/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.10677914]

At every point in history there has been an intellectual capital of the world.

Obviously, in ancient times, this was Athens.

In the early 20th century, it was Vienna.

In the mid 20th century, it was Paris.

In the late 20th century, it was New York.

Where do you think the highest echelons of intellectual debates take place today?

[Anonymous No.10677927]

BUDAPEST

[Anonymous No.10677928]

>>10677914
For free? Unironically, /lit/. For pay/paper? Universities.

[Anonymous No.10677932]

The internet. There is now nowhere in the real world with a thriving intellectual current.

[Anonymous No.10677933]

>>10677914
>Where do you think the highest echelons of intellectual debates take place today?
Peterson threads

[Anonymous No.10677948]

>>10677914
Girls like these are my fetish

[Anonymous No.10677949]

salo-forum.com

[Anonymous No.10677950]

>>10677948
they're called dirty-foot heifers, anon.

[Anonymous No.10677953]

>>10677948
Same here my man. I consider myself an educated man with high-brow hobbies, but there's nothing I like more than slamming drunk slags on a Friday night.

[Anonymous No.10677967]

>>10677953
>Implying I could ever score with a girl like this...
>Implying I don't just masturbate to pictures of these types of girls.

[Anonymous No.10677976]

>>10677914
Bassano del Grappa

[Anonymous No.10677983]

>>10677914
London, richest city on earth, majority are foreigners, has most intellectual debates. Very close to Oxford/Cambridge.

[Anonymous No.10677986]

>>10677914
>Athens
What about Rome? You know, the centre of the largest empire in human history at the time?

[Anonymous No.10677990]

>>10677949
I would join salo, but my politics are too Marxist. They have a nice forum.

[Anonymous No.10677997]

>>10677986
The Romans were barbarians. All the culture came from the East.

[Anonymous No.10678001]

>>10677914
Baltimore, MD unironically. me + friends

[Anonymous No.10678006]

>>10678001
JHU is at the forefront of many academic fields, and the state of the city provides an existential imperitive towards higher meaning

[Anonymous No.10678028]

>>10677976
with a bridge like that bassano needs more engineers than intellectuals

[Anonymous No.10678031]

>>10677914
>At every point in history there has been an intellectual capital of the world.
No there hasn't.

[Anonymous No.10678044]

>>10677997
So... all the architecture, the advanced state of their Legion Army with uniformed armour and weaponry not to mention the ballistas, the philosophers, the social programs (including a sort of 'wheat welfare' which sadly ultimately helped to destroy the economy) and all the bridges that had been built throughout the empire along with bath houses including some in Londinium (modern day London), etc... but none of that provided any culture and instead was just barbarism compared to Greece?

[Anonymous No.10678048]

>>10677914
boards.4chan.org/lit/

[Anonymous No.10678051]

unironically new york city

[Anonymous No.10678059]

>>10678044
Yes they're barbarians, the Romans and Greeks are like Aristotles and Alexander.

[Anonymous No.10678096]

>>10678044
It was also several hundreds of years later

[Anonymous No.10678109]

Somewhere in canada
Toronto
Or whereever JBP teaches.

[Anonymous No.10678112]

>>10677948
Lucky for you they exist in droves

[Anonymous No.10678117]

>>10678044
The Romans at least during the Republic hated philosophy they thought that the Greeks aimed at destroying their traditional values by introducing philosophy. At some point they banned it and exiled all the Greek philosophers who were living in Rome.

Cato the Elder was struck with horror, along with many other Romans of the graver stamp, at the licence of the Bacchanalian mysteries, which he attributed to the influence of Greek manners; and he vehemently urged the dismissal of the philosophers Carneades, Diogenes, and Critolaus, who had come as ambassadors from Athens, on account of what he believed was the dangerous nature of their ideas. Also he had a horror of physicians, who were chiefly Greeks.

There is not a single philosophical school arising from Italy, all Roman citizens who were philosophers followed one of the Greek philosophical schools, like Marcus Aurelius was a stoic, so was Seneca the Younger. And even during the Roman period most of the philosophers were Greeks and most of the philosophical works of the Roman period were written in Alexandria, Greece or Asia Minor.

[Anonymous No.10678128]

>>10678051
Im not sure you know what an intellectual capital is.

