/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.10655345]

>atheism is simply a lack of belief

[Anonymous No.10655352]

i only started visiting /lit/ the other day, but why are there so many threads on religion?

[Anonymous No.10655354]

>>10655345
Believing in God lmao might as well believe in Santa and the chupacabra

[Anonymous No.10655355]

>>10655345
isnt that agnosticallysticism

[Anonymous No.10655357]

>>10655345
I don't actually get how people on this board unironically believe in god and afterlife.

[Anonymous No.10655361]

>>10655345
Atheism requires more faith in it than any other religion
>>10655352
Because it’s the hardest thing to comprehend

[Anonymous No.10655363]

>>10655354
>>10655357
>God is a magical bearded man in the sky

[Anonymous No.10655373]

>>10655363
the absolute state of atheists

[Anonymous No.10655374]

>>10655357
They don't, no true religious person would ever use the internet.

[Anonymous No.10655375]

>>10655352
Because the only thing /lit/ likes more than discussing literature is not discussing literature

[Anonymous No.10655377]

>>10655361
>Atheism requires more faith in it than any other religion

[Anonymous No.10655384]

>>10655374
>His beliefs follow the ebb and flow of opinion on the internet
EVERYONE LEAVE THIS THREAD AND PICK UP A BOOK NOW
FUCK OFF

[Anonymous No.10655389]

>>10655374
take that back

[Anonymous No.10655395]

>I believe the universe was not created by a God.

There you go, atheism is a belief.

[Anonymous No.10655408]

>>10655395

That's strong atheism. Weak atheism is the absence of belief.

[Anonymous No.10655426]

>>10655408
>I choose to take absolutely no stance or even attempt to consider how the universe came into being
Even worse

[Anonymous No.10655429]

>>10655408
Isn’t that just agnostic though? To be atheist you have to believe that there is no higher power at all

[Anonymous No.10655435]

>>10655408
> weak atheism is the absence of belief
There is no such thing as an absence of belief, or non-belief. You either believe something or you believe something else.

[Anonymous No.10655444]

>>10655426
>I choose to not pretend to know things I don't know
Truly despicable.

[Anonymous No.10655445]

Why are religiousfags always so butthurt about atheism?

[Anonymous No.10655457]

>>10655374
What religions preclude the use of technology?

[Anonymous No.10655487]

[Anonymous No.10655491]

>>10655457
They don't. However 99% of people who follow religions clearly don't fully believe in them, and the 1% that do would never use a computer

[Anonymous No.10655498]

>>10655491
>>10655487
>>10655457
>>10655445
>>10655444
>>10655435
>>10655429
>>10655426
>>10655408
>>10655395
>>10655389
I THOUGHT I SAID FUCK OFF

[Anonymous No.10655503]

>>10655373
haha btfo!

i follow islam though so we're cool

[Anonymous No.10655511]

>>10655444
>if I can't know something with 100% I won't even think about it
>Even if there is strong evidence pointing towards it
>I am truly the summit of philosophical thought
Truly brilliant

[Anonymous No.10655516]

>>10655435
this
and
>>10655498
this

[Anonymous No.10655520]

>>10655503
wow you are SO ironic!
Please tell me how i can be as cool as you! KEK KEK KEK!

[Anonymous No.10655526]

>>10655503
Muslims are unironically better than atheists

[Anonymous No.10655529]

>>10655363
I don't know about the beard, but according to the world's most popular desert myths he is indeed a magical man in the sky.

[Anonymous No.10655532]

>>10655526
t. muslim

[Anonymous No.10655548]

>>10655529
hello, my fellow /r/rickandmorty user

[Anonymous No.10655569]

>>10655548
It's true though. No amount of 2deep philosophy can change the fact that your religion comes from desert people who worshiped a magical man in the sky. Or sometimes in a box.

