/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.10332023]

You've taken the kindlepill, right /lit/? None of you still think it isn't objectively superior to physical books in any way, right?

[Anonymous No.10332113]

>>10332023
Convince me to take that shitty pill and I might just get one.

[Anonymous No.10332131]

>>10332023
What all those guys proposing ebooks as superior to printed ones are missing, is the fact that they mistakenly think electricity will always be abundant and available for everyone.

[Anonymous No.10332137]

>>10332023
I bought a Kobo and I still buy hard copies of books. It's just more satisfying in every sense.

[Anonymous No.10332145]

>>>/g/

[Anonymous No.10332148]

>>10332131
if all electricity suddenly disappears, being able to read your books will be the least of your problems.

[Anonymous No.10332160]

>>10332113
>basically one incredibly slim book that can fit tons of gigantic cumbersome long books on it
>screen looks and feels exactly like paper
>battery lasts for weeks
>ebooks are way cheaper than real books and you can pirate them

[Anonymous No.10332177]

>>10332023
kindles/e-books are for plebs. a physical book I can keep in my own personal collection forever. If somebody walks into my room, they can look at my collection and maybe they'll be interested in reading one of them. then I can just hand them the book and they can read it for themselves, simple quick and easy.
with a book, you know everything is formatted correctly and official. Every time I try to torrent a book, the format is all fucked up, the quality is low, and if there are illustrations, they are scratchy and just don't look good. I can read my books even if the power goes out. I can turn the pages and feel the paper and leave a bookmark to always know exactly where I left off. Having a collection of books on a bookshelf also makes me more inclined to go back and re-read them if I want to brush up on something. I can point to a book on my shelf and say "yeah, I read that". With an e-reader it just feels like a pointless hoarding of digital shit, the ease with which you can buy new books instantly is overwhelming and you end up never reading them how they should be read, which is at a desk in a quiet room by candle light or an oil lamp

[Anonymous No.10332186]

>>10332177
so basically
>ebooks are bad because I can't flaunt how smart I am

[Anonymous No.10332192]

>>10332148
What if it disappears not suddenly but gradually?

[Anonymous No.10332197]

>>10332160
>basically one incredibly slim book that can fit tons of gigantic cumbersome long books on it
not really, you are actually more limited in your choice of reading material
>screen looks and feels exactly like paper
that is just a silly thing to say
>battery lasts for weeks
needing a battery isn't a good thing at all
>ebooks are way cheaper than real books and you can pirate them
it's not cheaper if you count all the other stuff you need to acess the text and books have been pirated long before e-readers
try harder

[Anonymous No.10332198]

>>10332177
This. The property aspect alone is enough. I can lend it, I can resell it. I do not need a third-party device to enjoy my property.

[Anonymous No.10332224]

>>10332186
they're bad because there's something lost in reading from an e-book. every book is a little different in texture, weight, size, font, slight differences in how the pages feel when they turn, etc. reading physical copies is an experience that ties the information you learn to those tiny sensorial memories. e-readers have none of that, there is no human quality to them, they are good for autists who only care about sucking in information, they are only one step away from audiobooks

[Anonymous No.10332233]

>>10332197
The screen does look and feel exactly like paper, have you ever used one?

[Anonymous No.10332236]

>>10332233
Yes. You must not have a lot of experience with books to think they look and feel the same.

[Anonymous No.10332242]

Bought a Kindle a few months ago with no regrets. Built in dictionnary is sooo good. But I still have a slight preference for physical copies. I read a lot more, I still read as much physical books, but now I read on my kindle everytime I'm in my bed for exemple.

[Anonymous No.10332252]

The best use for a kindle is college textbooks, it's an absolute godsend in that regard.

[Anonymous No.10332253]

>>10332242
shill

[Anonymous No.10332256]

>>10332252
How is that?

