/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.10847181]

What makes people from the first world who clearly will never endure the hardship of peasant live centuries ago or even the lives of being in a violent thirld world shithole, kill themselves?

Is there any true that life without struggle is meaningless?

wouldn't people in heaven desire to kill themselves because you will be like in a church sunday praying to god for the rest of eternity?

[Anonymous No.10847199]

>>10847181
>he fell for the peasant life was bad meme

[Anonymous No.10847229]

>>10847181
>physical suffering is the only kind of suffering there is
>physical suffering is the worst kind of suffering there is

[Anonymous No.10847231]

>>10847181
>Progress is a good thing

[Anonymous No.10847232]

>>10847181
uh bro that tarp ain't gonna do shit.

[Anonymous No.10847233]

>>10847199
holy shit lol

[Anonymous No.10847234]

>>10847229
This, seriously
I unironically fantacize about setting myself on fire just to show people how much I endure just existing

[Anonymous No.10847235]

>>10847229
>>10847231
>things are better now because we now have better technology
ok retards.

[Anonymous No.10847237]

>>10847199
never forget what the ideologues of Progress took from you

[Anonymous No.10847243]

>>10847237
Disease and famine?

[Anonymous No.10847255]

>>10847243
>implying dying at 30 is not sincerely preferrable

[Anonymous No.10847256]

>>10847243
>disease and famine

[Anonymous No.10847265]

>>10847256
Why did you post a picture of yourself?

[Anonymous No.10847273]

>>10847265
>.

[Anonymous No.10847285]

>>10847181
>wouldn't people in heaven desire to kill themselves because you will be like in a church sunday praying to god for the rest of eternity?
Isn't It the opposite? don't the Angels do the praying in Heaven?

[Anonymous No.10847291]

>>10847285
what else is there to do in heaven beyond praying to god?

[Anonymous No.10847294]

Mental anguish exists as well
No amount of therapy or medicine will make you not want to die. At least he has found rest in this world

[Anonymous No.10847299]

>>10847229
>it's real in my mind!

Pathetic

[Anonymous No.10847306]

>>10847181
except the guy in your pic didn't actually want to kill himself

[Anonymous No.10847312]

>>10847306
yeah, he blew up his brain for the epic le reddit upboat memes.

[Anonymous No.10847315]

man is not meant to live in a cage

our deepest desires are trained out of us, repressed, turned to shame

we long for action, we grow bitter, we turn this bitterness upon ourselves as society has taught us to

suicide in the right hands is greatest conclusion to a life fully lived, among the masses who have yet to taste it, a means of culling, of control

[Anonymous No.10847320]

>>10847299
That's about as real as things are gonna get, not starving and whatnot is nice but happiness isn't such a simple matter

[Anonymous No.10847326]

>>10847320
then why africans don't commit mass suicides when their lives are pretty shitty in extreme poverty?

[Anonymous No.10847339]

>>10847199
based

[Anonymous No.10847350]

>>10847299

You should not be discussing something you have no capacity of conceiving even as potentiality. The funny part is, you probably can, but refuse to because that would mean facing your own mind. Either that or you're a sociopath, which makes you just as easy to completely dismiss from having any say in this discussion.

>>10847181

It is actually a belief for many that "struggle" as a primal concept is the starting point for our thought. I'd say that, it is definitely true that you will long for this struggle if you have grown into this mindset at least. Naturally, because our current project of modernity seems to eliminate this struggle in favor of weak representations of it, people are going to be disappointed and disenfranchised from their own lives. For all the other people who do not seek to extract difference (or at the very least do not care about the presence of it) from "Oneness" or whatever you want to call it, it probably doesn't matter either way, and this goes for most kind of stoics, hippies, "chill" people and the like. These people are hardly going to suicide even if they don't give a fuck about life in itself.

Of course, because you have specified first world, I am purposely excluding things such as someone jumping from a factory roof in China because of their shitty life conditions. There was actually a topic weeks ago in /lit/ asking something along the lines of "Has anyone ever actually committed suicide from their philosophy/thought process?" and many of the answers there would fit nicely here. 'Physical struggle' I'd say also still remains in the first world, but I actually think it has always caused less suicide than sentimental/psychological matters.

[Anonymous No.10847351]

peasants didn't commute an hour a day and work til 6, 6 days a week

[Anonymous No.10847356]

>>10847326
because they have low IQ, they can't understand depression

[Anonymous No.10847358]

Man cannot live without meaning

[Anonymous No.10847364]

>>10847358
I'm still alive, checkmate

[Anonymous No.10847366]

This is what anime does to you kids.

[Anonymous No.10847372]

These were the good times. Progress is regression.

[Anonymous No.10847377]

>>10847356
>muh IQ is the answer to aything

[Anonymous No.10847385]

>>10847315
>>10847199
Good posts.

[Anonymous No.10847391]

>>10847364
But are you living?

[Anonymous No.10847479]

>>10847372
>>10847237
>>10847231
Samefag

[Anonymous No.10847482]

>>10847312
wasn't it an accident?

