Anonymous No.10987622]

>>10987542
A perfectly legitimate procedure in itself—but ignorance or forgetfulness of the
nature of a story (as a thing told in its entirety) has often led such inquirers into strange
judgments. To investigators of this sort recurring similarities (such as this matter of the
heart) seem specially important. So much so that students of folk-lore are apt to get off their
own proper track, or to express themselves in a misleading “shorthand”: misleading in
particular, if it gets out of their monographs into books about literature. They are inclined to
say that any two stories that are built round the same folk-lore motive, or are made up of a
generally similar combination of such motives, are “the same stories.” We read that Beowulf
“is only a version of Dat Erdmänneken”; that “The Black Bull of Norroway is Beauty and the
Beast,” or “is the same story as Eros and Psyche”; that the Norse Mastermaid (or the Gaelic
Battle of the Birds and its many congeners and variants) is “the same story as the Greek tale
of Jason and Medea.”

Statements of that kind may express (in undue abbreviation) some element of truth; but
they are not true in a fairy-story sense, they are not true in art or literature. It is precisely the
colouring, the atmosphere, the unclassifiable individual details of a story, and above all the
general purport that informs with life the undissected bones of the plot, that really count.

[Anonymous No.10987903]

>>10986092
Do you think Brian & Christian ever met?

[Anonymous No.10987944]

>>10983658
>>10987903
Don't know why I thought his name was Christian not Christopher.

[Anonymous No.10988793]

>>10987542
>who needs even more fables that are literally scientifically proven to be the same formulaic shit over and over again?
That's retarded, anon.