/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.10613947]

Why is it that Canada, Australia, and New Zealand together have failed to produce a single canonical writer, while the United States has produced at least five?

They all have similar backgrounds, ages, and demographic stock, but only America can be considered an aesthetic success. Why?

At the risk of sounding parochial, I must conclude that there is something unique to America alone, something in its culture and people which allows for boundless creative affirmation. But what?

[Anonymous No.10613952]

>>10613947
>But what?

el creatura

[Anonymous No.10613954]

The US is an exceptional place. Be it producing athletes, writers, serial killers, or what have you, we take the gold.

[Anonymous No.10613959]

because USA has an enormous population

australia has a nobel prize winner, how is that not canonical? even harold bloom included him

richard flanagan won the man booker prize 3 years ago

[Anonymous No.10613961]

it's a numbers game. look to population

[Anonymous No.10613977]

<20% population combined
Colonies vs independent country (the US had to define its new culture through writers like Whitman, Melville, Emerson, etc.)
The US is an economic powerhouse and attracts lots of people who then get together in large metropolitan places to make art.
The CIA covertly pushing American modern art to oppose Russian realism.

[Anonymous No.10613988]

>>10613947
the usa has more people and is a republic

thats literally it

[Anonymous No.10613996]

>>10613977
>The CIA covertly pushing American modern art to oppose Russian realism.

[Anonymous No.10613999]

>>10613988
>republic

Yep. America has had a couple of centuries to attempt to define "American' literature.

[Anonymous No.10614032]

populations:

canada = 36 million (11% of usa)
australia = 24 million (7.4% of usa)
new zealand = 4.7 million (1.5% of usa)

usa = 323 million

bonus round:

russia = 144 million
britain = 65 million

[Anonymous No.10614050]

>>10613959
I opened a Coetzee novel, how's that ozzie?

[Anonymous No.10614073]

>>10613947
Richard Flanagan will be a part of the canon in a decade or two. The Narrow Road to the Deep North might be the best novel of the 21st century.

[Anonymous No.10614088]

>>10614032
Massachusetts - 7 million

Canonical writers born in the 150 year history of Massachusetts

- Poe
- Dickinson
- Emerson
- Thoreau
- Hawthorne
- Longfellow
- Lowell
- Updike
- Leary
- Eggers
- Du Bois
- Seuss

Britain - 65 million

Canonical writers born in the 30,000 year history of Britain

- Shakespeare
- Zadie Smith
- Neil Gaiman
- ????

[Anonymous No.10614113]

>>10613947
As much as i hate them, I have to say Americans have a pretty cool collection of national "myths". Shit like the frontier, the american dream, much freedumbs, jazz, much consumerism etc etc.
It's an interesting place for someone artistically inclined.

[Anonymous No.10614124]

>>10614088
One.

[Anonymous No.10614126]

>>10614088
>Eggers

leave now and don't come back.

[Anonymous No.10614130]

>>10614088
terrible post

[Anonymous No.10614131]

>>10614088
>forgetting about Thomas Pynchon

He might live in Manhattan these days but don’t forget, he was born in Long Island, Mass

[Anonymous No.10614138]

>>10613947

>he hasn't read Patrick White or The Fortunes of Richard Mahony

[Anonymous No.10614152]

>>10613996
This is true though
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html
http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20161004-was-modern-art-a-weapon-of-the-cia
https://huffpost.com/us/entry/3156994
https://gizmodo.com/5686753/how-the-cia-spent-secret-millions-turning-modern-art-into-a-cold-war-arsenal

[Anonymous No.10614180]

>>10614152
Why do these fucking retards use "modern" as a substitute for abstract expressionism?
Anyway the really funny thing is that this whole affair shows how truly gullible are intellectual types.

