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Is this the greatest novel of the 20th century

Why or why not

>> No.10786087

>>10786032
the road > bm > suttree > ncfom > else

t. father

>> No.10786095

>>10786087
I liked the road too but not sure if it's on the same level as bm

>> No.10786098

>>10786087
The Road was probably his worse novel.

>> No.10786106

>>10786087
bm > child of god > Suttree > border trilogy > road

>> No.10786113

>>10786106
Child of God is great, the road I thought was good and he did a really good job of building suspense and just making everything seem hopeless but I didn't think it was his worst. Didn't like the crossing but did the other 2 in the trilogy

>> No.10786120

>He held a bottle loosely in one hand. You better get out of my way, he said.
>The kid wasnt going to do that and he saw no use in discussing it. He kicked the man in the jaw. The man went down and got up again. He said: I’m goin to kill you.
>He swung with the bottle and the kid ducked and he swung again and the kid stepped back.

McCarthy's prose is possibly the worst of /lit/'s beloved authors, absolute drivel

>> No.10786131

>>10786120
Dude rambles on for sure

>> No.10786136

>>10786032
Wad the Judge supposed to be God? Read this fucker twice and I can't wrap my head around it

>> No.10786139

>>10786120
Wait, THIS is the McCarthy that Americans have been pushing for years? THIS is the award winning McCarthy that /lit/ genuinely thinks is one of the greatest modern writers? This reads like something a first year would come up with

>> No.10786141

>>10786136
The judge isn't supposed to be shit, he's just the judge

>> No.10786144

>>10786136
Not God, but maybe god

>> No.10786145

No, that's DFW.
>"To the library, and step on it!"

>> No.10786149

>>10786145
reply to >>10786120

>> No.10786152

>>10786139
Yes McCarthy drive me nuts.

You'll read the best paragraph you think you've ever read and the worst all on the same page

>> No.10786156

>>10786141
This

>> No.10786168

>>10786136
I always just took the judge as that part of you that you will never live down the parts of you that you wish didn't exist but that you know you will never get rid of

>> No.10786173

>>10786139
>muh americans

>> No.10786177

>>10786145
that line is a teenager trying to sound smart
i can't believe you plebs literally have not even read the first five pages of that book

>> No.10786179

>>10786087
Suttree>Border Trilogy>Blood Meridian>The Road>Outer Dark>Child of God>No Country>Orchard Keeper

>> No.10786180

>>10786173
At this point Americanism has honestly transcended the memes, and you know it. It's as if they're so desperate to be culturally relevant, every halfway decent author they produce has to be repackaged and marketed as the "next great," the "instant classic" that's both "important" and "timely." I'll give you Melville, I may even give you Faulkner, but don't try to tell me that fucking McCarthy is an all-timer.

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>> No.10786206

>>10786139
well to be fair, there aint that many good modern writers

>> No.10786210

>>10786180
McCarthy maybe not, I don't know I wouldn't put him in the same class as Faulkner but I'd put blood meridian against any other book written in the 20th century and I think it holds it own

>> No.10786214

>>10786179
No way in hell Child of God is better than No Country. I've read both of those fucking books.

>> No.10786215

>>10786180
>hemingway is bad meme
>fitzgerald is bad meme
>steinbeck is bad meme
>o'connor is bad meme
>mccullers is bad meme
>mccarthy is bad meme
>pynchon is bad meme
>wallace is bad meme
honestly if you are trying this hard you should just go demap yourself

>> No.10786216

>>10786177
Yeah, just showing I can cherrypick lines too.

>> No.10786218

>>10786215
This is exactly what I mean. I never said any of those are bad, I'm saying they're not all-time greats. That doesn't automatically drop them to the shit category

>> No.10786220

>>10786216
but i like both anon

>> No.10786224

>>10786218
all of those writers are better than faulkner pleb

>> No.10786225

>>10786224
Not ever close

>> No.10786229

>>10786214
lmao No Country was like a gloried gunrunner novel. Child of God was when McCarthy still had a good literary touch.

>> No.10786233

>>10786215
Steinbeck is a national treasure

>> No.10786235

>>10786224
Not fitzgerald dude

>> No.10786237

>>10786214
>old men
>even close to child
That's a felony, sir.

>> No.10786241

>>10786235
Read Tender is the Night, friend

>> No.10786246

>>10786139
>>10786120

McCarthy's fine. There's nothing wrong about that snippet. He always mixes it up between descriptive and blunt

>> No.10786249

>>10786229
It was a boring book. A few amusing moments here and there like the daughters named after diseases or the "niggerized cars" kek but overall pretty meh. No Country on the other hand... I mean, fucking hell, what a ride. Even their respective film adaptations are so far from each other in terms of quality.

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>>10786241
this

>> No.10786252

>>10786246
The guy discribes the way the light reflects off of a rock for like 2 pages in that book. And this jackass is like, I don't like the way he discribed this fight scene.

>> No.10786253

>>10786233
*was. he ded.

