greatest writers of all time

[Anonymous No.10248990]

1. William Faulkner
2. Franz Kafka
3. Virginia Woolf
4. James Joyce
5. Gertrude Stein
6. Samuel Beckett
7. Anton Chekhov
8. Vladimir Nabokov
9. Marcel Proust
10. Fyodor Dostoevsky

[Anonymous No.10248994]

Are we talking strictly prose? I can't tell from your list. Where tf are the Romans? The Greeks? Who puts Woolf above Joyce? Why is Stein on the list? Are you ok?

[Anonymous No.10248996]

>no great writers lived before 1800

[Anonymous No.10249001]

You forgot J.K. Rowling

[Anonymous No.10249009]

>>10248990
you sound like someone who's read fewer than 500 books in your life

[Anonymous No.10249014]

>No Shakespeare

[Anonymous No.10249018]

>>10248990
BECKETT AT 6 WHEW YOU'RE MAKING FAULKNER LOOK BAD

[Anonymous No.10249024]

>Virginia Woolf
>Gertrude Stain
LOL! Replace these with Melville and Borges.

[Anonymous No.10249035]

>>10248994
greatest poets:

1. William Carlos Williams
2. William Butler Yeats
3. John Milton
4. John Keats
5. Walt Whitman
6. William Blake
7. Allen Ginsberg
8. William Shakespeare
9. Ezra Pound
10. TS Eliot

[Anonymous No.10249037]

>>10248990
Those are good writers, of course, but too modern and sparse for a "greatest of all time" list. And Faulkner, Woolf and Nabokov before Proust?

[Anonymous No.10249041]

>>10248990
no author really moved me emotionally like john williams. he is what i look up to

[Anonymous No.10249042]

>>10249024
Why can't brainlets appreciate based Virginia?

[Anonymous No.10249045]

>>10248990
>Dostoevsky as #10
Good one anon! I had a laff

[Anonymous No.10249051]

>>10248990
>Kafka
There needs to be stricter enforcement of the 'must be 18 to post' rule.

[Anonymous No.10249060]

>>10249045
Agreed, he shouldn't be on the list at all.

>>10249051
Leave

[Anonymous No.10249062]

>>10249051
who is your favorite author?

[Anonymous No.10249093]

>>10249035
well what do ya know i forgot Neruda. Looks like nobody's perfect!

*
1. William Carlos Williams
2. William Butler Yeats
3. Pablo Neruda
4. John Milton
5. John Keats
6. Walt Whitman
7. William Blake
8. Allen Ginsberg
9. William Shakespeare
10. Ezra Pound

[Anonymous No.10249104]

>>10249062
David Foster Wallace

[Anonymous No.10249106]

>>10249060
Go express your teen angst somewhere else please.

>>10249062
Depends on the category, but it's insulting to see Kafka on a list like this. There are few writers more overrated and it's a testament to our times being those of the emotionally and intellectually stunted white male that this talentless subversive gets brought up by those still stuck in a 10th grade mindset.

[Anonymous No.10249107]

What do you think of Scaruffi’s top 10 novels?

1. Kafka, Franz: The Trial
2. Bulgakov, Mikhail: The Master and Margherita
3. Witkiewicz, Stanislaw: Insatiability
4. Mann, Thomas: Buddenbrooks
5. James, Henry: The Golden Bowl
6. Bronte, Emily: Wuthering Heights
7. Nabokov, Vladimir: Ada
8. Pynchon, Thomas: V
9. Gogol, Nikolaj: Dead Souls
10. Faulkner, William: Light in August

[Anonymous No.10249110]

Why are anglofags so retarded?

[Anonymous No.10249116]

>>10249106
>>10249051
Kafka is ubiquitous, sorry you’re stuck in a avant-teen mindset.

[Anonymous No.10249117]

>>10249106
>Talentless subversive
Embarrassing

[Anonymous No.10249119]

>>10249107
i havent read many of those but saying light in august is faulkners best is not even funny it is so wrong

[Anonymous No.10249135]

>>10249116
>>10249117
Angry teen HS posters like this who unironically think Kafka is a good writer explain a lot of /lit/'s dysfunctionality -- weird virgin posts, trolling YouTube girls, book recs for depressed and suicidal -- these are the people who defend Kafka on here, the loser archetype.

[Anonymous No.10249141]

>>10249119
Get over yourself lol, you Sound and Fury baby.

