/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.10657713]

Which rapper is the most /lit/?

[Anonymous No.10657717]

Poets are what you're looking for

[Anonymous No.10657722]

[Anonymous No.10657723]

There is no such thing as /lit/ rap and there is hardly such a thing as /lit/ music at all

[Anonymous No.10657727]

Milo.

[Anonymous No.10657734]

>>10657717
Rap is musical poetry

[Anonymous No.10657738]

>>10657723
>there is hardly such a thing as /lit/ music at all

>I have only been exposed to garbage so that is all there exists

[Anonymous No.10657745]

>>10657723
t. pseud

[Anonymous No.10657753]

>>10657713
oh my god i didn't even know about MF Doom till like a year ago and i had a doom mask from when i was a kid. it was called a gladiator mask i think

[Anonymous No.10657761]

The only one

[Anonymous No.10657777]

>>10657738
If you think Wagner is anything but garbage you haven't listened to much. Who next, Liszt?

[Anonymous No.10657787]

>>10657723
Yes. Maybe because music is essentially not /lit/erature, you moron

[Anonymous No.10657795]

>>10657734
kek

[Anonymous No.10657797]

>>10657734

[Anonymous No.10657800]

>>10657787
Why call me a moron if you agree with me?

[Anonymous No.10657804]

>>10657713
In the sense that he is a great Romantic Hero of our time.

[Anonymous No.10657821]

lil ugly mane

[Anonymous No.10657829]

milo seconded
https://miloraps.bandcamp.com/

[Anonymous No.10657830]

>>10657800
Because I agree with you from a superior point of view and that makes me smarter than you.

[Anonymous No.10657831]

>>10657821
Do you think he reads?

[Anonymous No.10657833]

>>10657713
Ye

[Anonymous No.10657835]

>>10657734
get aids

[Matt No.10657844]

Tyler The Creator he hints that hes gay in all the songs in Flowerboy

[Anonymous No.10657845]

>>10657761
unironically this, his dad was a legit poet

[Matt No.10657846]

I'm gay, too

[Matt No.10657857]

>>10657846
Damn i really need to stop being good with my grammar its gone up hilll!

[Anonymous No.10657871]

>cheetos, freetos, dorritos
fuck backpacker shit, if i wanted poetry id just pick oxford book of english verse

[Anonymous No.10657884]

Lil Pump

[Anonymous No.10657894]

>>10657713
Young Thug, obviously.

[Anonymous No.10657907]

>>10657871
Hey you, don't touch the mic like it's AIDS on it
It's like the end to the means
Fucked type of message that sends to the fiends
That's why he brings his own needles
And get more cheese than Doritos, Cheetos or Fritos
Slip like Freudian
Your first and last step to playing yourself like accordion

[Anonymous No.10658049]

>>10657831
he's a fan of brian gyson

[Anonymous No.10658062]

Iced Cube.

[Anonymous No.10658071]

>>10657734
Rhythm And Poetry. I think rap successfully does what slam poetry fails to do. It captivates an audience with raw emotion, and is meant to move them then and there even though it can also do the same through recordings. Plebs who are too quick to focus on pop music have either no taste, or are bitter haters who wouldn't be able to perform in front of an audience themselves.

[Anonymous No.10658108]

>>10657723
rap shits on poetry any day. poetry is cringeworthy pretentious trash and even the ones i liked would be infinitely improved by being put to music.

[Anonymous No.10658116]

>>10658108
lazy bait

[Anonymous No.10658152]

>>10658116
It's unironically true though.

[Anonymous No.10658154]

>>10658152
Seconded.

[Anonymous No.10658193]

>>10657713
FOSTER IFFY UH
HANG HIMSELF STIFFY UH

[Anonymous No.10658223]

[Anonymous No.10658234]

>>10657713
My cousin hit me up and said he had to post bail again
'Cause my brother back in jail again
Back in that slave ship 'cause he tried to sell again
And all that's going through my mind is "How the fuck am I failing him?"

These youngins want all of the spoil
but none of the toil, 'got me climbing the walls
Too good to press olives
But he'll be the first squeaky wheel asking for oil
I been at it for ten years, what the fuck is you on?
'Got me frustrated like: "What the fuck is you doing?"
He come to me for answers but I don't know what to tell him
Part bad parenting, part youthful rebellion
He wanna buy a dream but I don't know what to sell him
They say the streets turn niggas into sinners
But them jail cells be turning niggas into dinner
So the sing in the summer, be home by the winter
Interrogation rooms is turning niggas into tenors/tenners
And he's no singer, but him on that block?
He's got that perfect pitch
I just want him to understand that you work for this
You can win or you lose, but it's either me or the streets
And brother, you gotta choose

I got a room and a microphone and all this time
I just sat by the window and looked inside
Didn't like what I found, but you win or you lose:
Make a living or have a life?, I guess that I gotta choose

Bonus shoutout to Blu & Exile "Show me the Good Life," verses two and three are street gospel.