[Anonymous No.10332264]

>>10332256
>can pirate textbooks
>one easy to carry thing instead of multiple fuckhuge heavy textbooks
>digital bookmarks and shit make it easy to keep track of information

[Anonymous No.10332269]

>>10332197
fuck off, each of his points was entirely valid

[Anonymous No.10332272]

>>10332252
>the medium makes memorization more difficult
>godsend regarding college textbooks

[Anonymous No.10332276]

>>10332269
t. amazon

[Anonymous No.10332277]

>>10332272
how exactly does the medium possible make memorization more difficult? Are you the "muh memory attached to the sensory experience of turning a page" guy?

[Anonymous No.10332283]

>>10332277
No, but his argument is sound and scientifically tested.

[Anonymous No.10332285]

>>10332197
>it's not cheaper if you count all the other stuff
You can get an e-reader for like 50 bucks and then each ebook, if you even pay for them, is like less than 10 dollars. 50 bucks is less than twice as much as a single large hardcover book, it pays itself off very quickly.

[Anonymous No.10332289]

>>10332264
Pirating, bookmarks and weight? Weak arguments.

[Anonymous No.10332292]

>>10332285
Your math is amateurish.

[Anonymous No.10332296]

i wish i had a 13'' ereader :(

[Anonymous No.10332298]

>>10332289
yeah it's definitely a weak argument to not have to pay 200 dollars for a single book and carry massive hardcover slabs in your backpack all day.

[Anonymous No.10332299]

>>10332296
Become a shill, they'll provide one.

[Anonymous No.10332306]

>>10332131
E-ink uses basically no juice, I charge mine up once in 4-6 weeks. And the Kindle in the OP, the one I have, only has a 1900 mAh battery, so it's not exactly going to suck up all your daily ration of watts as doled out by Benevolent World Crisis Government

[Anonymous No.10332309]

>>10332298
You're just not resourceful.

[Anonymous No.10332312]

>>10332289
But why?

[Anonymous No.10332316]

>>10332309
>anon has a problem
>anon is aware of a solution to that problem
>anon utilises the solution to great effect

That's what resourcefulness is

[Anonymous No.10332318]

>>10332312
I'm sure you can figure this one out by yourself if you try.

[Anonymous No.10332322]

>>10332316
t. consumercuck

[Anonymous No.10332332]

>>10332023
formatting problems put me off. one cannot read any book reviews on amazon without someone complaining about the formatting.

[Anonymous No.10332337]

>>10332272
>memorizing your textbook
you take notes for a reason, dummy.

[Anonymous No.10332345]

i hated the ideas of ebooks when i first heard of them... but i love my KA1. most text is printed too large, and it's harder for me to keep track of a dense philosophical work when it's spread out over 3-5 pages than if it's on one, margin-free page.

[Anonymous No.10332348]

>>10332023
Just buy both lmao
/thread

[Anonymous No.10332352]

>>10332160
How does pirating on a kindle work? Just slap some pdf's or whatever and you're good?

[Anonymous No.10332354]

>>10332318
Why should I make your point for you? That's not my job.

If you can't make your point then I have to conclude that I won the argument by default, but I don't want to do that, I want to prove you wrong. I can't prove you wrong if you don't say anything.

[Anonymous No.10332356]

>>10332345
The letters must be tiny if you put 3-5 pages on one screen.

[Anonymous No.10332361]

>>10332348
>>10332322

[Anonymous No.10332363]

>>10332354
lol

[Anonymous No.10332367]

>>10332352
pirated ebooks come in a variety of formats, usually EPUB, and you use programs like Calibre to automatically convert them to whatever format your ereader demands.

[Anonymous No.10332368]

>>10332352
.epub files work great on it.

[Anonymous No.10332371]

>>10332352
.EPUB or .MOBI

I never used PDFs because my Kindle's an earlyish model and moving around the page was too clunky, but it can definitely display them.

[Anonymous No.10332373]

>>10332332
They're an issue for free versions of books in the public domain, and for pirated books you've re-formated. Other than those two cases i've never experienced an issue

[Anonymous No.10332381]

>>10332373
Yeah, they don't work well with free or pirated books.

