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[Anonymous No.10505234]

What comes after post-modernism?

[Anonymous No.10505242]

>>10505234
whatever you desire

[Anonymous No.10505243]

>>10505234
large posteriors and confused ducklings.

[Anonymous No.10505247]

post-post-modernism

[Anonymous No.10505254]

The day of judgement.

[Anonymous No.10505259]

Mandarin

[Anonymous No.10505265]

>>10505234
Pre-Modern-> Clear narrative traditions based on a cultures respective religious and national backgrounds
Modernism-> The attempt to create a Metropolitan world narrative that transcends any given particularity of a culture
Post-Modern-> The breakdown of the modernist project. Giving up of having an overarching conception of reality towards a merely negative state of ambiguity and incoherency

Now we come to what we are seeing today
The ghettoization of human culture. Groups reforming their own individual narratives completely disinterested in compromise or dialogue with outgroups. Its essentially like a strange walk backwards from Modernism back to Pre-Modernism

[Anonymous No.10505271]

>>10505234
Post Retro Decadent

[Anonymous No.10505274]

Pre-post-post modern surreal sincerity

[Anonymous No.10505277]

>>10505265

[Anonymous No.10505278]

new sincerity

[Anonymous No.10505281]

>>10505234
Certainly not what hack faggot Wallace tried to do.

[Anonymous No.10505285]

>>10505281
He knew this, but he was hoping he would be wrong

[Anonymous No.10505287]

>>10505278
Cornball Reconstruction

[Anonymous No.10505293]

postliteracy

[Anonymous No.10505353]

The realization that the socio-artistic narrative is more an ideological vehicle for competing power structures and less a linear evolution of thought based in history. The shift of patronage (very roughly the church then monarchs then republics then capitalists) reveals a pattern of funding artistic coups dethroning the old gods, giving the new ones a chance in the seat.

Don Quixote is more "post-modern" than Infinite Jest.

[Anonymous No.10505359]

>>10505353
wtf i hate don quixote now

[Anonymous No.10505366]

psuedo-modernism
post-postmodernism
transmodernism
metamodernism
post-millenialism
millienialsm
new sincerity
post-irony

Who the fuck knows, I guess its whatever we all decide on. Thought what are even the characteristic of this post-postmodern era? I feel like we are still in a postmodern era.

[Anonymous No.10505368]

>>10505287
lol

[Anonymous No.10505369]

Sehnsucht

[Anonymous No.10505373]

Nothing. We have reached the end of history

[Anonymous No.10505374]

>>10505234
It's a dead-end, since it is based on fallacious presuppositions of reality.

[Anonymous No.10505375]

post-modernism is the peak of reason there is no way to go beyond it

[Anonymous No.10505385]

>though has come so far that we no longer think about what is but what will be
>humans have (tried) deconstructing everything there "is" and now we're just waiting for more shit to pop into existence so we can also deconstruct that
maeks u tink

[Anonymous No.10505390]

>>10505385
Not really

[Anonymous No.10505398]

>>10505366
psuedo-modernism is the best term to describe >>10505265

The biggest new problem with the internet age is that the flow of information has overlapped our ability as a society to deal with it.
It used to be we thought that science and expert opinion controlled which points of view were legitimate
But now you can find someone from literally any political and cultural background and they will be able to argue their case in a fairly convincing and "fact" based way. Just because they have a whole community of people developing the same ideas 24/7
Instead of information controlling our points of view, we choose which point of view to subscribe to and try to control information from there and its hard to argue with it
Do I want to be a Nazi? I can just start posting on /pol/ and stormfront and all the arguments and facts I'll need will be there
Do I want to be a radical liberal? Just head on over to SJW twitter

What seperates post-modernism from the current situation is essentially a hermeneutic overload and its something which is very specific to the internet as a cultural force

[Anonymous No.10505428]

Holy shit, everybody in this thread is an underaged teen pseud with le epic ideas about philosophy. When did so many unread children come here? Is it just the nature of shitty threads that aren't about books like this?

[Anonymous No.10505431]

>>10505234
The present days.

Post-modernism is just a reaction to modernism, it can't go on forever. A reaction is something that comes 'right after' the thing, by definition. And it's not like there's that much to react to anyways.

[Anonymous No.10505437]

>>10505428
Jordan Peterson + reddit

[Anonymous No.10505439]

>>10505234
Double Secret Probation Modernism

[Anonymous No.10505441]

>>10505428
oh shit we got a heavyweight in here

looking forward to your post by post tear down

[Anonymous No.10505446]

metamodernism

[Anonymous No.10505454]

>>10505441
>reddit spacing

[Anonymous No.10505456]

>>10505441
What is there to tear down, retard? No poster here has even defined post-modernism in a coherent way, that doesn't reek of just having heard other people define it and thinking that makes you knowledgeable yourself.