[Anonymous No.10658249]

>>10658234
patrician taste
phonte is that nigga

[Anonymous No.10658257]

>>10658234
lmao don't tell me you thought that was good.... now that is funny, robbed of the vocal component you see just how bad it is

[Anonymous No.10658259]

Aesop Rock, Milo, Busdriver, Open Mike Eagle

[Anonymous No.10658286]

>>10657713
immortal tech

[Anonymous No.10658315]

>>10658071
rap is not an acronym. it's a word that's been around a lot longer than hip hop music.

[Anonymous No.10658335]

>>10658257
It's okay if you can't hear the flow, Phonte's flow doesn't actually transcribe on paper.
>actually hating the based negro trying to pick his people up out of thug culture

[Anonymous No.10658343]

>>10658257

>robbed of the component that is crucial for it to be experienced in its intended form, its funny
video games and movies are hilarious when the power isn't connected to the screen, LOL

[Anonymous No.10658390]

>>10658259
Very nice

[Anonymous No.10658435]

>>10657753
That's because the mask he uses is a replica of one from the movie Gladiator. If you watch it you can see Russell Crowe wear it in one of the big fight scenes.
Supposedly before doom settled on that mask he covered his face with other shit, sometimes just a stocking.

[Anonymous No.10658457]

>>10658259
>>10657727
>>10657829


Milo's someone I wouldn't hesitate to call pretentious. Read through his lyrics, they don't ever mean anything; they're just cute wordplay and references to far more interesting things than his music could hope to be.

>"I love that question. I feel like a man out of time? Yes, 'cause to me it's very Nietzschean. That's what Nietzsche thought of himself: the untimely man. That's what I really believe I am. I'm not from this time. It takes a toll on me, but I just keep doing my thing."

Actual good rappers:
>Open Mike Eagle
>SB The Moor
>Mick Jenkins
>Isaiah Rashad
>Lil Ugly Mane
>Danny Brown
>JID

Kendrick Lamar is unironically the best of our era, not even a conversation desu.

[Anonymous No.10658462]

this guy

[Anonymous No.10658472]

>>10658457
I used to listen to rap, so I actually know how awful it is and how bad all those artists are
Honestly fuck off my board- music is such a great medium and that is simply shit taste, it's the YA of music and some of you idiots ITT out yourself like there's even a conversation to be had about it

[Anonymous No.10658473]

>>10657713
Ghostface killah's rhymes are always on point, but the contents are not very literary.

Immortal technique is pretty good but his rhymes fail because he is an ideologue.

[Anonymous No.10658479]

>>10658315
I dig your rap man but the acronym fits.

[Anonymous No.10658481]

>>10658193
underrated

[Anonymous No.10658482]

>>10658472
>TIPS

[Anonymous No.10658488]

>>10657713
https://youtu.be/ZIm2CR9i-jA
https://youtu.be/9XT_57hitNM
https://youtu.be/Oga5nZ1HlRY
Master of the concept album:
https://youtu.be/5xeSLUb4uMc
My favourite concept album (list obviously isn't in order):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr1-WD-mUOI&index=15&list=PLZelQNsAW_GTIj-rPKW0dVkOydwA2h_cu
Celph Titled is probably the most skilled lyricist though. Probably the best rap drama I've heard:
https://youtu.be/QYZiIjT_xjU

[Anonymous No.10658498]

>>10658472
>m'lady

[Anonymous No.10658503]

>>10658488
>masta ace
nice. honestly, a lot of hip hop concept projects are pretty good. del the funkee homosapien is up there too.

[Anonymous No.10658514]

Rap is okay but I feel like people exaggerate about it for some reason. J Dilla was certainly one of the best producers in hip-hop, for instance, but when people try to act like he was some sort of Mozart-level genius it gets a bit silly. I like pop music, but come on.

[Anonymous No.10658520]

>>10658457
>>10658259 (me)

Completely agree that Milo is pretentious haha, still like his music though. The question was regarding rappers that were /lit/ which I interpretation to be the most well read lyricists not the best. I definitely agree that all those rappers you listed are good (Except for SB The Moor which I have not yet heard) but a large proportion of them I doubt would read much.
Mick Jenkins I know has a lot of knowledge on the Bible though from what I saw in his freestyles.
Open Mike Eagle I would assume be the only one that reads extensively from that list.
Also finally, despite Milo being pretentious one can clearly see that he is well read.

[Anonymous No.10658549]

Gucci Mane
Danny Brown

[Anonymous No.10658592]

twenty one twenty one twenty one twenty one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fXmauK2TOg

[Anonymous No.10658883]

Move over plebs.

[Anonymous No.10658904]

>>10658482
>>10658498
I am better than you

[Anonymous No.10658913]

>>10657713

[Anonymous No.10658927]

>>10658457
Milo brags about his smarts like other rappers brag about their wealth and women. Of course he's pretentious. But, he never claims his songs are some philodophical treatise. He barely sustains themes over a verse. In his own words, he's 'caught cataloging my at-home dieties'.

[Anonymous No.10659210]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahV4L1bmCTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y4_2R_g6XE

/thread

[Anonymous No.10659229]

>>10657727
>hey mom I made a reference to smart people stuff am I smart now?!!?