[Anonymous No.10332383]

>>10332367
>>10332368
>>10332371
Oh, I thought you either had to pay or do some fucking about with the software to read a book on it.

I'm actually looking at kindles to buy now.

[Anonymous No.10332387]

>>10332023
Every time I see these threads I wonder what kind of books you read that you can find every book you're interested in as pdfs let alone proper ebooks. Maybe it's the stupid anglo benefit.

>>10332131
I have a solar panel. I can charge your kindle too if you swear alliance to my sun cult.

[Anonymous No.10332388]

>get tired of autistic teenagers on /g/
>come to my comfy pseudointellectual home board
>it's infested with mentally ill preteens from /g/

[Anonymous No.10332391]

>>10332388
Wait for the cancerous pol preeteen hours

[Anonymous No.10332394]

>>10332391
It's already that hour dude

[Anonymous No.10332398]

>be me
>work for a major publisher (in admin)
>be aware that there's an entire department whose job it is to curate that publisher's ebooks
>know that they spend weeks on single books, making sure there's full audio companions, making sure any images have full metadata for TTS, proofing over and over, laboriously checking the formatting on an endless stream of devices
>know that the overwhelming majority of the ebook market is owned by Amazon, who just convert from .DOC or whatever and fire their files out there literally giving no fucks
>know that as they spend late evenings and early mornings trawling through this monkey work they too are fully aware of this fact
>laugh

What a bunch of fannies

It's madness, I know for a fact that the bigwigs have been complaining for literally YEARS that the turnaround on ebooks is so slow and they still don't seem to understand why

[Anonymous No.10332405]

>>10332023
>objective superiority in an art form is a plastic box
i hope your scarf chokes you

[Anonymous No.10332423]

>>10332405
Arguments for E-Readers:
>cheaper
>takes up vastly less space
>far more portable
>far easier to keep track of data
>built-in dictionary
Arguments against E-Readers:
>muh bookfeel
>muh physical bookshelf to show everyone how smart I am

[Anonymous No.10332429]

>>10332387
>what kind of books you read that you can find every book you're interested in as pdfs let alone proper ebooks
so much this

[Anonymous No.10332432]

>>10332405
also this

[Anonymous No.10332438]

>>10332387
What are you reading right now? I promise you I can find an ebook version.

[Anonymous No.10332447]

>>10332438

[Anonymous No.10332451]

>>10332438
Picasso and Portraiture by William Rubin

[Anonymous No.10332466]

>>10332438
Max René Hesse, Partenau

[Anonymous No.10332741]

[Anonymous No.10332792]

>>10332023
>kindlepill
Stop putting pill on everything just cause you recently got into it.

[Anonymous No.10332798]

>>10332192
You have time to make a list of books you want and can go buy them.

[Anonymous No.10332822]

>>10332792
>implying I'm gonna take the "stop putting pill on everything just cause you recently got into it"-pill

[Anonymous No.10332833]

>>10332356
anyone could read it, but i read it comfortably. in print, the hated margins take up most of the space. i just get rid of them.

[Anonymous No.10332840]

how do e-readers deal with end notes? this is the big thing in whether i will buy one

[Anonymous No.10332844]

>>10332383
how tech-savvy are you? if you're above grandma level (i.e. able to use 4ch), you might consider a Kobo Aura One. i prefer it to the Kindle Voyage, but haven't used the new, big Kindle Oasis yet.

[Anonymous No.10332870]

>>10332833
Why do you hate margins, anon?

[Anonymous No.10332892]

>>10332840
my Kobo displays them in a smaller window above the text — if you want (if it's a long note), you can press a button to flip to the endnote section. same with footnotes.

[Anonymous No.10332898]

>>10332844
>KA1
>meagre battery
>abysmal software
>bootloops every other update
>still tied to calibre if you don't want epub pageturns to take hours to complete
No, thanks, koboshill.

