There is no reason to actually read fiction right? If you read 1000 fiction books you come out with nothing. If you read 1000 nonfiction books you come out with everything you could want. If you want entertainment just watch movies.

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Anonymous Sat Jan 20 02:53:43 2018 No.10563194 [Reply] [Original]

There is no reason to actually read fiction right? If you read 1000 fiction books you come out with nothing. If you read 1000 nonfiction books you come out with everything you could want. If you want entertainment just watch movies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 02:55:18 2018 No.10563199 >>10563194 Calm down, Noel Gallagher.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 02:55:31 2018 No.10563200 There's a time and place for entertainment. Nonfiction like manuals or journals have their purpose. Fiction is imagination at play. There's value in that

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 02:57:17 2018 No.10563203 >>10563200 I try to read fiction for enjoyment and I do get enjoyment. It's just "fuck I could of spent this week learning something instead of this".

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:00:56 2018 No.10563209 >>10563194 >If you read 1000 nonfiction books If you read 1000 nonfiction books then you've read more fiction than you thought

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:02:20 2018 No.10563218 >>10563209 holocaust was a hoax

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:02:29 2018 No.10563219 >>10563203 > not reading fiction during breaks from right brain work I feel you though . It's too much effort to read modern fiction. Im afraid of being let down in the middle and having my time wasted by boring plots and dull prose.

>>	liam gallagher Sat Jan 20 03:08:30 2018 No.10563234 >>10563199 https://www.google.com.mx/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/books/2013/oct/18/noel-gallagher-fiction-waste-time >this

>>	liam gallagher Sat Jan 20 03:11:09 2018 No.10563238 >>10563199 https://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/oct/18/noel-gallagher-fiction-waste-time >meaning this

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:15:33 2018 No.10563250 >>10563194 but it increases your vocabulary size, which has real world applications and may even translate to profits.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:25:44 2018 No.10563284 >>10563250 Read a dictionary.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:27:52 2018 No.10563293 >>10563194 >he Googled "symptoms of autism in adults" once and thereby scrambles to validate his own autistic aversion to fiction

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:31:56 2018 No.10563301 >>10563194 This argument is ignorant. People most definetly learn moral and life lessons through fiction. Ever heard of a fable op?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:36:44 2018 No.10563312 >>10563301 The only people who learn life lessons through fiction are kids and depressed people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:39:33 2018 No.10563316 >>10563312 What about all the religious adults who learned not to be assholes because of a fiction book based upon morals?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:39:49 2018 No.10563318 What philsphy is encouraging this thread to be made every night? They never have interesting discussion or funny shitposting, even for /lit/ standards, just an OP proclaiming television rots your brain but watching Planet Earth on BBC is enlightening

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:41:16 2018 No.10563319 >>10563316 Shit you're right. I forgot delusional people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:42:21 2018 No.10563323 >>10563312 The Story of Icarus teaches a lot about human stubborness and curioisty.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:42:39 2018 No.10563324 reading is fun

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:45:08 2018 No.10563332 >>10563319 The lesson transcends the fictional world it was told in.

Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:45:54 2018 No.10563333

>>10563319
So what do you read buddy? Biographies? Philosophy? How does learning a bunch of useless shit make you a better person?
Philosophy is basically fiction. Teaches you things of other people's thoughts, there is no true philosophy. Why bring this argument up at all if your so against fiction? Why not just learn from real life events because that's basically what your suggesting.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:45:57 2018 No.10563334 >>10563332 If you need a fictional book to teach you that killing people is bad as an adult you have problems.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:48:01 2018 No.10563338 >>10563333 Quads Have Spoken

Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:48:02 2018 No.10563339

>>10563312
Actually Rousseau argues directly the opposite of this in Emile.