[Anonymous No.10659248]

MC Ride

[Anonymous No.10659251]

>>10658927
I like how when some rapper is called out for empty name-dropping the response is always something along the lines of "it's not like he's actually trying or anything" as if that makes it any better

[Anonymous No.10659279]

Aesop Rock
Here's the first verse of Daylight
Put one up for Shackle Me Not, clean logic procreation
I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent
While the triple sixers' lassos keep angels roped in the basement
I walk the block with a halo on a stick, poking your patience
Y'all catch a thirty second flash visual
Dirty cooperative med platoon
Bloom, head-trip split ridiculous
Fathom the splicing of first generation fuck-up
With trickle-down anti-hero smack (Kraken!)
I pace my game for zero hour completion cretin, splash
Duke of early retirement picket dream
American Nightmare hogging the screen
I'll hold the door open so you can stumble in
If you'd stop following me around the jungle gym
Now it's honor, and I spell it with the 'H' I stole from heritage
Merit crutched on the wretched refuse
From my teeming resonance
I promise, tempest tossed breed with a bleeding conscience
See, the creed accents responsive
But my spores divorced the wattage
And I'm sleeping now — wow! — yeah, the settlers laugh
You won't be laughing when your covered wagons crash
You won't be laughing when the buzzards drag your brother's flags to rags
You won't be laughing when your front lawn is spangled with epitaphs (You won't be laughing!)
Then I'll hang my boots to rest when I'm impressed
So I triple knot 'em and forgot 'em
His origami dream is beautiful
But man, those wings will never leave the ground
Without a feather and a lottery ticket, now settle down

[Anonymous No.10659306]

>>10658249
I love Sunny

[Anonymous No.10659309]

Busdriver, Ka

[Anonymous No.10659331]

>>10659279
Awful
You idiots just don't read poetry and have absolutey no frame of reference, it's fucking embarassing for a literature board

[Anonymous No.10659334]

>>10659279
>Aesop Rock
used to love the dude but
like
reading over this again
it's so much vapor or
just
overwrought imagery jumbled together
clumsy meter
ponderous but always taken too fast
rickety rickshaw, top heavy, hurling down a bhutanese dirtway
so meh meh meh

[Anonymous No.10659418]

>>10658462
No senpai, Stefan is /x/'s rapper. Don't give him to /lit/, they'll drag him down with them.

[Anonymous No.10659441]

>>10657821
This
>That second verse of Collapse and Appear
>Haze of Interference
>Uneven Compromise
/lit/ as fuck

[Anonymous No.10659536]

>>10657713
What on earth are any of you talking about
>Del
>Busdriver
>MF Doom

Yes, Aesop rhymes many interesting words, but the sacrifice is that it's completely abstract

[Anonymous No.10659556]

>>10657795
>>10657797
>>10657835
Runaway is better than nearly all poetry written after the Second World War

[Anonymous No.10659569]

>>10659556
(you)

[Anonymous No.10659580]

>>10659569
if only i could loose the shackles of my mind and live in the vibrant plebness encapsulating every waking moment of your life

[Anonymous No.10659589]

>>10657723
>there is hardly such a thing as literature music at all
gee whizz who could've known.

[Anonymous No.10659647]

Here is a chart with the most /lit/ rappers from DMX to Aesop rock.
https://pudding.cool/2017/02/vocabulary/

[Anonymous No.10659658]

this is up there

[Anonymous No.10659663]

>>10659647
Wow would you look at that, Wu Tang clan and E-40 better than Shakespeare
Dead white guys btfo

[Anonymous No.10659682]

>>10659663
where would DFW be?

[Anonymous No.10659689]

>>10657713
The most unsufferable aspect of rap, hip hop, and all that shit, isn't the music or the way they talk, it's the people who go "no, mate, there is actually depth to this, listen this". And the I listen to it, and the dept of the lyrics is basically the same as that of an essay written by a 10th grader.
I understand a good chunk of american whites are really self hating for several reasons, but can you stop pretending this shit is in any way good from a literary standpoint? Can you just say "yes, I only listen to this because I like the sound of it"?

[Anonymous No.10659712]

>>10659689
Please point me to music with "depth"

[Anonymous No.10659718]

>>10659536
>>10659689
Go listen to Deltron 3030 you pleb. Just kidding, I disagree, but I respect you anon. The problem is that unless you get more immersed in the culture, it's going to be hard to see the subtleties in terms of overarching themes/concepts as well as what is criticism, parody, or using your persona to play a character rather than yourself (even if that character is an amplification of yourself).

[Anonymous No.10659722]

The most insufferable aspect of rock,metal, and all that shit, isn't the music or the way they talk, it's the people who go "no, mate, there is actually depth to this, listen this". And the I listen to it, and the dept of the lyrics is basically the same as that of an essay written by a 10th grader.