[Anonymous No.10249164]

>>10249106
>>10249135
Yes, we have seen your posts about Kafka being overrated, talentless and subversive a couple times before. We understand fully that you disdain all Jewish writers, and view them as emotionally and intellectually stunted because of their race. We know that you believe they are damaging the white male. We know how you feel about Proust, Salinger, etcetera. But you never tell us which writers you enjoy yourself. Is it really too much of a trap? Of course the anons will pounce on you, but surely if you are right that will not matter at all.

[Anonymous No.10249166]

>>10249135
>This amount of projection
Please go back to the hole from where you came from.

>>10249107
Typical Scaruffi list. He always picks famous artists but lists them in a unusual order/cites less famous works because he wants to appear sophisticated.

[Anonymous No.10249173]

>>10249135
>assumed authority
>writing as if he’s lecturing an imaginary audience (because he fantasizes about being in control)
>entry level social theorist
>”--”
>”archetype”
Please leave, you absolute clueless retard.

[Anonymous No.10249172]

>>10249035
How do you even come up with this sort of autism?
Are you actually incapable of reading any other language?

[Anonymous No.10249174]

>>10249135
You really have to be a special kind of deluded contrarian or /pol/ack to think that Kafka's praise is undeserved.

But no, sure, guys like Borges and Krasznahorkai, who have fellated Kafka, are definitely just brainwashed, effeminate white males.

[Anonymous No.10249175]

>>10249166
>wants to appear sophisticated
This much projection, amirite ?

[Anonymous No.10249177]

>>10249107
>Pynchon's best work
>V
Disgusting.

[Anonymous No.10249184]

>>10249177
It’s Gravity’s Rainbow in the english list (he suggest the language-specific list on that very page)

[Anonymous No.10249186]

>>10248990
>Faulkner
>muh black people

>Kafka
>muh supernaturalism

>Woolf
>muh women are people too

>Joyce
>muh mick jibberish

>Stein
>muh women are people too

>Beckett
>muh sword through head

>Chekhov
>muh russia

>Nabokov
>muh tight teen pussy

>Proust
>muh pee smell after asparagus

>Fydor
>muh i feel bad about life

You really outdid yourself OP.

[Anonymous No.10249198]

>>10249175
It's pretty know that Scaruffi does that he's a cool guy and a decent critic when it comes to music but he has an inflated ego and his literature lists are all like that. Just look at his website.

>>10249174
>Borges and U Krasznahorkai
Not to mention Beckett, who was hugely influenced by Kafka. Yet he didn't complain about him being on the list.

[Anonymous No.10249220]

>>10249198
>that he's a cool guy and a decent critic
That’s like every fucking pop critic though. Nothing is more unsophisticated than that website

[Anonymous No.10249222]

>>10249024
Yeah. Why the fuck would Stein be on there and not Melville? Maybe these are just the people OP had to read in high school.

[Anonymous No.10249225]

>>10249220
Fuck off, Scaruffi is an incredible music critic and great writer. No one even comes close to his website.

[Anonymous No.10249229]

>>10249225
I’m defending him you retard. Sophistication is unrelated here, ofc, since he’s just a critic. Scaruffi is very obviously, all things considered, above average.

[Anonymous No.10249245]

>>10249164
>>10249166
>>10249173
>>10249174
For many weirdos and social rejects, Kafka taps into a kind of inner angst those who are inexperienced and less refined in taste are prone to find a unique connection with. It gets them through the hard times, where they see themselves as outcasts who don't fit in, by allowing them to bathe in their misanthropy instead of encouraging them to act like men and overcome these petty emotions. Kafka is the pseud's writer: the weakest of men are drawn to him and will defend him, not because of his abilities, but because of this immature emotional connection they believe they feel.

[Anonymous No.10249251]

>>10249245
Yes, we have seen your posts about Kafka being overrated, talentless and subversive a couple times before. We understand fully that you disdain all Jewish writers, and view them as emotionally and intellectually stunted because of their race. We know that you believe they are damaging the white male. We know how you feel about Proust, Salinger, etcetera. But you never tell us which writers you enjoy yourself. Is it really too much of a trap? Of course the anons will pounce on you, but surely if you are right that will not matter at all.

[Anonymous No.10249257]

>>10249245
>immature emotional connection
Some people would be tempted to call that a great psychological autoportrait. Btw you’re not even talking about Kafka’s work, but only about your contemporaries’ reading of said work, which is is absolutely unrelated ofc.

[Anonymous No.10249274]

>>10249245
Kafka never struck me as misanthropic.

