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[Anonymous No.10980783]

What does /lit/ think of Granta's list of the best young British writers today?

Editor: Sigrid Rausing
>Jewish

1. Naomi Alderman
>privately educated
>Jewish
>Oxbridge

2. Ned Beauman
>privately educated
>Jewish
>Oxbridge

3. Adam Foulds
>privately educated
>Jewish
>Oxbridge

4. Joanna Kavenna
>privately educated
>Jewish
>Oxbridge

5. Benjamin Markovits
>privately educated
>Jewish
>Oxbridge

6. Adam Thirlwell
>privately educated
>Jewish
>Oxbridge

7. David Szalay
>privately educated
>Jewish
>Oxbridge

9. Evie Wyld

10. Zadie Smith
>black
>Oxbridge

11. Kamila Shamsie
>born in Pakistan

12. Taiye Selasi
>born in Nigeria

13. Sunjeev Sahota
>Punjabi

14. Ross Raisin

15. Helen Oyeyemi
>born in Nigeria
>Oxbridge

16. Nadifa Mohamed
>born in Somalia
>Oxbridge

17. Steven Hall

18. Sarah Hall

19. Xiaolu Guo
>born and raised in China

20. Jenni Fagan

21. Tahmima Anam
>born in Bangladesh

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22123175

[Anonymous No.10980799]

>>10980783
they arent jewish though are they

[Anonymous No.10980806]

>>10980783
Never heard of any of them.

Just stick to books written before the 1980s, your blood pressure will thank you for it.

[Anonymous No.10980811]

>zadie smith
>young

[Anonymous No.10980814]

>>10980799
Which one(s)?

Every single person listed as a Jew above is Jewish.

[Anonymous No.10980815]

>>10980783
Really activates my almonds.

[Anonymous No.10980856]

Jewish nepotism is a group evolutionary strategy, see Kevin MacDonald and pic.

[Anonymous No.10980863]

>>10980783
Jews have no creativity so it's okay,they will never truly usurp the superior anglo ubermenschen.

See Philip Roth if you need proof.

[Anonymous No.10980870]

>>10980783
wow why are young white Britons so bad at writing novels

[Anonymous No.10980879]

>>10980783
>today?
>2013
do fuck off

[Anonymous No.10980910]

>>10980879
It's their most recent list, today in this context meaning "recent" or whatever.

[Anonymous No.10980945]

Here is an interview with the editor / publisher of Granta. I wonder what her bias might be?

[Anonymous No.10980982]

>>10980856
Sell me on this, it seems interesting but I have so much to read already.

[Anonymous No.10981038]

>>10980945
>>10980783
So you're saying you wouldn't accept their offer if they wanted to publish your book?

[Anonymous No.10981103]

>>10981038
I unironically would turn down being included in the Granta list if I looked around and saw 50% Jews and 25% African / Asian-born non-Brits.

[Anonymous No.10981117]

>>10980783
>Zadie Smith
>young

[Anonymous No.10981123]

>the best young british novelist is the author of "zombies, run!: keeping fit and living well in the current zombie emergency", based on the popular app of the same name

absolute state of brit lit

[Anonymous No.10981148]

>>10980870
because young white Britons have a dystopian school system specifically designed to churn out idiots who are only good for depending on the state and voting for more of the same

[Anonymous No.10981178]

If you toned down the implied anti-semitism this is exactly the same sort of obnoxious shit that student union whingers would do, blogging and writing snide letters to the uni rag about class privilege using some irrelevant shit from half a decade ago instead of putting in effort to better themselves or their work. Horseshoe theory in action.

[Anonymous No.10981268]

bump

[Anonymous No.10981273]

>>10981178
Oh get fucked.

If they want identity politics, they'll get it. And we know (((what))) will be exposed as a result.

[Anonymous No.10981276]

>>10981178
Well its a good thing he didn't tone it down you fucking kike

[Anonymous No.10981282]

>>10981178
>bettering themselves

Yes, because the fact that a Jewish billionaire purchased a publication and then compiled a list of the best British writers which is ~50% Jewish, despite Jews making up something like 1% of the population, is just a result of hard work on their part. Get real.