[Anonymous No.10614187]

>>10614088
:-/

[Anonymous No.10614192]

>>10614088
Shakespeare is arguably more popular than all them mfs combined

[Anonymous No.10614205]

>>10613947
cos we fuck them nigga bitches

[Anonymous No.10614209]

>>10613996
like it fucking worked nigga check lit any day

[Anonymous No.10614221]

>>10614126
fucking same dude that guy suck dick

[Anonymous No.10614226]

>>10613947
>Same demographic stock
Lol America is not the same as a bunch of white nigger criminals banished to the bottom of the earth.

[Anonymous No.10614229]

>>10613947
I'm pretty sure Robert Hughes is canon

[Anonymous No.10614236]

>>10613959
>because USA has an enormous population
Nah, we have a huge chunk of inert minorities who do jack shit. And Melville, Hawthorne, and Emerson wrote at a time when there were only like 20 million americans, many being black slaves.

The truth is that New Zealand and Australia are just cultural jokes. Canada has potential, but their culture was soubservient to pleasing le big brother Britain that they never really launched out on their own until recently, with such writers as Alice Munro.

[Anonymous No.10614244]

>>10614226
>white nigger criminals banished to the bottom of the earth.
kek

[Anonymous No.10614366]

>>10614180
Because abstract expressionism is under the umbrella of Modern art

[Anonymous No.10614371]

>>10613947
>Canada
Too many leafs.
>Australia
Too many kangaroos.
>New Zealand
Too many kiwis.
>United States
>at least five
Name bloody one.

[Anonymous No.10614381]

>>10614180
check out this brainlet

[Anonymous No.10614386]

>>10614236
>Harlem Renaissance

[Anonymous No.10614403]

>>10614386
>remember that time the blacks were able to approximate 110 IQs
yeah, really impressive stuff, don't know how we'd survive without it

[Anonymous No.10614413]

>>10614403
>Tries to refute with a comic defending the most brainlet of pseuds
I'm not even mad bro.

[Anonymous No.10614444]

The average IQ in the USA is 99
now subtract blacks and mexicans
The average is quite high among the white population, it's unintentional eugenics, the most ambitious europeans with means came to America (I'm talking about colonists specifically not later immigrants)
This is similar to why european jew's have a higher than standard IQ than other caucasians.

t. two of my ancestors signed the constitution and I'm working my way towards genius level IQ

[Anonymous No.10614455]

>>10614386
>"great" black literary movement
>don't know the meaning of the word renaissance
lol surely their work is worth reading

[Anonymous No.10614467]

Australian here. There is definitely a huge cultural element to it too. I disagree with the OP’s complete dismissal, but he is right that the Cwlth nations have different attitudes which affects their output.

[Anonymous No.10614472]

>>10614236
Aus has decent writers, it's just that brainlets on 4chan dont live here or even take the time to research it. Patrick White, Gerald Murnane, Andy Griffiths (kek), Thomas Keneally, Richard Flanagan and Peter Carey to name a few

[Anonymous No.10614475]

>>10614124
zozzle

[Anonymous No.10614490]

>>10614472
>most important writer is unironically named "Banjo"
such a rich literary culture

[Anonymous No.10614498]

>>10614455
It was a Renaissance for blacks in America who had been kept in a dark state of illiteracy by slavery. Remember 80 years, just a generation and a half before the 1920s, it was illegal for 90% of blacks in America to read.

Also /pol/ pls go.

[Anonymous No.10614502]

>>10614490
>wrote extensively about outback culture
>disregarded because his name is Banjo

this is the level of analysis on lit

[Anonymous No.10614503]

>>10613996
>>10613977
I'm really not sure if you two are saying abstract art was positive or negative, but the usual opinion seems to be that it was a negative thing. I hear a lot of ignorant people calling it "ugly" or "lazy" but that is so far from the truth.
If you spend even a small amount of time learning about art history you realize what a complete revolution it has been - from cave paintings to expressionism there was never a more profound stylistic discovery. Abstract art was like discovering a new continent psychologically - it's effects and influence are so widespread that they are impossible to measure.