[Anonymous No.10678135]

>>10677914
People meme by saying the internet is the intellectual capital of the world, but there's some truth to it. In the past, intellectuals congregated in particular places in order to easily communicate with each other, and with the internet this need has been eradicated more or less.

The most interesting conversations are probably happening in groupchats right now.

But really, if I had to pick a particular place, I'd say it was still new york, if only because nowhere has contested its claim to intellectual capital, no matter how much this reputation has sagged in recent years

>>10677990
iktf

[Anonymous No.10678159]

Berlin

Not even memeing.

[Anonymous No.10678217]

>>10678159
Berlin is a big tech center in Europe now. Along those lines I would say Silicon Valley or Seattle. That's where the hyper rich "decide your future" types live. Think bill gates, jeff bezos, and elon musk

[Anonymous No.10678478]

>>10677948
>a man of taste

[Anonymous No.10678497]

>>10678478
thank you anon... you are a god

[Anonymous No.10678510]

The internet blogosphere

[Anonymous No.10678534]

>>10678497

[Anonymous No.10678587]

I know most of you pseuds have probably never even heard about the place, but mark my words. For the last few years some very interesting conversations have taken place, and will continue to take place, between the worlds leading intellectuals in Bergen, Norway which will shape the cultural and political world for the next century.
In a hundred years time historians will look upon what is happening in Bergen right now as just as, if not more, influential in the shaping of the coming decades than 68-movement was in the shaping of the latter part of the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.10678610]

>>10678587
as soon as you niggers are out of oil your shit country will go downhill.

[Anonymous No.10678612]

>>10678587
Tell me more

[Anonymous No.10678626]

L.A?

[Anonymous No.10678637]

>>10677914
>Obviously, in ancient times, this was Athens.
laughing persians.png
laughing chinese.jpeg
laughing indians.gif

[Anonymous No.10678649]

>>10678637
laughing bait.oldmeme

[Anonymous No.10678657]

Were those capitals/significant cities recognized at the time of their prominence? I'm not talking Rome/London where they were just the biggest thing around and the 'centers of the world', but rather Vienna before WWI, where there were obviously other cities (like today), yet something significant was happening there.

[Anonymous No.10678658]

>>10677914
4chan.

[Anonymous No.10678664]

>>10678637
>saving the persians in png and chinese in jpg
lmao@urlife

[Anonymous No.10678671]

>>10677914
washington, london, bejng

[Anonymous No.10678704]

>>10677932
This. The internet decentralises information first and foremost. Looking for an intellectual capital in one place is just anachronistic.

[Anonymous No.10678723]

>>10678649
China has been the greatest civilisation in the world until 1820 or so. And around 2030 it's bound to be so again.

The whole phenomenon of the West is a quirky intermission in world history.

Eurocentrism is silly and unwarranted.

[Anonymous No.10678730]

>>10677948
>tfw getting sexually harassed by british slags on holiday

feels great to be objectified.

[Anonymous No.10678733]

>>10677932
I would specify it to certain websites, but I never saw it this way.

[Anonymous No.10678749]

>>10677914
New York? When was New York ever the “intellectual capital” of anywhere? Postwar, I’d say it was artistic capital, but Paris held pretty tightly to the intellectual capital until the 80s at least, and after that I’d just say there is no capital.

Maybe Ljubljana?

[Anonymous No.10678793]

>>10678749
>Maybe Ljubljana?
no

I dont get why people are mentioning Budapest, Ljubljana or Prague or any other eastern european city.
I live in a big EE city and am among those you would call intelectuals here (no, not hipsters, actually accomplished ppl within high levels of intellectual society - not politically yet tho) and no, there is simply no way anyone in EE is having any impact whatsoever in global scheme of things

You will have to look at Chinese cities, probably Washington (NY and LA are just hipsters, editors and random academics) maybe Boston and then, politically speaking, definitely Moscow.

Also probably Brusel or Berlin but Europeans are such a joke lately.
Dont mention random cities just because you feel like aesthethically it fits the definition in OPs question.

[Anonymous No.10678798]

>>10678723

[Anonymous No.10678803]

>>10678798
t. head in the sand american

[Anonymous No.10678821]

>>10678109
Do you seriously think one man makes an “intellectual hotspot”, I’m so fucking tired of you goddamn sycophants.