>>10505437
Sadly. We need /lit/-specific captchas.

[Anonymous No.10505462]

lit kune do

[Anonymous No.10505464]

full transhumanism, brains augmented by AI and comprehending shit you can't even conceive in your darkest mid-fap fantasies or amphetamine-fueled postgrad cramming sessions

[Anonymous No.10505465]

>>10505454
fucking btfo

[Anonymous No.10505467]

>>10505428
Nice argument

[Anonymous No.10505468]

>>10505431
>pic
I'm surprised there weren't any skills associated with increasing social link ranks in P3

[Anonymous No.10505469]

>>10505456
Postmodernism is a catch-all name. Don't blame people for having a flimsy understanding of it, it's because it's a flimsy category to begin with.

[Anonymous No.10505472]

>>10505456
In fairness, isn't defining postmodernism a difficult task? What, exactly, is postmodernism? I've seen multiple definitions.

[Anonymous No.10505476]

>>10505456
Literally what is wrong with defining Post-modernism as the loss of the modernist dream of a cosmopolitan narrative of reality

[Anonymous No.10505480]

Modernism -> Plato
Postmodernism -> Sophists

[Anonymous No.10505485]

>>10505234
Nothing.

[Anonymous No.10505491]

>>10505480

[Anonymous No.10505493]

>>10505480
More like Postmodernism-> Diogenes

[Anonymous No.10505494]

>>10505468
If you try to kiss chihiro too early she gets upset and the s link regresses

[Anonymous No.10505496]

>>10505493
diogenes did nothing wrong

[Anonymous No.10505518]

Post modernism

[Anonymous No.10505522]

>>10505476
>the "loss of the modernist dream"
>a "cosmopolitan narrative of reality"
Jesus Christ
You haven't read any philosopher regarded as pomo or post-structuralist (foucalt derrida et al), nor have you read any lit about post-modernism. You heard other people talk about it- maybe on /lit/, maybe on reddit or youtube- and you think that's a sufficient substitution to actual knowledge. Go away, child.

[Anonymous No.10505524]

>>10505469
I'm pretty sure the entire point is that it isn't a movement, it's a rejection of adopting the contemporary intellectual style(in theory, at least)

[Anonymous No.10505525]

>>10505496
>being poor

[Anonymous No.10505530]

>>10505522
>You haven't read any philosopher regarded as pomo or post-structuralist (foucalt derrida et al), nor have you read any lit about post-modernism. You heard other people talk about it- maybe on /lit/, maybe on reddit or youtube- and you think that's a sufficient substitution to actual knowledge. Go away, child.
Not him but this is literally me but with everything

[Anonymous No.10505533]

>>10505522
Actually I have a degree in philosophy from one of the best departments in Europe.
Feel free to provide a counter-definition though, you're not just a pseud talking out of your ass right?

[Anonymous No.10505534]

>>10505525
Poor is an attitude moron. Are you even a neocon?

[Anonymous No.10505537]

>>10505525
>poor
>owned a barrel and a sweet ass lantern

[Anonymous No.10505538]

>>10505534
are you not?

[Anonymous No.10505548]

>>10505538
Kissinger was a Realist not a Neo-Con

[Anonymous No.10505552]

>Annus Domini 2017
>Still conflating literary postmodernism with philosophical postmodernism

[Anonymous No.10505556]

>>10505552
haha anus

[Anonymous No.10505561]

Pleasure domes equipped with dopamine release drips overseen by our technocratic overlords who comprise the only free class apart from THEM

[Anonymous No.10505573]

>>10505561
Why would (((they))) permit poor people to live in such a situation?

[Anonymous No.10505574]

>>10505533
No, you don't. You're not even an adult. This is getting pretty autistic.

[Anonymous No.10505576]

>>10505548
No one is really a Neo-Con. It's a political cloak.

[Anonymous No.10505585]

>>10505574
Thanks for answering my question

[Anonymous No.10505587]

>>10505234
everything else

[Anonymous No.10505592]

>>10505576
No in a position like Kissinger's but there's got to be some useful idiots out there

[Anonymous No.10505595]

Why did dumb niggers have to use the terms "modernist"? It's not gonna be fucking modern anymore. No one else had the arrogance to do that until the 20th century

[Anonymous No.10505651]

>muh rules
>muh rebellion against rules
>muh directionless artistic freedom

[Anonymous No.10505667]

>>10505651
>if i put "muh" in front of things i don't like it makes them wrong!!!