[Anonymous No.10614508]

>>10614444
of course whites have a higher iq. iq was invented by and for whites. check your privilege bro

[Anonymous No.10614512]

>>10614502
git r done, mate

[Anonymous No.10614518]

>>10614498
>It was a Renaissance
This has nothing to do with your all too easy sob story shtiposting. When was the Naissance?

[Anonymous No.10614520]

>>10614502
Not doing our country’s literature any favours by being so obviously butthurt

[Anonymous No.10614526]

>>10614508
It was invented as a test of cognitive functions, and the questions are completely free from being dependent on knowledge of language or math - it is mostly pattern recognition, and can even be given fairly to someone who was isolated from civilization like rain forest tribes.

[Anonymous No.10614527]

>>10614503
probably 2% of users on this board have any grasp of art history. the rest are pseuds who lust for realism

[Anonymous No.10614531]

>>10614526
do you participate in mensa?

[Anonymous No.10614538]

>>10614503
A little indulgent in your final judgement. If it had seen so far it is only because it stood on the shoulders of giants.

[Anonymous No.10614545]

>>10614503
I wasn't saying it was positive or negative, but that it was invented by the CIA as a cold war tactic

[Anonymous No.10614559]

>>10614520
if you think what im saying comes off as butthurt then you're the softest faggot out

[Anonymous No.10614578]

>>10614518

[Anonymous No.10614606]

>>10613947
10 times the people.
But why are you wrong? And why has America never produced a philosopher while Canada has many world-renowned?

[Anonymous No.10614608]

>>10614559
Terrible attempt.

[Anonymous No.10614630]

>>10614545
except you're wrong. Picasso had established abstract impressionism by 1920 based on cubist pieces and "Nude Descending a staircase." He is the continuation of a long line of post-impressionist painters like Matisse, van Gogh, Gaugain, all the way back to the impressionists Cezanne and Monet. who in turn were influenced by Manet's 1863 paintiing "Le Déjeuner sur l’herbe," which is where modernist visual art began. Beside Picasso, abstract impressionists in the teens and 20s included Theodor Doesburg, Paul Klee, and Wassily Kandinsky at the Bauhaus in Germany. Dada was also established by the 20s, another branch of modernist art which included Duchamp's "urinal," probably the 1 piece people hate on most when they talk about modernism.

Modernism wasn't "invented" by the CIA, let alone in the 1950s as you say. It has a long history rooted in European avant garde culture.

[Anonymous No.10614662]

>>10614444
God, Amerimutts are so damned insufferable.
Remember during the fall, this is why the world hates you.

[Anonymous No.10614686]

>>10614630
Abstraction isn't abstract expressionism, mutt.

[Anonymous No.10614692]

>>10614578
>calling a loose tribal federation an empire

[Anonymous No.10614698]

>>10614606
>never

[Anonymous No.10614699]

>>10614662
We are winning in ways that you haven't even considered. You really do not understand how completely improbable it would be for the American empire to fall this early.

[Anonymous No.10614700]

>>10614444
>, the most ambitious europeans with means came to America (I'm talking about colonists specifically not later immigrants)
Why is this meme statement so popular? It was the opposite actually. People who couldn't hack it in the Old World fled to the US in a last ditch attempt

[Anonymous No.10614704]

>>10614444
now subtract the Juden
The average is low again

[Anonymous No.10614709]

>>10614699
>to fall this early
The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long

[Anonymous No.10614720]

>>10614704
Why would you subract white jews?

[Anonymous No.10614721]

>>10614236
>Canada has potential
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about

[Anonymous No.10614735]

>>10614700
One is an explanation of the higher iq among American whites than their European counterparts, the other is eurocoping.

They're both incorrect, though. The US attracted all manner of people.

[Anonymous No.10614744]

>>10614662
>the world
Kek, who gives a shit

[Anonymous No.10614752]

>>10614709
We haven't even bothered tapping the resources within our own border yet, and considering the rest of the world gives us free money and then takes it back in trade for theirs I mean... we definitely are not even at the halfway mark yet. You aren't thinking logically, but with our new merit based immigration policies I'm sure you could come join us, if you have something to offer.

