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10264806 No.10264806[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

I've made a post similar to this in another thread but I think it's worth having further discussion.

What is the logic behind racism? Im talking beyond the biological reaction of "he looks different than me, i cant trust him!".

When in possession of information that suggests some races have lower IQ than others, why should one develop resentment for that of the lower? I believe that compassion and understanding accompanied by a willingness for the prosperity of our fellowman is more desirable and an emotion that feels better than anger. So why do so many people feel it is just to choose the latter?

You see your fellowman groveling on the floor and you kick him rather than inquiring as to how he ended up on the floor and how he can get up?

You might want to argue that he isn't worth helping and that when people have tried to help him hes spat in their faces. Do you think this is reason to stop loving your fellow man? Have you considered that without love, this man would continue to rot and never achieve his full potential? Why should one be content with such a possibility?

Why must man attempt to justify hatred of one another? Isn't this need for justification suggesting an innate knowledge that the hateful feeling is wrong?

I'd like to know your thoughts.

>> No.10264849

>>10264806
>beyond biological reaction
That's literally all there is to it, at it's root.
During the filming of Planet Of The Apes, actors would, without being told, socialize almost sorry with actors in the same kind of costume they were in. Racism is just inherent in us, because the people that only helped people that were similar tended to propagate similar genes.

>> No.10264879

>>10264849

So you're arguing that racism is instinctual? I think that's a fair argument. I think it's also fair to say that humans have recognized the necessity of overcoming their natural instincts for centuries and the importance of compassion for one another.

>> No.10264886
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>>10264806
Read a bit about ingroup and outgroup. It is not just skin colour, if everyone had the same skin colour there would still be tribalism.
Like the Arabs say: Me against my brothers, me and my brothers against my cousins, me my brothers and my cousins against ... etc.

Kin selection, group competition etc. Your answers lie in sociology, anthropology and if you can and don't mind some biology. Fun fact: there's a hypothesis that left handers exist because they had an advantage in fights.

>> No.10264889

>>10264806
>>10264849
>>10264879
try the redpill, cucks

>> No.10264899

>>10264806
IQ is a meme. You test for intelligence but your western cultural biases are inherent in the test. Additionally, you select for people who are not necessarily smarter but just better at taking timed tests.

>> No.10264928

>>10264879
>necessity of overcoming instincts
that's one of the most retarded things i ever read
instincts exist for a reason, man. the systems that tried to surpress them are responsible for slowly killing the idea of Man and civilization itself

>> No.10264954

>>10264849
where'd you hear this planet of the apes story? link plz

>> No.10265021

>>10264886

Interesting theory, I'll look into it more certainly. With it in mind, would you say that our racism is more naturally inclined towards a sense of competition and exclusivity rather than encouraging resentment of one another?

>> No.10265032

>>10264928

I disagree. They exist to keep us alive yes, but succumbing to each basic instinct is irrational. Men naturally want to fuck women they find attractive. Does that mean man should follow his natural instinct and try to fuck her against her consent? No. We are not animals. We have a particular level of consciousness for a reason.

>> No.10265047

>>10264928
Repressing and controlling your instincts is necessary for civilization to exist you turbobrainlet

>> No.10265057

Disassociation does not equal hatred.

>> No.10265060

>>10265047
Bet you love wearing a chastity cage, libcuck retard feminist

>> No.10265061

>>10265032
what you're asking for is not fucking the woman at all and instead ejaculating on the floor
rape is not a basic instinct, procreation is. we are one of the few animals that actually evolved the concept of consent, and together with it - tribalism. it's only natural to want to protect your tribe and defend against the other

>>10265047
not the instinct of self-preservation, spastic

>> No.10265063

>>10264899
>western cultural biases
>literally a series of geometrical patterns

okay lol

>> No.10265070

>>10265063
he probably loves to see white women mounted by ape-like savages, like the leftist cuck he is

>> No.10265118

>>10264899
It's absolutely disgusting how we designed the test so Asians and Jews are on top. Almost in ways that match the general stratification of society.
I read something on AmRen years ago that pretty well summed up how I feel about this. It's pretty clear that there are differences in IQ (and other traits) in average between different races but it's a boring thing to talk about. It doesn't automatically lead to any final solutions and in the end everyone is an individual and should be treated as such.