[Anonymous No.10655575]

>>10655503
>>10655511
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>>10655526
>>10655529
>>10655532
>>10655548
>>10655569
DON'T MAKE ME DESTROY YOU

[Anonymous No.10655580]

>>10655575
You underestimate my power

[Anonymous No.10655585]

LOOK AT ALL THIS LITERATURE
EMBRACE THIS DISCOURSE ON LITERATURE
>/lit/ - literature

[Anonymous No.10655590]

>>10655580
I have the high ground! whatever the fuck that means

[Anonymous No.10655593]

>>10655373
>the christian god is real as described bible, completely humanoid also white
That's stupid.
>what you don't believe in ANY higher power or intelligence
I do
>so yeah, god is some white dude you makes a tic mark for each of your jacks
Christian goalpost hokey pokey.

[Anonymous No.10655597]

>>10655580
>>10655585
>>10655590
>>10655593
DON'T TRY IT

[Anonymous No.10655635]

>>10655569
All of western civilization comes from desert people who believed in weird shit. By your logic, is all of western civilization also a hoax?

[Anonymous No.10655662]

>>10655593
b8

[Anonymous No.10655666]

>>10655635
We also consider ourselves to have progressed well beyond our predecessors except when it comes to the divinely inspired magical sky man writings that are still just as valid as the day they were written.

[Anonymous No.10655707]

>>10655357
They don't. They only pretend to as a form of protest against modernity.

[Anonymous No.10655741]

>>10655666
Nice trips, but just because we have fancy phones with flashy lights doesn't mean anything. We are still those dumb tribespeople trying to figure shit out. At the very core, there is very little diference between a person living in 2018 New York City and and a person living in 10,000 BC Babylon.

[Anonymous No.10655757]

>>10655707
This. It’s a nice way of tidying up their belief system, they see divine command theory as a ‘get out of jail free card’ in any debates about morality, and they like the aesthetics of churches and Christian art (which they think can only be appreciated if you yourself are a Christian). I bet most of them deep down feel they’re kidding themselves, but they like to think that they are modern monks and sages so the charade will continue for a while longer.

[Anonymous No.10655785]

>>10655345
No one says that. They say it's a lack of belief in God or gods, which it is.

[Anonymous No.10655807]

>>10655435
isn't there a third option of not knowing either way? i.e. I don't believe there is a God, but I also don't believe there isn't a God either

[Anonymous No.10655813]

>>10655354
the chupacabra is real though..

[Anonymous No.10655848]

>>10655526
yeah I hate when those athiests bomb buildings and behead people, good thing we're importing peaceful muslims who respect our christian beliefs

[Anonymous No.10655885]

>>10655352
It's out of an aversion to the atheism trend in Reddit. They're basically Christian fedoralords and /lit/ is swarming with them.

[Anonymous No.10655890]

>>10655352
Godtards disguising their self-doubt with chauvinistic bluster.

>inb4 pic of someone in a hat

[Anonymous No.10655894]

>>10655885
t. reddit

[Anonymous No.10655896]

>>10655373
HAHAHAHAAHAHAA THE DUCC WEARS A FEDORA ATHEISM REKT HAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.10655899]

>>10655896
triggered

[Anonymous No.10655905]

>>10655894
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.10655911]

>>10655905
Hi there!
You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form, because if you post annonymously [sic] by default but choose to gain a sense of identity in your posting, it most likely means that you are an attention grubbing whore who has their heart on being a board celebrity rather than actually contributing anything worthwhile. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!

Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my best to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!

[Anonymous No.10655912]

>>10655635
How does believing in hoax make one a hoax? Retarded comparison, kill yourself brainlet

[Anonymous No.10655921]

>>10655890
>>10655885
>>10655757
>>10655707
These. 99% of Christians on this board can be safely disregarded, they are worthless poseurs.