[Anonymous No.10614761]

>>10614752
>/lit/ poster
>merit
Oh my sides

[Anonymous No.10614768]

>>10614761
Yes, probably the most subtle joke I've ever written.

[Anonymous No.10614769]

>>10614692
>Muh tribes

[Anonymous No.10614779]

>>10613947
> I must conclude that there is something unique to America alone, something in its culture and people which allows for boundless creative affirmation. But what?
America has a more turbulent history than Australia, New Zealand and Canada. The Revolution, Slavery Debates, Civil War, Westward Expansion, Robber Barron capitalism, the Great Depression and Civil Rights movements have created a vibrant culture where people feel compelled to express themselves on the ideas of their day. It's not a coincidence that America's best, Whitman and Melville, were writing during the most emotionally charged period of American history.

[Anonymous No.10614854]

>>10614490
> poet uses pseudonym
> too confusing for burgers

It’s ok. I understand the concept of a poet being published in their lifetime can be hard to grasp.

[Anonymous No.10614866]

>>10614698
> Franklin
> Philosopher
Jefferson would’ve been a better idea, but all the founding fathers are Europeans.

[Anonymous No.10614884]

>>10614606
Canada has more guns per capita than America. The guns aren't our problem.

[Anonymous No.10614963]

I think it’s just because those countries are incredibly insulated from the problems of the world. When the worst social issue you have is having massacred a few illiterate natives 100+ years ago, there’s not much to write about.

The fact that they’ve been settled for under 2/3rds of the time doesn’t help that much either.

[Anonymous No.10615130]

>>10613947
Australia does not have a culture conducive to artistic production.

[Anonymous No.10615175]

>>10614866
>all the founding fathers are Europeans
Imagine being this stupid

[Anonymous No.10615240]

>>10613947
>Why is it that Canada, Australia, and New Zealand together have failed to produce a single canonical writer

Western Canon writers fro Canada:
Malcolm Lowry, Robertson Davies, Alice Munro, Northrop Frye, Anne Hébert, Jay Macpherson, Margaret Atwood, Daryl Hine

Western Canon writers from Australia and New Zealand:
Miles (Stella) Franklin, Katherine Mansfield, A. D. Hope, Patrick White, Christina Stead, Judith Wright, Les A. Murray, Thomas Keneally, David Malouf, Kevin Hart, Peter Carey

[Anonymous No.10615355]

>>10613947
Real answer: the way writers become canonical has nothing to do with quality but popularity and spread. If you think a little you’ll notice how almost all canonical writers come from a time and place that was internationally relevant. Greek writers during the golden age of Greece city-states, Roman writers at the height of Roman dominion, French writers and thinkers during the French revolution, German writers during the hey of the HRE or Prussian empires, British ones during the industrial revolution and so on. Also, power nations have a way to make their cultivation icons relevant to the rest of the world. If English wasnt the defacto language of our age, Shakespeare wouldnt be as known and the Canterbury Tales would be relegated to second class status compared to the Decameron. American writers are known internationally because they are American.

[Anonymous No.10615685]

>>10614113
Hate us cuz they ain't us

[Anonymous No.10615708]

>>10613947
>They all have similar backgrounds
Sweetie...

[Anonymous No.10615728]

>>10613947
>I can be proud of the achievements of people I have never met and are not related to me besides having been born on the same landmass.

[Anonymous No.10615741]

because they are constantly impaired by blood rushes and red-outs

[Anonymous No.10615825]

>>10615175
Imagine being this burger.

[Anonymous No.10615839]

>>10614498
/lit/ famously is a neo-confederate board. Coon sympathizers keep walking.

[Anonymous No.10615889]

>>10615825
Franklin has always been regarded by foreigners as a symbol of America, in the same way that people from your shithole are regarded as a symbol of low iq.