[Anonymous No.10659725]

>>10659663
>Literary elites love to rep Shakespeare’s vocabulary: across his entire corpus (...)mixtapes if the artist was just short of the 35,000 words. Quite a few rappers don’t have enough official material to be included (e.g., Biggie, Kendrick Lamar). As a benchmark, I included data points for Shakespeare and Herman Melville, using the same approach (35,000 words across several plays for Shakespeare, first 35,000 of Moby Dick). I used a research methodology called token analysis to determine each artist’s vocabulary. Each word is counted once, so pimps, pimp, pimping, and pimpin are four unique words. Hip hop is full of slang that is hard to transcribe (e.g., shorty vs. shawty), compound words (e.g., king shit),
Hmmmm

[Anonymous No.10659730]

>>10659712
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bsUbmCoMP1Y

[Anonymous No.10659732]

>>10658462
Unironically this, everything else in this thread is middlebrow. Ride is the avant garde of hip hop vocals.

[Anonymous No.10659736]

>>10659689
>>10659718
I don't know if Deltron is what you're looking for, but I really enjoy it because I feel like it's a worthy addition to afrofuturism which you can at least argue is /lit/

[Anonymous No.10659740]

>>10659718
You're child, or atleast have the ostensible sensibility of one. It's embarassing

[Anonymous No.10659744]

>>10659730
At least if you're gonna pretend to be someone with taste link something good.

[Anonymous No.10659750]

>>10659722
>>10659689
Both of these are true you stupid fuck, rock and hip hop are awful.

[Anonymous No.10659758]

>>10659718
>>10659740
Okie well how do you look at hip hop? I make no claims to superiority here, it's just that when I was more of an insider looking in, I feel like some of these were very lost on me.

[Anonymous No.10659760]

>>10659730
How does this have depth? It's literally just the Bible set to music (and not a good translation of the bible either). The music is nice sure, but you already said that music can't be evaluated in "depth".

[Anonymous No.10659764]

>>10659750
but that's like saying movies are awful

[Anonymous No.10659765]

>>10659744
That is the highest form of art; the audioembodiement of the spirit. I know better than you so enough of the talk, this isn't a matter of personal preference

[Anonymous No.10659766]

>there is no such thing as /lit/ rap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXNDTLVUmto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6m1Zn1ld-g

punks

[Anonymous No.10659768]

>>10659722
Anon, I understand you're very butthurt from my post but I don't disagree, rock and metal aren't deep at all.
Also, who the fuck says they are? High school kids?

[Anonymous No.10659769]

>>10659760
>How does this have depth? It's literally just the Bible set to music

[Anonymous No.10659770]

>>10659750
You tell white brother
>The fact that so many books still name the Beatles as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art.

[Anonymous No.10659773]

>>10659769
So if I rap the Bible, it now has depth? Think about what you are saying.

[Anonymous No.10659774]

>>10659764
Medium isn't the same as genre, obviously, but by this point I don't expect you to know better

[Anonymous No.10659778]

>>10659773
Think about what a full symphony and choir orchestrated together is

[Anonymous No.10659782]

>>10659769
>The embodiment of the spirit
It has the depth of a Ludovico Einaudi piece.
>I know better than you
You don't.
>this isn't a matter of personal preference
Exactly.
>>10659769
Nice self portrait.

[Anonymous No.10659787]

>>10659782
>i know you are but what am i

[Anonymous No.10659791]

>>10659778
Oops and that was actually a double choir and symphony

[Anonymous No.10659801]

>>10659787
It's not my fault if you can't even pretend to have good taste. Now fuck off and go listen to a movie soundtrack or something, pseud.

[Anonymous No.10659809]

>>10659801
>yfw you associate symphonic music with movie soundtracks because you have absolutely no familiarity with musical theory, history or performance outside of American blockbusters

[Anonymous No.10659818]

>>10659580
Your original statement is correct if i choose to believe that you forgot to put Love after Runaway.

[Anonymous No.10659830]

>>10658071
The only reason why rap isn't as cringy as slam poetry is a) there is music there to distract you and b) rappers tend to be cool while people who do slam poetry are the kind of people who look like they're be bullycided in one year tops.
If you remove the music and make pasty white fat woman rap the same lyrics, you'll realize how cringy it is.

[Anonymous No.10659834]

>>10659809
>yfw you think that symphonic music is inherently good or deep because of your pseudish understanding of classical music
>yfw you think that that piece is anything more than pompous garbage while unironically writing "autoembodiment of the spirit" in a rap thread on a japanese cartoon forum

[Anonymous No.10659843]

>>10659834
Not the guy you were talking to, but what about this anon? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7FxVSDLonY

[Anonymous No.10659845]

>>10659830
Gotta disagree on both points here.

examples to the contrary would be Watsky, mfdoom, and unironically lil dicky (im sorry)

>inb4 watsky is a pasty white woman

[Anonymous No.10659851]

>>10659843
I don't listen to rap.

[Anonymous No.10659856]

>>10659834
Ah this projection is always funny, someone so removed from musical context and theory they literally can't conceive of an appreciation for classical music. This is like the /lit/lets who assume any appreciation of Shakespeare or Joyce (or actual poetry for that matter) to be feigned status signaling because they cannot even imagine being able to enjoy it. How do you people get here?