[Anonymous No.10655930]

>>10655435
There is an absence of belief when we're talking about a psychological state. A newborn that doesn't even have a concept of God can't have the psychological state of belief in God.
But this is of course irrelevent when debating the actual ontological claim of God, and not the descriptive claims of anyone having a belief in the existence of God.
Nobody gives a flying fuck whether a certain fedora-tipper has a psychological state of belief or not, because what we're discussing is not his psychological state but his relation towards the ontological claim of the existence of God. There you can either believe that it's true/probably true or believe that it's false/probably false. Not having an opinion is agnosticism, not atheism.
By bringing up "le lack of belief" and "le burden of proof" one is merely changing the subject: from the discussion of the ontological claims of God to the discussion of their personal psychological state

[Anonymous No.10655983]

>>10655930
fedoras btfo

[Anonymous No.10656343]

>>10655983
>btfo
Stop

[Anonymous No.10656353]

>>10656343
t. reddit

[Anonymous No.10656379]

>>10655894
what the fuck does your pic even mean sbrofl

[Anonymous No.10656385]

>>10655741
>We are still those dumb tribespeople trying to figure shit out. At the very core, there is very little diference between a person living in 2018 New York City and and a person living in 10,000 BC Babylon.
If you said 1,000 BC Babylon I might agree with you, but there are major psychological differences between civilized people and non-civilized people.

[Anonymous No.10656404]

The current state of skeptics

[Anonymous No.10656407]

>>10655848
From the Christian perspective, Muslims are better than atheists because at least they believe in God and recognize Jesus as a prophet

[Anonymous No.10656413]

>>10655848
In the 20th century alone, atheists slaughtered much more Christians than Islamists ever did.

[Anonymous No.10656416]

>>10655848

[Anonymous No.10656430]

Atheists dindu nuffin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dechristianization_of_France_during_the_French_Revolution

[Anonymous No.10656434]

>>10656404
Everyone in the skeptic community minus Chris ray gun needs to be executed

[Anonymous No.10656441]

>>10655529
>magic man in the sky
who is also the
>ground of all being

who else is there to look?

[Anonymous No.10656505]

Whats the point of atheism if it doesn't allow you to have an ideal of a perfect being?

[Anonymous No.10656518]

>>10656505
>an ideal of a perfect being?
pssst its your mum, but if your dad finds out he might kill you

[Anonymous No.10656520]

>>10656505
The freedom you get not having a holy text that would lay out rules to follow

[Anonymous No.10656549]

>>10656518
Not my mom
>>10656520
Who says you need to believe a Holy text and follow their rules to have your own ideals of a God?

[Anonymous No.10656585]

>follow these rules or you go to hell
>oh all those people who lived before this moment? all in hell
>the ones who had no chance to know about christianity before their death? also hell

[Anonymous No.10656589]

>>10655707
>>10655757
Wrong. Stop being a plebbitor

[Anonymous No.10656590]

>>10655785
Most say it is a lack of belief. Atheists still worship false gods.

[Anonymous No.10656594]

>people think you need an old religion to have a faith in God

L oh L

[Anonymous No.10656596]

>>10655813
Yeah, there's OP.

[Anonymous No.10656600]

>>10655529
DAE ONLY WORSHIP LE WHITE GODS!?1?1?1?1?! FUCK LE DESSERT KEK NIG NOG GODS PRAISE ODIN

[Anonymous No.10656602]

>>10656385
Nice straw man, but yeah, meant to say 1,000 BC Babylon.

[Anonymous No.10656604]

>2018
>not being a Spinozian pantheist
Explain yourselves.

[Anonymous No.10656607]

>>10655345
I hear this bashing of atheism all the fucking time here, but I havn't heard a single good argument for religion yet, the only thing you fucks do is post a fedora.jpg and act like you won the argument.

I'm genuinly interested, please tell me.

[Anonymous No.10656618]

>>10655569
Stop being an ignorant retard, please. You have no clue what you're talking about. Please wubba dubba kys
>>10655666
>progress
No such thing exists. Please kys

[Anonymous No.10656620]

>>10656585

If that was what Christians actually believed you might have a point.

[Anonymous No.10656626]

>>10656607

Have you read any theist philosophers?