[Anonymous No.10615903]

>>10615839
>/pol/lacks actually think their spaghetti revisionism works outside of /pol/
go back

[Anonymous No.10616087]

>>10615889
Foreigners regard fucking Carnegie as more of a symbol of America than Franklin(I’d use Trump, but you cunts embraced that meme too hard). I’m not entirely sure if you can claim Australians a symbol of high iq, given that we get the same average as you even after 30 years of poofters in government trying to their hardest emulate your education system.

[Anonymous No.10616103]

>>10616087
To be clear, around 7% of Australians are illiterate, the same as the best US states.

[Anonymous No.10616199]

>>10614963
>australia is scooby doo

[Anonymous No.10616646]

>>10616199
what does this image mean?

[Anonymous No.10616701]

>>10614088
Niel Gaiman over Alan Moore. That's some low quality bait friendo.
(You)

[Anonymous No.10616847]

>>10614180
Abstract expressionism is LITERALLY the foundation of the second wave of modernism, dolt.
>>10614503
While Pollock's action painting was a fucking genius stroke and I'm not particularly pro or against abstractionism and it's offshoots, I feel compelled to rank the CIA meddling with modern art as a negative thing. Just compare Pollock or Rothko to someone like Yves Klein or Daniel Buren, who managed to stretch the limits of painting while also managing to critique art and art history, it makes the american painters sound tame and even kind of pointless in retrospect.

[Anonymous No.10616857]

>>10614518
How fucking autistic do you have do be to pick a bone with this?

[Anonymous No.10616894]

Lol. The greatest short story writer alive is a Canadian WOMAN, and her name is Alice Munro. Read more brainlet

[Anonymous No.10616907]

>>10614088
>Britain - 65 million
>Canonical writers born in the 30,000 year history of Britain
>- Shakespeare
>- Zadie Smith
>- Neil Gaiman
>- ????

Oh, come on. Britain has written circles around America in the past 60 years alone.

1) Philip Larkin
2) William Golding
3) Ted Hughes
4) Doris Lessing
5) John Fowles
6) Will Self
7) George Orwell
8) V.S. Naipaul
8) Muriel Spark
9) Kingsley Amis
10) J.R.R. Tolkien
11) C.S. Lewis
12) Iris Murdoch
13) Salman Rushdie
14) Ian Fleming
15) Jan Morris
16) Roald Dahl
17) Anthony Burgess
18) Mervyn Peake
19) Martin Amis
20) Anthony Powell
21) Alan Sillitoe
22) John le Carre
23) Penelope Fitzgerald
24) Philippa Pearce
25) Barbara Pym
26) Beryl Bainbridge
27) J.G. Ballard
28) Alan Garner
29) Alasdair Gray
30) Angela Carter
31) Derek Walcott
32) Kazuo Ishiguro
33) Anita Brookner
34) A.S. Byatt
35) Ian McEwan
36) Geoffrey Hill
37) Hanif Kureishi
38) Iain Banks
39) George MacKay Brown
40) A.J.P. Taylor
41) Isaiah Berlin
42) Michael Moorcock
43) Philip Pullman
44) Julian Barnes
45) Colin Thubron
46) Bruce Chatwin
47) Alice Oswald
48) Benjamin Zephaniah
49) Rosemary Sutcliff

[Anonymous No.10616949]

>>10613947
We're just so small your career as a writer can't take off here (New Zealand). I've met a few of the best writers in the country (Witi Ihimaera the most famous of them) through a young writers programme when I was writing short stories as a teenager and the reality is that either you get lucky like Ihimaera did with Whale Rider or you just can't survive here.
Any kiwis above 20 or so will tell you it was the same with music too. Until maybe just under 10 years ago all the music was really poorly funded crap, music videos were horrible, production was pretty shit too and then around 2012 or maybe a bit earlier suddenly it changed with The Naked and Famous, Kids of 88, and nz bands actually able to reach a real market and produce quality content, and then Lorde came along not long after.
It's a numbers game. You just can't survive as a writer in nz. Another famous author, Katherine Mansfield, fucking hated New Zealand for being a cultural hole.