>All around people are asleep. It's just play acting, an innocent self-deception, that they sleep in houses, in safe beds, under a safe roof, stretched out or curled up on mattresses, in sheets, under blankets; in reality they have flocked together as they had once upon a time and again later in a deserted region, a camp in the open, a countless number of men, an army, a people, under a cold sky on cold earth, collapsed where once they had stood, forehead pressed on the arm, face to the ground, breathing quietly.

>We are as forlorn as children lost in the woods. When you stand in front of me and look at me, what do you know of the griefs that are in me and what do I know of yours. And if I were to cast myself down before you and weep and tell you, what more would you know about me than you know about Hell when someone tells you it is hot and dreadful? For that reason alone we human beings ought to stand before one another as reverently, as reflectively, as lovingly, as we would before the entrance to Hell.

When I think misanthropic, I think a writer like Celine, who seems to have genuine disdain for most of humanity.

[Anonymous No.10249283]

>Gogol
>Proust
>Turgenev
>Kierkegaard
>Plato
>Hegel
>Joyce
>Cortazar
>Faulkner
>Nietzsche

My top 10, not in any particular order

[Anonymous No.10249286]

>>10249225
I was talking about his literature lists. They read like he has put them together after reading a couple of Wikipedia articles. Look at his national literature section, it feels very random and scattered, if you understand what I mean. I like him as a music critic too, despite the criminal 7 he gave to Aqua, lol.

>>10249245
Embarrassing. Your criticism is basically "he's appreciated by angsty teens therefore he"s bad", which is not only untrue (Dostoevskij would fit that category much better) but also a very sophomoric way to critique and a non sequitur.

[Anonymous No.10249294]

For me, Kafka's finest work by far is "In the Penal Colony," which has nothing to do with teen angst at all.

[Anonymous No.10249320]

>>10249093
A lot of Williams here.

[Anonymous No.10249324]

>>10249245
Epic!

[Anonymous No.10249329]

>>10249283
>plato
Plato was the one who ruined logic forever by turning everyone into a metaphysics retard.

[Anonymous No.10249338]

>>10249324
It's the truth. Kafka posters are of two types: jews and whites who can't break from their 10th grade mindset.

[Anonymous No.10249348]

>>10249009
Rekt

[Anonymous No.10249359]

>>10249329
>tfw brainlet
He certainly was not the one who began the metaphysicalcentric tradition of continental philosophy, but he was one of the best. Art and aesthetics reached tbe heights they did because of Plato's thought. Your mechanically autistic self cant into metaphysics, and you assuredly are an unartistic stemfaggot.

[Anonymous No.10249361]

>>10249186
>I can identify a writer trait
>They're bad

Why you can't validate your own opinion Anon?

[Anonymous No.10249380]

>>10248990
my top 10:

1. John Steinbeck
2. Kurt Vonnegut
3. Phillip K Dick
4. J. G. Ballard
5. David Foster Wallace
6. William Faulkner
7. John Irving
8. Stephen King
9. Kurt Vonnegut
10. Mark Twain

not being funny im just being honest these are my favs

[Anonymous No.10249384]

>>10249107
>3. Witkiewicz, Stanislaw: Insatiability
This is a masterpiece btw. Musil-tier.

[Anonymous No.10249392]

>>10248990
those are some of my favorites, but I think the order is off.

[Anonymous No.10249401]

>>10249009
Now you know that's not an argument.

[Anonymous No.10249421]

>>10248990
1. David Foster Wallace
2. Ayn Rand
3. Nietzsche
4. Richard Dawkins
5.Ernest Cline
6. Robert Jordan
7. Sun Tzu
8. Chuck Palahniuk
9. Joyce
10. Shakespeare

[Anonymous No.10249432]

>>10249093
Neruda is utter shit. His surrealist phase consists on entry level truisms. Canto general, los poemas de amor and so on are corny as hell. On top of that, his influence can only be called disastrous.

[Anonymous No.10249447]

No order and I label myself as functionally half illiterate:
>Cervantes
>Baudelaire
>Proust
>Faulkner
>Joyce
>Chekhov
>Dostoyevsky
>Kafka
>Sophocles
>Shakespeare

[Anonymous No.10249624]

>>10249359
I'm pretty much the opposite of an unartistic stem fag. I am studying philosophy as my major and I pretty much only care about digging for obscure music, reading classic literature, arguing about politics on facebook, queer culture, digging for interesting art on the edge of society on art blogs, destroying the concept of gender and god, and transcending the drudging consciousness of the 21st century man.

