/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.10718990]

Makes you think

[Anonymous No.10718995]

she should read KIDS

[Anonymous No.10718998]

>they let dogs work as librarians nowadays

[Anonymous No.10719007]

>>10718990
>1984 Animal Farm
is there a missing conjunction there? also
>not recommending Fahrenheit 451
as long as you're throwing out entry-level dystopia it might as well be relevant also
>implying this ever happened
surely nobody is this stupid to announce their crimes on twitter

[Anonymous No.10719009]

fake

[Anonymous No.10719013]

>>10719007
some people advertise their services

[Anonymous No.10719022]

>>10718998
>pigs can fly nowadays

[Anonymous No.10719028]

W-why is Peterson getting so popular bros? The Marxist revolution was supposed to be right around the corner and now we're fucked!

[Anonymous No.10719035]

>>10718990
What is the Streisand effect?

[Anonymous No.10719036]

>>10718990
>1984 The Animal Farm
kek, that guy is an excellent memer

[Anonymous No.10719039]

>>10719028
No one thinks this way, and Peterson isn't stopping anything - I doubt any NEET rooms have been cleaned.

[Anonymous No.10719044]

>>10719028
NOOOOOO THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING THE DIALECTIC TOLD ME THE WORKERS WOULD REVOLT NOT VOTE FOR DRUMPFPH
FUCKING RURAL AND SUBURBAN RETARDS HOLDING US BACK FROM FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY COMMUNISM JDIMSA

[Anonymous No.10719076]

>>10719044
HILLARY HAD A 99.9% CHANCE OF WINNING ON THE DAY OF THE ELECTION WHAT HAPPENED? OBVIOUSLY DRUMPF HACKED THE ELECTION WITH PUTIN BUT THE MOST INTELLECTUAL AND WELL EDUCATED PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY ALL AGREED DRUMPF WAS LITERALLY HITLER AND COULD NEVER WIN? AND NOW THIS, A FUCKING WHITE MALE WHO HAS THE AUDACTIY TO PUBLISH A BOOK ABOUT A CLEARLY RIGGED ELECTION?

[Anonymous No.10719084]

>>10719007
>he hasn't read 1984 the animal farm

[Anonymous No.10719089]

>>10719028
don't worry bro! peterson btfos teh postmodern sjw soycucks! Shadilay!

[Anonymous No.10719095]

>>10719089
Meme magic is the new synthesis cick

[Anonymous No.10719110]

>>10718990
She must really hate clean bedrooms and beds that are made.

[Anonymous No.10719126]

>>10719007
>surely nobody is this stupid to announce their crimes on twitter
bro there have been people who posted pictures of themselves with stolen items on the victim's facebook page. people regularly record themselves committing crimes and putting the videos up on multiple social media platforms. never underestimate how fucking stupid and arrogant people can be.

[Anonymous No.10719132]

>>10719039
I cleaned my room, i got a job, now i suffer with meaning. He genuinely helped me.

[Anonymous No.10719135]

>>10719132
That's good. Do you use your new earnings to pay back your daddy debt on patreon dot com?

[Anonymous No.10719136]

>>10719132
>he bought into the wageslavery is meaningful meme

[Anonymous No.10719149]

>>10718990
surely fahrenheit 451 would have been a better dystopia to suggest

[Anonymous No.10719177]

>>10719007
>nobody is this stupid to announce their crimes on twitter
Many are actually proud of what they are doing and doesn't even consider it as a crime.

[Anonymous No.10719202]

>>10719132
Me too bro. I was already somewhat on the mental mend (though nowhere near where I am now) before discovering him, but he still helped to point me in the right direction and turned me on to reading things I never would have otherwise. Don't pay any heed to snide cunts who can't bare to see anyone recover their life even in the smallest way.

[Anonymous No.10719238]

>>10718995
>she
someone on /pol/ did some hunting and found out it's a guy called graham or something

[Anonymous No.10719248]

>>10718990
Libraries have self help books?

[Anonymous No.10719259]

I think it's fake because of the way they include le rekt book suggestion

[Anonymous No.10719267]

>>10719248
yes
the librarian won't tell you where they are tho

[Anonymous No.10719273]

>>10719177
when most people use the word 'crime' they are referring to those actions which are defined and delineated in their state's penal code, and you know it

[Anonymous No.10719288]

>>10719039

[Anonymous No.10719292]

>>10719248
heh

[Anonymous No.10719343]

>>10719028
>if you dislike memerson you must be a marxist

[Anonymous No.10719376]

>>10719288
Nice meme ahahah I loved 2016

[Anonymous No.10719412]

>>10719039
>communism will prevail next time we just need keep up the fight bros!!!

[Anonymous No.10719415]

>>10719089

Ironically Peterson is a SJW soycuck himself.

[Anonymous No.10719482]

>>10718990
accurate representation of the average lit user

[Anonymous No.10719486]

>>10719267
Do you think this joke would help break the ice with a qt librarian, or have they probably heard them all before?

[Anonymous No.10719494]

>>10718990

Fake news

[Anonymous No.10719504]

>>10719412
>No one thinks this way
>HAHAH YOU LITERAL THINK THAT WAY
Wew. Nice comprehension there bud. I don't know any Marxist who thinks we can wish communism into being.

[Anonymous No.10719540]

>>10718990
It’s almost like you can just make a sock and say anything. As if somebody that actually works at that library would say they were going to destroy books on twitter, you’re a fucking idiot if you buy this.

>>10719028
Marxism is getting more and more popular. It’s only natural that such a fact would create pushback.


>>10719044
Weird that the world’s foremost Marxist intellectual supported Trump and predicted him. From Zizek’s perspective Trump represents the working classes correctly recognizing that the role of the media in manufacturing ‘official opinion’ and the positive development of the de-legitimation of the government and other institutions of power. The election of Trump now acts as an ideological rupture, an “event” in his jargon, which raises the serious possibility of reconfiguring it in our favour.


The Marxist line IS that the focus on the Russia Affair is the result of the psychic trauma from the ruptured Imaginary, and thus they need to rely on the existence of a decisive outside factor as a way of not confronting the fact that their politics simply don’t appeal to people anymore. It’s focusing all the blame on the spark from a passing car, and not how we came to live in a dry tinderbox.

>>10719076
It’s actually pretty funny to see this because it looks like Redhats are going to completely misread their opposition in the dialectically opposite way that Clinton and her supporters did. Nobody on the Communist or socialist left things like this, and you are going to be the one who suffers for not recognizing that.

This is a side note, and I can’t say this enough times, while the New York Times and other publications completely blew their election prediction, Nate Silver and 538 got it right as always. On the morning of Election Day they gave Clinton 2/3rds, Trump 1/3rd. A result where Clinton won the popular vote by 5 million or whatever but lost the college is perfectly consistent with that result. Something that happens one third of the time still happens a lot. If you played Russian Roulette with a six-shooter and two loaded chambers, how good would you feel? In the end the polls were not wrong and the actual experts accurately called it. It was the liberal pundits for whom Trump was an unthinkable thing who incorrectly read the empirical data.

[Anonymous No.10719562]

Why is it always leftists doing this shit? You never hear about like a conservative moving all copies of Marx's Capital to the fantasy section or some shit like that.

[Anonymous No.10719652]

>>10719132

This is the most fascinating part it me. The fact that at its root Peterson’s core problematic is finding meaning in the world today. Yet he’s built his brand around being an ‘anti-postmodernist’, despite seeking to address the exact same question they were, if ‘they’ can even be demarcated in any real way.

Postmodern philosophy, if it is anything, is a generation of philosophers trying to come to terms with finding meaning in a world after the death of both God and the great modernist projects of deliberately human constructed/engineered societies. In otherwords, the question of meaning in ‘the postmodern condition’. Postmodernism is an attempt to come to grips with postmodernity, the incomprehensibly complex, accelerating, fluxating world where there is no long a church everybody goes to or a democracy that anybody really believes in. It’s a world where people are atomized, and detached from any notion of their history, either personally or nationally, and have no strong vision of the future as different from the present. The world is so complex, and we are all pulled by many spheres of life to the point that all of us experience a fragmented subjectivity, never comfortable or whole or ‘a part’ of anything. This is a problem postmodernist thinkers wanted to talk about.