[Anonymous No.10981289]

>>10981282
Don't forget she's an heiress not even a bussiness woman and she's only promoting Jews because she got MK Ultra'd by Swedish education and her kike husband

[Anonymous No.10981359]

>>10981289
husbands*

[Anonymous No.10981364]

>>10981178
>its not neputisum
>you are racist
fuck off

[Anonymous No.10981365]

>>10980982
Human sociobiology. We undergo natural selection as groups rather than as individual "selfish genes." A study of the sociobiology consequences of political policies, especially out-group immigration as it affects the biological fitness of the native group. The principles of biological commonly applied plants and animals, applied to human societies and groups.

[Anonymous No.10981373]

>largest Swedish publishing house is owned by Jewish family
>they also own largest newspaper, TV stations, radio stations, etc.
>one of the clan decides to become a writer
>finds an agent with the Jewish Salomonsson Agency
>submits his own book to his own family's publishing house
>gets published
>agent claims the publishing house had no idea who he was when he submitted the novel


https://www.thebookseller.com/news/bonnier-pair-bag-bonnier-book-416166

[Anonymous No.10981374]

If anyone is interested in discussing literature without /pol/tards ruining everything, look up r/literature. It's a damn shame but leddit has unironically become a better place for discussion and evaluation than here.

[Anonymous No.10981383]

>>10981282
>>10981289
Take your pills and then fuck off back to your containment board

Why the hell does anyone care about who gets put on these lists? You realize these lists are always governed by nepotism? It's not exclusive to Jews.

[Anonymous No.10981393]

>>10981383
>who cares who gets put on lists
>who cares who gets awards
>who cares who gets published
>who cares who gets read
>who cares about books

Well there goes the West

[Anonymous No.10981425]

>>10981282
>half the list are Oxbridge students
>no hard work

>>10981364
I hope you are misspelling that for effect and you aren't a shit dribbling retard blaming da joos for not being published

[Anonymous No.10981437]

>>10981425
>>half the list are Oxbridge students
>>no hard work

kek you don't know how Britain works

[Anonymous No.10981507]

>>10981437
From this alone I know you didn't actually go to Oxbridge. Bitter Durham brainlet at best most likely sub-Russel or sub-University tardling. Getting into Oxbridge isn't hard if you're really intelligent desu.

[Anonymous No.10981519]

>>10981507
>From this alone I know you didn't actually go to Oxbridge

Well no shit I'm not British I just lived there for a time. You're right its not hard to go there if you're really intelligent its also not hard if you got sent to certain secondary schools that drill you in right-think and you're non-white

[Anonymous No.10981521]

>>10981374
Bullshit! The very fact that Leddit has named accounts (however psuedonymous) means that it will never have truly free discourse. If one has a history of their posts, then one's intentions will always be derived — not from the content itself — but from the history of that user's content and the history of others' reaction (upboat, karma) to such content. Since the intention is derived in such a way, the post's authority will be derived in such a way. This misplacement of authority in the speaker, rather than the spoken, will always contaminate any discussion on R*ddit.

On 4chan, the Darwinian mentality does translate into a sort of brainwashing: "every day until you like it." But what is "it" that you like? "It" is complete anonymity. Anonymity is the freedom to contradict yourself, to grow intellectually unhindered by the past, to test out new ideas and new jokes without any consequence. "It" is not taking pride that you went to Oxbridge or have a few moist, fat flesh-holes; "it" is acknowledging that, while you may be the world's foremost Husserl scholar, nobody cares and you'll work at Wendy's until you die.

So, if you like your dialogues well-structured, but within equally well-structured limits of acceptability, fuck off to R*ddit and never return. I have no patience who longs for the return of clear boundaries of intellectual authority, so that they might be told what to believe and when.

[Anonymous No.10981535]

>>10981521
>Anonymity is the freedom to contradict yourself, to grow intellectually unhindered by the past, to test out new ideas and new jokes without any consequence.
Aka being a manbabby with no responsibility. Really made me think, actually.

[Anonymous No.10981539]

>>10981521
>The very fact that Leddit has named accounts (however psuedonymous) means that it will never have truly free discourse.

Thats only a fraction of the problem, you're forgetting you literally constantly get censored or promoted based on how popular the thing you're saying is

[Anonymous No.10981547]

>>10981535
>responsibility

[Anonymous No.10981567]

>>10981535
Have you reckon'd a thousand acres much? have you reckon'd the earth much?
Have you practis'd so long to learn to read?
Have you felt so proud to get at the meaning of poems?