That kids do NOT learn moral lessons through fiction, they lack the interpretive ability to do so. I know that when I was a kid I would not have been able to do this without being needlessly urged by my mentors. In particular, one might say that no one would have without being told to interpret it in a specific way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:48:07 2018 No.10563340 >>10563334 You would be surprised. People are not always rational. They need to learn a lesson by identifying with a character and seeing the fictional mistake unfold. It passes on experience through stories. Its as old as telling a campfire tale.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:50:56 2018 No.10563349 >>10563316 >hurrdurr atheism meme I hate when it gets to yuropoor aka satanic trash time

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:51:38 2018 No.10563351 >>10563333 Chomsky > You

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:56:18 2018 No.10563359 >>10563351 Chomsky > everyone on this board. Your words hold no weight.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:57:35 2018 No.10563362 >>10563359 Chomsky > Dude who has read every work of fiction

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:57:39 2018 No.10563364 >>10563349 Wasn't even memeing ya bud, just giving an example to the ignant op.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:59:05 2018 No.10563368 >>10563362 What are you even trying to say now? Flustered a bit? Give me one Crystal clear example of why your side of the argument makes any more sense than mine. I'll wait.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:01:55 2018 No.10563378 >>10563368 If you only read every work of fiction in existence you will still be nothing compared to someone who is an expert in (most) nonfiction subjects.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:03:05 2018 No.10563383 >>10563378 Not him but I agree with this, yes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:05:20 2018 No.10563388 >>10563284 And you want to talk about wasting time

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:07:19 2018 No.10563392 >>10563388 You could probably find some nonfiction book that will you teach useful vocabulary for daily life/politics/writing that will be much more helpful and efficient than a bunch of fiction.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:07:27 2018 No.10563393 >>10563378 And yes I can agree to what your saying, even though what you are saying is completely illogical.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:09:43 2018 No.10563397 >>10563378 But can you also agree with the fact that some, and I'm not saying all fiction, (because let's be honest a lot of fiction there is barely anything too learn) can I'm fact teach you something worthy of the time spent reading it?

Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:16:33 2018 No.10563414

>>10563397
I do agree. It's just who wants to spend the time reading fiction to maybe find a book that eventually that speaks to you. If you are doing it for enjoyment great but most of the time you are getting only that. If you read the classics because you want to learn something or seem smart it's a waste of time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:19:20 2018 No.10563419 >>10563414 Sometimes it is more useful to hide a lesson in a story, some lessons are better learned when it's not just blatantly told to you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:23:00 2018 No.10563430 >>10563414 Well I'm glad we can leave on some type of agreement, this is what I call a productive /lit/ talk. I respect your opinion, as it is as valid as mine. You have good night my man.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:24:05 2018 No.10563432 >>10563419 Agreed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:24:08 2018 No.10563433 >implying both are opposed Read Moby Dick

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:24:30 2018 No.10563434 File: 76 KB, 940x646, iv.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10563430

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:24:39 2018 No.10563435 >>10563430 Shut the fuck up and read the Greeks you illiterate faggot

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:25:35 2018 No.10563436 >>10563419 Can you give an example of some lessons you have learned in fiction that have changed you as a person?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:27:54 2018 No.10563443 >>10563435 proceeds too pick up the Greeks too read while systematically getting fucked in the ass you too bud

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:28:51 2018 No.10563444 >>10563435 i wish i said this

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:29:11 2018 No.10563445 >>10563443 Atta boy :) Lol have a good night though

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:30:26 2018 No.10563447 >>10563445 dont let the bed bugs bite

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:30:57 2018 No.10563449 >>10563445 Lmfao fuckin A mate, you too man

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:31:47 2018 No.10563451 >>10563449 What is going on. There is like 4 people here replying to him.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:34:26 2018 No.10563456 >>10563451 The guy who said this >>10563449 >>10563443 >>10563430 Is the other main debater, me, idk bout the others they just wanna wish the man a happy night and good rest. What so wrong with that? GOODNIGHT TOO ALL, SLEEP EASY MY FRIENDS

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:40:07 2018 No.10563464 >>10563436 The Bible. A lot of people dedicate the end of every week to learning from it.

Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:40:45 2018 No.10563467

Why would you come to /lit/ and say this? Go to /his/ or /sci/ or something. Anyways you can get perspective from fiction, like listening to someone tell you a story about something that happened to them. Just because a fiction book didn't actually happen doesn't mean the author isn't pulling from his life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:42:04 2018 No.10563472 >>10563464 We already talked about delusional people scroll up.

Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:43:00 2018 No.10563474

>>10563194
the value of fiction for me was this
>>10563250
Frenchfag here. In order to look good in daddy s society you re supposed to say you read and enjoy a certain number of classic fiction authors and know your wines. However at some point you read Bourdieu and realize that shitposting is the future of written cultures.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:44:23 2018 No.10563476 >>10563472 >Delusional Dropped

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:59:17 2018 No.10563505 Nonfiction is merely peer-reviewed fiction. Discuss.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 05:04:23 2018 No.10563515 File: 76 KB, 554x1083, 649.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10563505 would you fuck this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 05:07:14 2018 No.10563523 >>10563467 Very much agree with this. You can learn different perspectives and get a lesson in empathy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 05:27:33 2018 No.10563567 >>10563334 Most people actually think killing people is ok, and it probably is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 05:31:43 2018 No.10563573 File: 81 KB, 564x570, 1493669028926-2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10563194

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 05:31:48 2018 No.10563574 >>10563194 >muh utility is this why the arts are dying?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 05:34:32 2018 No.10563579 >>10563574 Equality made men utility, the new men made everything else into utility. Architecture is the most visible representation of this. >There is no need for beauty t. pleb/merchant

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 05:39:11 2018 No.10563584 Animal farm is fiction but still allows even children to understand that communism is a horrible idea because of the failings of humans. Fiction is a vehicle to understand vague concepts that non fiction simply might describe in a shallow way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 05:43:33 2018 No.10563587 >>10563584 >Animal farm is fiction but still allows even children to understand that communism is a horrible idea because of the failings of humans. apparently not since that's not the point of the book at all lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 05:48:20 2018 No.10563597 >>10563584 lmao

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 05:59:36 2018 No.10563617 >>10563587 +1

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 06:54:27 2018 No.10563736 >>10563434 >>10563430 god you fucking redditors make me sick

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 15:03:57 2018 No.10565175 >>10563587 >>10563597 lol omg it wasn't about communism and how it leads to cult of personality at all it was about mean pigs and a horse. lol omg /lit/

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 15:12:53 2018 No.10565215 >>10563515 ya why not

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 15:14:07 2018 No.10565221 >>10563194 Reminder that using 4chan is a bigger waste of time than reading fiction. You're no better than people who read fiction.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 15:15:10 2018 No.10565225 >be /lit/ >deride fiction readers >read bible

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 15:15:27 2018 No.10565227 >>10563194 >If you want entertainment just watch movies. Imagine being this stupid

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 15:18:53 2018 No.10565241 File: 542 KB, 1483x2000, 1516225249913.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10563351 >Noam "The Gnome Stop Wearing Glasses" Chomsky

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 15:21:04 2018 No.10565254 >>10563573 explain ? seems weirdly interesting

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 15:22:09 2018 No.10565260 >>10563194 >watching movies is fine >apparently, shitposting on 4chan is fine >but reading fiction is a waste of time I don't understand this logic.

>>	Wandering !!td+pyV3lGQN Sat Jan 20 15:22:10 2018 No.10565261 Reading nonfiction can be potentially destructive while fiction can't. Would you like to have 1000 books worth of untrue garbage floating around in your head?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 15:24:15 2018 No.10565271 >>10565227 Film is arguably a more powerful art form than literature. Still far too early to tell

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 15:45:13 2018 No.10565372 >>10565261 >fiction can't be destructive a whole generation of germans an hero'd after reading werther

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 15:49:05 2018 No.10565388 >>10563194 It's entertainment, it is what people want. The people that say entertainment is worthless are either slaves or trying to make them.(or depressed/mentally ill)