[Anonymous No.10249633]

>>10249447
>Dostoyevsky
>Good writer

[Anonymous No.10249651]

>>10249624
>digging for obscure music

Now we're talking

[Anonymous No.10249731]

>>10249624
holy shit, you're me but gay and political

[Anonymous No.10250153]

>>10248990
>greatest writers of all time
>all modernists
uh

[Anonymous No.10250525]

>>10248990
Joyce above Dostoyevsky?

Leave noob

[Anonymous No.10251237]

>>10249009
thats most people here

[Anonymous No.10251245]

>>10249624
Very nice.

[Anonymous No.10251251]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_fiction_authors
The objectively best

[Anonymous No.10251331]

>>10249633
This was a great argument; thanks for your insight!

[Anonymous No.10251338]

1. John Lennon
2. J R R Tolkien
3. E L James
4. Paul McCartney
5. J K Rowling
6. William Shakespeare
7. Lord Byron
8. Ringo Starr
9. Daphne Du Maurier
10. George Harrison

[Anonymous No.10251351]

>>10251338
please be a meme

[Anonymous No.10251363]

>>10249624
>digging for interesting art on the edge of society on art blogs
would sir care to share said blog(s)?
i'm in dire need of a blog to read on

[Anonymous No.10251383]

>>10249624

Share your lastfm right now you cunt and I'll add you and berate you on your tastes

I bet my foreskin you're not half as obscure as you think

[Anonymous No.10251389]

>>10251363

This.

If any else shares I might join in.

[Anonymous No.10251404]

>>10251351
Songwriters still count as writers, anon

[Anonymous No.10251544]

>>10249633
Guarantee you're just an impressionable contrarian who was literally memed into disliking Big D by Nabokov greentext posts.

[Anonymous No.10252080]

>>10251383
http://www.last.fm/user/metaldiscussor

Idk how last.fm is a good indicator of overall taste though. If you're just going to look at my overall artists or my last 7 days you probably won't get a good overview. So here's my top 100 as well.

[Anonymous No.10252087]

>>10251363
>>10251389
http://saddude69.tumblr.com/

I follow a bunch of blogs and collect the artwork from them on my tumblr.

[Anonymous No.10252211]

Karl Marx is definitely one of the best

[Anonymous No.10252301]

>>10249274
Kafka didn't have disdain for humanity, just an endless, arbitrary bureaucracy that drags people down and reduces their value to nothing.

[Anonymous No.10252312]

>>10248990
>1. Murakami
>2. Jonathan Franzen
>3. David Foster Wallace
>4. Margaret Atwood
>5. Bob Dylan
>6. Albert Camus
>7. Charles Bukowski
>8. Bryce Courtenay
>9. Christopher Hitchens
>10. Tao Lin

[Anonymous No.10252327]

>all these 20th century writers
>no Gaddis

[Anonymous No.10252334]

>>10252327
You're a fool. Real literary experts know that William Gass is the foremost literary prose stylist of our time.

[Anonymous No.10252384]

G-D
(PLATO)
[AQUINAS]
{Z̧̹̳̰̥̖Ạ͎͙L͖G͇͎̬̺O̟͙̯͈͟}}

[Anonymous No.10252403]

>>10249107
The Trial as number 1?

Absolutely not my friend. Im a fan of the Kafster as well, yet The Trial was rushed. The main idea was there but Kaf could have gotten more crisp, instead he hurried it along, never finished

The Trial needed more love. It was a bastard child that in the moment was exhilirating to create, sensual rush, face flush with passion. seed became a living creature and Kafka threw it off, as if disgusted by the truth within in it

He was halfway there. Authors like Joyce and Nabakov knew how to finish and polish, Kafka was crude

[Anonymous No.10252413]

>>10248990
Knut Hamsun.

[Anonymous No.10252424]

>And suddenly his cock was out, jutting upward from his breeches like a fat pink mast.

[Anonymous No.10252443]

>>10248990
>Faulkner
Top 10? Maybe und top 500.
>Kafka
Top 300
>Woolf
Not even top 1000; worthless list.

[Anonymous No.10252552]

>>10249107
He's retarded and I bet he has never read all those books

[Anonymous No.10252801]

>>10249380
Keep reading— seems like you’re having fun, anon. Godspeed. My list would resemble yours a LOT two years ago.

>Martial
>Shakespeare
>DeLillo
>Plato
>Kierkegaard
>Schopenhauer
>Aristotle
>Sam Hyde
>Montaigne

Runner ups include Thoreau, Nietzsche, Emerson, and too damn many.

