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A friend of mine claims plato compared life to a game of dice, But I can't find this anywhere in anything he wrote.

Did he say this?

>> No.10248816

>>10248807
I don't know, but I do try to roll high in everything I do.

>> No.10248832

Platonic solids are Tetrahedron (d4), Hexahedron (d6), Octahedron (d8), Dodecahedron (d12), Icosahedron (d20).

>> No.10248834

>>10248807
no, he said life is like a box of chocolate. you never what you get.

>> No.10248836

>>10248816
>try to roll
but how can you even try to do that? you can only hope.

and lets me honest, all things occur from physics and chemistry. its all predetermined with atoms moving on a set track bound to react accordingly

>> No.10248843

>>10248836
>physics
>predetermined

>> No.10248845

Plato on Knowledge in the Theaetetus:
After a passage (152e1–153d5) in which Socrates presents what seem to be deliberately bad arguments, eight of them, for Heracleitus' flux thesis, Socrates notes three shocking theses which the flux theory implies:

Qualities have no independent existence in time and space (153d6-e1).
Qualities do not exist except in perceptions of them (153e3–154a8).
(The dice paradox:) changes in a thing's qualities are not so much changes in that thing as in perceptions of that thing (154a9–155c6).

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>>10248836
>he hasn't studied quantum mechanics

>> No.10249115

Maybe he was talking about Plato on randomness and chance.

>> No.10249122

>>10248836
Are you suggesting that die-rolling is not a skill that can be honed, like marksmanship or personal grooming?
>I've been rolling dice so long, I can channel certain numbers and have them show up with greater than usual statistical probability.
>Get on my level.

>> No.10249129

>>10248845
Whats wrong with those 3 theses?

>> No.10249131

>>10249101
Explain quantum mechanics.

>> No.10249188
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1) By my will I intend to take and complete an action. Specifically, rolling my dice. Ideally, rolling a natural 20.

2) I perform my action. My will flies with the dice from me to my hand to the crucible of fate.

3) The dice are buffeted by the circumstances of Nature -- some of which I controlled or accounted for, and others which I let lie out of laziness or some other death drive.

4) The action I intended is incomplete. I rolled a 13. My charisma modifier is -10, and Stacey's save vs seduction required an 8. Despite my best efforts, and thousands of rolls, Nature has decreed I should die a lonely wizard.

>> No.10249191

>>10249129
The world is reduced to interactions between things that don't exist.

>> No.10249203

>>10249131
I can't really do that in one post and I'm certainly no expert since I'm studing it right now. But one of many diffrences from newtonian mechanics is that you deal with probabilites instead of actual posistion/momentum/velocity etc. This is not just because our equipment is imposing limits on us but because it is mathematically impossible.

>> No.10249546

>>10249203
Nothing about QM disproves determinism. It just means that determinism has the added complication of probability.

>> No.10249587

>>10249546
but that disproves determinism since there are multiple possible futures instead of just one

>> No.10249630

>>10249587
None of which are affected by humans or consciousness of any kind - just by chance.
Say hard determinism, classically, said "If I know all possible information about the chemicals in your brain, and we had an experiment where you picked a blue or red ball, I know you would pick the red ball."
Under QM this would switch to something like "If I know all possible information about the chemicals in your brain, and we had an experiment where you picked a blue or red ball, I know that if we ran the experiment (from identical starting conditions) 1,000,000 times you would pick the red ball about 900,000 times and pick the blue ball about 100,000 times."
The only significant change is using probability in place of certainty but the point of determinism is that YOU don't pick the outcome, which remains true. It just shifts from "The outcome is predetermined" to "The probability distribution of the outcome is predetermined."
Many laymen hear a thing or two about QM and misinterpret the idea of measurements collapsing wavefunctions into someone's conscious observation changing a state. This is fundamentally wrong.

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>>10249203
>math
>metaphysics
Choose one
Quantum mechanics can't address the fundamental nature of the universe but this doesn't mean that causation is probabilistic