Anonymous Sat Jan 20 15:52:37 2018 No.10565407

>>10563203
Do you feel this way about all art?
Do you feel all of human experience is adewuately depicted by cognitive psychology and neuroscience and brain scans?
Do you find Richard Dawkins et al's reductive scientism intellectually convincing?
If so then yes, you;re wasting your time reading. If not the 'point' is very self-evident.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 15:54:48 2018 No.10565421 >>10565175 The state of the American mind:(

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 17:44:01 2018 No.10565830 >>10565221 not necessarily, reading /lit/ actually allows you to skip through many long and not worthy novels

>>	Wandering !!td+pyV3lGQN Sat Jan 20 18:37:16 2018 No.10566075 >>10565372 They were going to kill themselves anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 21:23:57 2018 No.10566764 File: 1.30 MB, 1440x1080, MOljUrQ.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10563194 ok OP, but if this thread is about nonfication then why did you post a pic of a scientist who engaged in fictional hypothesis that have been disproven?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 21:31:54 2018 No.10566794 >>10563334 >murder is self-evidently wrong >just think about it >its not cuz I grew up in a culture based on certain religious metaphysics

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 21:42:44 2018 No.10566820 >>10566764 >scientist

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 21:49:47 2018 No.10566846 >>10563364 You were memeing, it was just a countermeme and the OP was so autistic he ran with it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 21:52:53 2018 No.10566854 >>10565260 With film you can get better entertainment and escapism than the week it takes to read a novel. So watch one film and then keep reading nonfiction. No wasting time on fiction.

Anonymous Sat Jan 20 22:10:49 2018 No.10566905

>>10563203
This was dirty habit I had from college years ago except the opposite. I didn't read anything that did not fortify my current work or studies and dropped fiction all together. I do not regret it but it really is hard to get back into fiction again.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 22:20:01 2018 No.10566921 high brow fiction is as intellectually stimulating and useful as any non fiction you massive faggot (inb4 I could read a thousand STEM textbooks hurdur)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 22:24:51 2018 No.10566931 There's nothing wrong with fiction. Genre fiction on the other hand is worthless.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 22:29:27 2018 No.10566938 Even as a baby I would reach for an animal encyclopedia over Dr Seuss for a bed time story. My mom just sat their and told me about animals in alphabetical order. I'm still more or less the same.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 22:34:11 2018 No.10566952 >>10566931 Sci-Fi, Horror, Mystery and Westerns are the greatest genres of storytelling. Straight dramas and anything non-horror/mystery that takes place in the modern day is shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 22:35:08 2018 No.10566954 >>10563194 >its just entertainment Neck yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 22:46:29 2018 No.10566988 >>10563194 You do come out with something, feelings and memories of characters and moments your mind found interesting.

Anonymous Sat Jan 20 23:19:18 2018 No.10567075
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>Autistic guys talking about effiency of non fiction

You basically killed art. Now I understand why we have a whole generation of social retards: lack of empathy. Through fiction you can see the thoughts of a guy, not through a mental masturbation but experiencing his relation with his environment. This explain why writers like Dostoievski or Tolstoi are great, they truly knew what is to live.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 23:34:28 2018 No.10567127 >>10567075 Tolstoy thought film was a better medium than literature for both conveying emotion and as an overall art form.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 23:36:06 2018 No.10567133 >nonfiction means science and manuals philosophy is nonfiction and all the crap said above about "morals" can be learned by reading treatises on ethics

Anonymous Sat Jan 20 23:41:45 2018 No.10567150

>>10567133
>all the crap said above about "morals" can be learned by reading treatises on ethics

Not really. You can read the theory about it, but you won't feel any real empathy. People aren't invested in "treatises on ethics". Fiction is better in this respect. That's why The Bible has been controlling the masses via fiction all these years.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 23:42:53 2018 No.10567153 >>10567150 People are, in fact, invested in "theory", "ethics" and all of that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 23:45:11 2018 No.10567160 I think everyone can agree poetry is the worst form of writing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 23:46:02 2018 No.10567161 >>10567153 An 8 yo invested in treatises? Alright.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 23:48:05 2018 No.10567166 >>10567161 Perhaps not in treatises, but in his parents simply and straightforwardly talking to him about what's right and wrong. No fiction is -necessarily- involved.