[Anonymous No.10252846]

>>10252301
Yeah, he was writing for the sake of humanity against inhuman bureaucracies.

[Anonymous No.10254155]

>>10249624
>queer culture
>destroying the concept of gender
the fact that no one is criticizing you for this is problematic.
There's fucking diaper fetish drawings on your art blog too. chripes

[Anonymous No.10254163]

>>10252424
>suddenly
what a hack

[Anonymous No.10254240]

>>10254155
>There's fucking diaper fetish drawings on your art blog too. chripes
When someone tells me why this is objectively wrong I'll remove it from my blog. I honestly hate people like you who are so ideological you create arbitrary rules and spooks to govern your behavior, and impose on other people your arbitrary beliefs. I hope you realize I've been using this website for almost a decade now. Seeing people like you, it just strengthens the daily misery that I feel towards the human race in general, being predictably stupid, unintelligent creatures which make me wish that I lived in a world filled with nothing but robots who didn't come up with their own stupid little faiths.

[Anonymous No.10254312]

>>10254240
>Seeing people like you, it just strengthens the daily misery that I feel towards the human race in general, being predictably stupid, unintelligent creatures which make me wish that I lived in a world filled with nothing but robots who didn't come up with their own stupid little faiths.
*tips*
All I said was "chripes". I didn't insult you. did I accidentally dig up the corpse of your self-consciousness? is that where this anger is coming from, or are you just this oversensitive?
also, disgust isn't a spook, nor is it arbitrary; it's a survival mechanism which lets people avoid or prune those that spread disease (scat fetishists, sodomites, sluts) and danger (pedophiles, transexuals).
misanthropy, degeneracy and decay don't pay out in the end for the intelligentsia, friend. You keep sleeping with 'dirty' and your liable to be hung by populists, nationalists, and 'predictably stupid, unintelligent creatures'.

[Anonymous No.10254387]

>>10254155

This has nothing to do with anything, but that picture is one of the cutest things I've ever seen, thank you for posting it.

[Anonymous No.10254406]

>>10254387

artist is synecdoche445
he's very good

[Anonymous No.10254413]

>>10252312
I'm not going to honor this post with a reply.

[Anonymous No.10254416]

>>10254413
you literally did just that

[Anonymous No.10254883]

>>10252801
Who is this too damn many you speak of

And from what lands does it hail

(I dont assume gender)

[Anonymous No.10254887]

>>10248990
>not a single Zulu

[Anonymous No.10254915]

>>10254240
Desire/belief drive this world

Even an agnostic decides to believe he cannot make up his mind whether A or B, god or no god.

You hold humanity in contempt; there is still good in man, in nature. Hold fast against truly disgusting pukes such as:

>exhibit A:
>>10254312

Throw off this clown, daddy trump will teach him why white nationalist alt right racism/sexism never works

When dawn comes and he still runs with the orange gorilla, hordes of free men will hunt down these sick ideas and professionally exterminate the root of the cancer, gut the wheat from the chaff, off with their heads

Pathetic sheep

[Anonymous No.10255742]

>>10254915
Please, point to where I said anything racist, sexist, in support of donald trump, or white nationalist.
All I did was remind the other guy of the routine destruction of the Rasputin class, his fellow obscene know-it-alls who with their misanthropic pretentions drive away the polite society which let's them live and debauch.
I wasn't shitting out some violent powerfantasy like you. The intelligentsia of the Weimar republic fell into the same fleshpot the angsty weirdo and their end was unhappy
>Pathetic sheep
*tips*
Frankly, I feel like your just saddude69 samefagging.

[Anonymous No.10255746]

>>10255742
*as the angsty weirdo

[Anonymous No.10255765]

>>10248990
>Stein
>Chekhov
>Woolf
>Nabakav Fairy Guy
>top 10
meanwhile
>Pynchon
>Bolano
>Borges
nowhere to be seen.
delet this

[Anonymous No.10255770]

>>10249384
it is also, unironically, the only decent and non-pretentious hipster choice on Scruffy's list.