Toronto is an important intellectual centre, but not because some fucking psych prof started making YouTubes about how trans kids are destroying society.

If you look on Wikipedias list of important UofT psychologists Peterson doesn’t even make the list. And how many of you know of Endel Tulving, easily in the top 50 psychologists of all time, revolutionized how we understand memory and cognition.

[Anonymous No.10678824]

>>10678749
>Ljubljana
good one.

[Anonymous No.10678829]

>>10678824
how can you even say that

because of Zizek?

You are out of your mind and probably never been to Slovenia

[Anonymous No.10678838]

Ahhh anyone ever not visit /lit/ threads for weeks at a time and feel refreshed at the thought that while you plumb the depths and explore the heights of the loftiest and most profound human artistic endeavors you dumb homos are "still" here incessantly yammering with your useless memes and garbage mediocre tastes and ideas? Feels pretty good, man.

[Anonymous No.10678839]

>>10677914
Hay-on-Wye

[Anonymous No.10678843]

>>10677928
>>10677932
This. Today we read about the art fags in Paris. Tomorrow we'll read about the /litfags on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.10678866]

>>10678829

Also Alenka Zupančič, Mladen Dolar, Renata Salecl and Samo Tomšič

[Anonymous No.10678876]

>>10678733
Which ones?

[Anonymous No.10678886]

>>10678838
>delacroix fitting footservice into death scenes
good taste anon, back to reading the sticky

[Anonymous No.10679015]

>>10678803
I'm from the eastern med

[Anonymous No.10679050]

>>10678534
Where do you find videos like this?

[Anonymous No.10679079]

>>10677914
Real life is obsolesced by the digital. /lit/ should just meet up in vr chatrooms using their favorite book/writer as their model. Then we can shit post with a face but still never "our" face

[Anonymous No.10679086]

>>10677914
>smoking
>white but blacked
>dishonest with their hair
>not wearing proper shoes / walking in the dirt
>generic dress
>not vegan
>fat
>celulitis
>watch on the right wrist
>probably more than 25 years old and still being a "party girl"

[Anonymous No.10679142]

>>10679015
is that a euphemism for balkans?

[Anonymous No.10679148]

>>10679086
is claire vegan? :3

i always thought she was pure

[Anonymous No.10679216]

>>10679142
no its just the middle east

[Anonymous No.10679234]

>>10677914
mi diario desumente.

[Anonymous No.10679255]

>>10677914
Sylicon Valley

[Anonymous No.10679534]

>>10678723
The Internet is the greatest civilization in the Universe

[Anonymous No.10679748]

>>10679534
;)

[Anonymous No.10680056]

>>10678723
>thinks nation-state identity will matter in a globalized future with mutant superhumans who can choose phenotypic features at will
lmaoing @ your myopic worldview

[Anonymous No.10680275]

>>10677914
Has /lit/ produced a single noteworthy writer?

[Anonymous No.10680437]

>>10677914
Is a single one of those blonds a real blond?
God I wish I were born a female today, I could just dye my hair blond.

[Anonymous No.10680464]

>>10677948
They're emblematic of everything terrible about modernity but I still feel you

[Anonymous No.10680484]

>>10680056
>implying the Chinese won't remake themselves as six foot four Nordics

[Anonymous No.10680492]

>>10680056
Is that an actual sample of Nick Land's writing? Is he that incoherent?

[Anonymous No.10680499]

>>10680492

[Anonymous No.10680645]

new york city

[Anonymous No.10680674]

>>10677914
>(((In the late 20th century, it was New York.)))

[Anonymous No.10680684]

>>10677914
Chez moi, when I start my monologues.

[Anonymous No.10680694]

>>10679748
I remember when the Internet was purely western. It was glorious and most people are actually literate.

[Anonymous No.10680700]

Wherever Dan Schneider lives in

[Anonymous No.10680773]

>>10679079
would unironically be pretty neet, shame i don't have a VR set.

[Anonymous No.10680847]

>>10677914
The Internet, and more specifically, on Skeptic YouTube channel comment sections. This is the place where only the most rational and enlightened Kekistani soliders are victorious in the battle of ideas against the authorotarian cultural marxist SJW liberals. PRAISE KEKISTAN! :-)

[Anonymous No.10680858]

>>10678704
This exactly.