[Anonymous No.10656634]

>>10655354
I dont know.. there is something about religion that can make a person happier and motivated. I'm having doubts about the god aspect, but ever since i read The Conference of the Birds i feel something different, closer to belief.

[Anonymous No.10656640]

>>10656385
Civilization doesn't exist, retard.
>>10656585
Oh look, somebody hasn't read scripture. Suicide is a choice.
>>10656607
MUH ARGUMENTS *TIPS FEDORA LIKE LE SIR*
Your mindset is irrecoverable. End it.

[Anonymous No.10656651]

>>10656607
If you have a deep understanding of philosophy and logic, you will see that having a God idea allows you to aim for their perfection.

[Anonymous No.10656666]

>>10656626
>>10656640
I get the whole "if it makes you a better person it doesn't matter if it's true" and "sometimes it's about the culture and not the faith" but that still doesn't counts as proof.
Are we seriously just supposed to see everything as metaphorically and not question it?
I can't get myself to believe, how the fuck do you do that? I even taken shrooms and got nothing spiritual out of it.

[Anonymous No.10656682]

>>10656666

Have you tried actually studying the arguments for Gods existence or is your only exposure to them from other atheists?

[Anonymous No.10656684]

>>10656666
I'm not a pragmatist you fucking moron. Just end it all now.
Go shove your fedora eight yards up your ass.

[Anonymous No.10656695]

>>10656682
I was raised in a relatively strict religious household..

[Anonymous No.10656705]

>>10656589
Great argument.

[Anonymous No.10656708]

>>10656695
Then you are merely rebellious anon, congrats keep up the good fight

*tips*

[Anonymous No.10656709]

>>10656695

That's not answer to my very simple question. You can be the most strictly religious person in the world and still never touch the philosophical justifications for a belief in God. You say you're genuinely interested in learning why people believe but you sure as shit don't act like it.

[Anonymous No.10656711]

>>10656684
Wow really sophisticated and well informed answer there, keep it up my fellow intellectual.

[Anonymous No.10656728]

>>10656708
>"you are either ignorant or pretending, otherwise you would agree with me"
*tips cross*

[Anonymous No.10656745]

>>10656709
Because the majority of religious people are it because their parents were it and their parents before were it.
Religion doesn't really go together with society today because information travels a lot faster than it did 1000 years ago.

What I'm saying is that I still have a lot of disciplines and live after certain virtues from my childhood.
But wholeheartedly believe in a entity? I cannot simply do that.

[Anonymous No.10656748]

>>10656728
>expects his faith to be changed by others
>argued and dismisses their opinions
>woe is me woe is me

[Anonymous No.10656755]

>>10656745

This is why people typically only respond with fedora pictures. You're retarded.

[Anonymous No.10656756]

>>10656748
>>10656695
>Then you are merely rebellious anon, congrats keep up the good fight
>*tips*
And let's not pretend most people trying to help were not cunts about it.

[Anonymous No.10656766]

>>10656745
Can you even answer a simple question?

[Anonymous No.10656774]

>>10656766
>>10656756
You guys really are just as retarded as the other boards here.

[Anonymous No.10656780]

>>10655345
a- (not)
-theism (belief in dieties)

What more do you want?

[Anonymous No.10656786]

>>10656682
Not him, but what are these arguments?

[Anonymous No.10656790]

>Christianity is the default position

[Anonymous No.10656791]

>>10656756
The fuck?
Since when is it my duty to change your faith?
I give no fucks what you believe in.
In my eyes its simply your loss for not finding beauty im God. And I don't really care.

I'm not Christian or any other identified religion.

Grow up

[Anonymous No.10656802]

>>10656791
I was only critizing you for saying that people who disagree with you are either ignorant or rebellious.

[Anonymous No.10656807]

>>10656786

I was asking if he studied any argument for Gods existence.

[Anonymous No.10656819]

>>10656589
Pray that God might give you an argument.