>> No.10265133

>>10265061
>he thinks fighting for cultural supremacy is an instinct of self-preservation
lol

>> No.10265141

>>10265021
>With it in mind, would you say that our racism is more naturally inclined towards a sense of competition and exclusivity rather than encouraging resentment of one another?
If I understood you correctly I would say yes. I think the resentment comes out of perceived competition and exclusivity.

That's my personal viewpoint based on what I've read.

>> No.10265151
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10265151

racism has nothing to do with skin color... at least not nowadays. Nowadays it's all about behavior. Maybe centuries ago when people were dumber.

>> No.10265152

>>10265118
lol pretty funny how whites stopped believing in IQ when they realized they were not the masterrace they thought they were haha

>> No.10265168

>>10265152
The only people who refuse to acknowledge the realities of IQ are leftist cucks

>> No.10265169

>>10265152
go to /pol/ you moron...

the belief in IQ never went away.

>> No.10265195

>>10265133
it's a self-preservation thing in the sense that I don't want people from different cultures having anything to do with mine, they can fuck off back to their own
lots of people from different backgrounds come into a region built and shaped by my kind, a region i have an obligation to preserve, and they start forming their own communities, thus keeping alive their own culture and customs and destroying mine in the process. the same with race.
and if that makes me a supremacist then carve a swastika into my forehead and call me the Grand Wizard of KKK

>> No.10265198

>>10265169
so you acknowledge your asian overlords, good boy:)

>> No.10265202

>>10265198
i fully submit to Rice Cock
rule my soul and body, o great chink masters

>> No.10265210

>>10265061

I see what you're saying. I agree with that. It just gets me down to see so much bitterness going around when compassion and understanding would do us all so much better. It genuinely does not feel good to hold resentment for another man and I believe on that basis alone the sentiment should be done away with. I'm all fine with everyone keeping to themselves. And I understand that these spiteful feelings boil when one feels that they are being infringed upon by another "tribe". But I believe that dwelling on those negative feelings will only cause us more suffering. I find a great absurdity in the amount of "intellectuals" who find abhorrence with any notion of empathy towards one another. I understand that it is a hard feeling to develop for many. But I wish more people would try.

>> No.10265225

>>10264806
The logic is that it’s a great scam, lots of people are willing to accept policies that go against their own interest as long as you guarantee them that they will never be last

>> No.10265226

>>10265202
in al seriousness though i hope whites come to see things this way - themselves as the Butlers of Asia - as leasy your above blacks, theyre for digging up coal and shovelling and such

>> No.10265232

>>10265210

Just to continue this sentiment. I'd also like to reiterate my feeling that it is also absurd to develop a notion of supermacy based on who has a higher IQ. That's so silly to me. Especially considering that measurement is not the some of all of man's capabilities. All races have contributed things of value to the world in different mediums. Why are people so obsessed with being "the master race".

Even in the black community I've noticed assertions of our superiority to others and I find it equally as ridiculous as other races doing it. We won't grow from anything if all our ambition is out of spite for one another. I plan on doing what I can to encourage a more compassionate way of thinking amongst other black people. As well as doing away with feelings of inferiority and superiority. I hope other communities do the same.

>> No.10265236

>>10264899
Modern IQ tests are culturally neutral

>> No.10265249

>>10264806
My genetics need to prosper while genetics of others don't need to. If I support those with my genetics then I am acting in my own interest. It is entirely logical on a biological level.

Different races have different genetic personalities. They are adapted to different environments and will act upon what worked in where they evolved. Some groups will be more impulsive and violent while others will be more passive and focus on long term plans. As such it is logical for me to pick being around people with better group traits.

You have fallen for the myth that racism is illogical hate. It is the complete reverse. It is logical to care for your family, they are your closest genetic match. Expand the family out in circles. Me > Parents/Siblings > Cousins/aunts/uncles > My village > My county > My nation. I should be putting each of those before the others. Entirely logical and healthy. Being anti-racism is saying "No, I don't wish for people like me to prosper, I wish to sacrifice my success for someone else's genetic group to prosper". Imagine a dog doing that for a cat, you could call them insane

>> No.10265251

>>10264806
>what's the logic of recognizing patterns and adjusting your behavior accordingly
Uh.... logic?

