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so, what is consciousness?

>> No.10575753

Being aware

>> No.10575833

>>10575711
itz like...being conscious n sheit...

>> No.10575838

consciousness is consciousness of something

>> No.10575847

>>10575711
Non-physical property of physical substance

>> No.10575862

>>>/sci/

Grow up philosophy fags

>> No.10575913

>>10575711
Consciousness is the mind or be it vice reversa? A question that has pushed the great thinkers to the limits for time in memorial, I will thus answer with a riddle. Consciousness is to Life as software is to the computer, in a never ending quantum entaglement of the mind

>> No.10575926

The soul is conscious and consciousness

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>>10575926
>soul

>> No.10575966

No one knows

>> No.10576025

>>10575711
your mom

>> No.10576034

Why do analytics and STEMfags respond to the hard problem by becoming a tard problem?

>> No.10576080

>>10576034
If you want my serious answer as a pragmatic phenomenonologist, I say it is a phenomenon produced where biosemiotics are symbolized and serve as scaffolding for higher order biosemiotics to thus interpret it.
For example the perception of light is thus symbolized in an animals brain, which then percieves the initial perception. It's more complicated than this and gets into the logical nature of signs and their dynamics, let alone semantic issues about what is meant by consciousness (it's an inept concept if you ask me, it needs to become an anachronism ASAP) but that is pretty much how it works.

>> No.10576107

>>10576080
>>10576034
Holy shit you are so fucking stupid

>> No.10576185

>>10575711
Am I couscous? That question turns up in my head sometimes and I immediately become more aware of my surroundings and of myself. However, I'm not aware of everything in my surroundings or of everything that I am. When I'm doing something like reading, I'm fully immersed in what I'm reading and not I'm questioning what I am or what's around me. It's almost like I'm not even there. The best explanation might be material. I'd say that it's what we're experiencing being filtered through our brain. Unless you have seizures and schizophrenia, that experience is limited so that it could make sense. Instead of constantly being fed all of the useless information, you're experiencing just a bit that is important at that moment. This is why the question makes you more aware for a moment. "What is consciousness?" is a question that forces even more questions about yourself and your surroundings and therefore makes you more aware. I have no idea what I wrote anymore, so let's wrap this up. The more a person is self-aware and the more they are aware of their surroundings, the more conscious they are. It might be weird to argue that some people are more conscious than others, but I think the difference between humans is almost irrelevant. I think there is a scale for consciousness primarily because of animals. They might be even more aware of their surroundings than we are, but they lack self reflection and self recognition to be considered as conscious as we are.

>> No.10576228

>>10575711
Consciousness is that which perceives itself, and it is not that which can't be perceived.
It is that which you call 'I', that which wittingly acts, but it is not your whole self but a segment of it.

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>>10576107
quality contribution

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>>10575711
Michael SA Graziano wrote a whole book about it. Turns out it's made up

>> No.10576385

>>10575711
Consciousness is a concept like spirit or soul. It's a word created for its usefulness in conceptual analysis of interpersonal relationships between humans and others. Stupid people mistake it for something that is "objectively" verifiable and identifiable, and they then pursue things like "finding" where consciousness is stored in the body. It's as real as good and evil and knowledge itself (they are real, but they are also wholly dependent on a perspective).

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>>10575711
What ISN'T consciousness?

>> No.10576408

>>10576385
>he fell for the hard nominalism meme

>> No.10576416

>>10575711
A paradox, an impossibility wich is possible, the sound of one hand clapping.

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>>10576307
>perception is consciousness

>> No.10576449

>>10576417
>didn't read the book

>> No.10576455

>>10576449
no shit

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These are the forces that are thought to drive us through life.

>The will to live
Survival and self-preservation (Schopenhauer)

>The will to meaning
The pursuit of finding meaning in life (Kierkegaard)

>The will to power
A desire for domination and success (Nietzsche)

>The will to pleasure
Maximising pleasure and minimising pain (Freud)

Arguments have been made about which is ultimately the most powerful and fundamental force, but in reality they are all connected.

1. Every living being starts with the will to live, the most primitive of the forces, and mostly involves hunting, eating and sleeping i.e. basic life processes, which keeps them happy.

2. Once these are achieved comfortably -- as they have been for the last 3000 years for humans -- a will to meaning is necessary for happiness, otherwise we experience existential dread. A life purpose can effectively keep people happy their entire life.

3. If a person enters a state of existential dread, the will to power takes over, which causes the person to try to excel at something and gain recognition from his peers.

4. If that person is at the bottom of the dominance hierarchy, they will be driven by the will to pleasure and will have no choice but to engage in hedonism and likely fall into an addiction.