Stop this day and night with me and you shall possess the origin of all poems,
You shall possess the good of the earth and sun, (there are millions of suns left,)
You shall no longer take things at second or third hand, nor look through the eyes of the dead, nor feed on the
spectres in books,
You shall not look through my eyes either, nor take things from me,
You shall listen to all sides and filter them from your self.

Long I was hugg'd close — long and long.

Immense have been the preparations for me,
Faithful and friendly the arms that have help'd me.

Cycles ferried my cradle, rowing and rowing like cheerful boatmen,
For room to me stars kept aside in their own rings,
They sent influences to look after what was to hold me.

[Anonymous No.10981577]

>>10981539
The "karma" system (literally who named that?) is a consequence of named accounts. I am pointing at the original of R•ddit's many sins.

[Anonymous No.10981590]

>>10981521

>On 4chan, the Darwinian mentality does translate into a sort of brainwashing: "every day until you like it." But what is "it" that you like? "It" is complete anonymity. Anonymity is the freedom to contradict yourself, to grow intellectually unhindered by the past, to test out new ideas and new jokes without any consequence.

You're right and that's precisely why 4chan is a training board. It's why we're replete with teenagers instead of oldfags.

[Anonymous No.10981601]

>>10980783
First lady has decent Goodreads reviews, but the next two have sub 3.4, and my library doesn't have candidates 4-6 and 12.

David Szalay's All That Man Is was a Man Booker nominee and has 3.67 stars (probably skippable). Evie Wyld sits at 3.62 pretty much across the board. Both seem middlebrow.

I've only read Zadie Smith's Embassy of Cambodia story and it was good, but it didn't compel me to dive into her longer works of fiction.

Home Fire by Kamila Shamsie has good reviews; also Man Booker nominee. Seems okay. Definitely a stand out so far, but her novel Burnt Shadows sounds more appealing story-wise.

So I get to The Year of the Runaways by Sunjeev Sahota (3.85) and it says, "a sweeping, urgent contemporary epic, set against a vast geographical and historical canvas." That basically describes Shamsie, Selasie, Guo, and most books from these authors. If there's that noticeable of a formula, then it's clear to see why all these books are resonating: variations on a theme.

Waterline by Ross Raisin (3.77) doesn't fit the mold. Seems milquetoast: guy follows his wife home to Australia, she dies, he has to adjust. If anything it fits into the larger theme of moving across borders and displacement. So it's safe to see why it's on this list with the others.

Helen Oyeyemi (range 3.3-3.6). Someone I know read two of her books and said they're just all right.

Orchard of Lost Souls by Nadifa Mohamed (3.81) actually does sound interesting. I might actually check it out sometime. Same with The Raw Shark Texts by Steven Hall (3.87).

Sarah Hall also ranges from 3.3 to 3.8 for her novel The Wolf Border about the reintroduction of wild wolves in the U.K., which could be okay for someone, but doesn't appeal to me.

The Panopticon is Jenni Fagan's highest rated young adult novel at 3.63, but that could be that the concept is above most YA readers. Seems interesting, but I wouldn't read it.

I'd go more in depth, but this should suffice. I wanted to add more to this thread just to break the monotony of /pol/ whining about Jews and diversity.

For the record, I like to read international works, and one of my favourite publishers is New Directions. But I don't think a lot of these authors appeal enough to me to make me diverge from my current reading list.

[Anonymous No.10981609]

>>10981590
Exactly so! — but oldfags must remain to train the teenagers. The real question is: why do the few oldfags remain? I have no answer, but here are some possibilities:
>They don't get the same stimulus from discourse from their closest friends, because their closest IRL friends are actually not close (or open-minded) enough to have candid discussion
>Pure nostalgia, a longing for childhood mischief
>A communal sense of duty in raising the next generation to be critically minded and hostile to rank bullshit
I've experienced the first two, but the third seems like wishful thinking.

[Anonymous No.10981642]

>>10981609

I personally like how the board isn't afraid to discuss anything but in the same vein it feels like threads don't often diverge enough and the speed of this board is now so fast that it doesn't accommodate discussion about non-flavour of the month topics. That's a new thing and why I've pulled back a lot over the past year.

I suppose I like the social factor as per point 2. There's a like-mindedness to this board. I enjoy discussing literature as if I'm reading the experiences of a person not trying to sound extremely smart about the subject. It's much better when people are willing to discuss a topic in relation to their feelings and/or personal lives. To get hurt in the equation and to learn something through failure. Reddit is too nice for that.