[Anonymous No.10681475]

>>10680694
Not just Western but smart enough to use those shitty computers. You basically had no dumb people online for a while.

On the other hand it’s fun seeing the third world come online though.

[Anonymous No.10681496]

>>10680700
kek

[Anonymous No.10681916]

Intellectual HQ has been and always will be... RRREEEEDDDDDITTTTTT!!!!!

[Anonymous No.10681938]

Wrong
Wrong
Wrong
Wrong
Kill.your.self. you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.10681950]

>>10678117
Oh look, a delusional westaboo.

[Anonymous No.10681958]

>>10677914
> thinking New York was an intellectual capital
wtf OP

[Anonymous No.10681962]

>>10677983
> thinking foreigners are capable of being intellectual
ha.

[Anonymous No.10681970]

>>10677914
Silicon Valley obviously.

[Anonymous No.10681983]

>>10678821
>flicks lights on and off

settle down now children

[Anonymous No.10682060]

>>10678135

this.

elon musk is probably shitposting behind a screen name somewhere, not fucking drinking overpriced coffee with some kids in scarves.

[Anonymous No.10682080]

I begrudgingly have to say it's the internet. There's no real intellectual discussion taking place these days. Everyone is just engaged in institutionalist warfare with each other, so instead of trying to argue with other ideas, they try to get the guys they disagree with fired. If I had to name a place, it would probably be New York City or Washington D.C.
>>10677986
Rome had some really impressive people, and was certainly one of the most advanced cities on the planet. However, Rome copied a lot of its culture from Greece, so naturally Greece was able to maintain its existing culture, and develop even further. It's similar to in economics where it's easier for a poor country to advance because they can just copy technology from the rich ones; whereas a rich country needs to invest a lot into developing new ideas. Greece never really needed to "play catch-up," so it was able to maintain its incredible intellectual sphere. It was actually a very common practice for the Roman aristocracy to send their children to study Greek and Philosophy in Greece.

[Anonymous No.10682135]

>>10677914
Twitter.

[Anonymous No.10682156]

.com/realDonaldTrump

[Anonymous No.10682170]

>>10682060
>implying Elon Musk is of any intellectual

trust me, I'm a basement dwelling neet with no accomplishments

[Anonymous No.10682186]

>>10678821

Wow he's not on Kikepedia's list of approved good goys, the fucking horror.

[Anonymous No.10682191]

>>10682135
this. /thread

[Anonymous No.10682199]

>>10680674
>>(((In the late 20th century, it was New York.)))
>(((In the early 20th century, it was Vienna.)))

[Anonymous No.10682209]

>>10680275
If it did, they wouldn't admit it. The best future writer will know about /lit/, but will probably only have seen it once in a while

[Anonymous No.10682237]

parris island sc

[Anonymous No.10682241]

>>10680700
Subtle.

[Anonymous No.10682243]

We need to make a 4chan colony in Latvia and let everyone hash it out there

[Anonymous No.10682656]

>>10677914
some chinese city with >10,000,000 people that three decades ago didn't exist.

[Anonymous No.10682663]

>>10677914

Can we please un-fag this thread?

3 > > 4 > 5 > 1 > 2 (cankles)

[Anonymous No.10682669]

>>10677914
/b/ obviously, the peak of human achievement, high culture and repository of all knowledge.

[Anonymous No.10682681]

>>10682656
I'd say the censorship and more than that - the self censorship really hamstring the meme potential of chinese bantz

[Anonymous No.10682687]

>>10678821

I'm gonna throw in for Toronto too.

Here's why: "liberals" here are not just lefty drones (like california or new york) but actual classical liberals that like free markets, free speech, and fewer rules (drugs, etc). Many, many people like that here, hence JBP's popularity.

Toronto will TROUNCE Trudeau in next election now that we know what he is. Screencap this for truth.

[Anonymous No.10682714]

>>10682663
2 is the most attractive even with her cankles. 1 is fat and the other three are slight variations of the same whore. also 3 has no chin and 5 smokes and seems to have worn socks with heels.