This is why Foucault spent so much time investigating marginalized people, homosexuals, the insane, the sick, criminal and sex workers and so on. People who live categorically outside any system by which the ‘normal’ person finds meaning. And what he tried to find was how these people construct their own subjectivities and their own sense of meaning, with the hope that from this we might come to understand how the rest of us can come to terms with life in postmodernity.

I see Peterson as somebody who sees the same problem but essentially proposes a return to pre-modern forms of meaning, but I’d really appreciate learning if this is correct or not.

Can you explain in short how Peterson grapples with the question of meaning? If not, could you link to a concise video that does? I don’t want to trek around hours and hours of video, but I am interested.

[Anonymous No.10719661]

>>10719007
>surely nobody is this stupid to announce their crimes on twitter
You'd think so. You'd hope so. But you'd be wrong.

[Anonymous No.10719683]

>>10719007
>surely nobody is this stupid to announce their crimes on twitter
lmao

[Anonymous No.10719788]

>>10719562
Fundies got up in arms about Harry Potter.

[Anonymous No.10719812]

>>10719562
it's mostly conservatives that try to get books removed from school libraries because they have any slightly controversial ideas in them

[Anonymous No.10719824]

>>10719652
I rather like this analysis. But it's kind of blackly humorous to view Peterson through this lens. He thinks the postmodernists failed.
If he's on the same track a sthem, doesn't that mean he's destined to fail, too?

[Anonymous No.10719836]

>>10719652
Damn this is legitimately the first explanation of post modernism I've seen on this site

[Anonymous No.10719843]

>>10719504
can I introduce you to >>10719540

[Anonymous No.10719845]

>>10719812
you mean its leftists putting gay propoganda in children's books and sane parents saying they want nothing to do with that

[Anonymous No.10719850]

ITS NOT FAIR
THEY WERE FINALLY GOING TO GIVE POSITIONS OF POWER TO WOMENS LIT STUDENTS

[Anonymous No.10719856]

>>10719540
>Zizek
>Foremost Marxist intellectual
the absolute state of Marxism desu familia

[Anonymous No.10719859]

>>10719845

[Anonymous No.10719874]

>>10719652
william james want meaning
lacan want meaning too
william james ironically lacan

[Anonymous No.10719876]

>>10719845
no. it's mostly because of swearing and challenging religious views. because americans are delicate, and they don't like to think for themselves.
also pic related was removed from a library in canada for "perpetuating negative stereotypes of indigenous peoples"

[Anonymous No.10719883]

>>10719812
i thought you guys had taken up the anti-free speech mantle recently

[Anonymous No.10719892]

>>10719876
>americans don't like to think
>posts something about canada
this board just gets smarter by the day

[Anonymous No.10719911]

>>10719883
It's what everyone does when they're trying to maintain control.

[Anonymous No.10719925]

>>10719911
free speech is a meme tbqh. i have never met anyone that doesn't get upset over at least some topics

pretty much everyone has a 'how dare you question that' subject

[Anonymous No.10719926]

>>10719883
>you guys
???
exactly who do you think you are addressing with that comment?

>>10719892
i never said the two statements were related
but if you want to be a dick about it, canada is part of the north american continent

pic related was removed from classrooms in idaho because it includes the phrase "god damn"

[Anonymous No.10719930]

>>10719652
nowadays, christ has been effectively replaced by a ''marginalised'' 300lbs transgedner with neon blue hair. I am a white mane caught in a dead end job, i'm socially inept, I hate life and myself and I let out some steam by beating strawmen of the ''lgbt community'' online. My 'right wing' attitudes are little me than a product of the crushing sense of hopelessness and disappointment RE; the modern world and mass culture.

[Anonymous No.10719940]

>>10719876
nobody does that in america, maybe in a public school library but in an actual library no one is going to try to censor anything

[Anonymous No.10719945]

>>10719926
>t, canada is part of the north american continent
Yeah, you sound really intelligent referring to them as Americans

[Anonymous No.10719956]

>>10719940
>>10719812
>removed from school libraries
which also includes some university libraries

[Anonymous No.10719958]

>>10719926
>pic related was removed from classrooms in idaho because it includes the phrase "god damn"

[Anonymous No.10719960]

>>10719945
????
point to where i referred to canadians as americans
(even though they are)
try to do that without hurting yourself

[Anonymous No.10719990]

>>10719960
>(even though they are)
my fucking sides

[Anonymous No.10719993]

>>10719883
I have taken up the 'there's nothing worth saying within the framework of the discourse hell we currently inhabit and we are all doomed' mantle. bell hooks, Jordan Peterson and Eckhardt Tolle are merely competing pushers of pseudo-politicised self help literature. We all fast loosing all contact with our literate past, institutions such as universities and schools are nothing but vulgar instruments of human cattle management. Increasingly impersonal bureaucratic worlds inhabited by atomised non-entities always seeking distraction and shareable rage content.

[Anonymous No.10719999]

>>10719993
thanks for the cringe

[Anonymous No.10720006]

>>10718990
1,2 shit on the floor
3,4 pick up dicks
5, 6 eat my ass
>burns/destroys books and posts about it publicly to stop people reading book in question
>thinks this will stop or means there will be less people reading it
She’s retarded

[Anonymous No.10720008]

>>10719652
I think Peterson's view on how to achieve optimal meaning in life can be summarized with one of his most famous quotes: to ride the line between order and chaos.
So I'm guess his perspective is that the post modern world which pulls people apart into their own subjectivity is not a tenable view and that there are certain objective values which we must strive towards. This supposedly prevents the mentality of doing whatever you want because there are infinite subjective experiences. He believes the guidebook for this optimal way of life can be found in religion and myth, as it is the tradition and history that you say has been lost in the postmodernist view. This is why Peterson wants to bring it back as a why to reunite people. This is the order part of his belief system.
However he also acknowledges that much of religion is focused on looking for new experiences, having faith that large scale efforts will work and being innovative. This is the chaos part which is essentially risk taking.
This is why he claims that following the ever changing path that provides meaning is the optimal way to live. I agree with you that people can form their own meaning in life, I'm not sure about peterson, but I do believe that if you analyze religion as moral literature some good advice on how to attain meaning can be found without being committed to some of the less modern dogma or religious traditions.

[Anonymous No.10720023]

>>10719925
Yeah, at best I think ite a took to challenge dominant grouos, but it will as be abandoned in the long run.

[Anonymous No.10720024]

>>10720008
By objective I mean statistically more viable even if it is subjective.

[Anonymous No.10720052]

>>10719925
>when you're a literal retard
I do not agree with what you say but I will defend your right to say it.
You're really showing your colors, bud.

[Anonymous No.10720125]

mfw im in the same city as this pinko fuck

[Anonymous No.10720175]

>>10719540
> Nobody on the Communist or socialist left things like this, and you are going to be the one who suffers for not recognizing that.

Nobody at all thinks like this, it's a strawman of the fabricated Hillary voter. The only people who remotely voiced this it-was-her-turn" opinion were sockpuppets on twitter and lena dunham.

Then again, trump voters refer to neoliberals as communists on a regular basis

[Anonymous No.10720187]

>>10719812
like the word nigger in huck finn? please.

[Anonymous No.10720198]

>>10720175
communists are de facto stormtroopers for neoliberalism, they do the dirty work of the liberals enforcing the mass immigration female hypergamy agenda. The only legit revolutionary path involves reading SIEGE by James Mason, and the esoteric third positionist works of authors such as Dugin, Guenon, and Miguel Serrano.

[Anonymous No.10720230]

>>10719925
I get triggered over all sorts of topics but people should still have the right to voice them, you weak willed fuck. I'm a black guy on 4chan, and people throw around 'nigger' like it's going out of style. You don't see me advocating for censorship of /pol/.

[Anonymous No.10720232]

>>10720198
Go the fuck away

[Anonymous No.10720234]

>>10718995
She should read SIEGE

[Anonymous No.10720246]

>>10720052
>>10720230
wew lads. personally I don't care at all. you can be a Nazi, you can be kill YT, you can defend pedophilia or infant sacrifice

I said that in practice people are not actually like this. they usually have a topic where they wont listen to arguments or evidence, theyll just shut off

[Anonymous No.10720250]

>>10720175
well you guys refer to Trump voters as Fascists all the time. same thing really

[Anonymous No.10720264]

>>10720187
>huck finn
"
Removed from the Montgomery County,
Penn. school curriculum (2015) after a
group of students said the book’s use of
the N-word made them uncomfortable
and the students thought the school was
not being inclusive. Since its publication
in 1884, the book has caused controversy
starting in 1885 when it was banned in
Concord, Mass. as “trash and suitable
only for the slums.”
"

it's an exception. mostly books that feature wogs are challenged/withdrawn on some ridiculous pretext (swearing, sex etc) because americans don't like their ideas challenged. example beloved by toni morrison, challenged because of its gang rape scene

[Anonymous No.10720278]

>>10720198
>>10720232
He's actually entirely right. Marxists nowadays are simply footsoldiers of the establishment. In case you weren't paying attention, the revolution has been commodified.