[Anonymous No.10617089]

>>10613947
New Zealand has Katherine Mansfield
Canada has Margaret Atwood (shudders)

[Anonymous No.10617102]

>>10616907
It's a troll dude. Everyone knows Britain has both the most and the best writers.
>but muh Russia
they've got like 6 or 7
>muh Asia
none of them contributed to the freedoms we enjoy today thanks to Western civilization, they were all content elitists supportive of tyranny and status quo

[Anonymous No.10617210]

>>10613947
>Canada
Umm, sweetie

[Anonymous No.10617225]

>>10613947

>at least five

DEFINITIVE LIST OF CANONICAL AMERICAN WRITERS

1: Melville

That is the list.

[Anonymous No.10617237]

>>10613996
It's true. They were trying to promote the artistic freedom of the US.

[Anonymous No.10617240]

>>10617225
But he’s so big that he counts as 5

[Anonymous No.10617428]

>>10615240
>Kevin hart

[Anonymous No.10617675]

>>10617225
>Steinbeck
>Twain

>

[Anonymous No.10618292]

>>10614088
How can somebody be this mentally handicapped?

[Anonymous No.10619362]

>>10617675
No one, I repet, no one, reads Mark Twain (or Dickens) outside of the anglosphere, and every non-anglophone who's into Steinbeck I know are into him more thanks to his communist leanings than anything else.

[Anonymous No.10619368]

>>10619362
Lol I bet you repet your mom's pussy

[Anonymous No.10619521]

>>10614088
>all these bucktoothed brainlets taking the b8
Thank you for your service

[Anonymous No.10619543]

>>10616087
You actually fucked yourself hard by posting this, since it includes the tens of millions of foreigners dwelling here. On the other hand, your foreigners have actually improved your iq average.

Nice try, though. Maybe even low stock convicts can produce a Melville, given enough time.

[Anonymous No.10619553]

>>10617102
>both the most and best
Kek, there are whole centuries of your literary history consisting mainly of imitating the continent

[Anonymous No.10619613]

Atwood, Bush, Ballantyne

[Anonymous No.10619654]

>>10619613
>Atwood

[Anonymous No.10619715]

>>10619362
Mark Twain is very well known in Germany though.

[Anonymous No.10619733]

>canon
Not an argument.
Fred Wah is better than pretty much every American writer.

[Anonymous No.10619742]

>>10614779
>turbulent
Because that's all you've been taught, merrimutt.
kys subuman retard

[Anonymous No.10619756]

>>10619733
>Fred Wah is better than pretty much every American writer.

[Anonymous No.10619763]

>>10619742
>cultureless provincial tries to cope

[Anonymous No.10619852]

>>10614963
Yeah you're right Australia has never had any problems, you definitely know what you're talking about. Also social issues have a direct correlation with great writers, which is why Somalia has so many good writers. Once again, you're right and you have an incredibly high IQ.

[Anonymous No.10619881]

>>10619852
Lol you failed to comprehend his post written in basic english
U are dumb

[Anonymous No.10619932]

>>10616907
Lol, incredible pseud post. I find it amusing that you lead off with larkin, entry-level posterboy for edgy dank teens. I further suspect that you have read fewer than 10 of these "writers," most of whom fall into two categories: "secondary school" or "Literally who?" There are only two writers on your list who are worth a second look, ishiguro and hill.

[Anonymous No.10619976]

>>10619932
Its a bait response to a bait post, its begging to be ignored.

[Anonymous No.10619983]

>>10615240
>Malcolm Lowry
No, he was British

[Anonymous No.10620083]

>>10614386
langston hughes is good but that's it

[Anonymous No.10620311]

>>10614088
>this many people responding sincerely to a post that names "Seuss" as a member of the Western canon
I think Americans are considered bad at irony because non-Americans literally can't recognize when they're doing it

[Anonymous No.10620343]

>>10619715
He's very well known everywhere because he's a "canonical" writer from the cultural capital of the world, he's just not read or studied at any serious level outside of the anglosphere. I mean, consider Shakespeare, a bunch of the shit he's hailed for relies more on the dominancy of the british Empire than his own originality. I'm not even saying he's bad (like Twain is), just that Bocaccio, Rabelais and even Chaucer had beat him at his own game before he was even born.
I mean, I'm not looking into this now or anytime soon, but I bet if you go back enough you'll even find Shakespeare's "victory" over Chaucer somewhat sociopolitical. I'd even bet on Chaucer's catholicism being the reason.