[Anonymous No.10847492]

>>10847482
yeah, people blow their heads with a "bye r9k" livestream as accident.

is very common.

[Anonymous No.10847497]

>>10847492
ye, I mean, hasn't it happened to each of us?

:^)

[Anonymous No.10847499]

Read the part about Alyoshas diary in the Brothers Karamazov.

>>10847199
this too

[Anonymous No.10847500]

>>10847479
honestly lit really hates progress its nothing new

[Anonymous No.10847502]

What are the suicide rates in third world shitholes?

[Anonymous No.10847512]

>>10847199
>>10847233
>>10847237
>>10847339
You know glorifying serf life to some utopic level is just as deluded as seeing peasant (which is a big step up from serf) life as slavery in houses made of manure.

It leaves out:
-Being able to be literally bought and sold with land and in Russia to factory owners
-Not being allowed to leave your village without explicit permission from your noble.
-Not being allowed to marry who you want without explicit permission from your noble.
-Not being able to have legal recourse if your noble commits physical abuse.
-Being prematurely aged by physical labour and lack of medicine.
-Huge rates of infant mortality and death in childbirth.
-Having almost all of your labour and work go to your noble.
-Almost zero social mobility.
ect

[Anonymous No.10847524]

Fuedalism is an early form of communism. Come at me.

[Anonymous No.10847552]

>>10847512

[Anonymous No.10847559]

>>10847524
Everything is an early form of communism if you're a Marxist

[Anonymous No.10847618]

Just because you don't like modern life doesn't mean you want to be a Russian serf.

[Anonymous No.10847656]

>>10847512
>Being prematurely aged by lack of medicine
>Having almost all of your labour and work go to your noble.
>Almost zero social mobility.
So... like Burgerland?

[Anonymous No.10847725]

>>10847656
Not like burgerland. To get an rough idea just reflect on the fact that the average life expectancy of a person in Russia in 1900 was 30 years. Haiti today is 63.

[Anonymous No.10847782]

>>10847181
>its another thinly veiled peterson thread

[Anonymous No.10847790]

>>10847782
What no it isn't, stop being so obsessed about him

[Anonymous No.10847793]

>>10847356
>tfw too intelligent to be happy

I hope you're not older than 16 or else this is just embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.10847825]

>>10847199

[Anonymous No.10847835]

>>10847181
What the fuck does this have to do with literature? /lit/ is not your fucking general discussion board, its a LITERATURE discussion board. Who the fuck keeps making these stupid, off-topic threads? Get the fuck out of my board and go to /soc/ or /adv/ or where ever this shit is supposed to go.

MODS

[Anonymous No.10847878]

>>10847199
>he fell for the past was better maymay

[Anonymous No.10847927]

>>10847782
rent free

[Anonymous No.10847941]

>>10847878
It was though

[Anonymous No.10847942]

>>10847181
Link?

[Anonymous No.10847947]

>>10847181
The fact that life isn't as it's portrayed in movies is too much for some people to handle.

[Anonymous No.10847974]

>>10847947
Or anime for that matter

[Anonymous No.10847989]

>>10847199
b-b-but they didn't get to die at 85 in a nursing home and give their loser kids the family prius

[Anonymous No.10847995]

>>10847512
Kulak > Peasant > Wageslavery

[Anonymous No.10848003]

>>10847181
I don't know about anyone else, but chronic sleep deprivation will certainly do it. Especially if you aren't an insomniac, desperately want to sleep, and cannot because of something completely unrelated to sleep hygiene.

[Anonymous No.10848004]

>>10847947
>>10847974
When you can escape to an ideal world, it puts reality in a different context.

[Anonymous No.10848012]

>>10847199

fuck looool

[Anonymous No.10848047]

>>10847199

Solzhenitsyn and Tolstoy also agree.

[Anonymous No.10848049]

>>10847181
fuck off with that pic you scum

[Anonymous No.10848065]

>>10847315

This, unironically. People have been taught that there is no intrinsic value to anything, so they are absolutely defenceless against the enshrined cultural norms of immediate gratification and mental distraction. Because of this, most people are incredibly uncomfortable in solitude and anything that forces them to look at how empty they are makes them recoil in revulsion. It's really, really sad.

[Anonymous No.10848066]

>>10847782
>5 years of exile in Serbia
>Serbia
Who the fuck made this shit meme?

[Anonymous No.10848069]

>>10847941
It wasn't

[Anonymous No.10848107]

Poorer people (within limits) are ironically happier than you'd think, and perhaps even happier than the more affluent. They're closer to the reality of life, they have more to occupy their minds. They don't get as depressed because they literally don't have time to. People have the wrong idea that rest and leisure is satisfying and work is boring. Really, the right kind of work is better than any leisure. What time do you have to be depressed when you're doing something practical, real, and which sets your mind, emotions, and body to a different task? If you're working on a farm all day and have all these little goals, no matter insignificant, it'll keep your mind off of a feeling of the boredom and meaninglessness of life.