[Anonymous No.10981649]

>>10981642

Also Reddit feels a lot like hard work. It constantly reminds me that I should be doing something that actually matters and will make me feel good rather than constructing intricate dialogues with people online. That's always a hollow sensation.

[Anonymous No.10981651]

>>10981649
Thats true, there's a reason effort posters are scum

[Anonymous No.10981670]

>>10981649
i dont get this
does posting on the gutter of the internet count as doing something meaningful?
in that case im a motherfucking ace

[Anonymous No.10981677]

>>10981649
>>10981651
You're looking at it all wrong. I screen cap decent posts, or take notes, and basically use /lit/ as a writing prompt to get the juices flowing. There's certain avenues of thought I wouldn't have explored without the back and forth that's lacking IRL.

[Anonymous No.10981695]

>>10981670

No, but it's low-effort. Instead of writing intricate posts and feeling little accomplishment doing so, 4chan allows for a little bit of shared-interest discussion before you inevitably move on to the other, more important, parts of your life. I tend only to post here in the morning when I'm waking up and can't be bothered to do anything else.

Also, you tend to get responses here quickly. You have to check-in to Reddit (and other forums) throughout the day to see if people have replied. That's a pain in the arse. So much effort for so little reward.

[Anonymous No.10981698]

>>10981677

>You're looking at it all wrong. I screen cap decent posts, or take notes, and basically use /lit/ as a writing prompt to get the juices flowing.

That's perfectly admirable. Keep it up.

[Anonymous No.10981752]

>>10981507
Mate 50% of Oxbridge students are from private schools. It isn't because they're bright.

[Anonymous No.10981754]

>>10980783
I don't get it. Am I supposed to be upset that Jewish Oxbridge students are intelligent and talented or something?

[Anonymous No.10981777]

>>10981752

Private school kids are unbelievably good at passing exams when it matters. It's a mentality that is but a void to others at that age. It's literally the way the path forks. It's an uncomplicated world of connections and private tutors.

[Anonymous No.10981787]

>>10981754
If you read their books you'd know that isn't the case

[Anonymous No.10981791]

Im sure theres plenty of regular anglos that are fine at writing. These rags always do this kind of shit to appeal to the midbrow yuppies.

[Anonymous No.10981800]

>>10981791
>These rags always do this kind of shit to appeal to the midbrow yuppies.

This is the problem. When no one is actually buying books the industry just becomes a self serving charity
A century ago no one could stop good books if they tried but now it just takes one silly Jewish cunt to flush an entire nations literary culture down the toilet. What dark age is this

[Anonymous No.10981823]

>>10981777
I agree that private schools do produce more intelligent students, or at least those better at rote learning etc. But there are plenty of kids getting A*s at A Level who don't get into Oxbridge despite that. Money talks. Alumnus donations etc.

[Anonymous No.10981860]

>>10980783
>17. Steven Hall
>18. Sarah Hall
are they fucking??

[Anonymous No.10981914]

>>10981800
Wrong, absolutely wrong.

It's a free market culture now. It's globalized. There are more books being published than ever and more "professional" writers (or wannabe professionals) doing all they can to get ahead of the queue.

Look at the countless weekend writing retreats, Faber&Faber courses, MFAs etc all promising to get you in the limelight for the allotted 15 minutes. People are throwing tons of money to get themselves noticed.

When a culture, or market, is reduced a globalized state where only money (being most powerful) can really serve to differentiate people, then notions such as "British" become malleable. For example, someone born in Nigeria, or Somalia, or China, or Pakistan who then move to the UK (thanks to politicians like the Jew Barbara Roche) are then used as padding for a list in which the children of the extremely wealthy (who are disproportionately Jewish) are served as the main meal.

You can reference things like the literary history of the Jews, or their traditional role as the book keepers and scribes in society due to ostrichsizednation etc, but when a list reaches 50% Jewish, and has a Jewish editor etc, then it's more than a case of genetic predisposition or the influence of some religio-cultural upbringing.

It's the result of the concept of British being undermined, loyalty towards fellow Brits being ridiculed, and its place money and the tribal loyalty of extremely wealthy, powerful yet oppressed (and therefore beyond reproach) minorities.

The days where Britain was largely homogenous, with people like Colin Wilson, D.H. Lawrence ... hang on, my mum's calling me.... and other British writers could "break into" the London high cultural class are frankly over unless they're willing to preach some "f***k da system" nonsense like Kate Tempest, in which case they are no better than the Africans etc who these people treat as cultural pets.