[Anonymous No.10659857]

>danny brown
>jpegmafia
>open mike eagle
>earl
>brockhampton
>kendrick
>unironically deathgrips

these are the only good rappers

[Anonymous No.10659858]

>>10657722
underrated post, and one of the only bearable rap albums in existence

[Anonymous No.10659859]

>>10659845
I'm not saying there aren't people like that in rap (there are, and they're cringy as fuck), I'm saying that if rap was centered around them instead of "cool black people", its cringiness would be readily apparent to nearly everyone, like it's the case for slam poetry.

[Anonymous No.10659860]

>>10659834
Also,
>Alfayev mass
>pompous garbage
You absolute moron, can't even pin down the faults right, really displays your complete lack of knowledge when it comes to classical styles and genre

[Anonymous No.10659861]

>>10659856
I've probably listened more classical music that you ever will, retard. You're the one projecting, brainlet. Stop having shit taste and fuck off.

[Anonymous No.10659863]

>>10659834
>pompous garbage
>the pleb cries out in pain as he strikes you

[Anonymous No.10659869]

>>10659857
You have incredibly shit taste. I bet you post on /mu/.

[Anonymous No.10659872]

>>10659861
Oh but it has been abundantly you haven't, and have begun discarding truth just to get back some kind of vague, desperate (you). I think we're done

[Anonymous No.10659879]

>>10659859
I suppose its just a matter of what you find cringy then. For me presentation is the difference between slam poetrys apparent cringe and a slam poets rap songs lack of cringe. I rarely find peoples ideals and thoughts to be cringe worthy, just the way they cram them down your throat with the tact of an elephant on viagra in a preschool.

[Anonymous No.10659880]

>>10659869
Considering how hard some people are defending rap on here, this thread is definitely full of /mu/rons.

[Anonymous No.10659886]

>>10659879
>I rarely find peoples ideals and thoughts to be cringe worthy, just the way they cram them down your throat with the tact of an elephant on viagra in a preschool
You mean like this?
>Some go from pitching religion to sipping on kombucha. Politicians switching positions like it’s the Kama Sutra

[Anonymous No.10659887]

>>10659872
>the pseud can't handle the truth
You're the autoembodiment of stupidity, a dialectical union between the lack of a brain and a severe dunning kruger.

[Anonymous No.10659888]

>>10659880
KEEP IT 300
LIKE THE ROMANS

[Anonymous No.10659900]

>>10659887
>dialectical union
That's called sublation Hegelianlet

[Anonymous No.10659902]

itt: the other side of the coin of stem robots who also don’t understand music

[Anonymous No.10659903]

>>10659888
The most amazing thing about that is how desperately the fans have been trying to find theories to explain that glaring mistake. Like, he couldn't possibly be just a narcissistic moron. Nope, deeeeeeep theories.

[Anonymous No.10659911]

>>10659900
I am talking about the dialectical union as in Gentile, the pure Act of thinking thought, idealistlet (in this case, the pure Act of a retard being retarded).

[Anonymous No.10659912]

>>10659886
Its so hard to argue opinions i dont know how people do it.

His delivery was crisp, i have no problem with this line.

[Anonymous No.10659925]

>>10659732
Have you heard yourself, dude?
Take stock every once in a while will you?

[Anonymous No.10659926]

>>10659912
>i have no problem with this line
If you don't find that line cringy, I doubt you can find anything cringy. That line is something I would expect from that kid in high school who thinks his got politics figured out.

[Anonymous No.10659927]

>>10659843
>>10659851
But it's a good symphony anon...

[Anonymous No.10659944]

>>10659886
This is a joke right?

[Anonymous No.10659955]

I'm caught up in this hell called life
A poltergeist in the dark tunnel yearning for the light
I'm trapped confined in the prison of space and time
Traveling through the narrow maze of my mind

[Anonymous No.10659956]

>>10659944
No, that is an actual line that supposedly is not extremely in your face.

[Anonymous No.10659960]

>>10659926
>I doubt you can find anything cringy
I unironically consider this to be a positive thing, i am capable of recognizing the frankly absurd levels of fucking what that watsky displays on a regular basis but my hearing it doesnt result in a physiological reaction. I can enjoy things, whats wrong with that?

Just for the (you) though, there are lyrics from rappers that when taken out of context and wholly removed from the medium for which it was constructed will not become cringy. There are also things from other more highly respected mediums that when removed and presented in a way that doesnt play to their strengths, become cringe.

[Anonymous No.10659962]

>>10659926
What's your idea of a good line then fuckface?

[Anonymous No.10659977]

>>10659955
The chainless winds still come and ever came
To drink their odours, and their mighty swinging
To hear—an old and solemn harmony;
Thine earthly rainbows stretched across the sweep
Of the aethereal waterfall, whose veil
Robes some unsculptured image; the strange sleep
Some say that gleams of a remoter world
Visit the soul in sleep, that death is slumber,
And that its shapes the busy thoughts outnumber
Of those who wake and live.—I look on high;
Has some unknown omnipotence unfurled
The veil of life and death? or do I lie
In dream, and does the mightier world of sleep
Spread far around and inaccessibly
Its circles. For the very spirit fails,
Driven like a homeless cloud from steep to steep
That vanishes among the viewless gales

Random excerpt from a 25yr old Shelley

[Anonymous No.10659995]

>>10659962
Did I break your toy, brainlet? Are you 12?
>>10659960
>I unironically consider this to be a positive thing
It may be, but it disqualifies you from being able to tell what is cringy and what is not. And I didn't take the line "out of context", it's even cringier in the music.