[Anonymous No.10682719]

>>10682663
1 is titqueen, 4 has best physiognomy, 2 and 4 look like they fuck the best, 5 and 3 look like they're just awful

[Anonymous No.10682734]

>>10682714

Trust me, I hear what's you're saying, and 2 was going to be higher on my list too, but look at those calves. How could you run your hands along those and feel sexually attracted? Even under her black stockings I can tell that 1 has better legs. 2 also has a big block head.

[Anonymous No.10682740]

>>10682714
>5 smokes

You can remove that as a variable. Trust me, those bitches all smoke. Just so happens half of them are eating.

[Anonymous No.10682752]

3 is by far the most gorgeous

[Anonymous No.10682760]

>>10682752

Yeah, no kidding. That's an objective reality. Look at those legs, and her face is the only non-mong among them.

[Anonymous No.10682780]

>>10677914
The Internet, and even then it's mainly places like 4chin because it has 0 accountablitiy - therefore everything has to stand on its merits

Universities and the like are now centre of groupthink and censorship - how ironic

[Anonymous No.10684033]

>>10678610

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_production_from_renewable_sources

[Anonymous No.10684190]

>>10678610

https://www.investopedia.com/news/5-largest-sovereign-wealth-funds/

[Anonymous No.10684658]

>>10677986
>largest empire in human history
t. 70 IQ

[Anonymous No.10684674]

>>10677914
You're an idiot. We only know of Athen's because the history survived. For all we know there could have been even greater societies. Fuckin' skip forward and look at the Mayans. They were math geniuses. But the west didn't know about them so who cares, right?

[Anonymous No.10684677]

>>10677914
>the intellectual capital of the ancient world was Athens
Of the ancient Western* world. Don't mean to be contrarian, just pointing out that there's another half of the world, ya know.

>>10680464
On the other side of the coin, you've got angry young men developing misanthropic disorders on anonymous forums. Fits perfectly.

[Anonymous No.10685499]

Milwaukee

[Anonymous No.10685558]

If we're talking about people who are fighting on the frontier of intellectual and philosophical thought, and who are the most connected nodes in the most powerful networks then Sillicon Valley.

If we're talking purely cultural trend setting in things like fashion music and even behaviour, then Berlin.

[Anonymous No.10685630]

>>10678821
>>10678109

Not Toronto per se, but Etobicoke.

[Anonymous No.10686392]

>>10685630

lol, Royal York and Lakeshore checking in

[Anonymous No.10686421]

Since I've recently moved to Toronto I'm gonna go ahead and say Brampton or at least Rexdale

[Anonymous No.10688129]

>>10684677
>On the other side of the coin, you've got angry young men developing misanthropic disorders on anonymous forums. Fits perfectly.
You're not wrong

[Anonymous No.10688303]

>>10680056
>neo-China arrive from the future
about but what?

[Anonymous No.10688415]

Seriously, we all know /lit/ is not harboring the Frontier of philosophic/artistic proliferry--so where is? In America I've heard Providence is a good, fairly cheap place that is burgeoning. Obviously Austin, Portland and Seattle are pretty well established art meccas at this point, not to mention Atlantis growing importance In culture. Anywhere I'm missing? New York City?

[Anonymous No.10688428]

>>10678723
>greatest civilization in the world until 1820
>didn't know earth was round until the 1700's

[Anonymous No.10688441]

>>10688415
location means nothing, speed has collapsed all boundaries, homogenize simulated realities inside of concrete matrices have destroyed culture

there is simply no center of genius anymore at all, for civilization it would be San Fran, Silicon Valley, Hong Kong, NY, London, Paris but they don't produce great art just more tools top shred the human over soul

[Anonymous No.10688461]

>>10678510
Which ones?

[Anonymous No.10688476]

>intellectual capital
>capital
>marketplace of ideas
>market
>personal brand
>branding

We think when we have entered dreams at night, that finally we are free for a moment from the chains of ideology, and yet still we are fully immersed in ideology then as well.

[Anonymous No.10688482]

>>10688415
Providence is hell

[Anonymous No.10688487]

>>10688441
But environment matters. If one is surrounded by fellowly serious inquierers, instead of just explaining patricia to plebs, then they will have the opportunity to maximize their abilities.