[Anonymous No.10332900]

>>10332870
because i write notes in a separate journal. why would i sully the book?

[Anonymous No.10332966]

>>10332892
Is that a front facing camera up top or a light sensor?

[Anonymous No.10332978]

>>10332892
What kobo version is that?

How does it compare to the Kindle?

[Anonymous No.10332980]

>>10332423
i hope the scarf you bought with amazon chokes you. though let's face it, you got it from etsy to pretend someone loves you enough to knit for you; don't worry, that's cheaper, less space, more portable, far easier to keep track of, and has no need for dictionary definitions in comparison to a scarf made by someone who wants to keep you warm. why bother choking yourself with a scarf your mother made you when you can get it on etsy for half the price? go die.

[Anonymous No.10332987]

>>10332980
>not knowing kindlefags get the philosopher's jumper and eat philosopher's honey c/o youtube
get with the times, grandpa

[Anonymous No.10332994]

>>10332980
>neoluddite rectal explosion
Beautiful, yet discomforting. Like watching a child with trisomy trying to solve a rubik's cube.

[Anonymous No.10333004]

>>10332285
That's exactly how I got my kindle

>wanted to read ASOIAF
>here published in like 12 books, 10€
>said fuck it, I'm not spending all of that on fanstashit
>bought a kindle and pirated it

[Anonymous No.10333010]

>>10332980
>t. assblasted pseud
Okay sweetie, I'll keep enjoying T.S Elliot on my light, sleek Kindle while I sip my caramel macchiato and you can still keep your grandpa paperbacks ;)

[Anonymous No.10333034]

>>10332429
Basically all mainstream books. Which is every book published by a major publisher.

And, actually, having the ability to do so has permitted me to not spend more on mainsteam publication and expand my collection of actually indie authors.

[Anonymous No.10333064]

Every "advantage" physical books have are things outside of actually reading. If you just care about reading, e-books are much more practical.
Everything is else is for people who think they are better because they read,and want everyone to know they are "superior".

[Anonymous No.10333075]

>>10333010
>TS Eliot
>calling other people pseuds and sweetie
Nigga we're asking you to do a communal service (which you will be unfamiliar with sans branding) and fucking die so your bad taste and lack of humanity can go with you. Stop getting comfy when you need to leave.

[Anonymous No.10333159]

>>10332966
a light sensor. speaking of, i like kobo's blue light filter — most critics find it too wonky for their taste.

>>10332978
it's the Kobo Aura One. against the similarly priced Kindle Voyage, i much prefer it.

KA1:
>supports ePubs*, which is the most widely available** form of eBook
>bigger screen, yet is comparable (less, maybe?) with the Kindle's weight
>more internal storage (neither supports microSD cards)
>custom margin, font*** options
>better customer support for software issues
people talk shit about Kobo's software bugs or whatever, but they arise because the team is (to the best of my knowledge) constantly trying to improve the firmware. every update is like christmas, when i didn't even write a list. i have yet to find any frustrations; i've only had 2 crashes in a half-year's use.

Kindle Voyage:
>far superior translation, including multi-word phrases, which i don't think kobo does yet. this is important if you read books that sprinkle latin throughout and it's been years since high school lessons, or if you're an etymology slut like i am.
>in-text Wikipedia support, also pretty useful
>better eBook store, but i sideload my own (often pirated) books
>wordwise, which is kind of a meme
>haptic buttons, which i liked initially but soon forgot about after switching to kobo

*: briefly, Kobo uses kePubs and Kindle uses .MOBI. Calibre does a 1:1 translation of ePub to kePub, but .ePub to .MOBI is NOT a 1:1 translation — this is to say, there's a slight chance something will get fucked up if you convert ePub to MOBI, but not for ePub to kePub. people complain about Calibre, but anyone who likes eBooks (Kindle or Kobo) uses that ugly app
**: i mean, widely available on LibGen or other sites for DRM-free books like it.
***: desu, i loaded one of Kindle's fonts as my base font, but it's nice to have the option.

