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10755086 No.10755086 [Reply] [Original]

Is New Sincerity just the most insidious and subtle form of irony? Was Davey boy wrong about everything?

>> No.10755110

>>10755086
The only truly sincere American author has been Salinger, whom was obviously David principal influence, although he was too insincere to ever admit it. IJ is a secularized, postmodernist take on the Glass family.

>> No.10755131

>>10755110
I think it should be "who"*. I'm not sure. Sorry. I'm not Americanian.

>> No.10755135

>>10755086
No. It's just hard to go against irony without using it yourself. We can't just pretend that irony doesn't exist. It has to be addressed somehow. Imagine it as a debate with Trump. How does one tackle that?

>> No.10755136

>>10755135
you say true things that you actually believe. Jesus christ m8

>> No.10755147

>>10755136
Yeah. That worked out fine, didn't it?

>> No.10755153

>>10755147
worked out fine when for what? That's how you act without irony, ie. with sincerity. You do and say what you honestly think is right

>> No.10755157

>>10755131
Yes, it should be "who," your correction is proper.

>> No.10755171

>>10755153
But if it's a post-ironic world, you have to address irony somehow. You can't just say that it's just nonsense and move on. That's why I give Trump as an example. You can't be like him because he'll be better at it and you can't ignore him because he's still there.

>> No.10755304

>>10755086
Irony is inherent in human behavior, and people were aware of this before the postwar era. It's another form of trying to recapture an innocent past that never existed, a juvenile dilemma of realizing the world is different than you thought, and the shame from realizing that everyone else already knew this but didn't have the heart to tell you.

>> No.10755309

>>10755171
>You can't just say that it's just nonsense and move on
can't you? what's the point in thinking about it

>> No.10755317

DFW is like the Simpsons of lit.

>> No.10755319

>>10755135
That's a funny thought experiment. Bet 99% of the people on this board think they could make Trump look silly in a debate but when those cameras are rolling and he keeps turning the dumbest shit around on you and you have to appeal to an audience with of IQ 95 I would honestly get creamed

>> No.10755321

>>10755086

Did Dave lift? I mean damn what's with them forearms.

>> No.10755327

>>10755321
Is this ironic or is your sincerity showing?

>> No.10755331

>>10755321
nah its just that manlet thing where they look swole cuz the mass is all compressed on a dinky frame

>> No.10755340

>>10755331
wait lol is that why he's always crouching in photos hoping no one notices how short he is

>> No.10755359

>>10755331
He did actually lift though

>> No.10755362

>>10755359
There's like an entire chapter in IJ about training for tennis where his self insert gets swole

>> No.10755363

>>10755359
well he was big on tennis so i assume he worked out, but also notice his arms on his knees pushing the flesh out making it look bigger, god he was such an insecure piece of shit

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>>10755110
>The only truly sincere American author has been Salinger

What the fuck are you talking about. That slimey Jew never gave an honest look at himself in his life

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