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10965906 No.10965906 [Reply] [Original]

>anyone writing cosmic horror has a responsibility to confront Lovecraft's racism

>> No.10965948

Lovecraft was right, though

>> No.10965952

>>10965906
What was the cat’s name again?

>> No.10965957

>>10965952
Snowy

>> No.10966003

>>10965906
I'm Slavic, so that doesn't rate very well with HPL. I don't think that White (WASP) people should in their Lovecraft/Mythos inspired work constantly make apologies or confront Lovecraft. Just do your work as best you can.

Also, Cosmic Horror is not Lovecraft's 'registered trademark' nowadays. You don't even need to mentions HP himself. There are multiple perspective on that sub-genre, most of them are non-literary anyway.

>> No.10966074

HPL's racism is merely a reflection of the fear of unknown.

>> No.10966167

>>10965906

>wtf i love lovecraft now

>> No.10966174

>>10966167
t. soyboy

>> No.10966199

Senior is a better writer than Lovecraft.

>> No.10966708

I'm Brazilian - a "latino" - and i like Lovecraft, i great admire him.

Dont be too hard on him.

>> No.10966721

do people ACTUALLY get bent out of shape if some long-dead writer didn't like niggers?

>> No.10966964

>>10966721
Trannies and other mentally unhinged people do.
https://twitter.com/tsercele/status/981925891944132608

>> No.10966985

Didn't Lovecraft eventually repudiate his views when he was older? Even if he didn't, of course, I don't see the big deal.

>> No.10967098

>>10965906
a complete tool made this

>> No.10967401

>>10966985
He supposedly "calmed down" a bit, but the themes of xenophobia and racial impurity were still permeating his writing. Honestly it just makes his writing a bit more interesting than what might otherwise just be scary, weird stories. It grounds them in the era and into sociology, which only makes them all the more worth studying.

Alan Moore's Providence addresses his racism and -phobias in a way that informs the setting and the themes of that work. It's really exciting. I also hear something called Lovecraft Country does this too, but I have not read it.

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>>10965906

>> No.10967466

>>10967450
this was good until the last panel, and then it became non-sequitur red-pilled.

>> No.10967481

>>10965906
Lovecraft's racism exploded when he was unemployed in New York. If you compare passages of him describing the "gibbering masses" of foreigners in New York in correspondence to well known passages of unintelligible cosmic horror he clearly associates other races with disgust, horror and terror.

>> No.10967506

>>10965906
>anyone writing cosmic horror has a responsibility to stop writing

>> No.10967514

>>10967481
>unemployed in New York
When you're lower than a Costa Rican.

>> No.10967531

he wrote a poem about how awful niggers are
he possibly thought they laid eggs

>> No.10967583

>>10966074
Lovecrafts fear of the unknown was merely a reflection of his racism

>> No.10967589

>>10967531
>he possibly thought they laid eggs
don't they?

>> No.10967595

>>10966985
Near the end of his life he expressed regret over his old views. However, he never definitively said, "I'm now okay with niggers, Jews, and the lower classes," so we don't know for certain if he had abandoned his xenophobia.

>> No.10967626

>>10967514
He tried to get a job but no one would hire him because he was a scrawny 20something year old NEET who didn't have a high school diploma or a resume.

>> No.10967680

>>10967589
Nigger here, can confirm we do.

>> No.10967683

>>10967450
Kek. Did you make that?

>> No.10967724

>>10965952
Blackboi

>> No.10967851

>>10965952
Cracka Man

>> No.10967861

>>10967466
it's the last panel that makes it

>> No.10967865

>>10966708
you have a long and storied tradition of great
literature though because the jesuits colonized you good. niggers are insecure with reading and writing.

>> No.10967866

>>10967450
This makes more sense then the retarded original. The old guy looks the opposite of a liberal/SJW.

>> No.10967869

>>10965952
Mister Fuliginous

>> No.10967874

>>10967514
Reminds me of /pol/

>> No.10968042

>>10967861
Nah, everything before that.

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>>10967466
>>10967861
>>10968042

>> No.10968309

>>10968288
V. nice, fuck niggers

>> No.10968312

>>10965906
> shub nigger-wrath

>> No.10968343
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Learn and build from the masters of the craft. The African problem is more acute today that it was in Lovecraft's time; London is lost, Detroit is lost, Baltimore is lost, they occupy much of the North after the Great Migration, Europe and Australia are importing new burdens, South Africa is crumbling and so on. It needs a stronger response than Lovecraft offered, we need the modern students of the master to confront and defeat this monster in literary form to didactically teach modern man what is needed to be done.

