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Pennsylvania

>> No.10855032

wat books u teach

>> No.10855038

What do you think of neo-pragmatism and the re-appropriation of german idealism into mainstream analytic philosophy?

>> No.10855048
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>>10855032
We're currently in the middle of a sci-fi unit: Dune and Splinter of the Mind's Eye.

I let the kids choose from a list I compiled.

>> No.10855064

>>10855048
Post list

>> No.10855070

LARPers get out

>> No.10855075

>>10855048
>""""""teaching"""""" sci fi
jesus christ this board has really had it

>> No.10855078

>>10855064
I will once I get to a computer.

>>10855075
Yes, that's a thing we do.

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>>10855048

>> No.10855087

>>10855081
They needed a reprieve from two weeks of standardized test prep.

>> No.10855091

>>10855048
I hope this is a joke.

>> No.10855092

Got any hot students you would bang?

>> No.10855093

>>10855070
>>10855091

>> No.10855101

>>10855081
>>10855091
Is this because it's a 70's Star Jew novel?

>> No.10855132

Where in PA?

>> No.10855134

>>10855132
Western

>> No.10855138

>>10855091
What's wrong with Dune, doublenigger?

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>>10855091
11th graders don't want to read whatever obscure /lit/ fodder you'd suggest.

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>>10855169

>> No.10855220

>>10855028
Have you fallen for the YA fiction meme yet? I'm starting as a high school English teacher in the fall and my grad program is pretty bad about pushing it.

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>>10855220
>Have you fallen for the YA fiction meme yet?
Not as of yet, thank god. I encourage my students to read whatever they wish in their free time, but the classroom is no place for Ready Player One.

>> No.10855253

>>10855028
Have you fucked any of your students?

>> No.10855265

>>10855253
I'll let you know when I've had enough.

>> No.10855271

>>10855220
>my grad program is pretty bad about pushing it
Don't budge an inch.

>> No.10855356

>>10855091

I was thinking the same thing.
2 shit sci-fi novels

how about some Ayn Rand?
not!

>> No.10855362

>>10855087
The country needs a reprieve from 30+ years of standardized test prep.

>> No.10855366

>>10855028
What translation should I read of The Gulag Achipelago?

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>>10855356
Actual OP here. What predominately sci-fi novels would you recommend for 11th grade level? Reading comprehension, retention, and maintaining interest are issues that English educators routinely struggle with, despite grade level.

>> No.10855402

>>10855378
Hitchhiker's Guide

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>>10855402

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>>10855362
>The country needs a reprieve from 30+ years of standardized test prep.
You're preaching to the choir. Standardized testing leaches away what little literary interest I instill within my students.

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>>10855378

slip a little Vonnegut in, actually One Player One, for the simple reason he uses the word "flibbertigibbet" twice, have them watch "Forbidden Planet" and then read "The Tempest," or vice versa, Childhood's End," and maybe, "Strange in a Strange Land," "The Martian."

Personally, I found Dune to be unreadable. The Star Wars book might hook 'em, but any Heinlein would really get into their heads.

>> No.10855468

>>10855451
>The Martian
My negrosapien.

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>>10855451

Ready Player One, yeah I know
The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, I forgot

>> No.10855527

>>10855402
>>10855474
Stop recommending this toilet paper to our country's youth.

>> No.10855616

>>10855527
Hitchhikers Guide is apex sci-fi, you contrarian fuck.

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>>10855048
In 11th grade I was taking Shakespeare.
Hell I read the entire Odyssey freshman year. Took an entire quarter. We went book by book.
Of course that was a Jesuit school.
Public schools in America...

>> No.10855634

>>10855451
Heinlein is unlikely to be approved. Lots of sex and degenerate behavior. The only one I can think of without either is Starship Troopers and since people consider it a fascist manifesto, it's got no chance.

>> No.10855636

>>10855631
That >>10855048 isn't real. It can't be.

>> No.10855644

>>10855631
American private schools are better, though. We read Macbeth in eighth grade.

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>>10855048
>letting students choose.

>> No.10855651

>>10855028
what's your favorite aaliyah song

>> No.10855653

>>10855378
My 11th and 12th graders loved The Martian.

>> No.10855661

>>10855028
How old are you? Why don't you teach at a college level?


I'm a 27 year old who is transfering from a community college to a 4 year in the fall. I want to be a teacher, but unsure if I wanna teach highschool but also unsure if I wanna go to grad school

>> No.10855665

>>10855651
Rock the Boat

>>10855653
My 12th grade class has as of yesterday concluded our reading of The Martain. Excellent choice.