[Anonymous No.10656829]

>>10656774
If your reading comprehension is this good, I can see why you would not even bother to read philosophical writings on God.

[Anonymous No.10656835]

>>10656791
>I'm not Christian or any other identified religion.
>Duuuuuude get those labels away from me
Cringed very hard at this. Your “religious views” are pure semantic nonsense, stop being a poseur before it’s too late.

[Anonymous No.10656858]

>>10656807
Are there any worth studying, in your opinion?

[Anonymous No.10656901]

>>10656858

Aquinas is, yeah. Ed Feser has a few really good and very readable books. He breaks down and corrects a lot of contemporary misunderstandings.

[Anonymous No.10656912]

>>10656802
I was pointing out how you are going against how you family raised you.

>>10656835
>>Duuuuuude get those labels away from me
Lol completely missed the point of my post. I was showing how God isn't just a thing for religions.

I tie my own God into many sources I don't care where the informatiom comes from.
Not really 'posing' as anything anon, maybe your ego blinds you

[Anonymous No.10656917]

[Anonymous No.10656921]

>>10656413
>liberalism isn't a christian sect

[Anonymous No.10656939]

>>10656917
>>10656921
Thread was bait and is now even more bait.
Proof that most people arguing about religion either way are obnoxious.

[Anonymous No.10656953]

>>10656939
People the rely on ad hominems are not debating anything

[Anonymous No.10656958]

/lit/ - literature
religitards fuck off

[Anonymous No.10656963]

>>10656416
So Hitler is a close second to Mao in kills per year

[Anonymous No.10656967]

>>10656958
Religion is philosophy and is no different from a discussion on politics

[Anonymous No.10656978]

>>10656413
We've been over this, you cannot blame atheists for communism deaths, as they didn't murder for religious reasons, but rather political ones. Especially if you're talking about Saint Stalin.

[Anonymous No.10656980]

>>10656413

[Anonymous No.10656983]

>>10656978
>cant blame the us soldiers for their country
>cant blame inquisitors for the holy God

[Anonymous No.10656985]

Everybody in this thread will be vindicated when they die and they go back to the infinity of nothing they were before they were born.

[Anonymous No.10656995]

>>10656978

So when they burned down churches and specifically sought out clergy for executions and instituted anti-religious programs in an attempt to create a "new communist man" that was completely devoted to the state rather than any religion this wasn't motivated by religious reasons?

[Anonymous No.10657002]

>>10656983
Missed the point, my self depicting friend. Inquisitors acted for their religion. Commies acted for their politics. Very simple concept to grasp.
>>10656995
No, so you can credit their deaths to radical atheism, which is nowhere near the deaths the Inquisition alone caused. Do you think the native americans killed by the spaniards were executed for religious reason?

[Anonymous No.10657009]

>>10656620
I know many real-life Christians who genuinely believe this. My grandmother and aunt were convinced that my parents had condemned my siblings and I to eternal hell because they chose to not have us baptized.

[Anonymous No.10657011]

>>10656607
This

[Anonymous No.10657013]

>>10656967
philositards can fuck off too

[Anonymous No.10657019]

>>10656978
>implying it isn't politics that causes one religion to kill another

[Anonymous No.10657020]

>>10657002
>not realizing war drafts were mandatory

Kys

[Anonymous No.10657026]

>>10657013
Lol

Literature is built on philosophy you colossal faggot

[Anonymous No.10657041]

>>10656505
If that's the most religion has to offer then no wonder there are more atheists than ever

[Anonymous No.10657046]

>>10657019
There is inevitably an influence of religion in politics. So I take it you're reconsidering ascribing the deaths of those priests to a standard power play, rather than simple concentrated atheism?
>>10657020
Literally not an argument.

[Anonymous No.10657050]

>>10656607
Listen and weep faggot
https://youtu.be/9R3BXJVjwKI?t=10m55s

[Anonymous No.10657053]

>>10656430

I knew this would become relevant sooner or later

[Anonymous No.10657056]

>>10657046
Of course it was a power play. Also I'm not the guy who blamed atheism for the USSR's crimes.