>>10720230
You've got a strong stomach, anon. I'd suggest using 'cracker' or 'honky' back at them, but it doesn't work as well against us, unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.10720280]

>>10720232
you are 'triggered' because you know its true. genderqueer antifa furries are the foremost enforcers of the system, they are the opposite of subversive. The blue hair set are college administrators, they run the media and most major corporations with an iron fist. Daring to be a straight white man in public is about the most subversive thing one can do. I'm calling for a skinhead uprising against global capitalism and the bluehaired pc freaks who currently manage it.

[Anonymous No.10720286]

>>10720278
I don't want to reduce a person to their race, no matter how retarded I think their views are. It's happened to me and I refuse to do it to another human being.

[Anonymous No.10720324]

>>10720280
what a fucking drama queen

[Anonymous No.10720329]

>>10720286
Sadly I don't think that this problem is going to get better anytime soon. It is simply too convenient for everyone to use racial cognition in lieu of politics or sociology.

>>10720280
Your calling for such a thing is also just one more tool in their kit, anon.

[Anonymous No.10720387]

>>10720324
>implying we don't live in a totalitarian gynocratic managerial dystopia run by blue haired women

[Anonymous No.10720527]

Shy, ashamed, awkward, like the tiger whose spring has failed -- thus, you higher men, have I often seen you slink aside. A cast which you made has failed --

But what does it matter, you dice-players! Have you not learned to play and joke, as one must play and joke? Do we not ever sit at a great table of joking and playing?

And if great things have been a failure with you, have you yourselves therefore been a failure? And if you yourselves have been a failure, has man therefore been a failure? If man, however, has been a failure -- well then? Never mind!

[Anonymous No.10720540]

>>10720387
yo why didn't they make the purple chick have purple eyes to match her getup i mean it's scifi they can do whatever

[Anonymous No.10720586]

>>10719028
We'll stop Peterson!

[Anonymous No.10720680]

>>10719836
I feel as though I read a new one every week and yet it seems different every time. Could it be that postmodernism is a vague term that tries to unify too many different belief systems? Who's to say that Foucault should be lumped in with Derrida and Lacan in the first place? Are their projects really so similar? And just what the hell is the difference between post-structuralism and postmodernism?

[Anonymous No.10720713]

>>10719652
postmodernism is retards pissing on themselves right before society completely collapses

[Anonymous No.10720714]

>>10720052
>y-you're a bad person. now, feel bad!!!

[Anonymous No.10720721]

>>10719652
This sounds closer to existentialism. Postmodernism seems more like an umbrella term for anything falling from Modernity, and is claimed for its own by various authors. This however is the case for any emerging motif of an age, when something is trying to define itself. We'll know what postmodernism is in 10-20 years probably.

[Anonymous No.10720794]

>>10719824
I don’t think Peterson recognizes that that is what postmodernism is about. He has heard vague things about relativism and social contructionism, and thinks that is the sum total of the thought of Foucault and Derrida. Rather, they saw the same problem that Peterson did, then embarked on a project to deeply understand that condition and how to negotiated it.
The big difference is that because all the postmodernist *were* leftists, they did not want to return to pre-modern sources of meaning, which they saw as entailing a return to pre-modern forms of oppression. I think they saw something like fascism as a sort of lurking pre-modernism which haunted society, and communism as a lurking modernism, things which could be relapsed into.

I think he’s essentially correct in that it’s possible to find meaning in pre-modern sources, I’m just not sure that it will be positive in the long run, it’s a sort of retreat into the darkness.


>>10719930
If you are correct then it does give me a lot of hope that Peterson supporters can be reached. Because everybody on the Marxist left also all hate their lives, hate their jobs, are over educated and underpaid, and are crushed by hopelessness. It’s just that once you make a couple friends who are gay or trans, beating online representatives of the lgbt community isn’t really that fun, so we sublimate that into arguing about history instead. I know the historical teleology of Marxism is false, yet, the idea of a coming future socialism does help fight the hopelessness. I accept that it basically takes the form of a religion, that there will one day be a salvation, but like a church it’s the immediate community that it provides which keeps me going.

[Anonymous No.10720863]

>>10720008
From some of what I’ve seen it seems like he does believe there are something like ‘natural values’.

Marxists too fiercely critique the postmodern condition as being a society that is in the eternal present, that it is defined as being without a sense of its own history, and with no sense that it is moving towards anything better. Fredric Jameson’s Postmoderism or The Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism maps out how there was a massive shift in media, art, architecture, literature, and philosophy towards complete ahistorical, decontextual representation of ideas and images across the whole culture. I think that despite being a Marxist, Peterson would agree with the bulk of what Jameson has to say, though he would probably disagree with how Jameson derives this from the tendencies within post-war capitalism and their dialectical relation to pre-war culture. Ultimately Peterson has an idealist understanding of culture, not a materialist one, but sort of that there is a lot of cross over here.

Communists agree that it is fundamentally the dislocation, atomization, and mass standardization of culture, all inherent in capitalism, which produces the hopelessness and despair of the modern day, but it’s only going to be by building a better future and overcoming the alienation of capitalism that that can be beaten. Something like a return to tradional religion or whatever is only covering the wound, and isn’t going to fundamentally change its route cause. The abandoning of those systems of belief are the result of capitalist development, and as long as there is a capitalist logic informing our social system of values we cannot escape that basic problem.

[Anonymous No.10720929]

>someone unironically churns out walls of water on kermit's plain as day jungian pro-traditionalist hurdur and pomo boogy-monstery
Those painful... freshman mixer... with humanicucks... flashbacks.... ARRRRRGH

[Anonymous No.10720964]

>>10720680
Ultimately all those postwar frenchies did a lot of work in a lot of different areas and how you characterize them depends on what you want to foreground on their work and why.

They would never allow themselves to be called postmodernist, they reject it explicitly and fiercely. And while it’s a contentious term, it is useful for contrasting themes in their thought with modernist thinkers, and by putting them in contrast with the later Marxist thinkers who want to characterize their work as arising in response to particular economic and social trends. People like Badiou, Jameson, and Zizek will use postmodern to identity a particular cultural logic which includes but isn’t limited to certain people associated with post-structuralism. They see it as a far broader social phenomenon, postmodernity, and not a school of thought.

Post-structuralism is closer to what they would have called themselves. Structuralism was a self aware intellectual movement in France and Derrida consciously leveled a critique against it in his paper ‘Sign, Signifier and Play in the discourses of the human sciences’, after which all further work was now ‘post-structuralist’ because it had to factor that critique in. But what they saw themselves as doing, what they were doing, and whether they were part of any broader cultural trends are three different questions. Foucault repeatedly said that his whole project was simply trying to understand modernism. Really it was more about trying to understand power, and the role of power in people’s lives. This led him to conclusions about how people make meaning in their lives, a project which can be compared to how Derrida investigated the structure of meaning in texts. Foucault was really a historian and sociologist, and Derrida was more a literary critic, but the fact they both talk about meaning unifies aspects of their projects. Lacan’s goal was training doctors to perform therapy, and he himself was staunch conservative. Yet his work has been wildly productive in reformulating a Marxist theory of subjectivity, and used prolifically in film analysis. Neatling sorting everything that happened in postwar france is impossible, but we try our best.

Postmodernism can be defined as the rejection of metanarratives, but while that is true, I don’t think it gets to the heart of what the fundamental question is. That’s why I defined it as I did above today.