>> No.10968348

>>10968343
Go back to /pol/

>> No.10968350

>>10968288
You got me. This really built on the series in a funny way

>> No.10968355

>>10968343
>The African problem
kek

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>>10968355
Expect this to happen

>> No.10968393

>>10968288
mild lol

>> No.10968397

>>10968288
This is a masterpiece on a lot of levels

>> No.10968419
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>>10966964
Can confirm, I was at a house party a week ago checking out a friend's bookshelf and was thumbing through a biography on Lovecraft when this trans faggot came up to me and asked me why I was such a racist. Naturally I was taken aback and asked him what he meant, and he went off on this rant about how Lovecraft had a cat called nigger-man and how he had written about how the Jews and blacks on the streets of New York were subhuman monstrosities, or something along those lines. I was already pretty sauced up on whisky so I can barely remember what he said or how I replied, but apparently I said something to this faggot that offended him so much that he left the party early lol. My friends were trying to scold me about it the other day but I just kept laughing cause I thought it was hilarious.

>> No.10968432

>>10968343
"the enemies arent the negros, the enemy is (((he))) who brought them here."

also >>10968348 cocksucker

>> No.10968439

>>10968288
BTFO

>> No.10968456

>>10968432
Fuck off back to your containment board

>> No.10968477

>>10968456
make me, big boii ;)

>> No.10968483

>>10968456
/lit/ is the intellectual wing of /pol/ and we hate niggers

>> No.10968496

>>10968483
There is no intellectual wing of /pol/ because /pol/ has no intelligence to begin with. Stay in the containment board moot created to contain your autism so the rest of the site doesn't have to deal with you people sperging about Jews and blacks.

>> No.10968500

>>10968496
t. cocksucker

>> No.10968535

>>10968419
huh? huh? huh?

>> No.10968553

Does anyone anyone besides annoying progressives actually give a shit about this shit.

>> No.10968563

>>10965906
Everyone is racist. No one has a "responsibility to confront" racism or anything else in any writer they read. Such leftist claptrap.

>> No.10968586

>>10968553
Fuck, I'm a progressive socdem and even I don't give a shit. Times were different a century ago. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who DIDN'T think blacks were subhuman back then.

>> No.10968588

desu I've always seen his fiction less as "muh race dilution" and more about dark ancestry. Far as I know both of Lovecraft's parents went insane, and he was terrified he would end up the same way, that it could be something hereditary. That's where the horror comes from, not "oh shit, my ancestor banged some unearthly thing that might as well be a nigger."

>> No.10968594

>>10968496
lol your flailing is funny

>> No.10968598

Does anyone have the version of this meme where they're discussing Edward Said? Please and thank you.

>> No.10968603

>>10968496
Im sure there are some non complete idiots on there. You know like black people.

>> No.10968630

>>10968496
>>10968603
samefag

>> No.10969027

>>10966074
This. He was completely sheltered and never wanted to leave his little New England town. His parents both ended up in asylums and he never had a real job. If he was alive today he would more than likely be shitposting on /lit/ and /pol/. Once he started socializing a little he came out of his shell and even married a Jew and moved to New York City for a while. I wouldn’t even be surprised if he was on the spectrum the way people talked about him.

>> No.10969041

Hilarious
https://youtu.be/EkupUtNYeAA

>> No.10969071
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Wait why?
Cosmic horror has nothing to do with Lovecrafts xenophobia. Yes it influenced some of his works because of the tiers of races but the same effect can come from economic classes

>> No.10969074

Racism is a moral good. Fuck jews and fuck publishers

>> No.10969077
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>>10965906
If I had my way, I would build a lethal chamber as big as the Crystal Palace, with a military band playing softly, and a Cinematograph working brightly; then I’d go out in the back streets and main streets and bring them in, all the sick, the halt, and the maimed; I would lead them gently, and they would smile me a weary thanks; and the band would softly bubble out the ‘Hallelujah Chorus’.

early 20th century anglos were hardcore, if only they had listened to people like Lovecraft or DH Lawrence.