>>10264899
If IQ tests are biased towards Westerners, then why do Asians routinely outperform whites?

If IQ tests are biased against brown people, then why do brown people perform better on the culturally-dependent verbal sections instead of the g-loaded mathematical reasoning sections?

And to cap it all off, why do brown people actually perform WORSE on so-called "culture-fair" tests that are designed to eliminate Western bias?

>> No.10265262

>>10265210
>spiteful
>negative feeling
>lack of empathy
You realize your vocabulary, thus your ideas, are extremely ideologically charged, right?
There's nothing inherently spiteful or negative about sticking to your own; that's just a value judgement.

>> No.10265263

>>10265232
good post sir

ps look up an essay by the geneticist Stephen Jay Gould called 'The Mismeasure of Man' in rebuttal of The Bell Curve

>> No.10265269

The Bell Curve is not a racist book
I just wanted to get that out of the way

>> No.10265273

>>10265263
That "rebuttal" was such a catastrophic failure that it probably did more to support The Bell Curve's scientific acceptance than any defense by Murray and Herrenstein

>> No.10265278

>>10265262

You may have misread me, I didn't claim that sticking to your own was spiteful. I actually agree with the notion. I'm saying that developing spiteful feelings after the fact does not feel good and should not be something encouraged or dwelled on. I don't believe my ideas to be incredibly idealistic because I have experienced their benefit personally, as someone who had been incredibly misanthropic and inclined to resent the white man. And I believe that through proper guidance within each community similar ideas can be cultivated. It will be incredibly difficult, but worthwhile. And no I don't believe everyone will end up holding hands singing kumbaya. I just want people to stop dwelling in feelings that are of no use to anyone.

>> No.10265282

Racist whites think this IQ test proves I'm dumb, but the joke's on them because I don't know what "regatta" means

>> No.10265286

>>10265232
You sound like a sniveling little cock roach with no experience in anything at all.

If I run faster than you then I am superior to you at running. It is not "supremacy" to say "I am superior than you at running because I can run faster and further than you".

You act like everyone is equal and that there is no such thing as a positive or negative in life and that some people/groups will be superior based on the amount of positives they have.

Every race except blacks have had huge empires spanning continents. Some of them have regressed since them while others have expanded. It is objectively true to say that white people have contributed more to humanity than blacks have. That whites, Arabs and Asians have pushed civilization forward while blacks have not.

As such we can make the honest value judgement that investing in the negro is a bad investment. We should instead invest in Asians and Whites, who will then prosper for the betterment of all races through a trickle down effect.

But back to my point. You're an inferior male, the way you talk, the way you act, the way you express your ideas say that. You only wish for these ideas because you know instinctively that you are inferior. Your only hope of competing is if you destroy the entire system of competition by trying to devalue it. Your mating strategy is to sabotage the quality testing so that you can sneak your beta penis inside a woman. We see it, we know why you're doing it and we laugh at how pathetic it is.

>> No.10265287

>>10265273
There is a real misunderstanding of genetics by non-specialists though and its there for sure in the Bell curve.

>> No.10265292

>>10265236
They are not environment neutral tho fuckface

If whites so smart why can’t they understand epigenetics?

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>>10265152
Whites are quite clearly the "master race" if there is one. IQ is a good indicator of potential success but whites are the only group that has evolved a strong, too strong for our own good sometimes, sense of individualism. This is responsible for creativity and thinking outside the box and ultimately innovation. Jews and Asians, despite their high IQs and rote learning ability, have never created much of anything. While whites have created nearly everything.

>> No.10265313

>>10265060
>has never read Freud: the post

>> No.10265314

>>10265263
Gould? Lol. Gould was a jew whose reputation was destroyed by his scientific dishonesty.

>> No.10265320

>>10264886
In groups are mostly cultural now then genetic. It works in families, but two Arabs are as much related as Spanish guy and a Russian. Genetics differences then are so little and on such vast samples that is ridicolous (races as you know them don’t really exist).

The genetic part, once you are distant enough to fuck goes outside the window as the piece of pseudoscience that it is.

>> No.10265322

>>10265286

I think you're projecting that last paragraph onto me. I hold these values because I wish to live by them and through them become closer with God and help my people. Amongst other things naturally..