[Anonymous No.10505672]

>>10505667
>muh deconstructing memes

[Anonymous No.10505682]

Poster-Modernsim
Where people critique shit using old rehashed ideas or blatantly regurgitating shit they were taught, because they think it makes them a special snowflake and post it places where they know people will agree with them

[Anonymous No.10505684]

>>10505234
It'll be called modernism redux

But it's really just more post-modernism

[Anonymous No.10505697]

>>10505522
>read the history of sexuality once

[Anonymous No.10505702]

>>10505682
so universities?

[Anonymous No.10505711]

Posteriormodernism

Then postremomodernism

[Anonymous No.10505727]

Black master class, white slaves.
White impoverished mothers will cry on the news about their children being shot by black officers and the pledge of allegiance will be replaced with a ceremonial kneel

[Anonymous No.10505735]

New Insincerity, post-Ironic expression

[Anonymous No.10505769]

>>10505727
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.10505949]

>>10505234
Neo realism

[Anonymous No.10506095]

>>10505234
In relation to philosophy, it's speculative realism according to a professor at my university.

Don't know what it is though.

[Anonymous No.10506214]

>>10506095
Its really fucking depressing is what it is

[Anonymous No.10506240]

>>10506095
speculative realism is dead (already!); bury it. consider this mercy.

[Anonymous No.10506272]

>>10506240
It was a retarded idea to begin with. "Dude let's just pretend X conception of the world is real, whatever X specifically is though, lol philosophy solved"

[Anonymous No.10506313]

>>10505285
Caspere knew this

[Anonymous No.10506326]

>>10505234
meta-humanism

[Anonymous No.10507195]

[Anonymous No.10507221]

>>10505234
The realization that it's always felt like post-modernism. Then we'll get perspective on post-modernism and start calling it something else.

[Anonymous No.10507327]

>Literary movements

[Anonymous No.10507401]

>>10505234
Visceral Realism.

[Anonymous No.10507413]

Probably something where we disregard logic and realize that the only "real" part of the human condition is emotions

[Anonymous No.10507424]

>>10505234
Apply post-modernism to itself and return to old aesthetics with a modern twist. Like that picture of the WWI Austro-Hungarian cavalrymen.

[Anonymous No.10507545]

>>10505234
Hyper-modernism.

[Anonymous No.10507546]

Neomodernism

[Anonymous No.10507627]

prepostpostmodernity

[Anonymous No.10507687]

>>10505242
The only correct answer.

[Anonymous No.10507693]

>>10505234
Suicide

[Anonymous No.10507694]

>>10505534

[Anonymous No.10507707]

>>10505234
Daveposting

[Anonymous No.10507726]

>>10505242
What do I desire? I sometimes get what I wanted but it's really unfulfilling. Then I find something else and I get stuck in a constantly unfulfilling cycle of desire. You might say: "Then find what you need". Even if I do, desire would still be there and it would make sure to keep the emptyness alive.

[Anonymous No.10507878]

>>10505398
good post

[Anonymous No.10507941]

New sincerity with a basis in dialectical naturalism
egoism (unfortunately the retarded misreading of stirner kind, at least primarily. There will be some steadfast factions who are "true" egoists)
Modern Traditionalism
And several different types of random movements that are filled to the brim with nothing but esotericism
I picture a great fracturing of society and each different group will feature one of these types of beliefs (Well, if there is some authoritarian communist faction they might just be some different type of post modernist). That is of course unless the current powers that be finds some way to consolidate more power for themselves and prevents that fracturing, in which case prepare for even MORE neoliberal post modernism

[Anonymous No.10508013]

>>10505398
Interesting.

[Anonymous No.10508022]

>>10505431

I agree. You can't define a thing by what it is not.

[Anonymous No.10508183]

>>10505464
God I wish

[Anonymous No.10508199]

Post postmodernism
Meta modernism
Pseudo sincerity

[Anonymous No.10508202]

We probably should be asking what comes after post-postmodernism by now

[Anonymous No.10508649]

>>10505353
word soup

[Anonymous No.10508650]

>>10505243
only right answer

[Anonymous No.10508657]

IMO THIS NEEDS TO STOP
modern=post-modern until you can define a current trend in art (such as memes) that can mark a cultural touchstone for reference

[Anonymous No.10508671]

>>10505353
Fuck off commie

[Anonymous No.10508704]

>>10507424
Pastiche and remixing is still postmodern.