>t. the eternal Kobo shill

[Anonymous No.10333217]

I don't know if it's objectively superior but it's free books on a good screen.

[Anonymous No.10333220]

>>10332198
(You)

[Anonymous No.10333259]

Most of us (that is those of us who aren't fucking 14 years old) were educated and became literal in the pre-kindle age with plain old paper books.

Your brain has developed in a very particular way alongside paper media. You will notice (if you have a functioning attention span) a difference immediately when trying to read anything longform on a glowing electronic toy

[Anonymous No.10333270]

>>10333064
>Every "advantage" physical books have are things outside of actually reading. If you just care about reading, e-books are much more practical.
wrong, it's just the opposite. if you just care about reading, and disregard "portability (smugly reading in a Starbucks with your high-tech knowledge device)" and "it's less space taken up in your house", physical copies are better for memory retention and overall feel/concentration, and there's no time wasted with file format shit and other issues.

Buy a used paperback for 3 dollars and know that it just werks™ instead of dicking around on an oversized iPhone

[Anonymous No.10333276]

>>10333159
thank you Mr. Eternal Kubo Shill.

I mostly pirate as well, as most of the e-books in my native language are not widely available on amazon and the likes.

Does amazon provide it's books for download in anything other than mobi or do you have to use caliber to convert them, in the case of buying a book?

[Anonymous No.10333302]

>>10333276
if you buy a book from amazon, it comes in .AZW or .AZW3. the .AZW is basically .mobi + DRM. you can get a plugin for calibre to remove the DRM (so you can sideload it on any device), then it can convert to .mobi (i think AZW to .mobi is 1:1, error-free). then, if you want to convert the .mobi to .epub, you can do that in calibre.

if it's .AZW3, it's basically a PDF and therefore no good for any eReader IMO.

[Anonymous No.10333384]

I primarily read genre fiction on my DS lite, what's my power level

[Anonymous No.10333394]

>>10332197
>buy a kindle paperwhite during prime sale
>70$
>immediately pirate 200+ books
>if each e-book = 5$, that's 1000$
>70-1000
>save 930$

[Anonymous No.10333399]

>>10332197
>it's not cheaper if you count all the other stuff you need to acess the text

But I have that stuff anyway

so do you, right now

I'm not going to not have that stuff if I don't have a kindle

no straws remain ungrasped

[Anonymous No.10333447]

>>10332023
i bought both HD 8 and Kindle together for 100 shekels on chyker monday

almost bought a galaxy tab a instead

[Anonymous No.10333455]

>>10333384
>what's my power level
virginity/10

[Anonymous No.10333459]

>buy kindle paperwhite
>download vast libraries and hundreds of individual books
>still buy normal books
>buy damaged books in packs of 4
>have access to university library
And yet, here I am, reading the shit posted by some of the dumbest people on earth while I have access to near endless wisdom and knowledge.

[Anonymous No.10333471]

>>10333459
i sympathize, but there are a few truly intelligent posts on here. plus, the banter is fun.

[Anonymous No.10333479]

>>10333471
Can't even write the first letter of a sentence with a capital letter.
And this is the literature board

You are probably also a native speaker. Just disgusting how little you respect yourself. I didn't banter, I really hate you and I want you to know that.

[Anonymous No.10333501]

>>10333479
i still love you

[Anonymous No.10333515]

>>10333447
I'm interested on one of those Amazon tablets and I'm wondering if i could use one of those as a replacement for a kindle.

I'd really like it if I could just get a tablet and read there. Or is the kindle experience really worth buying one?