I'm not saying that one person can't be "better at running" than another and that they shouldn't acknowledge this. I'm saying excessive pride leading to bitterness is wrong. If you don't feel that way then ok.

I understand that speaking sincerely on a website saturated in irony and vitriol may come off as inappropriate. But I'm not sure why you feel recognizing that gives you some great understanding of my psyche.

>> No.10265332

>>10265304
I would love to read more of whatever document that is. Would you please, kindly state the source?

>> No.10265340

>>10265313
>applies the sexual fantasies of a coked-out nihilistic kike to everyone he meets: the reply

>> No.10265341

>>10265314
If you don't like Gould, you can go with H. Allen Orr, or Richard Levins, or Massimo Pigliucci.

>> No.10265342

>>10265332
At the top: Human Accomplishment by the same author of the Bell Curve, Charles Murray.

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>>10265292
>They are not environment neutral

>> No.10265346

>>10265251
The average IQ of 100 is based on whatever is average in white people. Whites as a group are always the average.

The reason we see Asians doing better is because there are more of them. Since high intelligence is a genetic mutation the more of you that exist the more mutants you will have. As such since Asians aren't held back by having low IQ like blacks, they have far more genius mutants than any other group.

>> No.10265353

>>10264889
>I don't know anything about anything, but you should not know anything about anything like I do.

>> No.10265359

>>10265313
>thinks freudian theory is relevant in 2017

>> No.10265372

>>10265152
I'm not even white, cuz.

>> No.10265373

>>10265322
It's funny how the most pathetic claim you're projecting when you point out what they're doing. They can't argue against you so they have to turn to "no, u" like a child.

You're a pathetic excuse for a man so you try to devalue those better than you. Your entire ideology is to drag everyone down to your level so that you don't have to compete.

You're not even self aware of what you're doing and how pathetic you sound.

>> No.10265378

>>10265168
IQ is an american scam for selling tests at high prices.

IQ predicts high SAT scores. SAT scores determine what college you get in. College determines your future career.

Yeah wow, I'll call the IQ Nostradamus.

>> No.10265381

>>10265359
Doesn't know freudian theory is relevant in 2017.

>> No.10265384

>>10265342
Thank you, friend. I will add this to the book queue.

>> No.10265386

>>10265343
Please explain how tests take into consideration factors as:
-nutrition
-family's education
-educational resources in the neighborhood and family
-life security
-mental illness that comes from poverty and abuse

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10265387

>tfw to intelligent to not systematically invade and oppress the native peoples of the world

t. the white race

>> No.10265391

>>10265346
Whites also have the greatest amount of genetic variation of any group. Just as we are the only group that doesn't have mud-colored hair and eyes, we also have a widest range of genetic intelligence, including the most +++ IQ individuals. Asians are also more like high functioning robots than creative geniuses as you're supposing. Take it from someone who's lived over there.

>> No.10265392

>>10265359
>>10265340
You boys should know it is ridiculous to reply to Freudposting, and it needs not be encouraged.

>> No.10265393

>>10265378
IQ wasn't invented for anything like that. It predates the SATs by decades

>> No.10265397

>>10265060
>Everyone who states facts is a libruuuuul
Back to plebbit.

>>10265061
Depends what you mean with self-preservation. Arguably, the fact that people have been able to suppress their self preservation instinct on the personal level (preservation of the I) and redirect it onto a larger structure (the family, the state, God etc) has been the deciding factor for the success of their civilization.

>> No.10265398

>>10265304
How does this book solve the issue that a society would obviously places higher emphasis on their own achievers? It seems obvious that as western culture has its direct roots in the big four we'd pay greater attention to their history rather than ones from countries in the periphery.

>> No.10265401

>>10265391
I never said Asians were creative. Whites are clearly the most creative race. Asians are very good at refining something and sharpening it to a point only autism can.

There is a reason why Asians being bug people is a meme.

>> No.10265403 [DELETED] 

Racism is an inherent biological trait. Observation of nature/the animal kingdom validates this. Humans are tribal creatures and are naturally inclined to associate/cooperate with others who naturally appear to be a part of their tribe.
>What is the logic behind racism? Im talking beyond the biological reaction of "he looks different than me, i cant trust him!"
Forced integration is a failed experiment. Not even /pol/-tier memeing, just look at the state of current domestic sociological affairs. Both whites and blacks are reacting to this realization in their own ways, but it's reaching a header, and things are only going to get better worse before they get better.