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>not forcing homer on your students

>> No.10855673

>>10855661
>Why don't you teach at a college level?
25: I'm currently accumulating precious rubles for grad school.

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>>10855661
>unsure if I wanna teach highschool but also unsure if I wanna go to grad school
Teach high school whilst completing graduate courses; many schools provide financial aid with the intention of furthering the academic competency of their educators.

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>>10855673
>Of course that was a Jesuit school.

believe it or not, it takes less accreditation to teach college in America than to teach high school

I have been teaching for 20+ years plus at a CC, and I taught over 17 years at a 2 universities but cannot teach high school except as a sub

you need a teaching certificate in the state I live in to teach high school

regarding the Jesuits, if you were taught by them, good luck with your mission, and you will need Jesus, my young padawan, cuz nobody else is going to save your sorry ass

>> No.10857624

I am currently in my third year of college and plan to teach high school english after.

How often do you just straight lecture to them vs like, idk Socratic method or whole class discussion

How strict are you about cell phone use

How many weeks/months are bullshit, like standardized testing prep or the school making them do 5 page "scientific" research papers?

In what way do you teach them stuff like essay writing? I read memerson's essay writing guide that he gives his psych students and it's actually really good, I'd probably show my students a dumbed down version of it.

Also do you ever do anything weird like a week of very introductory philosophy or analyzing song lyrics or something?

How many novels/year?

Don't have to answer all of these I'm just very curious and probably have a lot of misconceptions about what the job is like.

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>>10855644
My private school read Beowulf in 6th grade

>> No.10857655

>>10855378
Student here. Fahrenheit 451 is short and one of the most memorable books we read in school. It's a perfect balance for high school students I believe

>> No.10857702

>>10857655
that shit shouldn't be read past the 7th grade. Any later than the 7th grade and you are wasting acquired literary intelligence on sophomoric writings. This is assuming that the school isn't day care for retards, which it sounds like yours is.

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>>10855048

>> No.10857726

>>10857702
>assuming the school isn't day care for retards

you underestimate public school. Take your anger elsewhere instead of foaming at the mouth you degenerate pseud

>> No.10857758

>>10857726
I am not angry, I was just trying to help the person not waste their time.

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>>10857758
None of my 10th graders have even heard of Fahrenheit 451: I feel obligated to expose them to it at least once in their lives.

>> No.10857798

>>10855028
how much do you want to kill yourself having to deal with niggers

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>>10857798
>tfw you teach at a 98% white, private Connecticut school.

>> No.10857815

>>10857758
>>10857792
exactly my point. It's short, easy, and relatable. The two most important aspects of teaching high school English literature is developing critical analysis and actually getting them to care about reading. Not all of them will care but throwing Grapes of Wrath at them will just make them resentful.

>> No.10857851

>>10855038
>re-appropriation of german idealism into mainstream analytic philosophy?
examples?

>> No.10858079

>>10855378
THis: >>10855451
Heinlein and Vonnegut

Stranger in a Strange Land
The Moon is a Harsh

Slaughterhouse 5 and selected short stories

>> No.10858159

whenever u teach do u get really cognitive of the fact that while ur talking everyone who is listening is jsut ignoring u and daydreaming and boobs and penises

>> No.10858231

>>10857806
How's the pay at a private? I heard they pay less. I'll be starting in the fall at a public high school in VA for 42k, and 5k once I finish my masters.

>> No.10858259

>>10858231
I make 61k after three years.

>> No.10858525

>>10857806
Are you also white?

I want to teach at a private school, seems like a better environment for teachers.

>> No.10858534

>>10858525
>Are you also white?
Why yes.

>> No.10858561

>>10858231
private tends to pay more as far as I know

>> No.10858586

>>10855378
>Forever War by Joe Haldman
Excellent sci-fi, the entire thing is pretty much an allegory for his time in Vietnam.

>> No.10858637

Apologies for this not being totally relevant, but for any teachers on /lit/ are there any crazy stories around your school? I feel like when I was a kid every school had something bonkers go down at some point or another.

>> No.10858656

>>10858637
With the exception of the more "precocious" kids instigating fistfights and the odd bomb threat, my semester has been decidedly uneventful.

>> No.10858662

>>10855028
What are the state required books or writers?

>> No.10858678

>>10857645
My private school read the Critique of Pure Reason in fourth grade.