[Anonymous No.10333527]

>>10332900
>I hate margins in books because I write notes in a journal
What kind of silly logic is that

[Anonymous No.10333571]

>>10332198
>>10333270
these guys get it

[Anonymous No.10333574]

>>10333270
>and there's no time wasted with file format shit and other issues.
Oh, so you waste no time by going to the store and buying the book?
Lmao. What if i want to read a book in the middle of the night? It takes me less than 5 minutes to download a book and convert it to another file. If i wanted a physical book, i'd have to wait till the store opens. And there's not a single decent bookstore in my city, sadly.

I speak multiple languages too, and getting books in those languages is damn easy. I don't have to go a store that has books in those languages (which there are none close to where i live) and hope they have the book that i want.

Judging by your post, your opinion on e-books is based around the stereotype you have about people who uses them. E-readers aren't oversized iphones and people who use them aren't all starbucks hipsters (i haven't even set foot in one myself). Hell, those hipsters probaly prefer physical books.

[Anonymous No.10333581]

>>10333527
1. Margins were necessary for the purpose of differentiating vertical sections of text written horizontally in a scroll of papyrus.
2. After the invention of the codex, margins were used for marginalia.
3. I don't use marginalia.
4. I don't read scrolls.
C: I don't need margins.

you can claim this is unsound if you believe that margins are necessary for retention, but it's not invalid.

[Anonymous No.10333592]

>>10333574
I don't mind people who use them, actually. It' good to try things out. But people who buy them are definitively more into gadgets than literature and reading.

[Anonymous No.10333597]

>>10333581
I claim nothing about margins, just curious about your stated hatred of them and how it relates to e-readers, that's all.

[Anonymous No.10333610]

>>10333597
since they aren't necessary, it's an aesthetic choice. my hatred is the accumulation of trying to find physical books with small margins and failing, but e-readers can freely adjust the margins of a text.

[Anonymous No.10333618]

>>10333610
How did margins become a significant problem in your reading habits, if I may ask?

[Anonymous No.10333623]

>buy all your favorite books again!
>want to lend a book to a friend or relative?
>too bad!
>you have to lend your entire library!
>good thing you obviously don't read much and that's why you bought a fucking tablet
>worried about technological obsolescence eventually making your entire library inaccessible?
>fear not, you can just buy a new device and re-buy all your favorite books (again) in 15 years!
>meanwhile I have books passed down from my grandparents originally printed 60 years ago still in fine readable condition on my shelf

[Anonymous No.10333625]

>>10333618
autism

[Anonymous No.10333627]

>>10333618
hah, you make it sound like the beginning of a bildungsroman. i have no mind for literary symbolism, so it's difficult for me to track themes across a text. same with dense philosophical arguments, where the text continually refers back to itself. rather than flipping through pages, i can just flick my eyes up a couple of paragraphs. margins waste space and prevent this from happening.

the short answer is >>10333625

[Anonymous No.10333630]

>>10333623
This. E-reader are worth if for pirated books and very cheap purchased books

[Anonymous No.10333648]

>>10333627
Thanks for what sounds like an honest answer but I have to say you should maybe consider the e-reader more of a problem than a solution regarding your difficulty with tracking themes across a text. Unironically, try reading a book, it's a better mental exercise.

[Anonymous No.10333653]

>>10333574
>What if i want to read a book in the middle of the night?
Well, I have a job, so this isn't really a problem I relate to. If I want a book I order it online or else go to the store if I feel like wasting an hour on the weekend and have some errands to run anyway. A lot of the time anymore though book stores don't carry the books I like, so I have to order from amazon or some other site. Then I just get them from the mail. I'm not so hard up for literature I need new books immediately, I own literally hundreds of books and I've read only like 2/3 of them. I can't really imagine why you would need to impulse-buy a new book at like 11:00 PM, are you just so spoiled and entitled to instant gratification you can't even order things by mail?