>> No.10265406

>>10265386
But it has been proven that even while raised in the same, sufficient environments (read: black children raised by whites in upper middle class families), blacks consistently get lower scores than whites on both biased and culturally neutral IQ tests. Literally type race and IQ on youtube and you will quickly find the sources.

>> No.10265407

>>10265398
I don't think Murray gets into what you're asking. He's a bit of a cuck.

>> No.10265408

>>10265393
The studies that correlate it to better career outcome are all made or financed by groups who are trying to sell it to companies to use it to select personnel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient#Job_performance

It's the same with people that sell the mbti and the whole industry of personality test that dumbasses in hr constantly invest in.

It's the same reason why the APA and the DSM are so much test based. Because people invent test and then sell them to hospitals as diagnostic tools for millions of dollars.

Once you leave the US no one cares about IQ and finds it a pretty silly test that has no utility other then score cognitive abilities of people (i.e. you get someone after an injury and you want to see if he is reasoning ok or if the injury affected his cognitive abilities).

Isn't it suspicious that this form is super popular in one country, and completely disregarded in university departments literally everywhere else?

>> No.10265414

>>10265386
They don't and they don't need to, that's my point. Why should a test neutralize factors that effectively change your overall intelligence? It's doing exactly what it's supposed to do

>> No.10265417

Racism is an inherent biological trait. Observation of nature/the animal kingdom validates this. Humans are tribal creatures and are naturally inclined to associate/cooperate with others who naturally appear to be a part of their tribe.
>What is the logic behind racism? Im talking beyond the biological reaction of "he looks different than me, i cant trust him!"
Forced integration is a failed experiment. Not even /pol/-tier memeing, just look at the state of current sociological affairs throughout the west; more so whites than blacks, but both groups are (to varying extents) sick of being told that we must be accepting of each other when there are blatant cultural/biological discrepancies. Both whites and blacks are reacting to all of this in their own ways, but it's reaching a header, and things are only going to get worse before they get better.

>> No.10265420

>>10265401
you said they have more genuises

>> No.10265436

>>10265406
Yes because I'm going to get my scientific knowledge from youtube.

Tell me which study it is and I will lead you through it's bullshit methodology, because if something like that would have proven, the discussion on IQ would be completely different today.

>> No.10265437

>>10265408
No one is saying it's the end all be all, and whites itt who are acknowledging that jews and Asians score on average higher are saying that it can't measure for creativity, with spatial tests being somewhat limited, that have led to whites inventing nearly everything.

Mean IQ of populations is the most important factor anyway.

>> No.10265439

>>10265420
Meanwhile every genius since the Renaissance has been German or British...'genius level IQ' is some proud soccer mom tier bullshit

>> No.10265448

>>10265408
>literally predicts grades in the education system, job performance and lifetime economic success better than any other metric
>it's irrelevant though lmao, only idiots care about it

>> No.10265450

>>10265439
Didn't know Leonardo was a german.

>> No.10265454

>>10265439
>Meanwhile every genius since the Renaissance has been German or British
Imagine being this illiterate.

>> No.10265457

>>10265436
There has been multiple studies on this.

The problem you're having is that you think "science" is some sort of magical entity that changes society. You're acting as if the current political system doesn't suppress things it doesn't want out there. The reason why the discussion on IQ is controversial at all is because the West is suiciding it's self on equality and a denial of biology. It doesn't matter how much evidence you present, you're not going to stop a cult that screams racist as it's form of heresy.

>> No.10265459

>>10265436
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study

>> No.10265462

>>10265450
Taking things absolutely literally is a sign of a low IQ, sorry guy

>> No.10265465

>>10265448
The point is that it doesn't. Verbal IQ predict how well you will do in school. More logic based IQ predict your SAT which predict the school you will go.

And again: explain why no one else in the world literally gives a shit about it? Are the only good psychology departments in the US?

>> No.10265477

>>10265454
Imagine having this bad an inferiority complex

>> No.10265483

>>10265459
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study
>130 children

Ok.

>> No.10265488

>>10265465
actually, yes.

There are no world class colleges in Europe outside of Oxbridge. Not sure about Asia but thats so culturally different you cant compare.

