>Stand up straight with your shoulders back >slouches constantly I'm reading "12 Rules For Life," which is a great book so far, but is our guy JBP a hypocrite?

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Anonymous Tue Apr 3 09:42:11 2018 No.10942719 [DELETED]

>Stand up straight with your shoulders back
>slouches constantly

I'm reading "12 Rules For Life," which is a great book so far, but is our guy JBP a hypocrite?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 09:43:44 2018 No.10942724 >>10942719 To clarify, he constantly uses bad posture, is JBP a hippo in this regard?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 09:44:03 2018 No.10942727 >>10942719 If I stand up too straight my fat belly sticks out so I hunch over ever so slightly which seems to make it look a wee bit smaller.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 09:45:13 2018 No.10942733 >>10942727 just wear a corset fatty

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 09:47:56 2018 No.10942740 Posture, if yours isn't so good most of the time, is something that takes consistent awareness to improve. Peterson probably tries his best to do this, but at his age a physical habit such as slouching is an everyday battle.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 09:59:30 2018 No.10942776 >>10942719 why is this guy famous?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 10:04:29 2018 No.10942797 File: 10 KB, 277x277, chGCA3z.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10942776 because he shits on SJWs and is actually pretty smart. He believes that truth is rooted in morality and uses all sorts of religious texts to support that claim.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 10:05:50 2018 No.10942801 File: 28 KB, 600x337, 13297533.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10942797 >>10942776 *religious texts and biology

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 10:06:23 2018 No.10942806 >>10942776 Brilliant orator who talks about archetypal ideas.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 10:08:39 2018 No.10942814 >>10942776 He denounced excessive identity politics in a way that appealed to disaffected young men. Then when they found out he had some entry-level life advice that they'd never heard before he suddenly became a god to them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 10:13:46 2018 No.10942845 >>10942719 From what I've heard it's not necessarily literal (although it's a good advice). His point throughout the chapter is to be aggressive, or not back down. I haven't read it, but he's talked about it endlessly.

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 10:16:40 2018 No.10942862

>>10942845
iirc it's pretty literal. he compares it to the posture of lobsters; neurologically, standing up straight, and posture in general, supposedly affects serotonin release in lobsters. the ones that are submissive and defeated have bad posture and lower serotonin. the opposite is true for victorious lobsters.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 10:18:55 2018 No.10942871 >>10942797 fag

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 10:20:19 2018 No.10942879
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>>10942776
"Jordan Peterson, the polarizing celebrity chef who gain attention in the recent months, is a unique figure in the online culinary world. His bestseller cookbook 12 Ways To Cook A Lobster, dominated the lists for weeks in America. But he's not just an expert on crustaceans. His friend and colleague, Samuel Harris, Asian Culinary Expert, veered him onto the road toward worldwide fame when he invited Peterson to his online cooking show,
"The Waking Up Pot Roast", where their collaboration peaked in the creation of Wok Seared Fish and Shrimp Cakes, a wordwide-renowned and beloved Hawaiian delicacy."

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 10:23:16 2018 No.10942890 File: 94 KB, 1200x800, ramsay1.0.0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10942879

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 10:23:37 2018 No.10942892 >>10942862 Sounds like utter nonsense.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 10:24:18 2018 No.10942894 >>10942871 fuck you you slouched bitch

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 10:25:23 2018 No.10942904 File: 18 KB, 346x346, 1521583367844.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10942892 well, that was a crude, one sentence paraphrasing of 30 pages of sourced material. Probably sounds less ridiculous if you read the entire chapter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 10:32:11 2018 No.10942942 pragmatic Christians are the fucking worse >scientific determinism and pop neurology what the fuck are you doing Peterson

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 10:34:47 2018 No.10942952 >>10942719 that means succumbing to old age

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 10:36:18 2018 No.10942957 >>10942719 >free speech advocate >wants to censor college professors he doesn't agree with hypocrite he is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 10:37:53 2018 No.10942962 >>10942797 So he's another "Youtube" intellectual What kind of omfortable life do you live to think that SJWs are worth paying any amount of attention to?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 10:38:37 2018 No.10942967 >>10942776 controlled opposition demagogue who spends a substantial amount of time assuring you that you were right all along and the rest of the world is out to get you.

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 10:51:58 2018 No.10943017

>>10942962
I pay hardly any attention to them. I'm more interested in his philosophy on ethics. But you have to admit, it is funny watching him shut them down.

Probably better to define him as an academic intellectual though, rather than a so-called "YouTube" intellectual. Yes, YouTube helped make him famous, but he's an established clinical and research psychologist.