[Anonymous No.10620379]

>>10614721
Canada really does have potential. I see Canada, especially the Anglo and Québécois sub-cultures as slumbering giants. I feel as though we are reaching a cultural crescendo and once we hit a certain note our ethos will crystallize very suddenly and we will have an incredible output of great literary content. I believe this will happen with Quebec separation.

[Anonymous No.10620410]

>>10620379
If those cultures ever had potential, they've missed their chance to fulfill it. Quebec is never going to separate, it's instead going to be dumped full of immigrants that vote correctly and forever attach forever attach it to the Great Satan. The minority share of the overall population is going to double to 40% of all of Canada over the next 20 years.

There will be no Canada
There will be no Quebec
There will only be the Great American Shopping Mall

[Anonymous No.10620422]

>>10619543
> tens of millions of foreigners
> 30million pop

kek

[Anonymous No.10620922]

>>10620422
>provincial attempts to read

[Anonymous No.10620928]

>>10620343
That's objectively false, don't make up lies to suit your agenda.

[Anonymous No.10620932]

>>10620343
>just that Bocaccio, Rabelais and even Chaucer had beat him at his own game before he was even born.
Why do people like you exist?

[Anonymous No.10620936]

>>10620343
>. I'd even bet on Chaucer's catholicism being the reason.
lol this board is so fucking dumb

[Anonymous No.10621045]

>>10620343
>Shakespeare wasn't Catholic
Hahahaha wew lad. Are you fucking retarded. THEY'RE BOTH KNOWN CATHOLICS

And Twain was the most famous author alive and his books defined his time and place.

[Anonymous No.10621051]

>>10621045
>THEY'RE BOTH KNOWN CATHOLICS

[Anonymous No.10621280]

>>10613952
Kek

[Anonymous No.10621555]

>tfw trying to get published in New Zealand but there's almost no audience for anything
Why does nobody in this country do anything

[Anonymous No.10621783]

>>10619852
Somalia is famous in Africa for its writers tho. That and the poetry are what they boast about.

T- Ethiopian who suffers through impromptu "poetry" contests.

It's a fact that war makes books and art better

[Anonymous No.10622203]

>>10621051
> they weren’t Catholic

[Anonymous No.10622219]

>>10622203
>Shakespeare was Catholic

[Anonymous No.10622288]

> what is Hamlet
(hint: purgatory is a Catholic concept)

[Anonymous No.10622293]

>>10614403
that cartoon is boomer-posting distilled

[Anonymous No.10622295]

>>10613947
I can only speak for Australia, but we have both a tiny population and a stridently anti intellectual culture. Thus, no good artists/creators.

[Anonymous No.10622298]

>>10616949

The goods news is that for budding writers the talent pool is shallow at least so any success you have will be recognised by your peers more easily

[Anonymous No.10622299]

>>10622288
>King Hamlet
>in purgatory and not hell

[Anonymous No.10622307]

>>10622295
It's kind of ironic, because Australia and NZ probably have a better education system than GB and the USA

[Anonymous No.10622309]

>>10622307
>It's kind of ironic, because Australia and NZ probably have a better education system than GB and the USA

[Anonymous No.10622369]

>>10613947

[Anonymous No.10622378]

>>10622299
> literal unresolved issues needing to be resolved before release
> but it’s not purgatory
Fucking prots

[Anonymous No.10622382]

>>10622309
Per capita, we(AU) have a greater number of unis in the top 100.

