/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.10357940]

>He doesn't stop bitching about postmodernism
>He doesn't realize 4chan is the epitome of postmodernism

[Anonymous No.10357941]

This is the ultimate thread for /lit/
dubs

[Anonymous No.10357948]

>>10357940

shut up u cunt

[Anonymous No.10357958]

>>10357940
>mfw i find out 4chan is the gulags of the internet

[Anonymous No.10357961]

>>10357948

>postmodrenism is bad nd it destroy societe need to smash culturel marxism u r an traitor of ur own race D:<

[Anonymous No.10357966]

>>10357958
That makes too much sense 2bh

[Anonymous No.10357971]

[Anonymous No.10358003]

>i nominate myself to get crucified for your sins

[Anonymous No.10358014]

Also every collab work /lit/(like the legacy of totalitarianism in a tundra) has produced is extremely postmodernist, the irony is incredible it is like /lit/ does it on purpose

[Anonymous No.10358020]

>>10357940
>He doesn't stop bitching about God
>He doesn't realize atheism is the worship of the self

[Anonymous No.10358064]

How many here have actually listend to more than 10 of his lectures?

[Anonymous No.10358119]

>>10357940
but 4chan has very clearly defined social norms
did you come here from reddit thinking it was a free-for-all?

[Anonymous No.10358146]

>>10358119
kys shit for brains
I can just tell you are election cancer

[Anonymous No.10358159]

>>10358020
incorrect

[Anonymous No.10358162]

4chan is a cancer that should be destroyed and I come here every day

[Anonymous No.10358167]

>>10358064
I will once he actually bothers to read Gödel.

[Anonymous No.10358703]

How /lit/ is Islam?

[Anonymous No.10358723]

>>10358146
that's it. i'm putting in a report about this.

[Anonymous No.10359781]

bump

[Anonymous No.10359936]

>>10358064
why would I waste so much time on some random nobody psychologist who only got famous because of his mass appeal?

>>10358014
/lit/ was always postmodern, only since peterson has there been any real opposition to it here

[Anonymous No.10360407]

>the dubs meme is older than /lit/ itself

[Anonymous No.10360429]

>>10360407
>Anne Frank

[Anonymous No.10360442]

>>10357940
instead of slaying the dragon

[Anonymous No.10360457]

>>10358159
It is correct.

[Anonymous No.10360981]

>>10357940
p-pls stop deconstructing deconstruction,it isnt funny guys plz stop!!

[Anonymous No.10361039]

>>10358064
I've probably listened to about 30 of the actual classroom lectures, and most of the videos and speeches from the last year. I get obsessed with people on YouTube to the point I have to watch everything by them. I don't know what to say.

FWIW I've probably heard like 60-80 episodes of Sam Harris' podcast so it's not just Peterson.

[Anonymous No.10361142]

>>10361039
fuck that's hideous
sort yourself out (unironically)

[Anonymous No.10361153]

>>10357940
>m-muh postmodermisn

[Anonymous No.10361163]

>>10357958
Kindof true desu. I mean most of us first came here because the moderation culture on other sites was too toxic.
Wait would that make 4chan internet Israel? Are we the internet's version of Jews?

[Anonymous No.10361179]

>>10358162
Real life is better. If you want a healthy and happy life get off 4chan. I agree with you.

[Anonymous No.10361183]

>>10361163
>most of us first came here because the moderation culture of other sites was too toxic
speak for yourself newfag

[Anonymous No.10361191]

>>10361039
I like to watch Sargon of Akkad when I bake >:^/

[Anonymous No.10361196]

>>10361183
Been here for years.

[Anonymous No.10361197]

>>10358064
Maps Of Meaning or whatever is supposed to be really important, but that doesn't empower him to get to have anybody listen to or consider important his politics. Yes, I apply this rule indiscriminately: Chomsky is a fucking faggot cuck who ought to stick to linguistics and hopefully die soon. His theory is so bad even leftists worth a damn recognize it as such, even if they agree with him ideologically- same thing with the right and Peterson, which I think might fly over the head of the brainlet drumpftard-owners on this board: if someone on /pol/ or NRx twitter or w/ever praises Peterson, they may not even think of him highly intellectually. More likely, they're praising his metapolitics, and the fact that he's a person with a position of at least some power in academia (being a professor; don't deny this) willing to even have the political position he has, and the cultural residue that accumulates downstream from his actual actions as other, more well read- in anti-marxist economics or the right wing philosophy that exists out there or whatever- people are empowered to share their opinions and join the conversation within the Overton window.