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> lwhite american
>thinking you're superior in any way to a nigger

>> No.10265501

>>10265373

I don't think what you're saying is true. Though I explained the reasons for my belief to you, you insist that they are otherwise, why is that?

I said you were projecting because the things you told me are not actually related to my ideology. It seems more like a reactionary claim to your own ideology feeling threatened.

Do you think this makes sense? I tell you that I want compassion to permeate and I have adopted such values through spirituality. You hear this, and tell me that it is actually some secret desire to lower the playing field so I can get a leg up. Why do you think this is true? Why do you, a person on an anonymous forum, think you understand the ideology of another anonymous man, without knowing his true character at all?

It would be like if I told you that your responses were a result of a hidden inferiority complex. Or that you secretly envy a black penis and that's why you go out of your way to denounce it online. Does that sound absurd to you? If so, then you may understand how I feel hearing your claims about me.

Ultimately, it's fine. I'm responding, knowing that you'll probably just either not respond or reiterate what you've already said. But maybe you'll hear me out? Or maybe you'll continue. I really don't know, but I hope you do consider that you may just be very angry and arrogant.

>> No.10265508

>>10265286
Happy 12th birthday!

>> No.10265514

>>10265488
You pseud:

http://cwur.org/2017.php

And most of the differences on impact is because of financing with professors teaching a semester in the us to finance their research and that's where it gets published.

>> No.10265515

So this thread seems to have devolved into a bunch of posts arguing whether or not IQ is effected by race. Let's conclude that it is. This being so, why do you feel that is effective grounds to debase one another? Why is it not simple enough to say "i can do this and he can't" and move on.

What do you think inspires men to develop the notion of superiority to another race? Or rather, what do you think inclines men to romanticize the idea of a "master race"?

>> No.10265537

>>10264806
>What is the logic behind racism?
It's part of the sexual competition that sets in with puberty. It seems to be a lot more prevalent in dumber people with poor self-esteem who feel sexually inadequate and have low social status.

>> No.10265547

>>10265515
>whether or not IQ is effected [sic] by race
There is no question that it is. But you should take your naive humanism to reddit. IQ is a proxy for talking about human difference in the face of the jewish elite preaching equality throughout the west as they did communism throughout the east last century. The point is to break down the lies so that whites can eventually remove the non-whites being shoehorned into our countries by the millions.

>> No.10265548

>>10265515
>whether or not IQ is effected by race. Let's conclude that it is. This being so, why do you feel that is effective grounds to debase one another?
Ok, in that case, why would any sane white person, taking into account this conclusion we've established, that their IQ is higher than that of a black person's, opt to work with somebody who visibly (based on skin color) has a lower IQ? That doesn't make any sense, and is more likely to be a losing trade for the one with the higher IQ, assuming the IQ difference is great.

>> No.10265581

>>10265548

I think that's a valid point. However, it doesn't necessarily account for the fact that not every white person that man works with would have a higher IQ than every black person he worked with. It'd definitely work if there weren't thousands of exceptions on either side. Even if the general consensus is that one is lesser than the other. It doesn't mean that it'll be inherently true on a case by case level.

>>10265547

I feel you. I definitely agree that my ideology is not at all suitable for the modern world in terms of practicality. We've been so conditioned into these sorts of "equality isn't real" systems that it sounds silly to suggest otherwise.

Can you (or anyone) elaborate the issue whites take with POC being brought into their countries?

My ideal society (as a black man) is for everyone to just fuck off from each other and show love to people they don't understand. Granted, that doesn't really seem attainable these days.

>> No.10265585

>>10265501
No one cares what you think. The way you speak and your ideas tell us who you are. We can see through your bullshit and see that you're just weak.

You have to project your weakness onto other people in order to keep any sort of ego that would other wise collapse your mental health if you admitted to it.

You wish to destroy the hierarchy because you cannot compete within it. The reason you wish for compassion is because you know there are superior people around you and you need them to lower themselves to your level. You need them to give up their superior position so that you're no longer inferior.

The language people use tell you about their personality. It tells you what type of ideology they buy into and how they see the world. Your language, your approach to this topic screams beta male. The type of guy who thinks feminism will get him laid because if he destroys the family and makes all women into sluts then he might get a little pussy. That's the level of pathetic you come across as.