[Anonymous No.10721102]

>>10719028

[Anonymous No.10721135]

>>10719009
I'm 90% sure it's real, scary shit

[Anonymous No.10721175]

>>10719652
>This is why Foucault spent so much time investigating marginalized people, homosexuals, the insane, the sick, criminal and sex workers and so on. People who live categorically outside any system by which the ‘normal’ person finds meaning. And what he tried to find was how these people construct their own subjectivities and their own sense of meaning, with the hope that from this we might come to understand how the rest of us can come to terms with life in postmodernity.
Peterson would probably say Foucault's mistake was thinking their value systems are consequence of their economic status or sexuality. Rather he'd say these marginalized people operate within the same system as everyone else, they have all the same biological human needs, and the extent to which those are met is what defines their fundamental values. It's reasonable I think as it explains the variation in the beliefs of people in similar situations otherwise but who vary in their emotional life.

[Anonymous No.10721244]

1984: The Animal Farm

[Anonymous No.10721251]

>>10720286
faggot
t. fag

[Anonymous No.10721297]

>>10721175
It’s more that, if you think about a happy normal American man, you can imagine a suburb, a family, a good job probably at an office somewhere, decent car, pool etc. This happiness is tied to a selfimage of what it means to be successful, and that notion of successful is obviously culturally relative, and fundamentally has some sort of relation to the economic system. He grew up being presented with ideas of what it meant to be successful, and that that was important and that was what would make him ‘good’ and when he achieves that there is happiness. People who don’t reach that position feel a greater lack, a sense of inadequacy and so on.


For people who are born and raised so far outside that mainstream view of ‘success’, people who, while exposed to that, are in position where actually achieving it is totally impossible, for them to be motivated to work toward anything, for them to have any sense of self esteem or self image, there need to be some other point of reference on which they can build that.


While everybody has the same fundamental biological needs, I don’t think that captures the whole of the social. Or rather, looking at humans as merely needing food, water, and shelter, that is incorrect because humans are fundamentally social and that there are also social needs which are necessary for psychological well being.

So if you live on the margins, as say a Hispanic kid in poor area, you don’t look up to the white picket fence as a reference point for meaning, instead you might look up to Scarface or something. Foucault would probably argue that in capitalist culture media figures and cultural tropes play a more formative part as role models than parents do.

[Anonymous No.10721336]

>>10718990
I think this idiot misheard when their boss said "1984 and Animal Farm" and they heard it as "1984 The Anime Farm"

[Anonymous No.10721366]

>>10721336
>1984 The Anime Farm

[Anonymous No.10721367]

>>10719540
>Marxist line
Zizek doesn't speak for all Marxists and not all Marxists are Lacanians
>Marxism is getting more and popular
Pseudo-Marxism (see Jacobin), "Democratic Socialism," and shit tier communism are along with the social justice/anarchist radical left. The classical left wing project is dead dude you're going to be outmoded pretty soon by the New New Left, which is paradoxically more anarchist and more authoritarian in its attitude towards praxis and speech control. Not to mention the new trend of "axes of oppression," note I'm not talking about idpol neoliberals I'm talking about the intersectionality types taking over the actual popular socialist organizations (DSA for ex.) that have a reach on campuses, and any left wing movement without student support is basically toast because it's definitely not going to get broad working class support besides picking up the progressive minority of the working class.

Don't get me wrong I'm a big fan of Marxian analysis, many of my favorite writers are Marxists and I even enjoy Zizek. I just don't see the means of authentic resistance against globalized techno-capitalism through any of the existing left wing organizations, post-modern capitalist society is too fragmentary by its nature to allow a mass movement of the classical left wing nature. Maybe you're not classical, maybe you have some newer trendier vision but I find the Anarchist/New Leftist theories from the 60s and onward esoteric and even more utopian than the communism of Marx's manifesto.

[Anonymous No.10721389]

>>10719652
you're being a bit too specific here, post-modernism in its most basic sense as an intellectual trend/movement is rejection of meta-narratives. That's it. That's why Peterson sounds silly criticizing it, because he ascribes to them a meta-narrative that contradicts the post modern ethos itself. That doesn't mean that Peterson's actual enemies (social justice and
race/gender/queer critical theorists) haven't borrowed concepts that have been put under the sign of post-modernism but these trends more correlate to post-modernism than they are definitively a part of it.

[Anonymous No.10721393]

>>10721367
as a white man is see no choice but fascism and spending the rest of my fucking life groveling before the intersectional transgenderblob community. Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

[Anonymous No.10721437]

>>10718990
As a library worker I wish this was real (it's not).

[Anonymous No.10721469]

>>10721367
Authoritarian Left is objectively best, of course

[Anonymous No.10721470]

>>10721297
How then do you explain the variation in outcome of people from the same background? Probably something like interpretation of their background, but I suppose the idea here is how that is formed is based upon a hierarchy of needs. I'd describe Peterson's view as a new hierarchy of needs not unlike Maslow's.

[Anonymous No.10721476]

>>10721470
their interpretation of their background

[Anonymous No.10721495]

>>10719028
I know this is b8, but Marxists always talking about the "revolution" reminds me of the way christcucks talk about the second comming

[Anonymous No.10721513]

>>10718990
>keeping midwits out of the library
She's a hero

[Anonymous No.10721527]

>>10721495
it's such a trite-sounding observation that I am always too embarrassed to say it, but lowkey this is exactly how I think of Marxists.

[Anonymous No.10721554]

>>10721495
>>10721527
Hate to be a le both sides guy, but I think this can be applied to any Post-Structural ideology.

God is dead and the system is dead. The rampant politicization is just a result of that. Fascists want to believe in the Helicopter Ride and the Ethnostate, and Marxists want to believe in the Revolution. We're always going to cling to something to believe to.

[Anonymous No.10721625]

>>10720278
>unironically quoting a Marxist's attack on non-Marxist
A dying breed at best

[Anonymous No.10721739]

>>10720230
btw I'm a gurl

[Anonymous No.10721749]

>>10721367
Yeah, i don’t disagree. I haven’t heard the ‘axes of oppression’ line yet but I’m sure it won’t be long.

Honestly yeah, I’m an old man of a leftist. I believe unions will be a centre of strength if there ever is going to be a real left again. I think anti-imperialism is the paramount ethical issue of our time.

But yeah, I don’t forsee anything actually working out well.

It sounds like University is too expensive for working class youth to go to in the United States, so the class background of students and workers are always going to be at odds, there is never going to be a US May ‘68. Everything I’ve seen on twitter has made me pretty pessimistic about the DSA, did you see that China essay that was getting circulated yesterday? It’s like they just aren’t serious.

If there is any party out there it’s the PSL but I don’t know anybody actually in it who can speak to how it’s going. It’s like, a still will call myself a Marxist Leninist, but what does that even mean today? It’s obvious no actual Leninist party could win using a straightforward Leninist strategy in the west.

I don’t like Laclau, I don’t see the political implications of Badiou’s philosophy, it pisses me off that there is now a Maoist youth org in town trying to compete with my Leninist one, especially since the organizers are fucking repellant assholes. Just the whole damn ‘highest stage of revolutionary theory’ pisses me off, there has never been a single successful Maoist revolution in history.

I enjoy Zizek too. I really like Mark Fisher, Capitalist Realism is a great essay. Jodi Dean is also really good.

>>10721495
>>10721527
I’ve come around to this view, and I don’t even dislike it, in fact I embrace it. If anything I want to make my Marxist organization more like a church, at least then it might provide some semblance of community to people.

[Anonymous No.10721849]

>>10721554
classical marxists are structuralists by definition though

[Anonymous No.10721879]

>>10721749
It is a political theory not a religion. I understand the need for solidarity, but the common status of proletariat should be enough.

[Anonymous No.10721882]

>>10721749
Maoism would be worse than just riding out the techno-capitalist hyperreal dystopia. That's why I hate communists they're just as much prisoners of the enlightenment project as liberals are. In this post-modern epoch of fragmentary cultural streams and endless technological stimulation and communication (which you could argue even began in 1991 with the collapse of the Soviet modernist project and with it political high modernism, the descendant of the French revolutionary project and Rousseau) you could argue anybody claiming to be a Maoist or communist is resurrecting the sign of communism and not the project itself, it will always be a hollow imitation that may even resort to revolutionary violence but that will ultimately lead to nothing. Kinda reminds me of the Russian revolutionary nihilists of the 60s coming after the liberal men of the 40s. That's not to discount the possibility of some kind of social rupture (not revolution in the classical sense) that leads to the rise of a new authoritarian ideology that identifies itself under the sign of fascism or communism or some other debased form of high modernism. I don't honestly see that happening though I think we are in for a long, slow, violent decline where violence will become increasingly localized as the tensions of globalization and overpopulation come to a head. That's my guess anyway.