[Anonymous No.10657058]

>>10657041

[Anonymous No.10657064]

>>10656835
And your religious views are dogmatic nonsense

[Anonymous No.10657065]

>>10656921
Well it's not really a christian sect but it did evolve from puritanism, as a response to christianity being debunkable with about 5 minutes of critical thinking.
So they just became atheist and replaced "heresy" with "politically incorrect" or "hate-crime"

[Anonymous No.10657067]

dubs from God

[Anonymous No.10657078]

>>10656602
>responding to what I actually said instead of what I meant is a strawman

[Anonymous No.10657080]

>>10657046
>Literally not an argument
You realize 'communists' where forced to play their part by their peers?
And their nationalism urges come from a drive of fear?

[Anonymous No.10657085]

>>10657058
Even if god is "perfection," why should it be the sort of perfection that makes sense for humans to try to emulate? Why does humanity get that privileged position? Why should god be anthropomorphic in any way (including human-like intelligence, compassion, etc.)?

[Anonymous No.10657119]

>>10656682
>arguments for gods existence

So nonsense?

[Anonymous No.10657131]

>religion

[Anonymous No.10657149]

>>10657085
Thats all for you to decide anon

But For this phrase i go to
>we are all made in Gods Image

[Anonymous No.10657170]

>>10657131
>materialism

[Anonymous No.10657179]

>>10657149
>we are all made in god's image

even niggers? and retards? and jared from subway?

[Anonymous No.10657189]

>>10656634
>i hate life
>oh shit so you be sayin this is only some test or some shit and ima meet ma mother and brother in heaven
>where do i sign up for this

[Anonymous No.10657196]

>>10657189
>people have a personal need for answers
>therefore any answer they find is wrong

[Anonymous No.10657206]

>>10657170
>enjoying life is materialism
christfags are so fucking gay holy shit

[Anonymous No.10657219]

>>10657170
That is not even the obvious opposite

Most people who were formerly christian escaped from it one of two ways

1. simply getting away from the church (for a long time) and gaining a better perspecive

2. studying other world religions and philosophy, or reading basically anything older than the bible that it has been plagiarized from
(taoist literature especially gives a great alternative to christianity)

[Anonymous No.10657222]

>>10657206
Not even that, he apparently thinks not being religious automatically makes one materialistic, which is a Dawkins-tier assertion

[Anonymous No.10657234]

>>10657179
Yup

[Anonymous No.10657244]

>>10657222
Mega-churches literally preach materialism, and that God wants you to have "everything" (mc-mansions and cheap plastic shit made in china) and be succesful in a materialist way.

Now I have a lot of ascetic tendencies myself but I wouldn't judge someone who wants some material possesion, especially if it is something of good taste, like a unique classic car or an art collection.

[Anonymous No.10657257]

>>10656695
That doesn't mean you're educated. Quite the contrary.
>>10656745
Not an argument. Please commit sudoku

[Anonymous No.10657264]

>>10657222
>>10657219
>being this pagan

[Anonymous No.10657270]

>>10657065
You can stop baiting. fedoratard

[Anonymous No.10657276]

>>10657219
I've studied far more than you. You are illiterate, reading Wikipedia articles is not studying. You're rationalizing.
>plagiarized
Drink Tide

[Anonymous No.10657283]

Christianity single-handedly caused the destruction of western civilization

[Anonymous No.10657286]

>>10656634
True Xmas is dope af when you believe in Santa ppl

[Anonymous No.10657303]

>>10657276
Basically everything in the bible is an amalgamation of older texts and practices, including but not limited to:

Mesopotamian myths
Egyption religion
Greek and Roman gods & godesses
Pagan religions
Astrology
Eastern thought, buddhism, confusionism, toaism etc

It was made this way purposely to unite people under one religion, there is no argument against this.