[Anonymous No.10255785]

>>10255770
>Master and the Margarita and Dead Souls are hipster choices
friendly reminder that you're on the second most hipster board on this website

[Anonymous No.10255796]

>>10249245
>another impotent attempt to box kafka into one avenue of interpretation

ayy, keep trying

[Anonymous No.10255820]

>>10254240
>>10249624
there's no way you're over 18

[Anonymous No.10255827]

Hawthorne
Twain
Blake
Hugo
Camus
Heinlein
Herbert,Frank
Voltaire
Crowley
Shakespeare

*In no particular order

[Anonymous No.10255833]

>>10255820
according to his blog, this semester is his fourth attempt at college.
The guy is an enormous loser, it's really quite fantastic. there's a post where he says that browsing Tumblr is just as a constructive behavior as actually doing something with one's life, like going to college or getting involved in the work force.

[Anonymous No.10255856]

>>10255833
Well cognitively speaking your brain has a hard time distinguishing between when you do something vs imagining doing something.
Atleast according to fMRI scans.

[Anonymous No.10255889]

>>10255833
You're no more than a pile of cells, and there is no such thing as normal. One pile of cells may accomplish more than another pile in the context of a society - it may be able to accomplish more in the context of a society (many adjacent piles of cells) - but it is still nothing more than a pile of cells, and it's accomplishments are nothing more than rearrangements of other piles of cells which are always merging and separating in a transient and inexorable way.

[Anonymous No.10255923]

>>10255889
and the thing that made you think we're nothing but piles of cells is nothing but a pile of cells itself. the boundaries of comprehension aren't the boundaries of reality nor are they the best place to build your understanding of your microcosm of reality from.
It helps no one to be so reductive.
In fact, given the mentality of the tumblrina who linked their blog in this thread, it's self-destructive to reduce human interaction to mere 'rearrangements of other piles of cells which are always merging and separating in a transient and inexorable way.'
It's not a philosophical stance, it's a philosophical symptom of a myopic social-outcast and/or the mentally ill.
You're not woke or redpilled; you're just a loser.

[Anonymous No.10255951]

>>10255923
What you just said doesn't really make sense. I bet you're the kind of person reads Descarte's theories of the soul and takes his word as the gospel or something. It doesn't matter what it "helps" to be so reductivist; what's the alternative? Maintain illusions of grand fabrications so you can fight against the fear of the creeping inescapable void? I embraced the void a long time ago, you sound like a coward, like an insane homeless man on a street corner who goes and screams at people about god and being saved because he feels his knowledge is so incontrovertible that the simple act of rudely screaming it in people's faces justifies itself on it's own merits.

I think you know this though. If there's one thing that I've learned from posting online for so long, it's that people know when they are saying something ridiculous. They keep telling it to other people as if it were a joke, then they may conflate it with their double think, simultaneous restlessness about the creeping void of life itself which they deflect by mocking others - as if to try to joke about the fact that they're born into a losing struggle.

[Anonymous No.10255999]

>>10255951
>what's the alternative?
Life is the only thing that will ever happen to you. Choosing to deny it when you have all the faculties required to affirm it isn't being fearless, it's being a mistake. Cells aren't meaningless to other cells, and calling inter-cellular affection insanity is silly. embracing the void when you're flesh isn't wisdom, it isn't higher knowledge, it's just melodrama brought on by mistakes in the code of your cells.
Again, your type of useless, nihilistic decadence, when it starts to peak in the intellectual communities, makes the educated class into the canary-corpse for the oncoming era of righteous violence. People like you are a dead end, and would do society well to simply kill yourselves, if life is so meaningless to you.
Also:
>reddit spacing

[Anonymous No.10256002]

>>10255999
Oh, classic show, my friend. Don't respond to the points logically, just repeat your thesis. I'm not convinced, and you shouldn't be surprised. You're almost certainly not surprised.

[Anonymous No.10256011]

>>10255999
>those anti-satan trips of truth

[Anonymous No.10256026]

>>10256002
don't say nonsense tantamount to
>we're, like, just cells man, and that means, like, anything that happens to us is meaningless because cells are meaningless because they're finite or something
and expect an argument.

[Anonymous No.10256039]

>>10256026
>>10256002
I mean for fucks sake, you spend most of the post I was replying to (>>10255951) coming up with some weird inference about who I am because I don't hate the fact that I'm alive like you do, because I don't buy into hedonism like you do, and then you want a real argument in return.

[Anonymous No.10256062]

>>10256026
You spewed out a meaningless diatribe of metaphysical nonsense which doesn't make sense to anyone who hasn't bought into a structure of religious based axioms. Try not believing in these arbitrary ideas and try come to a position where you think what I think. You can't, because your faith is based on dogmas, it's ideological.