[Anonymous No.10622416]

>>10616907
Three fourths of this list are children's writers not read outside of england

[Anonymous No.10622436]

>>10622382
I'm not sure if you're underaged or not, but Australian unis are shameless degree mills.

I go to a Go8 that's in the Top 100, and I've had multiple lecturers tell us that teaching is secondary for them; it's all about research output. There are some that care, but from 9/10 classes you're getting the same copy/paste material and lecture slides that last semester got, with a lecturer that would much rather be pumping out papers than giving you a world class education.

They let absolutely anyone in too, classes are fucking massive and most people just want to get a degree and get out; not really the bastion of intellectual discourse that universities would have you believe.

So yeah, not really sure what you're talking about, but talk to people in industry, any Australian workforce at all, and you'll see that a uni degree is just a piece of paper.

[Anonymous No.10622470]

>>10622436
That’s the way unis might be headed, and I’ve heard from a few people still in academia that publication is the only thing admin wants. That doesn’t change the fact that the US has exactly the same things happening, and we’ve still got a few competent departments left per uni.

Any chance of informing us exactly what your department/uni is, oh esteemed undergrad.

[Anonymous No.10622474]

>>10614735
no. mostly just the poor and destitute. america was a shithole. but it had potatoes.

[Anonymous No.10622507]

Because the "canon" is masturbatory nonsense.

You might as well start using goodreads 100 or the imdb 100 as scripture.

[Anonymous No.10622521]

>>10622309
>american system lists shithole american schools first
lmao you can't make this up.
kys

[Anonymous No.10622525]

>>10622436
American universities are degree mills, universally.

[Anonymous No.10622581]

>>10622307
>NZ
Not
Certified to
Educate
Anyone
(Serious answer - we used to have a quality education system but it took a fucking nosedive in the last decade thanks to National Standards, the way the government shat all over the teachers everywhere, right from primary school up, and the horror that is NCEA and how it dumbs down almost all high school subjects something obscene.

[Anonymous No.10622590]

>>10622309
Do you actually understand university rankings? Universities are ranked based on research, not necessarily quality of education. There are endless horror stories of terrible standards of education you'll hear from anyone who went to Harvard or Cambridge.
University research, yes, the US is high quality because it has the money to throw at nearly anything. In terms of educational quality, its reputation isn't nearly as strong.

[Anonymous No.10622599]

>>10622436
>I go to a Go8 that's in the Top 100, and I've had multiple lecturers tell us that teaching is secondary for them; it's all about research output
Yes, exactly. But really, what are you expecting as an alternative? Someone who's gone through years of a PhD and years of a postdoc and got up to the rank of Senior Reader or above where they might be giving lectures now to also take the time to now change focus to getting educational qualifications as well? Research is their priority because they've spent a huge amount of time on that, they can't be asked to also become proper teachers beyond a good-faith agreement and a hope that they'll do their honest best for the students. But they can't put you first. That's not fair on them.

[Anonymous No.10622623]

>>10620379
I really think Canada has absolutely no potential to produce anything culturally relevant, be it in the Americans, Europe or Asia. Canada is basically an American cultural colony at this point. Your actors try to make it in the US, the same with singers and writers. By 'trying to make it' on the other side of the border, they basically accept the American paradigms and mongrelize Canada with it. You guys are forever doomed to being an irrelevant, albeit developed, country.

[Anonymous No.10623399]

>>10620343
>Bocaccio, Rabelais and even Chaucer had beat him at his own game
Now THIS is posturing. Fuck off you tryhard contrarian cunt.

[Anonymous No.10624373]

>>10622474
80% of your people went back, so you're really only describing your ancestors

[Anonymous No.10624381]

>>10622382
>>10622470
>>10622590
Cope

[Anonymous No.10624393]

>>10622623
english Canada*

[Anonymous No.10624567]

>>10614131
Long Island is still in New York

[Anonymous No.10624577]

The question should be why has the US produced so many, not why other countries haven't. Ireland is an even bigger writers per capita country.