[Anonymous No.10688499]

>>10688487
As someone decidedly not in a cultural center, this is very true

[Anonymous No.10688500]

>>10688482
How so? I currently live in California, and have romanticized the shit out of it. I want to be near New York City, but I don't think I could handle living there

[Anonymous No.10688508]

>>10677914
r/The_Donald

[Anonymous No.10688515]

>>10688500
As much as people on here hate on California, it counts for these purposes. There's a lot going on in places like LA. I used to live there and I miss it.

[Anonymous No.10688530]

>>10688515
I like LA, but it's expensive af man. I'm getting priced out. I Need to find a cozy community of artists/writers whom I can create alongside, and with--to some degree. I currently only have one writing friend and he's a recluse, so I'm just left thirsting, hence: /lit/

[Anonymous No.10689362]

>>10677914
>In the late 20th century, it was New York.

Are you serious?

[Anonymous No.10689373]

>>10677927
obviously.

[Anonymous No.10689474]

>>10677933
Kek

[Anonymous No.10689480]

>>10678028
shut up it's a beautiful bridge

[Anonymous No.10689496]

L O N D O N
O
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D
O
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[Anonymous No.10689541]

>>10677948

that means you don't deserve anything better

[Anonymous No.10689544]

>>10689541
I don't want anything better

[Anonymous No.10689553]

>>10689541
I want to be deeply unhappy with a fuck rag every night whilst other girls who are more compatible are shocked that I am in a relationship with a chav

[Anonymous No.10689562]

>>10677914
Pyongyang

[Anonymous No.10689578]

>>10689496
Unironically read most of The Book of Disquiet sitting in a bench right there in Heron Quays.

[Anonymous No.10689580]

>>10689496
Paki filled shithole swarming with pseuds

[Anonymous No.10689607]

>>10689578
the docklands can be a pretty chill area especially on weekends

[Anonymous No.10689623]

Wherever I happen to be standing at the time is that time's intellectual capital of the world.

[Anonymous No.10690132]

Singapore
Switzerland (Lausanne, Geneva Area)

[Anonymous No.10690470]

>>10677932
>internet
>highest echelons of intellectual debates

[Anonymous No.10690474]

>>10677932
Well said

[Anonymous No.10690553]

>>10678001
and thats where contrapoints! lives!

[Anonymous No.10690585]

>>10688515
>>10688530
562 anon here, I too am a recluse getting priced out. I live with the last of my family and they are dying. When I'm not doing hard labor to get by I'm reading at Dennys or Farmer Boys all night so I can bus home in the morning after band practice in dtla. Overall i probably never want to leave though, I've never been anywhere with more cultural variations and opportunities in US.

[Anonymous No.10690604]

>>10677914
>At every point in history there has been an intellectual capital of the world.
This is wrong and the rest of your post proves that.

[Anonymous No.10690610]

>>10678723
Nice try qingziao

[Anonymous No.10691032]

>>10677914
Berkeley

[Anonymous No.10691038]

>>10691032
Berkeley is a nightmare for /lit/izens

[Anonymous No.10691053]

>>10691038
which on is /lit/?

[Anonymous No.10691077]

Where is

LONDON
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[Anonymous No.10691089]

>>10691053
The neon hoodie is textbook /lit/: fat, bad fashion and larping as christian. I lived there for over a year and the daily protests are far more annoying than the pleasure I got from cops dealing with them.

[Anonymous No.10691309]

Etobicoke, for sure.

[Anonymous No.10691374]

>>10691089
bingo.

yeah, Berkeley (and all of Bay Area) is a dump

[Anonymous No.10692018]

Edinburgh, Melbourne, Iowa City, Dublin, Reykjavik, Norwich, Krakow, Heidelberg, Dunedin, Granada, Prague, Baghdad, Barcelona, Ljubljana, Lviv, Monetevideo, Nottingham, Obidos, Tartu, Ulyanovsk, Bucheon, Durban, Lillehammer, Manchester, Milano, Quebec City, Seattle or Utrecht.

[Anonymous No.10692900]

>>10689607
Just make sure you wear your acid-proof mask my friend! I'd rather be by the three graces

[Anonymous No.10692907]

>>10692018
Have you ever been to Manchester?