[Anonymous No.10256086]

>>10256062
>try leaving the idea that the meaning of flesh on flesh interactions is created by the flesh instead of the void and instead embrace the baseless idea that the void defines everything that is and isn't the void
>see, you can't do it. clearly instead of being a sign of ordinary mental health this is a sign of indoctrination. clearly your religious and ideological. if you want to be truly enlightened, like me, you should embrace blind philosophical naturalism and masturbate to diaper fetish porn. self-respect, self-disgust and a passion for life are just spooks created by ideology, not biological inclinations
man your sure aren't ideological at all. your faith in the void sure isn't dogmatic in the least.

[Anonymous No.10256093]

>>10256086
Your faith that the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist surely isn't dogmatic in the least.

[Anonymous No.10256142]

>>10252087
I've decided that I'm going to write you into a story where an obnoxious alt rightist finds you having a bad trip, huddled and babbling about unwashed hordes of fascists coming to hang you, and the alt rightist starts tormenting you with grizzly made up details about the uprising, but eventually moves on to trying to have a reasonable conversation with you, when the alt-rightist realizes that in your drugged state your humanity is starting to flood back into you.
She (the alt rightist is a somewhat chubby female, modeled after a slightly more pear shaped willendorf venus) has on a pair of tights, the surface of which is a moving star map. your character obsesses (both before and during the trip) about the darkness of the map instead of the stars moving through it.
He (you) starts trying to lay his head into the "void" of her lap. I'll figure out the rest

>>10256093
non est argumentum

[Anonymous No.10256211]

>>10256142
>non est argumentum
How is making truth claims about the nature of cells, and imposing a completely subjective and unconfirmed statement of "meaning" on them any different from saying you believe or don't believe in the existence of god or the flying spaghetti monster. I invoked the FSM to show the irony of saying that I "believe in the void" (which is to say I believe in nothing - a contradictory statement), because he doesn't believe in the flying spaghetti monster, and wouldn't be foolish enough to say "maybe the flying spaghetti monster exists, maybe it doesn't".

"Many orthodox people speak as though it were the business of sceptics to disprove received dogmas rather than of dogmatists to prove them. This is, of course, a mistake. If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time." - Bertrand Russell

[Anonymous No.10256226]

>>10256211
>and imposing a completely subjective
Not him but the point is precisely that it's you who's saying it's a subjective matter. I for exaple would dispute that.
Also, please, don't cite Russel if you don't want to sound like the most plebeian idiot out there. Logical positivsm is dead and buried, let it rot.

[Anonymous No.10256248]

>>10256226
It's true though. He's saying that the relationship between cells isn't meaningless (and if it weren't meaningless that would also mean that it isn't subjective, which is to say socially determined). This sort of logic is easy to spot, because the outcome of this logic must always follow that there's some sort of divine meaning (which itself is vague, as everyone's definition of god and divinity is just as subjective as everyone's concept of meaning). I find it ironic that those who decry nihilism for it's supposed meaninglessness, fall into their own pit of nonsense inadvertently. Maybe if you don't like endless pits of nonsense so much you should adopt a less subjective world view.

[Anonymous No.10256251]

>>10249107
Scaruffi is a fraud m8, he hasn't read half the books on his lists

[Anonymous No.10256273]

Itt

[Anonymous No.10256299]

>>10256248
>He's saying that the relationship between cells isn't meaningless
Of course he's saying that, and I agree with him. I'm also saying (like he is) that this isn't subjective at all. Also, saying "the relationship between cells" is so reductionist you sound like a parody of someone rather than an actual someone.

[Anonymous No.10256309]

>>10256248
>I find it ironic that those who decry the idea that 'everything is without meaning' for it's supposed lack of meaning

[Anonymous No.10256311]

>>10248990

No order:

- W.G. Sebald
- Homer
- Milton
- Dante
- Thomas Browne
- Aeschylus
- Thucydides
- Joyce
- Tacitus
- St. Augustine
- Robert Frost

[Anonymous No.10256315]

>>10256299
Thank you so much for jumping in, honestly.

[Anonymous No.10256355]

>>10252080
I don't even disagree with you but you have a long way to go my dude, you're pretty just listening to modern music, "I just found out the 80s weren't shit" thrash metal and post-mallgoth, which in themselves are weird and edgy genres, but not that varied at all.