[Anonymous No.10361202]

>>10360407
does that guy actually have anne frank tattooed on his cheek?

[Anonymous No.10361247]

>>10357940
its actually post-ironic

[Anonymous No.10361501]

>>10357940
What's with all the hatred for postmodernism these days?
I was on a porn thread. Like, a really DEVIANT porn thread, and this one guy would just not stop bitchin' about postmodernism.
Am I not keeping up with the memes or something? The hate is everywhere.

[Anonymous No.10361519]

>>10361501
/pol/ learned what postmodernism is from meme kermit pronouns guy. Actually, let me rephrase that. /pol/ learned that the word "postmodernism" existed, and they have added it to their repertoire.

[Anonymous No.10361525]

>>10361519
Gotcha. Things make a little more sense now.

[Anonymous No.10361542]

>>10361183
Earliest population of 4chan was all SA bans

[Anonymous No.10361566]

>>10357961
> there's no objective source of truth or history
> except the Daily Show, of course

[Anonymous No.10361608]

>>10361542
Unabashed newfag here. Anywhere I can read up on the history of the 'chan? This sorta stuff really interests me.

[Anonymous No.10361619]

>>10361608
this image

[Anonymous No.10361648]

>>10357940
OP is a fag

[Anonymous No.10361892]

>>10360457
HEY YOU CANT JUST DO THAT

[Anonymous No.10363157]

>>10360429
>>10361202

yes.

https://www.instagram.com/arnoldisdead/

[Anonymous No.10363795]

>>10361619
True desu

[Anonymous No.10363816]

>>10361608
http://tanasinn.info/wiki/Complete_History_of_4chan

[Anonymous No.10364989]

>>10357940
came here to post this

[Anonymous No.10366077]

>critiquing post-modernism is post-modernism
wow really makes one think

[Anonymous No.10366097]

>>10363816
Thanks, I appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.10366103]

>tfw joined in that 2014 wave when all the celebrity nudes were leaked
Am I still a newfag? It was three years ago, I mean.

[Anonymous No.10366123]

no u

[Anonymous No.10366133]

>>10361519
>>10361525
They hated postmodernism way before kermit my man. They almost always has. But to them, postmodernism is amoral 'just b hedonist lmao' and is a jewish scheme.

[Anonymous No.10366143]

>>10358014
>>10359936
>/lit/ was always postmodern, only since peterson has there been any real opposition to it here

precisely this, the people who made tundra are not the same people who cry about post-modernism - that has only started up in the year and does not reflect /lit/ as far as i'm concerned. ffs two of three books in the meme trilogy are the two most recognisably post-modern works ever made.

[Anonymous No.10366160]

I consider Peterson like I would any public speaker that works to appeal to a large audience. Basic.

It's because of him that I heard of Carl Jung though. Reading Modern Man in Search of the Soul right now. I think his existence serve and overall good every if he does make roughly a million dollars a year for chanting "CLEAN YOUR ROOM"

[Anonymous No.10366169]

>>10366160
That's the thing, normies clean their room and feel a tad bit better about themselves.

[Anonymous No.10366277]

>>10361608
>He didn't first learn about the early history and culture of Anonymous from ED articles before posting
https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Main_Page
In recent years the site's gone from being politically incorrect for the sake of being politically incorrent to having a legit /pol/ bent to it, but it's still the classic source of information on early internet culture, especially the old /b/ during its golden years.
There are also similar wikis like
https://www.lurkmore.com/view/Main_page
and Shii's wiki
http://shii.bibanon.org/shii.org/knows/Everything_Shii_Knows.html
Also, check out the old flash archive and old news posts:
https://www.4chan.org/flash
https://www.4chan.org/4channews.php?all#oldnews
There are also projects to document 4chan's history, like:
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/4chan_Chronicle
http://tanasinn.info/wiki/Complete_History_of_4chan
And here is a list of archives:
http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=4chan

[Anonymous No.10366328]

>>10366077
/lit/ doesn't criticise postmodernism, board migrants do

[Anonymous No.10366351]

>>10361619
same desu

[Anonymous No.10366683]

>>10366169
They should, cleaning your room is a good thing. And Peterson recommends it because it's the easiest way to bring order to your immediate surroundings.

[Anonymous No.10366685]

>>10357940
>he does and he still bitches

[Anonymous No.10366762]

>>10361608
Start with the Greeks

[Anonymous No.10368042]

>>10357940
>talking on the internet is postmodernism

[Anonymous No.10368071]

>>10366103
Yes, and you always will be.

[Anonymous No.10368353]

>>10366103
I only started browsing in late 2010, and I still consider myself a newfag.