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 10:56:05 2018 No.10943025

>>10943017
>Probably better to define him as an academic intellectual though, rather than a so-called "YouTube" intellectual

except his public discourse is entirely unrelated to his academic work. He is famous as a cultural commentator, not a clinical psychologist, otherwise he'd be talking about clinical psychology, not gender economics and hate speech legislation

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 10:57:27 2018 No.10943030 File: 14 KB, 316x282, 21728022_10155987310119218_1393406509858100315_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10942776 he's a retard who appeals to midwits with no background in philosophy

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:10:43 2018 No.10943082

>>10943025
You kind of have a point there. I guess when you said "Youtube" intellectual, it came off as defining someone with no credentials whatsoever.

But Peterson does have credentials, even if he doesn't have an advanced degree in gender studies or law. He's written an original sociological work on morality (maps of meaning) and studied Literature in college. I would even say his credentials as a psychologist gives him some clout since it's the study of human nature.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:12:45 2018 No.10943091 File: 108 KB, 400x381, 03b.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10943030 I have a degree in philosophy and find him fascinating

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:20:11 2018 No.10943126

>>10942962
His talks on reality and the order/chaos balance barely includes anything with SJWs. His entire work is on mythology, morality, meaning. The most interesting of Peterson's lectures avoid SJWs completely. "Alternatives to left and right wing ideology" is a good playlist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:24:14 2018 No.10943144 >>10943091 >I have a degree in philosophy Do you enjoy being homeless?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:25:10 2018 No.10943152 Most of his lectures are interesting but everything he does on tv is just him trolling the media by being contrarian to get views/donations.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:26:42 2018 No.10943156 >>10943091 no you don't

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:27:49 2018 No.10943167

>>10942797
>and is actually pretty smart
You think that he is smart because you are dumb. He is a very shallow hypocrite that is good at convincing people like you that he knows something. He actually doesn't. https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:29:27 2018 No.10943174 >>10943030 This.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:30:10 2018 No.10943176 >>10943156 I actually do, mainly continental philosophy >>10943144 I live with my mom

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:30:48 2018 No.10943178 >>10942727 own the fat. Who cares. Girls like dad bodies.

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:33:57 2018 No.10943192

I've noticed that on "reputable" discussion avenues like the autistically moderated reddits, hackernews and forums people criticise JBP with arguments along the line of: he is a good orator so he manages to draw in listeners...

Right, you see, they attack the fact that he can talk in an engaging manner, but they don't actually refute anything he says.

Imagine if a leftist politician also happened to be a good orator. Would anyone say "he can sure talk well!" as an argument against his views? Nope, they'd be really happy to have a leftist who can also employ good rhetoric.

I very rarely see critiques of JBP that don't involve pussy ass bullshit like "tone" and "oration". Like one of his biggest drums he beats is the whole idea that it's okay if men want to work in technology and women want to be nurses, and he backs it up with psychology, yet all people spout is "it's just propaganda dude he can just speak in a way that sounds smart".

Honestly eat shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:35:12 2018 No.10943197 >>10943091 Okay midwit

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:38:08 2018 No.10943207 >>10943192 https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve No, you eat shit.

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:39:07 2018 No.10943213

>>10943167
>>10943207
>https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve
This reads like someone in the 60s butthurt over Lacan's prominence in intellectual circles, dismissing him as an obscurant or whatever. Like, are you actively trying to understand the thinker you are interrogating or are you satisfied pointing out inconsistencies in the rhetoric he is using?

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:40:21 2018 No.10943220
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>>10943167
>A more important reason why Peterson is “misinterpreted” is that he is so consistently vague and vacillating that it’s impossible to tell what he is “actually saying.”

Many, many philosophers throughout history write in an obfuscating way. I guess Kant was a shallow hypocrite too eh? Sartre? Aristotle? Or any other philosopher eh? eh?

I think the author you linked is probably too dense to understand anything really so chalks up his frustration to MUH VAGUENESS.

t. kek if you're the author.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:40:37 2018 No.10943224 >>10943213 >has no arguments >resorts to insults You know the way out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:41:46 2018 No.10943227 >>10943220 There are lots of concrete examples that show how vague and meaningless the shit that he says/writes is. Try harder.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:42:24 2018 No.10943233 >>10943220 All those philosophers did have something concrete to say unlike Peterson

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:42:49 2018 No.10943235

Stand up straight with your shoulders back
Treat yourself like someone you are responsible for helping
Make friends with people who want the best for you
Compare yourself to who you were yesterday, not to who someone else is today
Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them
Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world
Pursue what is meaningful (not what is expedient)
Tell the truth – or, at least, don’t lie
Assume that the person you are listening to might know something you don’t
Be precise in your speech
Do not bother children when they are skateboarding
Pet a cat when you encounter one on the street

