/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.10418474]

When is it bad prose and when is it author style

What is objectively bad prose

Can I defend myself with author style or is that only for authors with many published works.
Am I purple?

[Anonymous No.10418983]

is it pleasant to read?

[Anonymous No.10419027]

>>10418983
>Something being pleasant to read is the critica for its worth
Holy shit brainlet

[Anonymous No.10419032]

>>10419027
>I enjoy things I don't enjoy

[Anonymous No.10419057]

>>10419032
>Enjoying reading something in the short-term is the only basis for liking something, regardless of the knowledge, perspective, or understanding it ultimately rewards you for being hard or at times frustrating to digest

[Anonymous No.10419069]

>>10419057
>knowledge, perspective, or understanding
>not a premise of future joy

[Anonymous No.10419096]

>>10419069
>"Pleasant to read" somehow implies anything more than happiness (and not challenge) in the actual act of reading

[Anonymous No.10419105]

>>10419057
we're talkimg about prose, you fucking spastic
a book may grant you wisdom or perspective or whatever despite it being shit prose-wise
nobody is aaying you shouldn't read a book that has bad prose except your made-up strawman
just admit you wanted to jerk yourself off over how intelectual you seem to see yourself

>>10419027
>>Something being pleasant to read is the critica for its worth
again, nobody fucking said this
fuck off you goddamn pseud

[Anonymous No.10419124]

>>10419105
>talkimg
>aaying
>intelectual

[Anonymous No.10419127]

>>10419096
>You do not derive happiness from overcoming challenges

[Anonymous No.10419132]

>>10419121
>There is no unhappy aspect to engaging in literary challenges whatsoever

[Anonymous No.10419138]

>>10419127
>Messing up your post

[Anonymous No.10419140]

>>10419105
>>10418983


so what if im just born with bad prose and bad structure of thinking

Should I just kill myself?

[Anonymous No.10419149]

>>10419140
Yes

[Anonymous No.10419162]

>>10419140
read more, work on it, try to understand you are writing for other people. Its a lie that you're writing for yourself or to express yourself, you're writing to reach the global consciousness, if its ugly, just as if you were ugly, no one has any reason to approach it. It could contain unimaginable wisdom, but if its nestled within a repulsive exterior there is little if any impetus for people to try understanding you. Killing yourself is cowardly in every sense, joking about it even more so than doing it. Stop using anime images of little girls to communicate emotions. Learn to describe your feelings in words, or get an actual aesthetic sense and search for meaningful imagery that can convey it. What you put in pic related in the OP is vulgar, infantile and not worth anyone's time. If you have an example of your prose, then post it here, with an interesting image. Following internet subcultural trends to try to relate with people instead of being relatable is a sign of spiritual, intellectual, and emotional weakness. You don't want to remain feeble for your whole life, do you anon?

[Anonymous No.10419176]

>>10419162

If the choice is to be an idiot or be you then I choose idiocy.

[Anonymous No.10419180]

>>10419140
If your prose sucks that means that it's underdeveloped - it won't necessarily be bad forever. One strategy to improve is to find a writer whose prose you like and want to imitate. After some time you'll be able to move from imitation to proper development of your own style.

[Anonymous No.10419191]

>>10419180
I hate reading

[Anonymous No.10419204]

>>10419191
Unfortunately, if you hate reading you're never going to succeed as a writer unless you're either a genius or someone with a message so overwhelmingly compelling that people will be willing to overlook your bad prose.

[Anonymous No.10419225]

>>10419204
all i read is post world war II- 70s manga can i have good prose

[Anonymous No.10419250]

>>10419176
you're more immature than I suspected, have a good day
>>10419191
of course you do

[Anonymous No.10419252]

>>10419250
I'd rather be immature then you.

Have a good day. Take heart that I will always be better than you.

[Anonymous No.10419257]

>>10419162

nice pseud piece

[Anonymous No.10419271]

>>10419124
haha you type word bad

[Anonymous No.10419276]

>>10419225
no
read actual literature

[Anonymous No.10419285]

>>10419162
>>10419250

[Anonymous No.10419291]

>>10419276
Why is it not actual literature

[Anonymous No.10419306]

>>10419291
I like manga but they aren't literature, not when they tell story primarily through visual and wordy comics are usually considered a failure in story telling/ taking advantages of the medium strength.

[Anonymous No.10419314]

>>10419306
I say it is literature.

[Anonymous No.10419319]

>>10419314
Define your literature.

[Anonymous No.10419321]

>>10419314
you keep saying that and then wonder why your prose is shit

[Anonymous No.10419327]

>>10419319

If a picture book is literature why cant manga be literature

[Anonymous No.10419362]

>>10419327
Because the pictures in a picture book are generally meant to be supplement to the story, not replacing the text as the main story telling device. As such, the text can be considered literature and thus the work itself can be literature. I have never heard of any picture books reached literature status though, even more so among the well-read crowd.

[Anonymous No.10419371]

>>10419362
Oh. You're defining literature as something inherently profound!

[Anonymous No.10419377]

>>10419291
>>10419314
Get off this board already. You constantly hijack threads by asking others to prove why anime isn't literature all while never presenting any contention of your own. Posing questions like "why is it not actual literature" and blankly stating that "I say it is literature" is not debate.

[Anonymous No.10419384]

>>10419327
A picture book ISN'T literature. Literature is, by definition, writing. (Or so I've been told.)

A picture is worth a thousand words. That's a thousand words translated in an instant. No need for the imagination to actually work on anything, no need for you to mull over descriptive terms, or form your own view of the author's vision. Because it's right there. There's nothing wrong with it, but you have to understand that manga and books lacking pictures are two separate art mediums.

[Anonymous No.10419388]

>>10419371
Congratulation I guess? You successfully made me feel stupid for actually taking you seriously.

[Anonymous No.10419393]

>>10419371
Not him, but you're reading comprehension is about par with any other manga reader I've met. Maybe if he added an entire story board crudely depicting his point, you might have got it then bud.

[Anonymous No.10419404]

>>10419377
I've never participated in this discussion before. But I think "I say it is literature" is just as good an argument in response to "I say it isn't literature."


>>10419384
>>10419388
>>10419393
luddites

[Anonymous No.10419433]

>>10419404
How delusional are you? The post you quoted "I say it isn't literature." does not exist. This >>10419306 post does. There was an actual argument there that you either failed to recognize or address.

[Anonymous No.10419440]

>>10419433
It's literature! Your focus on semantics are why you will never reach beyond /lit/

[Anonymous No.10419457]

>>10419440
>"It's thing because you're dumb!"
Woah, there're some hot arguments over here.

[Anonymous No.10419470]

>>10419457
It's the most scum like you deserves. You're arguments are infantile and it's clear the biggest strength you have is the copy of webster's dictionary your mother gifted you. Go ahead stop responding to me, you wont. Your poorly constructed arguments are the reason why you will never make anything great. I am better then you.

[Anonymous No.10419481]

>>10419470
Manga means that much to you, huh?
Sure.
Whatever.
Manga is literature. I have seen the light brought fourth by anon!Jesus.
Congratulations, son.
You win.

[Anonymous No.10419489]

>>10419481
I really don't give a fuck about manga to be honest. I haven't read that shit in a decade