Call me when you start listening to some naziqueer martial industrial

[Anonymous No.10256753]

Jack London
Mikhail Saltykov-Shchedrin
Victor Hugo
Alexandre Dumas
Marquis de Sade
Aristophanes
Ivan Turgenev
William Shakespeare
Ivan Bunin

[Anonymous No.10256792]

Flannery O'Conner
William Shakespeare
Herman Melville
Jorge Luis Borges
Walt Whitman
Milton
Joyce
Kafka
Yukio Mishima
God

J. D. Salinger is a severely underrated runner up though.

[Anonymous No.10256798]

Flannery O'Conner
William Shakespeare
Herman Melville
Jorge Luis Borges
Walt Whitman
Milton
Joyce
Kafka
Yukio Mishima
God

J. D. Salinger is a severely underrated runner up though.

[Anonymous No.10257064]

>>10248990
ok. ok. wow. just. ok. here are the true rankings, and I would go as far as saying that the rest of fiction as a whole is a waste of time, and you're better off reading poetry or watching TV instead of reading authors who are not in this list


SUPREME MASTER GOD TIER: THE MASTER OF ALL IN THE KINGDOM OF GREAT WRITERS IN HUMAN HISTORY, AT THE TOP OF THE HIGHEST TOWER, MASTURBATING 10-15 TIMES PER DAY, AS THE HAND WITH WHICH HE WRITES ARTISTIC MASTERPIECES IS MORE SEXUALLY APPEALING THAN ANY ADONIS THE GODS CAN CONJURE
>Proust


VICE-SUPREME MASTER GOD TIER: THE ONLY WRITER DESERVING TO BE IN SAME ROOM AS THE SUPREME MASTER GOD
>Joyce


GOD TIER: OCCUPYING THE MARBLE CASTLE WITH THE SUPREME AND VICE SUPREME MASTER GOD
>Tolstoy
>Homer
>Dante
>Dostoevsky
>Shakespeare


ANGELIC DEMON TIER: PATROLLING THE CASTLE WALLS OF THE GOD TIERS AND ABOVE, AND DOING THEIR BIDDING ACROSS THE UNIVERSE, CAPTURING AND PILLAGING ENTIRE PLANETS TO TO INTO PLANET-SIZED "THE MATRIX"-TYPE BODY HARVESTING FARMS, BUT THEY HARVEST HUMAN FARTS INSTEAD OF ELECTRICITY, PACKED IN DIAMOND JARS, FOR THE FART-LOVING PROUST AND JOYCE TO HOLD UP TO THEIR NOSES AND SHIFT THEIR NOSES LEFT AND RIGHT ALONG THE RIM OF THE JAR LIKE SNIFFING A FINE WINE, THEN TAKING A HUMONGOUS INHALE AND ACHIEVING UNFATHOMABLE ORGASM, "AH, A 2017 RUSSIAN LUMBERJACK FART, GOOD YEAR" THEY SAY, NODDING THEIR HEADS AT THE ANGELIC DEMONS WHO DO THEIR BIDDING, THE ANGELIC DEMONS' HEARTS FILLED WITH JOY AT THE HONOR OF SERVING THEIR MASTERS
>Goethe
>Kafka
>Chekhov
>Morrissey
>Nabakov
>Melville
>Milton
>Chaucer
>Cervantes
>Ambrose motherfucking Bierce!


HONORABLE DRAGON WORK CREATURE TIER: THESE WRITERS' SOULS HAVE POSSESSED THE BODIES OF DRAGONS WITH LIME GREEN FUR AND FLORESCENT TIGER STRIPES WHO BREATHE GAMMA RAY BURSTS AND CIRCLE THE SUPREME MASTER GOD'S KINGDOM BY THE MILLIONS, AND OPERATE AS A HIVE MIND, AND HAVE BEEN GENETICALLY MODIFIED WITH TARDIGRADE DNA TO SURVIVE IN SPACE AND EVEN BLACK HOLES, TO HONOR WORKS THAT I ENJOYED PERSONALLY BUT THAT MAY NOT BE AS JUSTIFIED ON AN ARTISTIC LEVEL BY CONSENSUS
>Hesse
>Pynchon
>Hemingway
>Foster Wallace
>Woolf
>Flaubert
>George Eliot
>Balzac
>Borges

[Anonymous No.10257072]

>>10257064
>no O'Conner
your list is crap

[Anonymous No.10257306]

>>10255770
I strongly disagree.

Bump for Witkiewicz.

[Anonymous No.10257658]

>>10257072
I simply haven't read O'Conner yet but I copped some of her works, she's on the waitlist for honorable dragon work creature tier until further notice

[Anonymous No.10258246]

>>10257658
cool