[Anonymous No.10508723]

>>10505234
Post-Post

[Anonymous No.10508731]

We arrive at a point where thought is so fragmented and ideas are perpetuated so rapidly that everyone becomes their own movement and nothing “big” is ever accomplished again. Movements cease to be.

[Anonymous No.10508737]

Neo-neo classicism.

[Anonymous No.10508767]

>>10505353
Stopped reading at power structure.

[Anonymous No.10508834]

>>10505524
>contemporary
The so called modernism ended half a century ago.

Besides, every man in history has called his own era 'modern'. Post-modernism is the ghost of a ghost

[Anonymous No.10508841]

Atemporality

[Anonymous No.10508870]

>>10507413
>tfw logic actually is the only meta-emotion

[Anonymous No.10508873]

>>10508737
Please no for the love of God

[Anonymous No.10508899]

>>10508737
>>10508873
So basically those alt-right youtube commenters with Roman busts in their profiles

[Anonymous No.10508922]

>>10505234
collapse

[Anonymous No.10508946]

>>10505234
Decay and finally collapse. Then the rebirth into a new cycle of samsara that only the übermensch will inhabit.

[Anonymous No.10508961]

the problem with this whole debate is there is no source way to define all of these terms; post modern, modernism, etc. its all at the whimsy of people who are trying to distort or enhance their side.
its all one big, gross, vicarious, nebulous debate between objectivity and subjectivity. i know where i stand, but at this point its such a warped debate its not even worth it.

[Anonymous No.10508967]

>>10508961
Thats quite a post-modern attitude you have there

[Anonymous No.10509030]

>>10508967
fuck

[Anonymous No.10509073]

>>10508834
That's not what I mean, I mean they aren't forming a new movement based on contemporary styles. I think the idea is to resist bandwagoning. I can't be sure, though.

[Anonymous No.10509142]

>>10509073
Then the word you're looking for is post-contemporary (which is 100% a masturbatory fantasy).

Post-modernism is a reaction to the canons imposed by modernism, which is a cultural movement existed in the first half of the XX century.

[Anonymous No.10510541]

post-structuralist romanticism

[Anonymous No.10510930]

1910=literature started

[Anonymous No.10510937]

>>10505353
So, memes.

[Anonymous No.10510951]

>>10508183
You don't need to wish, it will happen, assuredly.

[Anonymous No.10510957]

>>10508731
I like this, ties in with what I believe will happen with transhumanism and the collective psychic consciousness of humanity and the Earth Herself.

[Anonymous No.10510984]

ghost-modernism

[Anonymous No.10510994]

>>10505398
>Do I want to be a radical liberal? Just head on over to SJW twitter
lol. Leftism is not SJWs rambling about gender on twitter. Read Marx.

[Anonymous No.10511016]

>>10510994
It literally says radical liberal not leftist Paco

[Anonymous No.10511049]

>>10505234
We are currently living in an era of Neo-Romanticism with all the "Feels over Reals" shit.

[Anonymous No.10511059]

>>10511049
I wish but most of those people literally think what they say is science THEY just prevent it being found out

[Anonymous No.10511062]

>>10505234
we'll know it when we see it. until the it's the same ol' shit.

[Anonymous No.10511075]

>>10505431
Post-contemporary modernism.
Or what I called post-consequentialism, as a more philosophical term, although it works the same artistically.
Posthumous is perhaps a better term, not mine unfortunately. But basically it is referring to reconstruction after the death of art.

[Anonymous No.10511087]

>>10508731
Future-shockism, or Lunacism.
But I don't believe this is true, even though it is the dominant category.

[Anonymous No.10511102]

>>10511049
Reality doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.10511107]

>>10505234
post-abstractionism

[Anonymous No.10511122]

The recognition that we were never Modern, and the attempt to repeat the modernist project but better this time.

[Anonymous No.10511127]

Check this:
Quantum Decadence

[Anonymous No.10511167]

post sapienism.

[Anonymous No.10511259]

>>10510994
>he gets his political opinions from books over twitter e-celebs and politics-based meme accounts
lmao get with the times gramps

[Anonymous No.10511380]

>>10511259

[Anonymous No.10512146]

>>10505234
A nuclear holocaust.
Thanks, retards.

[Anonymous No.10512154]

>>10505234
Joke: ''synthesis''.
Woke: more modernism, again.

[Anonymous No.10512234]

mass suicide lol come chat
https://discord gg/c37NwyB