[Anonymous No.10368360]

>>10366762
kek

[Anonymous No.10368543]

>>10368353
>tfw you will always be part of cancer wave
at least I'm not post Trump elections so I can say I saw the nail in the coffin

[Anonymous No.10368634]

>>10357948
>>10357961
>reddit spacing

[Anonymous No.10368669]

>>10368543
Yeah, at least I saw /lit/ when it was "good"

[Anonymous No.10368865]

>>10368353
I use to browse threads back when I was but a wee(b) lad. Left when people started posting illegal content on a daily, perhaps even hourly, basis. Didn't return for over a decade. Not sure how I would classify myself.

[Anonymous No.10368969]

>>10368353
Jesus, I started browsing sometime during 2015. What does that make me?
Also, I'm phoneposting.

[Anonymous No.10370667]

>>10368969
Please get out.

[Anonymous No.10370675]

>>10366143
You are a retard.

We literally are living in post-modernism, so even people who hate it have to abide by it. Also going forward than post-modernism can only happen with post-modernism, that is the nature of post-modernism itself.

You are deeply confused if you think the core of /lit/ isn't the same pepe sprouters from the other boards, but just the well read ones.

[Anonymous No.10370683]

>>10357940
p sure the people attacking postmodernism are just depressed, directionless white young men who got sucked into the kekistani cult or whatever and regret shitposting Trump into the White House because hey, identity politics actually works, and now the cat's out of the bag.

[Anonymous No.10371085]

How do I escape Postmodern thought? It seems to lead to hyper awareness and extreme introversion.

[Anonymous No.10371094]

>>10359936
>/lit/ was always postmodern, only since peterson has there been any real opposition to it here
except /lit/ was always a catholic board, yes, contaminated by post-modernism, but the catholic seed was always there since day 1

[Anonymous No.10371104]

>>10361197
>same thing with the right and Peterson, which I think might fly over the head of the brainlet drumpftard-owners on this board: if someone on /pol/ or NRx twitter or w/ever praises Peterson, they may not even think of him highly intellectually.
/pol/ turned against memerson when they discovered he was against nazis, how they couldn't figure it out before, given that he had written a whole book about how he was against nazis, don't ask me

and /pol/ is good at creating agitation, but they don't have shit for an ideological basis beyond being different kinds of edgy, and they shift all the time all over the place, memerson was convenient for them for the anti-sjw stuff

[Anonymous No.10371123]

>>10361501
>>10361519
>>10361525
>>10366133
before Kermit they used "cultural marxism" and the frankfurt school, that was a better fit for the /pol/ conspiracy theory stuff. not sure why the post-modernism label was so successful at substituting that, i guess memerson helped and also the explosion of identity politics didn't fit that well with the frankfurt school

[Anonymous No.10371129]

>>10366277
4chan was always counter-culture, it's just recently that for some reason counter-culture started being right wing, i guess the right has been doing a better job at being gramscian than the left, or maybe the left just was too good at it and they became the new establishment, who knows

[Anonymous No.10371937]

>>10361608
>>/bant/

[Anonymous No.10371978]

>>10371129
true
and interesting
but it's mostly /pol/ being busy everywhere, and full of newfags
it's mostly right wing on the surface because it's still offensive and fun
i kind of like it like that

[Anonymous No.10371981]

>>10371129
Hi Angela Nagle

[Anonymous No.10372002]

>>10371981
hey, i kind like her, haven't read the book but seen a few podcasts and lectures, but there doesn't seem to be much to her beyond a decent analysis of internet culture, which is decent enough for the current left, but i guess that is to be expected from an irish person that's not so infected by the rest of the anglo world and anglo style leftism

it's also fun to see the old fuck from Zero books in his podcast trying to meme and understand the internet, he is not terrible at it but still kind of cute seeing an old man trying his hand at it

[Anonymous No.10372013]

>>10361183
It's true though

[Anonymous No.10372025]

>>10372002
There are plenty of Anglo-American cosmopolitan style leftists in Ireland, and they hate Nagle, she's an American herself whoses also quite detached from usual Irish politics, she said she doesn't even like to comment on Northern Ireland

[Anonymous No.10372069]

>>10372025
i mean yeah, the anglo world infects everything. i find it really funny specially when leftists in some shitty european country just copy/paste american racial dynamics into their country, when it makes no sense and doesn't fit at all the historical context of their country, but they just want to fit in and be cool like their anglo peers, just they just force it in instead of having to actually write some theory that makes sense

[Anonymous No.10372201]

>>10368353
I still remember that 2 month period before rage comics were cancer, and I think Im technically a newfag

Jesus

[Anonymous No.10372383]

>>10357940
Postmodernism is a lot of things.
The literary styles(aesthetic wordplay, ad hominem, and layers of irony) of 4chan may be postmodern, but I doubt there's many people who actually reject the independent objective reality in favor of a socio-linguistic constructionist world view.