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>>10967466
I'm so redpilled i literally believe jews/trans people lay eggs and feed on unbaptised white children. This is the hell reality I inhabit, you could have prevented this. The managerial liberal humanist homostate didn't indoctrinate me the right way, they fucked it all up and I ended up a feral psychotic neonazi skinhead. Buddy, I wish I could be a regular guy, get married move to the suburbs, a dog a midmarket sedan and 2.5 beautiful white children, but alas, it wasn't meant to be. Death or Wallhalla.

>> No.10969560

Can someone explain the horror of Lovecraft? I read "The Rats In The Walls" and I guess I'm a brainlet or something but while his writing was good and the concept was interesting, none of it made me think "wow that's a pretty scary thing going on". I keep hearing how it's one of his best works.

>> No.10969565

>>10969560
It's the fact that humans are insignificant in the grand scheme of things

>> No.10969574

>>10969560
Lovecraft has cosmic horror, miscegenation horror, shitty cosmic horror, and dream cycle stuff

The miscegenation horror like Rats is pretty good but less intuitively scary. A couple stories are like this, just "the protagonist finds out he's part of a voodoo cult and wanders off into the woods," not much else.

The shitty cosmic horror is the stuff that's just not very good, mediocre stories that don't quite come together. Call of Cthulhu is honestly like this.

Good cosmic horror is the stuff that makes you go "ohhh fuck," like when the dude picks up a mysterious object and looks into its glassy surface and sees a strange alien dimension but then suddenly gets the sinking feeling that something is looking back at HIM. That kind of thing is what he's most known for, but it's not present in all stories.

Dream cycle is arguably his best but is also weird and may not satisfy your craving.

There's arguably a fifth category which is "unnamed antiquity" horror, which often goes with cosmic and miscegenation interchangeably. The idea that you're in a city, for example, that's so ancient that the thing(s) that lived there regard(s) you being there as a trespass, or at least you get the sense that you are really really not supposed to be there. Mountains of Madness type deal.

When reading Lovecraft you have to shop around a bit until you find the stuff that you like. Try Haunter in the Dark or Colour out of Space.

>> No.10969593

>>10965906
>Lovecraft consistently portrayed foreign traditions as a corrupting influence on white people
This is true, though.

>> No.10969605

>>10969593
no anon, it reversed really
colonialism was they ruin of many minorities

>> No.10969628

>>10968553
anyone who gives a shit about lovecraft. the idea that he was a writer of "cosmic horror" (lol) who also happened to be racist is a misconception by the sort of people who confuse lovecraft fanfiction for the real thing. lovecraft's actual writing is defined by him being a nigger-hater who knows, in his heart of hearts, that he is a nigger himself. it's racial horror.

>> No.10970045

>>10969605
If their shitty cultures didn't have them living in the stoneage they wouldn't have been colonized

>> No.10970116

>>10965906
I've seen this meme only a couple of times and already I hate it

>> No.10970121

>>10968288
oh shit havent laughed this hard at a post in a long time

>> No.10970138
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>> No.10970150

>>10970116
...on the other hand, this
>>10968288
was fun

>> No.10970171

>>10970138
someone post the one about ruins

>> No.10970264

>>10965906
>using the phrase 'white people'
Hello American

>> No.10970267

>>10965906
>implying the late 20th and early 21st century didn't feature almost everything feared
B-b-b-b-but don't be mean to the invaders l!!!

>> No.10970344

i think i might be recognising repeated mentioning of lovecraft (despite what appears to be a general consensus of his writing skill not being all that impressive) as a tool. as far as i can tell, the type of /lit/ poster keen on quashing all instances of /pol/ murmurings finds lovecraft to be a useful 'undesirable' to be made an example of
>he was a shut-in, sickly, unemployed, socially inept loser, remember
>no wonder people that don't like miscegenation or strong foreign transformation in their home country turn out to be such bitter insecure virgin losers
>you wouldn't want to be labelled as one of them, would you anon?

>> No.10970374

>>10970344
man, who even cares about this shit

>> No.10970381

>>10970374
shut up cuck

>> No.10970390

>>10970381
fuck off kike

>> No.10970440

Just imagine being scared at the thought that foreigners might one day invade your country and displace your people. You'd have to be suffering from some kind of phobia to be afraid of that. Such irrational fear! Nothing like that has ever happened, nor could it ever happen. It's simply impossible. Lovecraft was a fool! A fool! A FOOL!