[Anonymous No.10722849]

>>10721879
what is ideology for 500 Alex

[Anonymous No.10723688]

>>10718990
Hi Megillus. I like your tweets. Keep it up, big guy.

[Anonymous No.10725275]

>>10721367
>I'm a big fan of Marx

[Anonymous No.10725387]

>>10723688

Your post has brought me warmth.

[Anonymous No.10725983]

This post is mostly correct but Peterson doesn't propose a return to pre-modern forms of meaning, he proposes a return to modernity, he's a liberal, a rationalist, a gnostic and his theology is completely modernistic.

[Anonymous No.10726185]

>>10719540
>Marxism is getting more and more popular.
wew lad

[Anonymous No.10726190]

>>10725983
Modernism is cancer. Modernism is a disgusting colonial ideology that I stomp out with every step.

[Anonymous No.10726809]

>>10726190
>colonial
>implying colonial is bad
lmao i dont understand why calling inferior people inferior is somehow bad. is it that hard to believe that evolution also applies to to human brains? when Nietzsche said "i don't like nazis and anti-semites and want to embrace pan-europeanism" he didn't mean he supported race mixing with niggers, mmkay. just wanted to clear that up, not that ive ever read Nietzsche or any german autism for that matter.

[Anonymous No.10726822]

>>10726809
>i dont understand why calling inferior people inferior is somehow bad
Because it hurts their feelings. I think that's about the sum of it

[Anonymous No.10726846]

>>10726822
you're right. its just too bad that everybody got swindled by the multicultural meme and now we'll have to keep up the charade for another century or two. whenever genetic engineering comes along and eliminates the gene barrier. sad!

[Anonymous No.10726882]

>>10719136
lets be honest, wageslavery specifically in retail is the only means of income most millennials can attain these days.

[Anonymous No.10726884]

>>10726846
>keep up the charade for another century or two.
m8 we are sprinting towards collapse. our societies will not see 2100 intact

[Anonymous No.10726891]

>>10726884

>People worry that Global Warming will destroy the coastal cities of North America in 500 years.

>America will perish in 120 years.

It's funny ain't it?

[Anonymous No.10726893]

>>10726822
>>10726809
because the causes of their 'inferiority' are not innate to them, but environmental, and also it leads to their physical harm. ( think genocide)

[Anonymous No.10726900]

>>10726893
>the causes of their 'inferiority' are not innate to them, but environmental,
citation needed

[Anonymous No.10726920]

>>10718990
I don't even care about Peterson but what twisted mental gymnastics is she performing to think it's ever the duty of a librarian to destroy books?

[Anonymous No.10726932]

>>10719028
>It's another "Unemployed NEET Wants Communism Even Though He Would Be in the First Wave of Gulag Trains" chapter

[Anonymous No.10726949]

>>10719486
Anybody working ANY job has already heard every joke about that line of work. EVERYONE should stop making jokes about peoples employment.

[Anonymous No.10726954]

>>10718990
Truly a dog's plan.

[Anonymous No.10726959]

>>10726932
>a /pol/ user and another stupid /pol/ user have a stupid interaction which only fools other stupid /pol/ users
you guys have the same avg iq as more clever niggers

[Anonymous No.10727003]

My penis is secreting a slippery substance

[Anonymous No.10727078]

>>10719993
I agree.

>>10719999
Stop.

[Anonymous No.10727096]

>>10719044
In my country recently the right wing candidate won by a huge margin and the progressive left went berserk in social media on the poor for voting for him. They said the most hurtful, classist things you can imagine and pretty much treated them like retarded for not voting for them. I'm not a very sensitive person but I really feel bad for them. The poor should be able to vote for their best interests without having to tolerate some rich kid treating them like garbage for wanting more jobs instead of more rights for the trannies.

[Anonymous No.10727107]

>>10727096
nobody cares you dumb spic
stop bumping a worthless thread

[Anonymous No.10727111]

>>10727096
Which country is this?

And yeah the elite Left having been doing that for decades, it was a big thing in the early 20th century. They got incredibly butthurt at the proles for being counter-revolutionary

[Anonymous No.10727115]

>>10720280
Go the fuck back to /pol/.

[Anonymous No.10727119]

>>10727096
t. uneducated spic
Go back to the hole you came, dumb ignorant piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.10727173]

>>10719412
It unironically will though. Late stain capitalism can't sustain itself anymore.

[Anonymous No.10727174]

>>10726190
>colonialism was bad
W E W L A D
E
W
L
A
D

[Anonymous No.10727178]

>>10727173
Our civilization being close to collapsing does not mean your fairy tale is going to come true

[Anonymous No.10727185]

>>10727096
USA?

[Anonymous No.10727549]

>>10727173
sure thing anon 1,000,000,000,000th time's the charm, right?

[Anonymous No.10727703]

>>10721495
>People think something good will happen in the future
>Haha what fools I'll just laugh at them from the sidelines

[Anonymous No.10727723]

>>10721495
Marxism is secularized Christianism.

[Anonymous No.10727730]

>>10727703
>Marxism
>good

[Anonymous No.10727753]

>>10727730
I most definitely never implied that
I was just giving Christian propaganda while condemning people who lack the resolve to take a leap of faith.

[Anonymous No.10727761]

>>10727723
more like secularized Judaism tbqh

[Anonymous No.10727866]

>>10727730
Why is she so perfect?

[Anonymous No.10727873]

>>10727096
>voting for their best interest
>right wing
Brainlet please

[Anonymous No.10727901]

>>10721749
the more authority you give a government the more miserable its citizens will be whatever faggoty label you want to put on it.

[Anonymous No.10727925]

>>10719028
Because he stands against authoritarianism, which we know by now to be absolutely the objective truest fact that allows for an enlightened society.

[Anonymous No.10728012]

>>10727096
They deserve to be treated like shit when they are voting against their own interests and fucking they country at the same time. The left may not be perfect but most of the time they know what the poor need even if the poor don't know it themselves.
>>10727866
This.

[Anonymous No.10728085]

>>10727866
how could she be perfect when this exists?

[Anonymous No.10728086]

>>10728012
And this is why the left deserve all the hate they get.

[Anonymous No.10728098]

>>10728012
authoritarianism lurks within you

[Anonymous No.10728105]

>>10728012
Please explain how mass immigration has helped the poor. Or mass welfare. Or doubling the workforce by bringing in women. Or spending 30 years talking about LQBTQAAAAAAA rights while wages flatlined and traditional communities were dismantled. Or constant sneering that they aren’t “progressive” enough. The idea that the left has ever been for the poor is laughable.

Actually don’t, this is a literature board, fuck off.

[Anonymous No.10728107]

>>10728012
This is very rude, senpai! Please consider your class privilege!!

[Anonymous No.10728114]

>>10728105
To be fair, welfare does help the poor. You're still right about everything else.

[Anonymous No.10728136]

>>10726882
Unless they got a useful degree or certificate, you mean. Working for a wage doesn't make you incapable of having a meaningful life. I have a pretty okay working class job and I make my life worth the hassle with a bunch of different things I am into. Jordan Peterson is an enlightenment-cock sucking liberal hack but not because he encourages people t get a decent job or whatever. Jesus. I would recommend the same thing, honestly.

Why are so many people, especially on this board such pussies about working? 'Oh boo hoo I have to do things to get things.' Grow the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.10728137]

>>10728098
This is the danger of memerson. There’s nothing wrong with “authoritarianism” the problem with the left is it pretends people are equal. Endless freedom inevitably leads to decline and decadence.

[Anonymous No.10728142]

>>10728136
Well, that's easy, senpai. Most jobs are horrible. But some people, the clever ones, were born into wealthy dynasties. Why do they deserve not to toil in misery for their lives while I do? I'm not sure your morality is as enlightened as you think it is.

[Anonymous No.10728146]

>>10728142
>toil in misery
t. firstworlder

[Anonymous No.10728150]

>>10728137
this is the danger of the right, there's nothing wrong with equality, the problem with the right is that it pretends people are unequal. Endless domination inevitably leads to resentment, weakness of spirit and decline of strength.

[Anonymous No.10728152]

>>10728146
It's good you bring that up. Let's take the hyper-wealthy out of the equation; disregard them. Do you think most US states would be "first world"? You'd be wrong. The average flyover state wouldn't be any better off than Brazil, economically speaking.