Why shouldn't i bother children when they are skateboarding?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:45:14 2018 No.10943253 >>10942719 CLEAN YOUR ROOM, BUCKO

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:45:51 2018 No.10943255 File: 11 KB, 480x360, hqdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10943235 because our lord and savior elon mu-jordan peterson says so you fucking flamming, flamboyant faggot?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:46:18 2018 No.10943256 File: 346 KB, 400x400, 1504604643891.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10943207 you think I'm gonna read something by a guy who looks like someone I'd bully in school?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:46:18 2018 No.10943257 >>10943233 >>10943227 >concrete go read your engineering textbooks, fucking redditors

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:46:26 2018 No.10943259 >>10943220 >implying there is anything in Peterson to understand other than "muh postmodernism" or "muh marxism"

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:47:01 2018 No.10943265 >>10942776 He parrots the kind of self help philosophy that disenfranchised people wish for.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:47:33 2018 No.10943269 File: 100 KB, 258x239, 1519450496666.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10943257 >>10943256 All these damage control...

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:47:34 2018 No.10943270 >>10943259 he also talks about lobsters you fucking nitwit

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:48:32 2018 No.10943279 >>10943167 He's an idiot pseud but nothing he says is difficult to understand.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:48:40 2018 No.10943281 File: 448 KB, 846x900, 1519064798324.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10943256 >>10943257 >Absolute state of Peterson fags

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:49:44 2018 No.10943290 >>10943279 Yes, I agree, but for people who have no knowledge in philosophy the shit that he says might sound smart and complicated.

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:49:47 2018 No.10943292

>>10943269
I actually disagree with about 50% of JBP says (his interpretations of scriptures, his understanding on Nietzsche and Kierkegaard, and most of his religious views) but that doesn't mean I'm going to align myself with some leftist manlets who wear cardigans.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:49:57 2018 No.10943293 File: 18 KB, 353x334, 462783423.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >you're being fallacious >it's damage control!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:49:59 2018 No.10943294 >>10943256 LMAO

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:50:18 2018 No.10943295 >>10942727 START WORKING OUT

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:51:35 2018 No.10943302 >>10943256 LOL

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:51:38 2018 No.10943303 File: 32 KB, 388x303, 1519921944070.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10943292 >even more damage control

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:52:24 2018 No.10943308 >>10943281 I don't even like Peterson, but promoting articles written by a 20 year old sophomore thinking "obscurantism" renders a thinker useless is just intellectually dishonest

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:55:40 2018 No.10943319

>>10943308
>Provides lots of evidence with direct quotes from his books to show that when it seems like Peterson is saying something he is actually saying nothing
>B-but he is 20 years old!!!
I hope you are trolling. If you are not, then the state of this board is even worse than i thought.

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:56:14 2018 No.10943323

>>10943308
>sophomore thinking "obscurantism" renders a thinker useless
That isn't what the article says. It says Peterson is consciously vague to avoid any attempts to pinpoint what he is saying. Obscure impiles there is something to be learnt.

Peterson is the No Man's Sky of youtube intellectuals

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:57:16 2018 No.10943329 File: 43 KB, 500x500, 36142089._UY500_SS500_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10943224 to see /pol/tards changing sides on Peterson, an interesting development

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:57:36 2018 No.10943335 >>10943256 >t. kek ten minutes later ty

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:58:37 2018 No.10943339 >>10943319 You're supposed to capitalise the letter 'I' in the word "I"

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 12:06:38 2018 No.10943379 >>10943091 Yeah but most philosophers, including your lecturers as I'm sure you've realised, are morons who are not in any sense of the word "philosophers" so whatever.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 12:08:36 2018 No.10943391 File: 38 KB, 390x470, e4c6a202efb6bb4b48e1bff276abbb43--funny-emoticons-ugly-faces.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10943379 >"autodidact" thinks he understands philosophy

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 12:15:32 2018 No.10943431 >>10943323 >Peterson ACTUALLY doesn’t mean anything at all with his writing unlike real thinkers, trust me Wow, then he’s the arch-postmodernist he loathes

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 12:17:45 2018 No.10943437 >>10943323 >Peterson is the No Man's Sky of youtube intellectuals That's a pretty fucking good insult, although baseless.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 12:17:57 2018 No.10943438 File: 224 KB, 808x805, 1500098722108.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10943391 >thinks criticising academic philosophers implies one is not an academic philosopher

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 12:22:59 2018 No.10943459 >>10943431 That is not what i meant, Peterson does attempt to convey a message, but said message is so vague that he can flip flop around the message's content as and when he wished

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 12:29:31 2018 No.10943487 >>10942719 Was Nietzsche an ubermensch? You don't need to be the one you are writing about

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