>> No.10970561

>>10968288
bravissimo

>> No.10970594

>>10967531
Source for where he speculates on this?

>> No.10970603

>>10970344
>despite what appears to be a general consensus of his writing skill not being all that impressive
Tons of people on here enjoy Lovecraft's writing.

>> No.10970723

I am a mestizo and I don't give a fuck about it when I read him, who is actually annoyed by it?

>> No.10970760

>>10967583
this

>> No.10970775

>>10969574
wtf a good post

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>>10965952
African American Gentlesir.

>> No.10970864

>>10970723
See:
>>10966964

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>>10968343
>the “African problem”
>good goy, blame the “refugees”. Ignore the (((Chinese))) strip mining Africa, ignore the (((Americans))) funding proxy wars. Just remember that (((Israel))) is your greatest ally

>> No.10970976

Glad to see that /pol/ are equal opportunity board-ruiners.

>> No.10970981

>>10966964
Why does anyone care what some twit thinks on the Internet's shithole? In fact, why do 'journalists' even bother looking at what people are saying on there when no one really gives a shit. Who even uses Twitter nowadays aside from following breaking news stories or stalking celebrities?

Besides, if it bothers them so much, then they may as well apply their experience with their own 'others' to writing cosmic horror of their own flavor instead of bitching about it on the Internet. If Lovecraft could apply his hangups to the genre, what's stopping them aside from a lack of talent?

>> No.10971099

>>10965952
NIGGERMAN

>> No.10971117

>>10965906
Since when is that a rule? Its not like every existentialist has to confront Kafka's autism

>> No.10971137

>>10967481
Thats what redhook will do to ya

>> No.10971175

Can someone explain to me how someone who was so prescient of the fact that we have a deep-rooted fear of the unknown, and then be smart enough to exploit that fear to write fiction, be oblivious to the fact that xenophobia taps into that same primal drive?

>> No.10971242

>>10971099
gasp
He said it.

>> No.10971329

>>10971175
Ignorance is bliss and it’s impossible to understand your own flaws and accept the fact you’re your worse enemy

>> No.10971383

>>10971175
>be oblivious to the fact that xenophobia taps into that same primal drive?
How do you know he was oblivious to it? He clearly wasn't later in life.
Its more likely that he was aware of this and simply didn't care because he thought his fear was justified.
Lovecraft wasn't stupid.

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>>10968288
good post anon

>> No.10971736

>>10967874
I'm not surprised, the race based and largely segregation city planning of Robert Moses is a harsh subject. Especially with how it added more hostility to the Costa Rican communities and their conflict with marginalized native groups such as Poles and Blacks who saw the immigrants as both a lower class race and yet saw them getting jobs.
>>10967626
> he was a scrawny 20something year old NEET who didn't have a high school diploma or a resume.
I repeat, lower than a Costa Rican.

>> No.10972587

>>10971175
Because that fears is clearly justified, you gigantic retard

>> No.10973167

>>10970603
>>10970344
I love a few of his stories and like plenty of them but I can still objectively say he wasn’t that great of a writer. He was mostly self taught and really was just doing his best to imitate Poe. He’s purple prose: the author. I still own quite a few of his collections and reread his stories.

>> No.10973174

>>10971383
>Lovecraft wasn't stupid.
He literally couldn’t into math, the lovable dummy.

>> No.10973181

>>10970960
>you just hate us cus you ain’t us

>> No.10973212

>>10969560
Read Colour out of Space, even he considered it his best work. You have to remember though that Lovecraft wrote for pulp magazines. It probably won’t seem as unique or mind blowing to you now because of how influential he has been. Just about every modern horror movie or novel has his fingerprints on it.

>> No.10973224

>>10971099
I'm calling the police.

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>>10968432
You are very good in argumenting, sir
now be a good retard and fuck off

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Racism? What racism?

>> No.10973857

>>10968364
That’s more r/the_donald then /pol/ dipshit

>> No.10973980

>>10965952
Shaq

>> No.10974048

>>10973805
The way it builds up to the punchline makes it hilarious, even if you aren’t racist. It’s like something you’d see scribbled on a bathroom stall

>> No.10974057

>>10965906
>whitey fucks with elder gods
>shit gets fucked
>blackie fucks with elder gods
>shit gets fucked
Does it even cosmically matter in the long run?