My ideology is based on natural law. I don't feel inferior. I don't need to project my inferiority onto others as you are doing. I know I can compete within natural law. I know that I am a strong enough man that I don't have to collapse the system to achieve things in life. I do not fear you or any one else's criticism of my ideology because I know that ultimately there is only natural law and everything else is simply a temporary blip before it collapses and reverts back to natural law

>> No.10265594

>>10265548
>that their IQ is higher than that of a black person's
By that logic if their IQ was higher than the average person then why would they opt to work with any person?

>> No.10265603

>>10265581
There we go folks! We have a winner! Roll up! Roll up! Come see the amazing Negro!

The reason why this guy is so obsessed with equality is because he comes from an inferior race. He's trying to argue that he should be allowed into a superior white country because his race never built anything but spears and mud huts. His entire motivation is not about compassion, it's about being a parasite off of functional races since knows his cannot compete.

This threads done. Mods should lock it. It's just a negro trying to mind fuck his superiors.

>> No.10265605

>>10265585
>You wish to destroy the hierarchy because you cannot compete within it.
Literally 4chan

>> No.10265606

>>10265514
Wait a minute are you agreeing or disagreeing with the post you quoted? Your link shows the top 10 are 8 US colleges and 2 UK.

>> No.10265618

>>10265581
There are a lot of issues, but it's just not beneficial for whites to live with a black underclass that commits an inordinate amount of crime. But I don't even have an issue with blacks qua blacks. The main issue is with jews, who with funding for the Lehman Brothers et al, were largely responsible for bringing blacks to America in the first place, and are currently trying to use blacks as their shock troops against whites through the media, the academic victim scheme, etc. This is bad for both blacks and whites, we're being used by a third party. But if it were up to me I would gladly pay for blacks to be resettled in a new nation in Africa. You are out of place here, it should have never happened, and we should both want to increase your people's self-determination instead of continuing on this path that has quite obviously failed.

>> No.10265621

>>10265603
You come from an inferior race unless you're an Ashkenazi Jew. 1% of the worlds population, 25% of the Nobel Prizes. In the hard sciences that are more meritocratic is essentially 100% Jewish. That is a true masterrace.

>> No.10265628

>>10265585
>>10265548
>>10265547

I fully agree with the premise that lessers should be excluded from our society, however I see no reason to do this on a race by race basis. Simply administer IQ tests to the population and deport (or destroy) those who score under 100. Seems fair to me.

>> No.10265631

>>10265594
Let's say you're white and have a task to be completed is not a one-person job and you needed a second person to accomplish it, and the choice of who you could work with was between a white person (higher IQ) and a black person (lower IQ), and the conclusion we're working with (albeit hypothetical) is that whites generally have higher IQs than blacks - knowing nothing about this other person you need to choose to work with except for their skin color, that the white would choose to work with the black is a pretty silly conclusion to draw, and by all measure a stupid decision on the white person's part.

>> No.10265639

>>10265628
People regress to the mean. An outlier from Nigeria with a high IQ will produce children closer to the mean of Nigeria. Societies should be structured as they always have: along racial lines.

>> No.10265641

>>10265628
>>10265621
IQ is not the only thing that matters. You can have a high IQ thief who uses his intelligence to steal things better than any one else. That doesn't mean you want him in your society.

Since we're discussing Jews lets go with that. Who wants Jews in their society when all they do is fuck the economy with debt and create pornographic industries? They use their intelligence to turn women into public use sluts, which then leaks more and more into the mainstream as they use their debt based income to buy up the mainstream media. Then you end up with a situation like ours where todays mainstream TV has cartoons of little girls masturbating in Sweden and you can't turn on a TV show without sex being involved. It's just utterly corrupt and no matter how high their IQ they're destructive.

Since we're dealing with el negro here lets put it in ape terms. Blacks have low time preference, they prefer something immediately to something superior by waiting. This sort of mentality leads to credit card abuse, pay day loans, criminality and makes it all but impossible to build any sort of long term functional plan. This on top of them resorting to violence because they lack the intelligence to solve problems without it makes them a problem race.

It doesn't matter that there is some magic Negro with 120 IQ who can pretend to have invented peanut butter. If he's so great then he can raise the black race out of their mud huts. He is definitely not worth having 20,000 screaming baboons torching cities when he can easily be replaced by someone with the same IQ from the home nation.