[Anonymous No.10659998]

>>10659977
Lmao this is just pretentious drivel. Imagine a rapper trying to deliver this to a beat and make it work?

[Anonymous No.10660017]

>>10659998
Wasn't comparing them, it was similar thematically and I though it might interest you, some themes of the mind, dreams and platonism; we are on a literature form. Figured you might peter out though, here let me direct you to the important parts without line breaks

Some say that gleams of a remoter world visit the soul in sleep, that death is slumber and that its shapes the busy thoughts outnumber. Of those who wake and live I look on high; Has some unknown omnipotence unfurled the veil of life and death? or do I lie In dream, and does the mightier world of sleep Spread far around and inaccessibly Its circles. For the very spirit fails, Driven like a homeless cloud from steep to steep, That vanishes among the viewless gales

[Anonymous No.10660024]

>>10660017
If you can digest and appreciate that you're an average brainlet.

[Anonymous No.10660028]

>>10659995
I agree that the line translates well into text but it was out of context and removed from its intended medium...this is fact.

Also, when did cringe stop being a meme? Why are you unironically using a subjective personal experience to quantify the quality of a body of work.

[Anonymous No.10660031]

>>10659962
i shit all over the gay community,
im happy if youre a fucking fag with aids in your immunity
because at least youll eventually die,
and at a faggot funeral you see a lot of fucking men cry
the worlds greatest intellectuals agree there should be a death penalty for confused male bisexuals
i aint down with no fucking homo charade,
my serenade supports knifing queers at the gay parade
even a hardcore fag couldnt harm me,
i say we kick every taking it up the ass nigga out the army
kill military faggots like cattle,
because we cant have soldiers getting dicked in the ass during battle
ive got vaginal fluid on my knife,
im out like the last nut bobbit will ever bust used to rape his wife

[Anonymous No.10660035]

>>10657761
Post-Odd Future Earl is pretty fucking stellar.

[Anonymous No.10660042]

>>10660017
Oh but it has occured to me after going through this thread that you might have stumbled here from /mu/ or something, and probably aren't used to reading and discussing literary work with aesthetic and philosophical merit; and the latter term is not an abritrary addition, that little piece is an incredible exhibition of poetic neo-platonism

[Anonymous No.10660049]

>>10660042
>>10659998
Final addendum, though I wasn't trying to directly compare them, for all the talk of rap having deep meaning and structure, I figured to show a piece that both sounds good and includes legitimate philosophical musing

[Anonymous No.10660051]

El-P
Black Thought of The Roots
Mos Def
Eyedea
Earl Sweatshirt
Dalek
Danny Brown (intensely psychedelic and drug-influenced but has the same anarchic style of Ballard and Philip K Dick)
GZA
Digable Planets
Freddie Gibbs (working class /lit/ is still /lit/)
Lauryn Hill
Gang Starr

[Anonymous No.10660058]

>>10660049
its good. anon is just angry dont mind him

[Anonymous No.10660059]

>>10657821
this, i hope that he's going to drop The Other Side soon

[Anonymous No.10660068]

>>10658520
>>10659279
>>10659334
>>10659718
>>10659879
>>10660017
>>10660051

Holy shit have any of you guys heard yourselves.
If this was a roundtable discussion it would be insufferable. Go to bed, kids.

[Anonymous No.10660070]

>>10660068
mom pushed my bed time back to nine

:P

[Anonymous No.10660074]

>>10660068
lmao kids r the future how abot gb2 bed granDAD !

[Anonymous No.10660079]

>>10660068
Anon why don't you write a rap about this failure of an evening and teach us kids then

[Anonymous No.10660091]

>>10658457
Lil ugly mane is probably the most lit on that list

[Anonymous No.10660097]

>>10660079
Why would he write a rap?

[Anonymous No.10660098]

>>10660070
>>10660074
>>10660079

You kids are alright.
At least you have a sense of humour.

Seriously, turn off the rap and switch to Country.
A single verse of Hank Williams says more than the entire rap canon.

[Anonymous No.10660105]

>>10660098
i was unironically enjoying this interaction until now.

i like country, but....cmon lol.

[Anonymous No.10660110]

>>10660098
Blaze Foley is my go-to guy for country. Clay Pigeons genuinely made me cry. Rap is still worthwhile though.

[Anonymous No.10660117]

>>10660098
I swear guys like this must go into a tunnel-vision trance and temporarily forget that they are wasting time lurking 4chan just like all the rest of us. It's the only way I can rationally explain it.

[Anonymous No.10660126]

>>10660105

Isn't the measure of any literature is universality?

What's universal about drug taking, prison, "hood life" etc.?
It's all strangely voyeuristic and a little creepy to be honest

However, things like unrequited love, loneliness, young and innocent love - these things every man experiences at some point.
Just listen to "I'm so lonesome I could cry" - a landscape of despair. Its perfect.