>> No.10974066

>>10973181
>not being a self-hating jew
Kys cuck

>> No.10974070

>>10968553
go back to /pol/ posters are more annoying than /pol/ posters

>> No.10974097

>>10974066
I was summarizing her quote ya dummy

>> No.10974114

>>10971099
TAKE ME BY THE HAND

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>>10965948
fpbp

>> No.10974204

>>10965952
niceafricanamericangentleman

>> No.10974214

>>10973174
But he was fascinated by science and wrote numerous papers on chemistry and astrology.

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>>10968288

>> No.10974282

>>10974214
>astrology

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>>10974123
Oh i love white nationalist, they are always so delusional

>> No.10974333

>>10968432
let's be real though, projected 4 billion coming down the pipeline by 2100.

>> No.10974344

>>10969112
distinguishing between death and Valhalla.. anon... I ..

>> No.10974396

>>10965952
Muh Nigga-Man

>> No.10974405

>>10974324
t. claims to not be racist but still pretends to think Hannibal Burris has comedic merit out of the same whig paternalism that shipped HB's great-granpappy over in the first place.

>> No.10974615

>>10967514
>>10971736
what is your obsession with costa ricans? they've never been prevalent in the USA. i highly suspect lovecraft never even knew costa rica existed.

>> No.10974823

>>10974214
He loved astronomy and wanted to be an astronomer until he realized he didn’t have the math education to do it. So he decided to write about it instead.

>> No.10975052

>>10968288
masterpiece

>> No.10975080

>>10968288
Superlative kek.

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>>10965906

>> No.10975344

>>10975089
>leftypol tries to meme

>> No.10975382

>>10970344
>he was a shut-in, sickly, unemployed, socially inept loser
Why do so many people think this? The only thing completely correct is the sickly part, everything else is misconstrued at best. I suppose if you define employment as working for another person/company full time, you could consider Lovecraft unemployed. However, he not only wrote quite a bit of his own stories, but also did revisions for other writers as a way of earning money. He was not at all like the NEET degenerates of today who sit around doing nothing but playing video games and watching porn. He also had a circle of friends (mainly other writers) who he corresponded with regularly. Lovecraft had sent thousands of letters to friends, family, and various acquaintances over the course of his lifetime, which doesn't seem like the behavior of a socially inept recluse to me.

>> No.10975384

>>10967595
>Near the end of his life he expressed regret over his old views.
I've heard people say this, but I've never seen any evidence of it.

>> No.10975389

>>10970045
Will you next be saying, "if that woman had been stronger she wouldn't have let me rape her".

>> No.10975403

>>10975089
the guy that literally invented class warfare hates identity politics?

>> No.10975408

>>10975389
The difference is that colonization actually brought modern medicine, technology, and overall a better quality of life to underdeveloped regions of the world. Once colonized nations become independent, they eventually revert back to third world living standards because none of them have a deep enough understanding of the new technology to be able to maintain it.

>> No.10976001

>>10966964
God i hate viral tweets

>> No.10976317

>>10974123
yeah fuck the globalists for taking away my opportunity to die in a useless chink war halfway around the world

>> No.10976328

>>10974123
Fashwave is probably the most cancerous and retarded thing ever convinced on the internet. The lack of self awareness that using an aesthetic created by Tumblr faggots and music created by mentally ill genderqueers in order to promote """""fascism"""""" denotes is astonishing.

>> No.10976339

>>10975403
there's not a brainlet wojak image deep enough for this post

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>>10968288
Quality

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>>10966964
anyone else fucking HATE those Pozzed KultMarx Schreechazzoids?

>> No.10976431

>>10966964
I'm writing a cosmic horror based on the feeling of visceral horror and dread I get from furries and trans people.

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>>10968288
For future evidence and reference

>> No.10976543

>>10976431
Society is being subverted by shrill mutant freaks who mutilate themselves an others out of self righteous perversion, splicing themselves with animals and preying on innocent children. This is not a lovecraft tale, this is America 2018 AD

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>>10965948

>> No.10976629

>>10975384
His letters. The man wrote down practically every detail of his life and mind in his letters.

>> No.10976637

>>10976431
Would read.

>> No.10977504

>>10976435
Thanks, anon.

>> No.10977890

Gotta love how people here keep bringing up Lovecraft's supposed racism in negative light, despite this whole website being populated by unabashed diehard racists

>> No.10977997

>>10976435
Nice, thank you.

>> No.10978003
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cheeky cunt