>> No.10265668

>>10265631
Is the task an IQ test?

>> No.10265669

Racism is a funny subject because there are really two types of racial discrimination that get lumped together in this conversation - personal, and population.

Population discrimination is what happens in instances like the OP, where Murray measures a difference in IQ scores across races, even adjusted for economic level etc. You can say that IQ is a bullshit metric, and you would sort of be right, but it's actually incidental to the fact that there exists a disparity between racial groups at all. This disparity can be measured in tons of performance-related metrics that aren't bullshit. For intellectual metrics, such as university acceptances and test scores, Asians come out on top. For physical metrics, such as max sprint speed and endurance, Africans lead the way. These are measurable disparities between populations, and can be modeled as Murray did with bell curves. Based on these findings, we can, for instance, hypothesize that we expect African-Americans to be less likely to make it in to high-level universities. What we find in the real world seems to confirm this - historically, places like Duke, Harvard, etc have struggled to bring the percentage of African-American students on campus up to par with their representation in the American population. They have even gone so far as to lower requirements for African-Americans applying to their schools, ironically screwing them over by putting them in an environment they are not equipped to compete in.

Personal discrimination, on the other hand, is the classic image of a "coloreds" water fountain, or a shop owner refusing someone service based on their race. Often, /pol/ et al will use population discrimination to justify personal discrimination: "blacks are more likely to commit crimes, so of course I don't want one moving into my neighborhood!" This is a logical non sequitur - assuming you don't want crime in your neighborhood, you should want to prevent criminals from entering your neighborhood. A law-abiding black man will not bring crime with him, simply by virtue of not being a criminal. This misappropriation of prejudice (onto the potential blackness of the new neighbor, rather than the potential criminality) is a result of conflation between population statistics and individual characteristics, a sort of modal fallacy. Most racial supremacists see Murray saying "blacks have on average 10 IQ points less than whites" and start assuming that every black person is dumber than every white person, totally failing to grasp the fundamental property of bell curves: variance.

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>> No.10265675

>>10265669
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Of course, on the other side of the spectrum, groups like the progressive left set themselves against not just personal but also population discrimination, out of the same misunderstanding of statistics and a protective instinct toward their primary axiom, that being an extreme version of tabula rasa. They decry Murray as a racist and, implicitly, a liar, despite the fact that his research is legitimate and his numbers are based in reality, not ideology. This weakens the progressive position by setting it against verifiable fact, and also undermines its supposed dedication to Enlightenment rationality. This leads to problems like the Harvard acceptances mentioned above, where progressive action actually hurts the people it's meant to help, simply because to do otherwise would be to dismantle progressivism.

Ultimately what everyone needs is a lesson in statistics. Population discrimination, when carefully considered and when assumptions are managed, can be a -predictive- tool for modelling current and future situations. This model can then inform decisions, but only if the statistical nature of the model is understood. Population discrimination is an objective, measurable fact. Whether or not that matters to you is dependent on your worldview, but for most people that is enough. Personal discrimination is a more thorny subject, but at the very least we can say that it is not justified by population discrimination. Just because you believe one group of people averages less at some metric than some other group, does not mean you should value every member of the latter over the former. To do so would be terrible mathematics.

>> No.10265679

>>10265618

I feel you on this. The issue is that African black people do not like black Americans. As a matter of fact, most black people in their native countries don't like us. So as much as we'd love to pack up and go somewhere else and get a fresh start, we can't. So all we can do is try our best to get our shit together within our own community but there are a myriad of forces pushing us to do otherwise. It is truly awful but I will do what I can to aid in our prosperity.

>> No.10265684

>>10265641
ALL Jews do is create porn?!?! What about every single Physicist of the 20th Century?!

>> No.10265695

>>10265639
That's not the way regression towards the mean works.

>> No.10265696

>>10265679
It would be up to you whether you would rule over the continent or keep to yourselves and not even interact with them. Spread the word about the jew to other blacks though, our enemy is the same here.

>> No.10265704

>>10265695
Yes it is. But I've had this conversation before on here and embarrassed the guy who said what you did so I have no reason to do it again.

>> No.10265711

/pol/, how can Jews all be communists AND be running Wall Street AND the media AND everything else, doesnt make sense somehow...