[Anonymous No.10728161]

>>10727873

giving free money to poor people doesnt help them

[Anonymous No.10728162]

>>10728137
>>10728150
both of you define "equal" right now

[Anonymous No.10728169]

>>10728142
I don't claim to be enlightened or clever, I'm just not a titty-baby. 'Oh woe is me I wasn't born in the absolute most lavish existence possible.' Jesus Christ, are you three? I don't mind and sometimes even like my job and I get a healthy wage. I can eat out when I want, I can buy any recording equipment I need, what do I want for? Not much, but my needs are (relatively) meager. Stop being a fucking pussy afraid to grab a goddamn wrench or welding goggles or whatever. You live in the most goddamn opulent time in all of history and it still isn't enough. What the fuck

[Anonymous No.10728186]

>>10728169
You're ignoring the point. The point is that there is a class of people who /don't/ need to do that! But the system which they administrate is causing a buildup of ressentiment.

"What the fuck" indeed. If you think there's a point where the underclass will say, "this is enough! we're good now!", well, this will never occur. The Overclass operate in the shadow of revolution: hell, they often manage the revolution themselves!

[Anonymous No.10728191]

>>10728152
>Do you think most US states would be "first world"?
Uh... Yes? What's first world for you? Germany?

[Anonymous No.10728194]

>>10728186
>>10728186
>The point is that there is a class of people who /don't/ need to do that!
I'm sure there is, but I am not one of them. I tried for more than a decade to foment insurrection against them. All I got out of it was a bad criminal record and some scars and stories. Now I fix automated machinery in a manufacturing plant and I am infinitely more content with my station. It does not bother me that some people have it easier. If I were born without eyes, should I want to blind the whole world? What a nasty person I would be if so.

[Anonymous No.10728199]

>>10728194
Well, I agree completely, living productively without resentment is way better than being a commie or an anarchist. But /most/ people don't have that presence of mind. Especially with wages stagnating, purchasing power falling...

>>10728191
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_between_U.S._states_and_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

[Anonymous No.10728268]

>>10720230
N I G G E R.

[Anonymous No.10728271]

>>10718990
I work in a library and we don't even have Jordan B Peterson's books.

[Anonymous No.10728291]

>>10728268
kek'd and don't even know why

[Anonymous No.10728357]

>>10728199
are you literally comparing Vermont to Sub saharan africa?

[Anonymous No.10728433]

>>10719562
Conservatives used to burn fucking Pokemon cards ffs

[Anonymous No.10729688]

>>10728433
When you consider the impact Anime has had, you can hardly blame them.

[Anonymous No.10729694]

>>10729688
So because Peterson is comparatively irrelevant it becomes less okay to throw him out?

[Anonymous No.10729739]

>>10725275
I didn't say that though

[Anonymous No.10729827]

>>10729688
Yeah without Pokemon Evangelion would have totally flopped.

[Anonymous No.10729845]

>>10729694
I don't even like Peterson, but his impact on the world isn't as bad as Japanese media.

[Anonymous No.10729895]

>>10729688
Let not pretend these plebs even acknowledge let alone know what was anime back then

[Anonymous No.10730035]

>>10719562
do you think this man is left/progressive or right/conservative?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I0poZE5w6E
use your head, man.

[Anonymous No.10730037]

>>10729895
The world would probably be slightly better if parents stopped their childrem from watching Dragon Ball Z when ot first appeared in the west.
My father watched it with us. I just can't comprehend that level of negligence.

[Anonymous No.10730054]

200 replies to a microfiction thread, nice to see smaller genres getting some respect

[Anonymous No.10730063]

>>10730054
>look up the guy's twitter
>he runs his own podcast site
>realize that the OP image is 100% true
>despair
>mfw

[Anonymous No.10730320]

>>10719652
>could you link to a concise video that does?
The first 45 minutes of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V1eMvGGcXQ

[Anonymous No.10730426]

>>10719028
>W-why is Peterson getting so popular bros?
Facebook crossposters.

[Anonymous No.10730533]

>>10727096
>the progressive left went berserk in social media on the poor for voting for him
The same thing happened in my country a few months ago and honestly I can't blame them. Classism isn't nice, but it's hard not to get mad at poor people when they keep fucking themselves over and over. If I said cruel and classist things to them wasn't because I'm classist but because I was mad at them for not seeing the big picture. The right wing guy literally won by offering more jobs and less crime while the leftist guy was offering free college education and a less discriminative society. The intellectual elite and the students supported him but sadly it wasn't enough. Now we will have to deal with a business man as a president for four fucking years. I'm still mad about the whole thing to be honest.

[Anonymous No.10730718]

>>10718990
>having a twitter account
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.10730775]

>>10730533
>Why won't the poor support me.
>Why don't they just listen to me when I ignore their concerns and conscious desires.

[Anonymous No.10730841]

>>10718990
>having a twitter account

[Anonymous No.10730878]

>>10730533
As a poorfag you have to live next to the savages progressives let into the country. It's easy to be open-minded when you get to go home to your white crime free neighbourhood, not when your living environment is actually 'multicultural'.

The poor are forced to vote right wing because the right wing is the only side that has an at least somewhat reasonable stance on immigration is most countries.

Leftists won't convince the white working class as long as they're not being pathologically dishonest about the destructive forces they've let loose on society.

[Anonymous No.10730932]

>>10730878
Why should the poor be vote for safety and economic security over the ability to return to the educational system that likely screwed them and that they're likely unprepared for? Or how about increased competition from other groups? Why can't we shake them from this awful false-consciousness?

[Anonymous No.10730957]

>>10730932
Because free education means either that the rich kids will be the ones going to college for free or that the standards will be lowered and getting a college education won't mean anything for anybody.

[Anonymous No.10730974]

>>10730957
I really think most Americans, especially poor ones, are right in their resentment of the education system and academia. How could you support a system that set your path in life based on the decisions you made as a teenager?

[Anonymous No.10730996]

>>10730932
Because safety and economic security are the most important things, followed by a sense of belonging.

Progressives want to destroy all of those.

[Anonymous No.10730999]

>>10730974
But you're not locked in. My dad grew up poor and failed out of high school but later got a PhD. He had to join the military though, it wouldn't have been possible without the GI bill.

[Anonymous No.10731023]

>>10730999
That's nice and all, but you know he's an exception. You can almost always tell how someone is going to do in life based on their position when they leave high school.

[Anonymous No.10731056]

>>10730999
>working class americans have to risk their lives for Jewish foreign policy to earn the right to go to school

Truly a crumbling empire.

[Anonymous No.10731416]

>>10730775
Because we unironically know what they need better than them.

[Anonymous No.10731426]

no it doesn't, chantard

[Anonymous No.10731440]

>>10718990
>Librarian
>Charged with the preservation of texts
>Openly advocating and admitting to what is essentially book burning.

This is what Leftism results in. Every. Fucking. Time.

[Anonymous No.10731627]

>>10731416
Why are your reforms more valuable to them than personal safety and economic security?

You may not think of your self as a calssist, but your post is oozing with unconscious classism.

[Anonymous No.10731653]

>>10731440
Also Christianity
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_popular_than_Jesus
How do we stop them?

[Anonymous No.10731662]

jesus fuck
let this thread die with some dignity

[Anonymous No.10731669]

>>10727096
Let's be real. There's nothing more pathetic than poorfags voting for the right. Just because they're voting for them doesn't mean they will get invited to the country club.

[Anonymous No.10731677]

>>10731669
There is one thing: the left being unable to appeal to them.

[Anonymous No.10731687]

>>10731669
>material goods are all that counts

typical lefty

[Anonymous No.10731702]

>>10728142
Life isn't fair and never will be. If you were born 200 years ago you would've been working in the coal mines and die of black lung in your mid 30s while the aristocrats dined. Suck it up, social mobility is better than ever and 80% of all millionaires are self made. I'm tired of all these fucking losers who can't cope with the cognitive dissonance between the idea they think they're smart but at the same time accomplish nothing. You're not smart, you're a fucking dumbass, especially if you can't manage to parley your supposed intellect into wealth. Get cracking you fucking spineless worm.