[Anonymous No.10372400]

>>10372383
this
we all love postmodern literary and artistic styles but with the absence of identity and inherent cultural structures that come from it, our hierarchies are arguably more based on modernist constructions of facts and science

[Anonymous No.10372413]

>>10371104
>conflating National Socialism with White Nationalism
Peterson is against white identitarianism.
He doesn't believe in-group preference is a real thing and promotes civic nationalism(Patriotism, Americanism) which is completely meaningless because if you label anyone who lives near you as your own, then there's no overarching set of values or genes that binds people together.
In-Group preference seems to be the single biggest political motivator for everyone except European Caucasians.
We can predict racial voter demographics at any socioeconomic level based on what will benefit their in group the most.

[Anonymous No.10372421]

>>10368353
>tfw here since 2005
I want my life back

[Anonymous No.10372447]

>>10372421
>not using 4chan to better yourself
been here since 2008 and my life has improved significantly
>/fit/ and to a lesser extent /fa/ has made me look good
>/ck/ and /an/ have given me hobbies and passions that translated towards getting a gf
>/lit/ and /his/ made me able to carry on intellectual conversations and provided me with a grounded beginning to my ideological worldviews
>/b/ and /r9k/ have helped me understand how fucking weird and different people are, and that these people are still human like me

This website gives just as much as it takes. you just gotta know where to look. granted,
/d/ gave me a fucking furry inflation fetish

[Anonymous No.10372501]

>>10372400
>>10372400
if anything the internet is the ultimate disproval of modernism, since literally any claim can be made or refuted by anyone using 'facts and science' to the point that debate has now become two sets of people firing off meaningless statistic-ridden gish gallops and utterly failing to change one anothers' minds in any meaningful sense (except for increasing their hatred of each other) in the process.

[Anonymous No.10372548]

>>10372501
yeah you're right. If empirical fact was of any value on 4chan /pol/ wouldn't exist.

[Anonymous No.10372574]

>>10372501
Nah, facts are still observably true.
It's the interpretation and the way by which navigate and use these facts that separate us.
Some facts are displayed in a dishonest way.
For example, my English teacher in high school drank every bit of neo-Marxist Kool-Aid she could. (Fucking coal burning roastie)
One day she stated that you have a higher chance of being raped by a white man than a black man in the US.
Sure, if you don't control for population sizes and utilize raw data, then White men commit more numerical rapes(because white men are a 5x larger pop. In the US), but the statement is incorrect. When you control for populations size, black men perpetrate several times more rape per capita than white men.
Her statement was an error of not comparing equal statistics. The people who taught her in University weren't ignorant either, they intentionally taught her to think that way.

It was indoctrination and it is this kind of dishonest interpretation that leads us to the underlying battle of modernity vs postmodernity.

She said something to the effect of "I cross to the other side of the street when I see a white man."
Knowing what I know now, I'd have pointed these logical errors out, but I accepted it for what it was at the time because she was the authority in the classroom.

[Anonymous No.10372583]

>>10372548
Which empirical facts debunk /pol/'s core assertions?

(The National Socialist LARPing is not their main point, for some reason it persists though, the jew thing is probably at least partially ironic.)

[Anonymous No.10372593]

>>10372583
/pol/ has long since passed the point of LARPing and ironic jew-hating. Legit nazis and anti-semites have outnumbered those there for teh lulz xd for years now

[Anonymous No.10372601]

>>10372593
So long as we're not conflating white nationalism(which seems to be the only thing they can ever agree upon) with National Socialism,

[Anonymous No.10372608]

>>10372583
I'm not going to construct a /pol/ straw-man for you to pick apart, since they're not a monolith and arguing with /pol/acks is mind-numbing.

I will say that general ideas about the empirical value of race as a biologically valuable metric are useless in any scientific way, and not because of some conspiracy to shut down wrongthinkers.
also the the incorrect assertion that variation between groups is more profound than the variation between individuals within those groups seems to be a common thread that has no basis in scientific fact.

>>10372593
this.

[Anonymous No.10372647]

>>10371123
You realise replacing part of somebody's name with meme is not an argument right

[Anonymous No.10372997]

>>10372069
This is how Latinx has been propagated. Just terrible ideas all around thanks to North American campus culture