We suffer from a lack of work.

[Anonymous No.10848158]

>>10847199
reminder: tradfags and bugmen are the same species of lower life. both these wretched states we find 21st century many falling into are predicated upon a false image of history and one’s sense of worth. the bug thinks the future is his, has been already conquered, is waiting for him to take an Uber to its gates and that he will be able to chip swipe his way into immortality, endless anime robot sex and certain knowledge of the validity of fedora metaphysics, the divinity of matter confirmed in the terraformed wastes of distant worlds. the tradfags whom are a kind of inverse bug man (but it should be noted that higher men have nothing in common with the bug and thus they did not degenerate into the bug) are the racial memory of the detritus of the old world. these plodding peasant beasts who were treated with absolute disdain, distance and even malice by the rulers have long hoped to crawl back to their old dog houses, to take up the ho and the rake, the shovel and the lomb as this is the only reason they have been brought into being. this is a kind of preambling senility before total mortification of the spirit. they act out past lives, cycle through a whole age of behaviors their equally reprehensible ancestors had made their religion. the christfaggot insect of the fields, the bread people, the beer people, the vine pickers and field hands; manure stained pairs of legs who made the world bearable for delicate types fit for the actual faculties of Living Mind.

Now the tradfag is at his end, he can no longer make his way in the world as a soldier, factory worker, clerk, trucker, welder, plumber or any other skilless-skilled profession, he now faces his end in the world of quantifiable productivity. You see mechanization, the great cannibal maw of the human constructed industrial parks seemed a kind of exaltation of his type. The laborers, children of the fields brought into a new realm of toil, these were a kind of priviledged slave animal that thought itself indispensable and as worthy of dignity as their forebears in the fecal expanses of the feudal world. Now this must all come to a close, the machines are our slaves, and the men who remain must be drawn from the clever artisans, merchants and ministers of the feudal period; these men who were always halfway ennobled spirits, they are the bug, familiar and in their element among the bone crushing gears of techno-capital.

So, the tradfag and the bug, two servile types bred expressly to better provide for the fragile, incomprehensibly greedy constitutions of the beautiful ones, both of these need to be seen as essentially one and the same. The advantage that the bug, accurately deduced by many physionomists as simply the proto-middle class of older eras, has taken over our good peasant animal is not one to boast of. We do not do right by ourselves to spit in the face of these hallucinating condemned things as the bug will be broken and discarded just as they were in due time.

[Anonymous No.10848161]

>>10847199
>serfs didn't have internet or video games
Well, so much for the glory of serf life.

[Anonymous No.10848212]

>>10848158
You make a good case and yet an alternative is implied in the vacuum. Time will be needed

[Anonymous No.10848216]

>>10848212
time is accelerating

[Anonymous No.10848242]

>>10847229
All human suffering is physical

[Anonymous No.10848263]

>>10847237
>>>
> Anonymous 03/15/18(Thu)17:56:24 No.10847237▶>>10847243 >>10847479 >>10847512
>>>10847199
>never forget what the ideologues of Progress took from you

Never forget what lengths reactionaries will go to in order to avoid blaming Capitalism, roger that.

[Anonymous No.10848270]

>>10847825
classic classic classic

[Anonymous No.10848272]

>>10848263
Wtf I love central planning now

[Anonymous No.10848298]

>>10848242

These kind of claims are always empty. Of course everything is physical, with emergence creating the illusion of ego and so on and so on. So what to the person who is perceiving their suffering as mental? You're not gonna make them realize something, "click" and then they are no longer willing to commit suicide. It makes no sense even from the meme utilitarian point of view, to insist on not assuming the illusion of dualism when dealing with those who suffer from this perception. We have to do it until the meds are better (for now, they are always temporary - it is always possible to fall back into "mental" suffering, rewiring would be a true solution).

[Anonymous No.10848307]

>>10847825
>>10848270

[Anonymous No.10848359]

>>10848263
>feudalism is akin to capitalism
>Communism isnt feudalism behind a philosophical wall of nonsense, and just a bigger and threatening or alternatively weaker and unprocting government, that is basically just a mob of people unable to defend themselves, or you.

[Anonymous No.10848382]

>>10847232
it held up okay
got some on the ceiling tho

[Anonymous No.10848386]

>>10848158
You have autism, yes nu male bug men are idiots who think they can live in a life of pleasure and softness thanks to the internet, but can't function in reality, but normal factory and agricultural jobs aren't disappearing at all, they will just change and shift with the times.

Sorry you're not getting your robot ran communist or anarchist capitalist utopia any time soon you retarded bug man.

[Anonymous No.10848396]

>>10848386
You just proved his point, lmao

[Anonymous No.10848399]

>>10847181
>le impose the archetype of the human monarch onto God even though man has a flawed, corrupted nature and God has a perfect nature meme xd

lmao Christians just got nae nae'd epic style

[Anonymous No.10848404]

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