Anonymous Sat Jan 20 23:49:02 2018 No.10567173
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Fiction gives you the ability to better read between the lines. It makes you more empathic. It teaches you about life. It inspires the mind toward real life subject matter.

Works of fiction aren't just fake stories or simply entertainment. Most of them are lengthy fables or commentaries on real life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 23:51:37 2018 No.10567182 >>10567173 Are 30 year olds still getting life lessons from fables?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 23:53:18 2018 No.10567186 >>10567182 I was implying that lessons on morality and ethics can be got from fiction. And yes, adults can improve their ethics; there's an entire field of study devoted to that subject.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 23:55:03 2018 No.10567193 >>10567182 are you retarded?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 23:57:07 2018 No.10567201 >>10567186 Maybe for fucked up people who do meth and shit but for normal sane people there is nothing to get from fiction.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 00:09:36 2018 No.10567231 File: 19 KB, 500x590, 1506562044744.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10567201 That's a great argument and one I had not considered. Thank you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 00:16:05 2018 No.10567247 File: 13 KB, 200x200, guy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10563238 Jesus, now I have to think of this fucking retarded sentiment every time Wonderwall comes on the radio? Pretty close-minded, especially coming from an artist.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 01:14:08 2018 No.10567374 >>10563194 Fiction is more real than non-fiction.

Anonymous Sun Jan 21 01:52:33 2018 No.10567469

All of these arguments imply that fiction is separate from the real world. This is incorrect. Fiction is born of the human mind--and the human mind being made of information, stimuli, and experience from the real world--is thus a reflection of the real world in varying extents.

A book could affirm the values of the society one lives in, or it could challenge them. A book could also venerate or condemn certain values, beliefs, or ideas by putting them in far-fetched situations. An example of this would be the veneration of heroism and selflessness common in the fantasy genre. The values are placed against the backdrop of a fantastic setting, and stand out all the more for it.

Fiction exerts an effect on all those who read it, precisely because, no matter how fantastical, it reflects and contains at least some material from the real world. Just as an example, a thousand studies about the benefits of being kind and giving to others will not be as convincing or far-reaching as the axiom "love thy neighbor as thy self" from the Bible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 01:55:52 2018 No.10567481 >>10563194 all art is quite useless

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 02:38:13 2018 No.10567611 >>10567469 everyone knows this and it's irrelevant to the stances in this thread both for and against

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 02:40:16 2018 No.10567618 >>10567611 its the truth and the only reason this argument is still going on

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 02:46:24 2018 No.10567644 there is a difference between general fiction and mythology

Anonymous Sun Jan 21 02:48:19 2018 No.10567656

Is there any sort of demand for a book about modern Afghan history and what's led it to become the quagmire it currently is?

I work with a very wide cast of Afghan natives from varied social classes who've lived through various periods in modern Afghanistan, from the Soviet Invasion up through to even a few years ago. Some have ties to current Afghan politicians even. I know that I could put together a huge set of first-hand accounts, but verifying the veracity of the information would be a difficult task.

I don't really have a political agenda with the book, actually the more I learn about the current situation and its causes I'm more torn on what a solution for western involvement there would even look like.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 02:50:09 2018 No.10567661 >>10567656 Actually, I do have extremely strong anti-islamic views which would definitely bleed into the writing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 03:01:15 2018 No.10567711 >Chomsky isn't fiction

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 03:12:54 2018 No.10567742 Plebs stink

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 03:20:26 2018 No.10567756 >>10567711 Source?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 03:22:20 2018 No.10567762 >>10563573 This painting really makes me angry because it's limited eternity - everything is within sight but it's incomprehensible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 03:28:22 2018 No.10567778 >>10567127 kek

Anonymous Sun Jan 21 03:41:18 2018 No.10567799

>>10563284
>Read a dictionary.
Different anon, here, but I have spent countless hours chaining from entry to entry in a dictionary. This can be especially revealing when you get to the cognates between English and Deutsch. The evolution of both languages is revealed and you see the purpose behind the evolution. Karl Schmidt wrote a book on this. If you have a decent grasp of both languages then you can often derive the meaning of an unknown word by either ignoring the spelling and listening to the pronunciation or the other way around.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 03:56:45 2018 No.10567826 >>10566952 just leave please

Anonymous Sun Jan 21 04:59:59 2018 No.10567932

>>10563194

It's fun.