[Anonymous No.10731709]

>>10727873
>Giving more economic freedom to the poor is bad
You dumb

[Anonymous No.10731771]

>>10728012
>The left may not be perfect but most of the time they know what the poor need even if the poor don't know it themselves.
Leftist policy fails every time. Their solutions inevitably involve ridiculous tax hikes to fund hand outs that end up causing cultures of dependency and generations of people spending their entire lives on taxpayer funds rather than becoming self sufficient. It's not societies responsibility to feed, clothe or house you. That's YOUR responsibility. The left refuses to take personal responsibility for their situations and demands that government act like a pseudo parent who should take care of them. It's an absolutely disgusting ideology.

[Anonymous No.10731785]

>>10731653
>"Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me." His opinions drew no controversy when originally published in the United Kingdom, but angry reactions flared up in Christian communities when the comment was republished in the United States five months later.
Wow, Lennon sounds like a retard. No wonder he went in for all that goofy eastern shit, paying gurus thousands to be told his secret mantra or whatever.

Anyway. UK confirmed for being ripe for dystopia.

[Anonymous No.10731928]

>>10718990
>fake and gay

[Anonymous No.10731937]

>>10721135
It’s fake.

[Anonymous No.10731960]

>>10721135

[Anonymous No.10732606]

>>10731056
What?! That's the definition of a perfectly functioning empire

[Anonymous No.10733129]

>>10728085
>saber clone
>perfect
Get some taste

[Anonymous No.10733605]

>>10726884
Prophecies of doom aren't impressive or wise. Why not spend your time trying to predict which litecoin will blow up

[Anonymous No.10733617]

>>10719028
WE WILL BURY YOU

[Anonymous No.10733619]

>>10719540
hahahahahahahahaha

holy shit

hahahahahahahahaha

[Anonymous No.10733625]

>>10719812
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/05/14/columbia-students-claim-greek-mythology-needs-a-trigger-warning/?utm_term=.ca462ecb29e2

>start with the greeks
>turns out they're problematic

[Anonymous No.10733633]

>>10731771
What you are saying is only acceptable if you more or less admit that an individual has no responsibility to his society. But we both know you won't admit that

[Anonymous No.10733634]

[Anonymous No.10733641]

>>10733617
>tfw 6' 3
>tfw 1/2/3/4
>mfw walking up to this skelly and dead eyeing him
>mfw I tell him to take off his shirt
>w-what?
>your shirt comrade, I wish to make use of it now I say as I back him into a corner
>b-but he sputters as I lean in and kiss him passionatley
>then I rail out his asshole while choking him a little
>capitalism wins again

I also don't use quotation marks, because I'm trying to be more avant garde like Cormac McCarthy

[Anonymous No.10733651]

>>10733634
Holy shit RETHUGLICANS (aka literally Nazis) DESTROYED EPICLY by one (1) anonymous poster's meme!

HOW?!

Just click here!

[Anonymous No.10733685]

>>10733634
GOD IM SO HARD RIGHT NOW FUCK
SOMEBODY EXPLAIN RIGHT FUCKING NOW WHY CANADIAN GIRLS ARE SO GREAT

[Anonymous No.10733748]

>>10727703
It's more like
>people think society will suddenly become a utopia and all their problems will be solved in the near future
>they have been expecting this for centuries
>Haha what fools I'll just laugh at them from the sidelines

[Anonymous No.10734010]

>>10720230
>people throw around 'nigger' like it's going out of style
It's been out of style for the past 80 years.

[Anonymous No.10734040]

>>10734010
you know what pop music is ma nigga

[Anonymous No.10734046]

>>10734040
>>10734041
Spooky

[Anonymous No.10734062]

>>10733634
>whom
into the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.10734091]

>>10733634
Hahaha that's Lindsay Shepherd, and she didn't say that. She's a classical Liberal, not alt-right. In truth I understand the alt-right sentiment that non-whites are dangerous to whites, generally speaking. The sheer amount of crime that comes out of the black community in America is a reflection of that, as is all the crime that comes out of the dark refugees/migrants that go to Europe. It's not a rule, but I do believe that an all-white society has better chance of peace and success than a diverse society. That said, there will always be poor people, always be mentally deficient people, and so on and so forth. There will always also be crime to some degree. I believe that in a white society though, there would be less crime than a diverse society. Experimentation with an ethnostate would be interesting to see, but doing so on a national level is a dangerous precedent to make. Even if it were tried, though, I mean there are already some small towns out there with 100% white population. It's not exactly a utopia, but still, it's probably a generally crime-free place. That said, I know of a murder-suicide that was done in an all-white town. That's a little bit different, however, when compared to, say... South Africa. Rapidly declining since the fall of apartheid.

[Anonymous No.10734170]

>>10730932
Because safety and economic security are more important to them

[Anonymous No.10734195]

>>10731702
>social mobility is better than ever
lol

[Anonymous No.10734198]

>>10734195
you fucking dumbass.
He's right.
The internet has fucked shit up.
Whores and thieves reign.

[Anonymous No.10734246]

>>10730037
The fuck is wrong with DBZ ? It's the story of some guys fighting to save the world and training to be stronger

[Anonymous No.10734287]

>>10719028
Easy answers for e-orphans.

[Anonymous No.10734320]

>>10733748
But nobody thinks that except for the strawman in your head

[Anonymous No.10734980]

>>10721495
>>10727703
>>10733748
does anyone still fall for the utopia meme now that the dust has settled? isn't it clear that communists don't want anything beyond making everybody else as miserable as they are?

[Anonymous No.10735134]

>>10734091
You're talking to a leftist. They operate through deception and lies and trying to tell PoC like myself that they are protecting us from genocide lmao

[Anonymous No.10735150]

>>10733641
Oh just get a room with him already /pol/.

[Anonymous No.10735163]

Kind of a cool message. Maybe society would work better, if people just paid fucking attention to their actual jobs, and didn't worry themselves with trying to change the social structure of humanity. Which is also one of Peterson's messages, worry about YOUR shit, bro.

[Anonymous No.10735224]

>>10718990
>2018
>getting books in libraries
nobody does this senpai, at most its a comfy place to sit and read but filling up a building with books all of which can fit on a single sdcard is retarded.

[Anonymous No.10735287]

>>10731687
What kind of metaphysical good can Donald Trump offer, you fucking dolt. When it comes to voting in the elections, you SHOULD vote based material interest alone because this is why whoever the fuck is running is doing.

[Anonymous No.10735348]

>>10735287
You know that Donald Trump with complete the system of German idealism, right?

[Anonymous No.10735354]

>>10735348
will*

[Anonymous No.10735949]

>>10735287
>assumes everything is about his own country and meme president
You people never were a nation in the first place, just a botched enlightenment experiment turned into a multicultural empire of mutts.

Doomed from the start. Your success was temporary because real civilisations were momentarily crippled, but now you're start to fall behind again compared to cultures who have some level of social cohesion and values beyond 'reee i want to do what i want'.

[Anonymous No.10735955]

>>10735134
It is scary, the world we live in. I was just recently in a course, Government-funded to my knowledge, that tried to promote the concept of 'white privilege'.

[Anonymous No.10736690]

>>10719248
literally tons

[Anonymous No.10736841]

>>10735955
Some people may take it to a retarded level, but white privilege is a thing. Check your privileges.

[Anonymous No.10736860]

>>10735955
>>10736841
The problem is that it reduces individual people down to classes. Also, "white" is nebulous and often defined to be politically convenient. Individual people can't have white privilege. They just have their individual circumstances. Only groups as a whole can have socioeconomic privilege.

[Anonymous No.10736899]

>>10728136
because the schooling system and our childhood prepares us far a rich life. working 40 hours a week far away from this. so people are pissed. also, alienation

[Anonymous No.10736918]

>>10728142
i agree. people just shrug it of. well, bad luck, suck it up. they are inferior in there capacity for indignation, because they accept this brutal injustice. how can someone live while knowing, he has to work endless hours for almost nothing while others enjoy themselves while i slave for them.

[Anonymous No.10736920]

>>10736860
Cultural Marxism. From economic-level 'Proletariat vs Bourgeoisie' (or lower vs upper class) to cultural-level 'oppressed vs oppressor' (or minorities/LGBT/disabled vs white people, specifically white men).

Same shit, but rainbow-coloured, and mostly non-white shit, which makes it distinctly less-privileged feces.

[Anonymous No.10736934]

>>10728146
Compared to sitting and drinking cocktails and riding your yacht.

Injustice is a relationship between people. and no, the nigger in africa is not my reference. but it seems that you are happy with comparing yourself to him. well then, judge your life in comparison to him, no wonder you feel good about your situation.