>> No.10786259

>>10786249
Then you must've missed something cause Lester was a hell of an ugly and sad character.
Also comparing film adaptations is dumb cause one was made by James Franco and the other one by the Coen brothers.

>> No.10786262

>>10786249
Should I read No Country For Old Men? The film is one of my favorites. Will it make me think less of it?

>> No.10786266

>>10786253
no he jus sleep

>> No.10786268

>>10786262
It's literally exactly the same verbatim save a small part about how dude meets the girl at the motel

>> No.10786271

>>10786262
Don't read any of his books that have been turned into a movie

>> No.10786279

>>10786271
I thot all the pretty horses was pretty good

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>>10786271

>> No.10786281

>>10786271
why?

>> No.10786285

>>10786281
guilt by association said the man
the boy pondered the mans word could possibly mean
guilt by association the man repeated

>> No.10786287

>>10786262
Yeah, it won't hurt reading it. I like Bell's monologues. Reading them out loud. I was learning English and this one was one of the first novels I read, so I'm a little biased but it's a good book.

>> No.10786309

>>10786120
... so this... is the power of a pullitzer... wow

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>>10786215
Where's my boy at in this list?

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10786388

>>10786215
Based qt McCullers appreciator

>> No.10786407

>>10786139
>Tilting back in his chair he framed questions for the quaking ovoid of lamplight on the ceiling to pose to him: Supposing there be any soul to listen and you died tonight? They’d listen to my death. No final word? Last words are only words. You can tell me, paradigm of your own sinister genesis construed by a flame in a glass bell. I’d say I was not unhappy. You have nothing. It may be the last shall be the first. Do you believe that? No.

>What do you believe? I believe the last and the first suffer equally. Pari passu. Equally? It is not alone in the dark of death that all souls are one soul. Of what would you repent? Nothing. Nothing?

>One thing. I spoke with bitterness about my life and I said that I would take my own part against the slander of oblivion and against the monstrous facelessness of it and that I would stand a stone in the very void where all would read my name. Of that vanity I recant all.

Yes, that McCarthy.

>> No.10786414

>>10786407
Does he know about punctuation?

>> No.10786418

>>10786388
she looks like a younger qtier merkel

>> No.10786420

>>10786414
No need to blot up the page with weird little marks.

>> No.10786433

>>10786179
spot on

>> No.10786439

>>10786414
>and as the boy scanned the curve of the earth, the azure web of cold sky, the ruins of slategrey plateaus bolstering the lugubrious cosmic wounds, he still never stopped on his scribbling never not once. The deacon asked him what is was he was scribbling about
>what's that there
>what
>that there in your lap what's that there you're writin
>nothin
>he spat
>sure looks like somethin
>what's it to ye. I've always been'a writin since id come out the womb even before id been thought up of ive been writin with never no stopping to it just'a kept on goin no dots or dashes or nothin never gonna stop neither
>why
>no need to
>a man never needs a reason to write or not write ye can jus a well live out not writin a thing but fer me writins a thing and i never stop
>its something that go on indefinitely
>forever
>and so the boy wrote, and he says that he will never stop writing. He's writing, writing. He writes in darkness or by moonlight. On the flats or in the valleys. He says that he will never punctuate.

>> No.10786482

>>10786215
> wallace
> all time great

Are you retarded?

>> No.10786487

>>10786482
kys

>> No.10786495

>>10786180
>insecure yuropoor projections lack of cultural relevance

don't worry anon, when your country is speaking Arabic and praying toward Mecca I'm sure you'll be culturally relevant again.

>> No.10786612

>>10786439
are you the same guy that McCarthyposted that story about the kid taking a shit while the judge blots out the sun? shit was cash yo

>> No.10786727

>>10786120
yeah it's even worse that he was trying to ape the kjv and melville.

>> No.10786907

>>10786439
good post

>> No.10786991

>>10786218
shit bait

>> No.10787233

>>10786032
Idk if it is and I think that's a non-question. However, I agree with the whoever wrote the introduction to my copy who said that it feels like Mccarthy wrote Blood Meridian in a whole other register. A register closer to Homer than to his American contemporaries.

>>10786120
Please consider suicide.

>>10786136
I don't have a clue and I honestly distrust anyone who says 'he got' what the judge meant. The only thing i can say or sure is that he was one of the most memorable antagonists i've ever come across.

>>10786205
I kekked.

>>10786439
best post.

>> No.10787247

>>10787233
fuck off redddit nobody cares what you have to say

>> No.10787330

>>10786136
actually if you remember the gunpowder scene, that's basically directly taken from Paradise lost, where Satan makes gunpowder. But I think he ain't supposed to be anything but the judge, as mentioned by >10786141

>> No.10787422

>>10787247
>fuck off, nobody wants to discuss literature here

>>10787330
If you're going to parrot like that, at least mention the source.
There's a lot of theory on the judge being Satan, but no-one of it quite fits. It's in interesting look, but I think the other anon and you are kinda right when you say that he's 'just the judge'