[Anonymous No.10981915]

>>10981860

Aren't we all?

[Anonymous No.10981965]

>>10981800

Is this the new dark ages?

[Anonymous No.10981990]

>>10981787
They probably grab their stories underprivileged refugees from the news and then write about that because they've had no real struggle outside of their studies, and the current climate loves that tale of the noble savage pulling themselves up by the bootstraps to enjoy the scraps of European/North American life.

[Anonymous No.10982017]

>>10981965
Not really. Everything that has been published is still readily available and you can find writers coming out of the woodwork if you want to put in the effort. NYRB and New Directions are my go to publishers. There's also online lectures, articles, and so many resources nowadays. There's probably never been a better time to be into literature, but there is a low bar for what passes as great in the eyes of the cultural gatekeepers, and so if you want recognition you need to write some "sweeping, urgent contemporary epic, set against a vast geographical and historical canvas" that extolls the virtues of the bootstrapping immigrant making their way to Europe or America. Otherwise just dig your nose into classics.

>>10981914
>It's a free market culture now. It's globalized. There are more books being published than ever and more "professional" writers (or wannabe professionals) doing all they can to get ahead of the queue.
>Look at the countless weekend writing retreats, Faber&Faber courses, MFAs etc all promising to get you in the limelight for the allotted 15 minutes. People are throwing tons of money to get themselves noticed.
>When a culture, or market, is reduced a globalized state where only money (being most powerful) can really serve to differentiate people, then notions such as "British" become malleable. For example, someone born in Nigeria, or Somalia, or China, or Pakistan who then move to the UK (thanks to politicians like the Jew Barbara Roche) are then used as padding for a list in which the children of the extremely wealthy (who are disproportionately Jewish) are served as the main meal.

This is good insight.

[Anonymous No.10982042]

>>10982017

It feels like there is so much untold even as soon as a few decades back... dont get the sense that I know that much 'truth' at all

[Anonymous No.10982044]

>>10981965
>>10982017
In the Dark Ages they had nothing but today we are blinded by light

[Anonymous No.10982052]

>>10982017
>you can find writers coming out of the woodwork if you want to put in the effort

[Anonymous No.10982117]

>>10982052
Thank you. Very insightful. You're really carrying the flame, anon.

[Anonymous No.10982124]

>>10980863
Job, Ecclesiastes, Kafka, Proust, Isaac Singer, Joseph Heller,

[Anonymous No.10982248]

>>10982052
He is right. One of the reasons I respect Tao Lin (despite the fact he is a child of immense wealth whose career has benefitted from said wealth) is that he has always stayed away from aligning himself with anything too mainstream or that might risk him selling out. He has long championed lesser-known writers, both alt-lit and otherwise, and supported independent publishing houses etc.

One of the reasons alt-lit was so fascinating is because it was the literary equivalent to bitcoin in the financial world. A culture of young, rebellious, supportive writers who reviewed one another, featured one another's work on their blogs etc, and so on. It only lasted for a short while but I still think what it represented was great. If you don't like the work of Steve Roggenbuck, Noah Cicero, Spencer Madsen etc then fine, but they have put a lot of effort into establishing and maintaining an inclusive community for those wanting to write who lack the finances, connections, personality etc to "make it" in a mainstream sense. Their work is often very interesting too and in a variety of ways (or for a variety of reasons), in my opinion.

How to counter the cultural rot?

I don't know. Perhaps it will take a very small handful of writers publishing their work for free online and becoming memed into the mainstream by anons here. 4chan in many ways functions just like Lovecraft's United Amateur Press Association, that is to say individuals coming together for free, helping each other out, and creating their own literary sub-culture,.

>"The literature produced by members [of the United Amateur Press Association] varied widely in both content and quality: poetry, essays, fiction, reviews, news items, polemics, and every other form of writing that can fit into a small compass. [...] Lovecraft realised the beneficial effects of amateurdom when he wrote in 1921: "Amateur Journalism has provided me with the very world in which I live. Of a nervous and reserved temperament, and cursed with an aspiration which far exceeds my endowments, I am a typical misfit in the larger world of endeavour, and singularly unable to derive enjoyment from ordinary miscellaneous activities. In 1914. when the kindly hand of amateurdom was first extended to me, I was as close to the state of vegetation as any animal well can be"