[Anonymous No.10660127]

>>10660117

Your rationale is actually spot on. I'm a researcher working on a doctoral dissertation.
This is literally a place for me to numb my brain and, if the opportunity arises, stir some shit for giggles. Thats really about it.

[Anonymous No.10660138]

>>10660126
But anon, there are rap songs about unrequited love, loneliness, and young and innocent love.

Nothing intrinsic to humanity belongs to any specific medium.

[Anonymous No.10660139]

>>10660126
>Isn't the measure of any literature is universality?
No

[Anonymous No.10660144]

>>10660098
>Seriously, turn off the rap and switch to Country.
>A single verse of Hank Williams says more than the entire rap canon.
Ffs

[Anonymous No.10660146]

>>10660126
>What's universal about drug taking, prison, "hood life" etc.?
Gee, I don't know, the bitter mores of temporarily and the human condition? Are you seriously trying to say that prison isn't a universal theme for man? Have you put any thought into that statement at all?
>However, things like unrequited love, loneliness
States that engender those previous trappings; they are part and parcel.

Save the sophomoric platitudes for le diary.

[Anonymous No.10660151]

>>10660139
Oh, i get it... You want to escape your bland life and imagine riding in an Impala with a Tec-9 in your FUBU jeans.
You prefer escapism.
That's cool too.
I use my hand and a dollop of KY for that.

[Anonymous No.10660153]

>>10660126
>What's universal about drug taking, prison, "hood life" etc.?
Gee, I don't know, the bitter mores of the temporal and the human condition? Are you seriously trying to say that prison isn't a universal theme for man? Have you put any thought into that statement at all?
>However, things like unrequited love, loneliness
States that engender those previous trappings; they are part and parcel.

Save the sophomoric platitudes for le diary.

[Anonymous No.10660162]

>>10660151
>You prefer escapism.
YOU ARE WASTING TIME ON 4chan AS YOU SAY THIS YOU PREENING PSEUD

GET THEE BEHIND ME, NEVILLE

[Anonymous No.10660163]

>>10660151
No you don't get it, I just dropped in off the frontpage because I saw an incredibly flimsy and stupid claim

[Anonymous No.10660169]

>>10660153
>States that engender those previous trappings; they are part and parcel.
Shitty sentence saying hardly anything made worse by the effort

[Anonymous No.10660171]

>>10660139
Wrong

[Anonymous No.10660172]

>>10660146
Deconstructionist detected.
Away with you heretic.

If you actually think Tyrone Two-Tap is ruminating on "the bitter mores of temporality and the human condition" while writing his fantasies, then you really are projecting and must be writing for Pitchfork.

[Anonymous No.10660175]

>>10660169
t. pedant try hard

You are boring as shit, bro.

[Anonymous No.10660178]

>>10660162
Big difference between escapism and shit posting.

I know my shit posting is shit posting.

You actually think there is merit in escaping to a fantasy world of Impalas, FUBU jeans and Tec-9s

[Anonymous No.10660180]

>>10657845
I think it was his grand. His sister writes for the new York Times

[Anonymous No.10660181]

>>10659830
It's because rap takes more skill and is dipped so deep into culture that its roots stay underground (which is also why you think rappers are "cool")

[Anonymous No.10660184]

>>10657844
It's been obvious since the album with yonkers. There are interviews from back then where reporters ask him about his sex life and he looks scared when he answers. You can see that closet fear in his eyes.

[Anonymous No.10660188]

>>10657713
does anyone on /lit/ know about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prmQgSpV3fA

ten minutes, no breaks, straight from memory
incredible rhymes, literally sweating at the end

[Anonymous No.10660190]

>>10660172
>If you actually think Tyrone Two-Tap is ruminating on "the bitter mores of temporality and the human condition" while writing his fantasies
Tyrone will do what Tyrone will do. I can be interested in it or not. It's my call. I don't care about dickless midcult bores like you who want to dictate what is and isn't "Intellectual™".
>you really are projecting
>and must be writing for Pitchfork
mon visage quand you literally can't help projecting in the very same sentence.

[Anonymous No.10660195]

>>10657871
>>10657907

1 for the money
2 for the better green
3, 4, N,N-Dimethyltryptamine

[Anonymous No.10660201]

>>10660178
>Big difference between escapism and shit posting.
You're fucking delusional, mate.

[Anonymous No.10660206]

>>10659769
Anyone who willingly chooses to use these images has the brainpower equal to the image they post

[Anonymous No.10660209]

>>10660190

You are an angry little boy aren't you?
I guess you can really "feel" Eminem's rage huh?
You must have a real "connection" to the "temporality and human condition". A regular Macklemore you are.

And just to prove I know more about the music you're defending - the answer to OPs original question is
Vast Aire from Cannibal Ox - not mentioned ONCE in this thread.

Get on my level shit dick.

[Anonymous No.10660210]

>>10660126
Can you not appreciate narratives that don't mirror your experiences? the measure of literature isn't universality, it's clarity in the face of confusion. That's why you're able to enjoy a story about two star crossed lovers in Venice from a couple hundred years ago even though you're a fat piece of shit with a tiny dick living with your mother

[Anonymous No.10660214]

>>10660210
+1

[Anonymous No.10660215]

>>10657722
Listened to this album once and now I hate music.