[Anonymous No.10333659]

>>10333574
>Oh, so you waste no time by going to the store and buying the book?
no I order books online and usually have the book delivered to me by the time I've just finished the previous one. Going to a bookstore to pick up a book you want is usually a pleasant experience, compared to wrestling with format errors and hunting down books on russian torrent sites just so you can save a few bucks


>What if i want to read a book in the middle of the night?
how often does that happen, honestly? I get the convenience of e-readers but in practice they just make for an inferior reading experience in the long-term

Would you read the Bible or any other titanic piece of literature on a tablet or e-reader? I think stuff like that messes with your brain, like when people buy 50 games instantly on Steam for very cheap but then they end up hardly playing any of them

[Anonymous No.10333664]

>>10332373
Whatever. Half the Penguin catalog of ebooks is fucked.

[Anonymous No.10333679]

>>10332438
Copleston's History of Western Philosophy. No ebook. Just some shitty pdfs that don't display properly on an kindle. A lot Heidegger's stuff isn't in ebook format. A lot of secondary literature on various philosophers have not ebooks. Then there's limitations on what version you can get: Sure you get the oxford world classics edition of presocratic, but if specifically want Barnes' Early Greek Philosophers published by Penguin, well, you're just shit out of luck then.

[Anonymous No.10333741]

>>10333653
>>10333659
Well, maybe the midnight thing wasn't a good example, i understand. Nonetheless, i still made my point. Downloading books is much more convenient and faster than going to the store or ordering a book. You can't deny that.
You make it seem like it's such a difficult thing to download a book thar it makes me think none of you have actually done it. It's just going to a epub/mobi page, downloading the book, opening it on Calibre to convert it and/or transfer it to the kindle. I don't know why is that so difficult. Most books are very easy to find. You don't have to go to some "russian torrent site", to find a book that you most likely won't find it in a store.

The "reading experience" you mentioned is something that should be outside of the act of reading itself. A literary work should be valued only for its written word, not because the book felt good in your hands or the bookstore you bought it from was nice.
I say that if judged strictly by the easiness of reading, e-books are much better than physicals, in a practical sense. Everything else, like the "reading experience", is secondary.

[Anonymous No.10333753]

>>10333741
>the reading experience is secondary to the easiness of reading
what did he mean by that?

[Anonymous No.10333760]

>>10332023
What I love the most is just tapping a word and it tells me the definition, no matter the language, makes reading smoother, also reading it anywhere where I cant bring a huge book.

[Anonymous No.10333781]

>>10333760
how smooth?

[Anonymous No.10333789]

>>10333781
Well if pulling out my phone and searching a word was a bump, then reading with the kindle is like driving with no bumps on the road?

But really, just download any book you want for free, read it in bed all comfy under the sheets in the dark this winter.

[Anonymous No.10333800]

>>10333741
>Downloading books is much more convenient and faster than going to the store or ordering a book.
As a shopping experience? Sure. I don't like ebooks though, I prefer reading print on paper. I also prefer having physical copies of books I can lend to friends and family, since we commonly lend each other reading material to save on money.

For the record, I have downloaded pdfs before. I did it a lot while I was in college, mostly for scholarly articles and other material I needed for class. I have read far more literature and academic writing in electronic format than I care to recount, which is a large part of the reason I find it distasteful, I associate it with difficult/tedious reading.

I have always loved reading books and I find it easier to navigate physical pages than to scroll through PDFs with a mouse or touch screen. Often I can remember the location of certain passages in my favorite books just by how far into the book they are and open the book up within close proximity to that passage. The better PDFs I read had text search options, but that's such a sterile and impersonal way to browse a book. Cracking open a beloved book to nearly the exact page of the scene I love to reread is a sentimental experience. Typing half a quote into a search bar is not even close to a sentimental experience, why would I prefer that over a book?

[Anonymous No.10333823]

>>10333789
Cool phone metaphor but no thanks, I'm good.