[Anonymous No.10657317]

>>10657303
holy shit
I thought you people died out circa 2012

[Anonymous No.10657329]

>>10657303
This is precisely why Jung suggested that for christianity to survive it needed to adopt a symblic interpretation of the text instead of literal, otherwise it would continue to crumble under scrutiny.

Of course they didn't bother and now instead you have Jordan "lobsters" Peterson interpreting it for you, as a guide to living an archaic 1940s traditional lifestyle and "the andidote to post-modernism" aka regression... what a mess

[Anonymous No.10657351]

>>10657317
Like I said, there is no argument since it is a known fact. Of course I once talked to a particularly creative Christcuck who told me that Satan himself invented all those older documents to discredit the Bible, so there is that.

[Anonymous No.10657376]

>>10655757
>they see divine command theory as a ‘get out of jail free card’ in any debates about morality
What else could it be?

[Anonymous No.10657384]

>>10657329
Christianity always had symbolic meaning

[Anonymous No.10657440]

>>10657384
Tell that to these people.

A creationist type is the extreme for sure, but I grew up in new england protestant churches and you would have a real hard time trying to convince them that 95% of the bible is fiction. They teach some basic symbolism right alongside a belief that these things actually happened, the things that break all known laws of physics, the things that are blatant ripoffs of older tradition etc..

I remember one particular idiot who gave a series of sermons showing hidden codes in the hebrew version of genesis, and the idea was no human would have been capable of writing that. Although if you know anything about Hebrew the whole language is based on a combination of math a having many meanings for a single word, leading to an almost infinite number of interpretations - nevertheless the good christians sopped up this "proof" that the bible is the inspired word of god without a single doubt.

[Anonymous No.10657459]

>>10657149
Yes I’m familiar with that phrase/idea, I’m just not sure why one would believe in it.

[Anonymous No.10657471]

>>10657440
It does not take some radical to go against the theory of evolution. It just takes a different perspective.

The theory of evolution is really just the complete ramification of a materialistic, deterministic, view of reality, as opposed to any sort of self-actualizing view of spiritual unity.

[Anonymous No.10657496]

>>10657471
Reality is what continues to exist whether or not you believe in it, like for instance the mountains of evidence for evolution, and the mountains of evidence that christianity is a big fictional lie mostly adhered to by people with lower than average critical thinking skills.

Your argument couldn't be more convoluted, are christians really using new-age nonsense to rationalize their beliefs now? There is evidence than consciousness may be in some way at the base of the material world but that has nothing to do with the supposed magic tricks of christ or sticks turning into snakes etc.

[Anonymous No.10657498]

>>10657002
>which is nowhere near the deaths the Inquisition alone caused.
The Soviet union killed way more fucking people than the Inquisition ever did. On top of that there were multiple Inquisitions, it wasn't all the same group. Hell, the first Inquisition was even a good thing.

[Anonymous No.10657518]

>>10657303
That doesn't disprove the faith. It shows that Christianity is an eternal truth, to the extent that earlier people prefigured elements of it through contemplation

[Anonymous No.10657527]

>>10657498
Plus the heretics that the Inquisition killed were like ISIS-tier religious madmen.

[Anonymous No.10657533]

>>10657496
You're right, they are two separate distinct concepts. It doesn't mean they both didn't exist.

[Anonymous No.10657539]

>>10657518
>christianity is an eternal truth

I think it's time to get off the kool-aid anon

[Anonymous No.10657540]

>>10657440
Creationism basically only exists in America and is a relatively new phenomenon (only about 200 years old). It does not reflect the entire faith, which was producing nuanced, philosophical readings of the scriptures in the 2nd and 3rd centuries AD

[Anonymous No.10657551]

>>10657540
ima get on reading those "nuanced" and "philosophical" 2nd century writings real soon, thanks for the tip

[Anonymous No.10657555]

>>10657551
Gregory of Nyssa would beat your ass

[Anonymous No.10657561]

>>10655345