>If you want entertainment just watch movies.

Anon, anon, you tried to save yourself at the last moment, but you know this does not hold.
This is like having a particular kink: don't judge, and let people do what they like, as long as they don't harm others.

Anonymous Sun Jan 21 05:49:24 2018 No.10568015

>>10567173
> Fiction gives you the ability to better read between the lines.
The skill of interpretation is valuable, however, most of the people who read fiction extensively, start seeing patterns and symbols where there are none. Thus, they miss the point entirely ... (which is purely entertainment).
If you talk about understanding hidden meaning and motives of people around you, evolutionary psychology does it better.
> It makes you more empathic.
Too much empathy makes you anxious and neurotic. Also, if we consider literature up to the 20th century, I argue that there is a very limited amount of behavioural universals you can learn from the writings. That is the case because culture is very important. For instance, Anna Karenina represents the idea that if you leave your husband you become a whore. And you would probably go down the drain in the 19th century Imperial Russia which is clearly not the case in the 21st century.
> It inspires the mind toward real life subject matter.
watch the news then
> Works of fiction aren't just fake stories or simply entertainment.
Yes they are , that's the definition of fiction.
> Most of them are lengthy fables or commentaries on real life.
What is the value of these comments?
Guys, everything written about human condition (if that's what you're interested in) before Darwin can be skipped.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 06:52:42 2018 No.10568102 >>10568015 >evopsych you had reasonable points but can't be taken seriously after this

Anonymous Sun Jan 21 09:06:06 2018 No.10568350

>>10568015
>The skill of interpretation is valuable, however
It is literally the only reason a good non-world-building author writes fiction. Mortimer J. Adler said that every single book was trying to say something. Every single one had a message it was trying to convey. Something it was trying to get across.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 09:08:50 2018 No.10568356 File: 31 KB, 485x443, 1507355088124.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10568015 >For instance, Anna Karenina represents the idea that if you leave your husband you become a whore.

Anonymous Sun Jan 21 09:09:52 2018 No.10568359
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>The things you know best are: first, those you know intuitively; second, those you've learned from experience; third, those you've learned not from but through books and the ideas they've inspired in you; and finally, those you've learned in books and from your teachers.

Anonymous Sun Jan 21 10:15:32 2018 No.10568574

>>10563194
>If you read 1000 fiction books you come out with nothing
I improve my dictionary.
>If you want entertainment just watch movies
I want to do things at my own pace. I can read at my own pace, while the movie is at a standard pace only.
Plus, it's art, fucktard. You could say the same thing about movies - why watch fiction movies when you can watch documentaries. Why listen to music when you can listen to nonfiction audiobooks or lectures.
This argument is literally retarded.
When you read 1000 nonfiction books and die at the end you gain nothing either way.

Anonymous Sun Jan 21 10:24:50 2018 No.10568620

>>10563194

Fiction exists because authors had something important to say. There's a reason that Plato used the 'dialogue' format to express his ideas. There's a reason Seneca wrote plays. There's a reason modern philosophers published novels.

I'll give you a hint - that reason wasn't for entertainment. If all you can get out their works is entertainment, then it's you who are the problem, not the works.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 12:34:05 2018 No.10569179 File: 29 KB, 700x530, 1512592897002.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10568015 >evolutionary psychology does it better This is /lit/ 2018

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 13:49:21 2018 No.10569502 >>10563203 All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 13:57:01 2018 No.10569544 >>10563194 Imagine being this retarded

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/lit/ - Literature