[Anonymous No.10736935]

>>10736918
>he has to work endless hours for almost nothing
>almost nothing
If things were distributed equally among everyone on earth most of these American non-conformists would be poorer than they are now.

[Anonymous No.10736956]

>>10736935
Bullshit. Socialism would find a way to make everyone prospers. Capitalism is holding humanity down. It tells us we would be worse without it but it's bullshit. It's propaganda. Without it we would find the way. I'm sure of it.

[Anonymous No.10736964]

>>10728194
there are some crazy people, who are happy with shitty living conditions. you might be one of them, but that does not mean, that others are idiots if they refuse these shitty conditions for themselves. be happy that you found pleasure and happiness while wageslaving but accept that others are outraged by it.

[Anonymous No.10736971]

>>10736956
lol is this satire

[Anonymous No.10736972]

man politics are fuckin gay

[Anonymous No.10736976]

develop skills. save money. buy a rental properties. generate passive income. continue from there.

[Anonymous No.10736978]

>>10736964
First worlders are some of the richest people who have ever lived, but isn't it a tragedy that they aren't even richer?

[Anonymous No.10736992]

>>10736978
What is a tragedy is that the rich have so much compared to the poor and the middle class. It's not fair. That amount of wealth should be redistributed. How can someone be filthy rich without having to do anything while the rest have to work to live?

[Anonymous No.10736995]

>>10731702
some people have dignity, actually most humans have it under reasonable circumstances. most people refuse to hurt or exploit their fellow human. if this is weak for you, well, you might be a psychopath or you might have lost your own dignity.

[Anonymous No.10737039]

>>10736935
>poorer than now
maybe then they can start to be alive instead of buying a life

[Anonymous No.10737053]

>>10736935
I'm ok with that. What I hate is not being poor but being poorer than the rich. Fuck them for forcing me to be a wageslave.

[Anonymous No.10737054]

>>10736978
> i always compare myself to the past and to the poor. that makes me a happy fellow

[Anonymous No.10737063]

>>10719540
>Marxism is getting more and more popular.
We're witnessing the biggest revival of far right thought since WW2 and the far left has shit the bed completely.

[Anonymous No.10737077]

>>10737054
You don't get to claim to be oppressed by the rich because you're not. You're their partner in crime.

[Anonymous No.10737101]

>>10737077
Then how come I'm not rich? Are you fucking retarded? You get that even the first world middle class has to work for a wage, right?

[Anonymous No.10737131]

>>10737101
if you have the time and money to post on image boards you are bourgeois scum and your wealth will be redistributed

[Anonymous No.10737145]

>>10737131
you are just stupid and you know it

[Anonymous No.10737150]

>>10737145
you don't even understand what it is to be poor, your entire conception of being poor is having to work, which just shows your bourgeois mindset
retard

[Anonymous No.10737161]

>>10736978
I honestly don't give a fuck about poorfags in third world countries. I just want the American money to be redistributed among the American population. That's it.

[Anonymous No.10737176]

>>10737150
>bourgeois mindset
year 2018

[Anonymous No.10737195]

>>10737176
you seem like the kind of guy who buys 'SMASH CAPITALISM" cases for your iphone 15 gay rights edition

[Anonymous No.10737202]

>>10736992
>It's not fair.
therefore we should have a violent revolution after which things will continue to be unfair? you fucking people lol

[Anonymous No.10737220]

the top review on amazon summarizes the rules pretty well, its not very helpful to just list them rules alone.

[Anonymous No.10737277]

>>10737202
>be russian peasant conscript that is starving to death in a trench because your tsar wants to fight the germans for no good reason
>dude don't have a revolution it may not lead to utopia just starve quietly or inhale the mustard gas

[Anonymous No.10737281]

>>10719876
Which is dumb because the point of the natives in the story is to show the inhumanity of the Americans for stealing their land and their oil.

[Anonymous No.10737301]

>>10737277
Unironically this. The revolution must be done to honor the struggle of peasants trough the entire human history. Repeat after me: their pain won't be in vain.

[Anonymous No.10737337]

>>10737301
18+ website.

[Anonymous No.10737345]

>>10737277
are you aware of what happened to thepeasants after they killed the Tsar you complete retard

[Anonymous No.10737355]

>>10737345
>implying goyim feel pain

[Anonymous No.10737372]

>>10737355

[Anonymous No.10737524]

>>10737301
Their pain won't be in vain.

[Anonymous No.10737649]

>>10737345
They all got education, healthcare, electricity and comfy apartments, homelessness and unemployment went away and the country became a superpower?

[Anonymous No.10737665]

>>10737649
they were murdered in the millions, and then sent to die in a war because the Tsar, sorry the General Secretary, wanted them to

[Anonymous No.10737681]

>>10737665
Perhaps, but now they died for a purpose and not for an oligarchy that didn't give a fuck about them.

[Anonymous No.10737701]

>>10737681
you cant actually be that naive, pls tell me you're a poltard playing commie

[Anonymous No.10737712]

>>10737665
They were murdered in the millions before, it was worth a shot at the time. It's not like they were comfortable middle class people with a quirky desire for revolt before it went down. They had nothing to lose and everything to gain.

I'd rather be an average person in Soviet Russia than in Tsarist Russia. Hell, the majority of Russians regret the fall of the Soviet Union to this day.

[Anonymous No.10737722]

>>10737712
m8 there was a fucking genocide. I don't understand how you guys can be so flippant about this while simultaneously holding the Holocaust as some ultimate evil

[Anonymous No.10737724]

>>10737301
the modern left is all about the blue haired transgenderds and women CEOs if you really wanted to avenge the peasants you'll be reading SIEGE by James Mason

[Anonymous No.10737753]

>>10737722
>let me tell you what you believe

Genocides have been the norm throughout history, it's rare to find a society that hasn't engaged in it at some point. Genocides are a given and I certainly don't think the Holocaust is any worse than any other. If anything it was rather humane and mechanical, more like a modern meat plant than chaotic raping and pillaging ways of old.

I'd rather die in a clean German shower than being hacked to death by a crowd of screaming negroes with rusty machetes in Rwanda.

I'm not saying the USSR was perfect but it was better than the crumbling shithole that Tsarist Russia was.

[Anonymous No.10737755]

>>10718990
fake and gay.

[Anonymous No.10737777]

>>10737753
Also, read up on on the first world war and how 'liberal' countries forced their 'sons' into trench warfare at the threat of execution.

By the time 1918 rolled around basically every major ruling elite deserved a violent revolution. If anything the Western powers all got away with genociding their own male populace.

There's no shortage of atrocities to go around, singling out commies or nazis is silly. If anything commies and nazis killed out of some kind of ideal, most traditional powers just did it out of cynical realpolitik.

[Anonymous No.10737788]

>>10737753
Tsarist Russia gave us some great literature.

[Anonymous No.10737802]

>>10737777
checked

[Anonymous No.10737813]

>>10737788
Yeah, I'm sure the poor peasants dying in the trenches thought their suffering was worth it because some bourgeois were writing some nice books safe in their palaces.

[Anonymous No.10737836]

>>10737788
Yeah, shitholes full of sad drunks tend to do that.

[Anonymous No.10737841]

>>10737836
Darn, forgot to include the photograph.

[Anonymous No.10737983]

>>10734320
Marxism will come like a thief in the night

[Anonymous No.10738183]

>>10721495
all ideological modes of thinking that emerge from within a civilized system are justified upon the projected collapse of that system; the common (and frequently unarticulated) notion is that the complexities of human culture obscure reality, and that the occult truth of their chosen dogma will be ultimately proven through real apocalyptic revelation-- the final unveiling of the Kodesh Hakodashim. Revolution, Race War, Restoration, Second Coming, Singularity, etc...

[Anonymous No.10738295]

>>10720230
nigger

[Anonymous No.10738713]

>>10719013
Care to expand upon this?

[Anonymous No.10738796]

>>10719652
Marginalized people are all miserable and suffering because of their own bad choices. They aren't good examples of what to learn from. Power structures are oppressive, but they're also a million other helpful things too. Peterson thinks hierarchy is fundamental to humanity, because it's rooted in our own biology and nothing can change that.

The postmodernist approach rejects hierarchy as a social construct. That's the difference. Peterson has fundamentally different assumptions about the world.