>> No.10858703

>>10855378
Space Odyssey: 2001 Arthur Clarke
The Martian Chronicles Ray Bradbury
The Time Machine HG Wells
Those were my highshool sci-fi novels and they were ok. Accompany them with your postmodernism or Marxism lessons.

>> No.10858705

>>10855048
see>>10855091
Also have you ever banged any of your students?

>> No.10858713

>>10855378
Solaris

>> No.10858740

>>10858678
My Private School(Chicago) read The Count of Monte Cristo in French in Grade One, and not only retained what we were reading but applied psychoanalytical and deconstructionalist criticism to the text

>> No.10858774

>>10858705
No comment.

>> No.10858812

>>10858740
Did it make you a better shitposter

>> No.10859164

>>10857645
>>10858740
>>10858678
My kindergarten class read Culture of Critique.

>> No.10859897

>>10855028
how do I get a girlfriend

>> No.10859900

>>10855378
Make them read Gene Wolfe, see what those roasties have to say about it

>> No.10859941

>>10855402
this
loved it when i read it in 10th grade, had no one to talk about it with

>> No.10860061

>>10859164
Read Finnegan's Wake back in preschool

>> No.10860220

>>10858713
This, if you are gonna read sci-fi read Lem or Dick

>> No.10860710

>>10858561
My teacher friends tell me private pays less but generally the kids are way better to deal with so it’s often a worthwhile trade off

>> No.10861034

>>10858678

My private kindergarten made us translate Proust's Remembrance of Things Past from French to English and then to Latin.

My sandbox skills and coloring studies grades suffered because of this.

>> No.10861442

>>10859164
what kind of shit school did you go to? we read Foundation for Exploration on kindergarten

>> No.10861511

>>10855028
how does it feel being a subhuman entitled parasite?

you realize that teaching has almost zero effect on a student’s intelligence and that they’d get as much done if they had online self directed study as if they went to your gay fucking reeducation program every day you fucking coward?

>> No.10861544

>>10861511
>t. angsty teen
I'm sorry, many low-functioning children struggle in school.

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>>10861511

>> No.10861590

>>10861511
Have fun in trade school.

>> No.10861653

>>10861511
Hey man my pipes aren't quite working, mind coming in and fixing them?

>> No.10861658

>>10861544
>>10861584
>>10861590
>>10861653
t. "educated men" who make half as much as a plumber or an electrician

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>>10861658
I don't have to rationalize splashing around in other men's sewage for the rest of my life.

>> No.10861684

>>10861658
>>10861679

>> No.10861708

>>10855692
Why nokama

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>>10861708
Why not Nokama?

>> No.10861721

>>10861679
Yet you rationalize your own choice of mediocre profession by conflating plumbers with sewer workers. At least plumbers don't think they're hot shit for reading a couple of books and forming opinions on them

>> No.10861731

>>10861721
>At least plumbers don't think
Lol

>> No.10861756

>>10861721
>conflating plumbers with sewer workers
And you conflate salary with success; regardless, plumbers make less on average than English teachers in the US.

>> No.10861760

>>10861731
I'd talk with a plumber who never reads over a mediocre high school lit teacher any day. I might learn something new, instead of hearing the same jejune, pre-fabricated university opinions once again regurgitated into my ear canal

>> No.10861803

>>10857645
>>10858678
>>10858740
>>10859164
lmao

>> No.10861833

>>10857851
Brandom

>> No.10861836

>>10858703
Time Machine is perfect for this age. Maybr even an abridged version if students are brainlets.

>> No.10861843

>>10860061
Pfff we read it in the maternity room, pleb.

>> No.10861848

>>10860220
They will love Dick. Especially the short stories. Novel could be a bit too dense.

>> No.10861918

>>10855048
(You)
Nice bait, I guess. Although you were shooting for low-hanging fruit to anger.

>> No.10862908

>>10855378
Harlan Ellison, Phillip K. Dick, Jules Verne, Robert Heinlen, Isaac Asimov, Arthur C. Clark

>> No.10862923

>>10855169
i-it's possible (Possible) that sci-fi and fantasy will earn them a love for reading in middle school and will prepare them for /lit/ books as they mature in the future that's what happened to me

>> No.10863999

>>10855028
Is it frustrating that your students hate Scarlet Letter?

>> No.10864394

>>10861843
>His father didn't expose him to the entire western canon when he was a sperm cell
pathetic

>> No.10864588

>>10864394

>He wasn't first conceived as an extra in a Socratic dialogue.
fucking midwits

>> No.10864602

is 'to the end of X' in the context of saying 'for the purpose of X' a real phrase?