[Anonymous No.10333828]

>>10333741
>I say that if judged strictly by the easiness of reading, e-books are much better than physicals, in a practical sense
e-readers are more convenient for getting the books but physical books are superior for reading and retention of the written word and this has been shown in studies, it's the same reason why online schools have such poor graduation rates and why students are still encouraged to take written notes instead of typed ones

Setting everything else aside, if you could instantly get whatever book you wanted in whatever format you wanted at the snap of your fingers, would you prefer to have it loaded on your e-reader, or would you get the paper version?

[Anonymous No.10333829]

>>10333823
It was a joke.

[Anonymous No.10333836]

>>10333828
>e-readers are more convenient for getting the books
If it's a widely available book already, otherwise you won't find it.

[Anonymous No.10333904]

>>10333270
Right, because reading on a kindle in public is worse than destroying your wrists to make sure everyone on the bus knows that you're reading Infinite Jest

[Anonymous No.10333909]

>>10333828
>Setting everything else aside, if you could instantly get whatever book you wanted in whatever format you wanted at the snap of your fingers
so it is about instant gratification after all

[Anonymous No.10333921]

>>10333904
reading a kindle in public looks bad, deal with it

[Anonymous No.10333956]

>>10333921
It ain't no nintendo so no, it fucking doesn't

[Anonymous No.10333973]

>>10333956

[Anonymous No.10333974]

>>10333904
I don't take the bus, I have a car. And the only time I take a book with me when I drive is if I'm going to a restaurant so I can pass the time waiting for a table/food without having to talk to anybody.

[Anonymous No.10334023]

>>10333259
>glowing
I see you have chosen to share your opinion on something you know quite literally nothing about.

[Anonymous No.10334039]

>>10333515
i'm double fisting both for dif content

[Anonymous No.10334045]

>>10333828
>superior for reading and retention
why would that be? just words on a surface … esp e-ink

[Anonymous No.10334048]

>>10333394
Did you read all the books?

[Anonymous No.10334052]

>>10333921
i only see older/middle age folks reading on kindles

they're legit for the patrician class

[Anonymous No.10334066]

>>10334052
they just have more money to spend on shit

[Anonymous No.10334122]

Pls take the R-valuespill as a suppository so we can stop having this dumb thread every summer.

[Anonymous No.10334193]

>>10332177
>>10332160
Both are right. My uncle has a library for friends and a nook for himself

[Anonymous No.10334210]

>>10332113
I have a kindle.

Perks:
>Thousands of free books from any genre
>Can buy complete sets of an author's work for $1
>Can carry thousands of books anywhere
>Access to them at the snap of a finger
>can highlight them and add notes

Cons:
>download so much that it becomes hard to manage
>eyes might hurt after staring at a screen

If it wasn't for my Kindle, I'd be missing out on so much literature. That said, I prefer printed books.

[Anonymous No.10334255]

>>10332023
*blocks your path*

>There are two ways in which one can own a book. The first is the property right you establish by paying for it, just as you pay for clothes and furniture. But this act of purchase is only the prelude to possession. Full ownership comes only when you have made it a part of yourself, and the best way to make yourself a part of it is by writing in it. An illustration may make the point clear. You buy a beefsteak and transfer it from the butcher's icebox to your own. But you do not own the beefsteak in the most important sense until you consume it and get it into your bloodstream. I am arguing that books, too, must be absorbed in your bloodstream to do you any good.

>Confusion about what it means to own a book leads people to a false reverence for paper, binding, and type—a respect for the physical thing—the craft of the printer rather than the genius of the author. They forget that it is possible for a man to acquire the idea, to possess the beauty, which a great book contains, without staking his claim by pasting his bookplate inside the cover. Having a fine library doesn't prove that its owner has a mind enriched by books; it proves nothing more than that he, his father, or his wife, was rich enough to buy them.

http://www.maebrussell.com/Articles%20and%20Notes/How%20To%20Mark%20A%20Book.html

[Anonymous No.10334261]

>>10334255

[Anonymous No.10334289]

>>10334066
are you gyropoor?

[Anonymous No.10334303]

>>10334289
no, I meant buying shit as buying shitty products not as stuff in general