[Anonymous No.10660225]

>>10660210

A story about star crossed lovers in venice from whenever whatever can be analogous to two star crossed lovers from bum fuck kentucky
Don't be so fucking stupid. The experience remained universal across time because it's archetypical you dope.

[Anonymous No.10660229]

>>10660214
Suck his dick while you're at it bro

[Anonymous No.10660230]

>>10660225
>implying it wasnt implied

[Anonymous No.10660232]

>>10660210
Love is universally understandable. You're proving his point.

[Anonymous No.10660234]

>>10660229
Little did you know

[Anonymous No.10660239]

>>10660232
What about his other point? The one that all but says there are no rap songs about love...

[Anonymous No.10660243]

>>10660232
Fucks sake. This guy gets it.

Proof deconstructionism has rotted brains pell-mell

[Anonymous No.10660245]

>>10660239
The point is, if they are about love, they're not very fucking good are they dumb dumb?
Which brings me back to Hank fucking Williams.

[Anonymous No.10660247]

>>10660209
>You are an angry little boy aren't you?
Oldfag, actually. I just don't like try hard midcult pretension.
>And just to prove I know more about the music you're defending - the answer to OPs original question is Vast Aire from Cannibal Ox - not mentioned ONCE in this thread.
How could you assert any kind of positive answer to this question after literally saying
>turn off the rap
in your previous post?
Your entire position was built around rap being pointless and there being no answer by extension, and now you do a 180 and say "hahah just to show you that I am so much better HERE is the REAL answer!" How does that logically follow?

You say that rap is pointless and then you confidently proclaim the album you believe to be the "answer" to OPs question.. you say that escapism and shit posting are different things.. you really do like to move those goalposts around, don't you? Are you incapable of being genuine? Is that it? Why do you need to feel above it all so hard if you can't help but join in?

[Anonymous No.10660249]

>>10660239
He's wrong about that because those are also understandable, although not as universally as love (or death or whatever)

[Anonymous No.10660252]

>>10657713
Only acceptable answer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArrjjSTBDNc

[Anonymous No.10660257]

>>10660225
>>10660232
right right right, but you struggle to understand stories told about imprisonment, drug abuse and life in poverty? Is rap music just so foreign in its themes that someone rapping about taking vengeance on a person in his neighborhood for killing a member of his family is absolutely impossible to digest?

[Anonymous No.10660262]

>>10660209
> thinks Cannibal Ox is obscure

How's your gap year in India, anon? Found yourself yet?

[Anonymous No.10660270]

>>10660126
>What's universal about drug taking, prison, "hood life" etc.?
>If I haven't experienced it, then it can't be good content
honestly, this is the most plebbiest and middle class post you could've made. Go outside and talk to people please

[Anonymous No.10660275]

>>10660247
When did i actually say it was pointless?
I implied it was inferior in its attempt at communicating universal, archetypical life-experiences.
Without even trying to be self-aggrandising I can assure you I know more about Rap than you since I spent my entire youth listening to it until i realised how disingenuous it is.
Not once did I even hint at it being pointless.
In fact, rap itself is escapism for the artists writing it, which ipso facto would make it escapist for the listener. It's escapism-one-removed making it even more pathetic.
It's a fantasy of a fantasy.

[Anonymous No.10660295]

>>10660275
>Without even trying to be self-aggrandising I can assure you I know more about Rap than you since I spent my entire youth listening to it until i realised how disingenuous it is.

>Without even trying to be self-aggrandising

Watching you post is very interesting: you really can't see how consistently disingenuous you're being. You honestly seem quite blind to it. I bet you think you're crushing this shit too.

[Anonymous No.10660337]

>Won a ted hughes award
>Some of Tempest's influences include Samuel Beckett, James Joyce, W B Yeats, William Blake, W H Auden and Wu-Tang Clan

[Anonymous No.10660350]

>>10660337
Good shit

[Anonymous No.10660379]

The only rap music I have heard in the past ten years; well, the only rapper I consciously listened to and can name, is Eminem.

[Anonymous No.10660474]

>>10658462
The only good answer

[Anonymous No.10660541]

Stefan Burnett (go to 2:22: https://soundcloud.com/g-rider-3/04-smoke-screen))
Lil Ugly Mane
Danny Brown
Milo is the epitome of /lit/, though.

[Anonymous No.10660980]

I enjoy meme rap that's fun to listen to much more than 2deep5u word salad bullshit.
Lyricism will always be inferior if it's encased in the medium of music.

[Anonymous No.10661039]

MC Paul Barman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2StNRzrBzgg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQjrDeEbTvQ

Too bad his career was destroyed by college-aged morons' white guilt and racism.

[Anonymous No.10661785]

>>10657713
Unironically, DMX

[Anonymous No.10661799]

>>10661785
>“See to live is to suffer, but to survive, well that’s to find meaning in the suffering.”

[Anonymous No.10662318]

>>10658259
Busdriver saw me eating used pizza at Sundance last year, cool guy.