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>Uhhh no science has not made philosophy obsolete because without philosophy there would be no science

Can STEM ever recover?

>> No.10221784

Science is fucking lame they get NO pussy

>> No.10221793
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>>10221781
>>10221784

>> No.10221888

>>10221781
He has the phenotype.

>> No.10221908

>>10221793
me on the left

>> No.10221919
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Science was a mistake.

>> No.10221931

>>10221781
mfw science is philosophy, it's still a worldview doink. read some feyerabend

>> No.10221935

>>10221919
bernies goals as president 2020

>> No.10222439

>>10221781
fuck the kind of science that its only purpose is increasing monetary value

>> No.10222450

>tfw Derrida made liberal globalism cool again

>> No.10222534

>>10221781
While I agree with the spirit of your post, this specific defense is retarded and betrays no small lack of understanding in the history of science and philosophy as well as the contemporary relationship between them. If you only ever read continentals you will never be made aware of all the interesting foundational discussions going on at the intersection of the two disciplines that have shaped both for the past century. For shame

>> No.10222543

>>10221781
STEM and philosophy are two sides of the same coin you retarded nignog.
They start with the same foundation (logical thought) but STEM branches off into the quantitative while philosophy goes into the qualitative.

>> No.10222570

>>10221781
Kill yourself

>> No.10222596

A young, fresh and cherry STEM student walks into the halls of a sterile English department with his head held high. Stern and with a proud heave, he bellows through the cavern at the beanie-sporters scattered through the hall:

" WHAT WOULD YOU RATHER STUDY, HEATHENS? "

Seven fragrant dreadlocked beards spew coffee from their continental gullets. Free-range hens shuffle out a window somewhere.

" WORDS ON A PAGE OR THE FUCKING COSMOS? "

An emergency evacuation is called. Afghan clogs stuff the exit. Native tears are shed. A triad of cauldrons full to brim with boiling kamquat loose their bellies with a fever on the frantic patrons all around. The shelves are raided. Looters stuffing oriental knapsacks leave no kitsch untouched.

From the roaring depths of chaos in the halls, through sheets of stirring fire: calm and rigid comes up looming in the haze a stoic English professor, tailored suit to keen perfection, forty thousand pages full of Marx and further reading in an unstained palm.

Expressionless, with firm phenomenologic hold on mind and body, he whispers to the STEM student, currently engaged in evil laughter:

" What would you rather study, child? "

The student is hushed. Voiceless. The man has snared his subjectivity entirely.

" Nature - or the nature of nature? "

Of an instant all the place is silent. In the corner, captive underneath the groins of several existential theists, one brave soul begins to clap. Soon the place is flooded with cheer.

The next day, all sciences were cancelled nationwide. The shells of disenfranchised rockets sheltered lonely bohemians everywhere. All was well.

>> No.10222607

>>10222596
This is the future we want.

>> No.10222620

”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Nietzsche and accept that his genealogical method was the most highly-evolved theory the continent has ever known, even greater than Hegel's dialectics!”
At this moment, a brave, rational, positivist analytic philosopher who had read more than 15000 pages of Popper and Wittgenstein and understood the raison d'être of empiricism and fully supported all modern hard sciences stood up and held up the constitution.
”How universal is this text, frenchfag?"
The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied “It's not universal at all, fucking positivist, its 'truth' is rooted in our shared understandings about culture, the subject and the nexus of power and knowledge”
”Wrong. It’s been 225 years since human reason created it. If it was not universal, and post-modern relativism, as you say, is real… then it should be regarded as a myth now”
The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of On Grammatology. He stormed out of the room crying those ironic post-modern crocodile tears. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, Michel Foucault, wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than an AIDS ridden sadomasochist interested in fisting. He wished so much that he had some kind of truth to hold on to, but he himself had written to disprove it!
The students applauded and all rolled into American universities that day and accepted Wittgenstein as the end of philosophy. An eagle named “Formal logic” flew into the room and perched atop the copy of "Principa Mathematica" and shed a tear on the hardcover. The last sentence of "Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus" was read several times, and Karl Popper himself showed up and demonstrated how dialectics is nothing but a means of justifying contradictions.
The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of the gay plague AIDS and his "books" were disregarded for all eternity.

>> No.10222625

>>10222596
Pretty hearty kek.

>>10222607
I'm fine with STEM/the sciences being studied. The haughtiness of STEMfags who think that STEM is the only thing worth being studied, and that everything else is shit, however, needs to stop.

>> No.10222629

>>10222620
>The students applauded and all rolled into American universities
>rolled into

I hope this was on purpose

>> No.10222665 [DELETED] 

>REEE Science has assumptions behind it, it is part of philosophy!
>Ok Humanitiesfag, I agree. But in the absence of empirical verification or pure deduction, why should I care about your philosophical system over another one? Or even over a 5 year old's system?
>REEEEE SHUTUP SHUTUP SHUTUP! NEVER QUESTION ACADEMIC FASHIONS! REEE
>Sorry to have hurt your feelings Humanitiesfag, I am truly sorry. Let me ask you another question. Why do you use currently accepted science as a platform for your own unfalsifiable extrapolations while saying you don't accept the importance of scientific method and observation? You implicitly are, when you use the latest Physics results as a platform for your own musings, though if you want a lesson on Quantum Mechanics, I'd be happy to help. You clearly misuse it. Obviously you can be sceptical of the scientific method and observation, they can ultimately never be "proven to be the true reality" but they have given us results that accord with the standards of sensory data, which we humans find important in everyday life.
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE! I DON'T NEED ADVICE FROM BIRDS TO BE A PHILISOPHER OF BIRDS! STOP ASKING QUESTIONS! MY DIALECTIC EXPLAINS THE RUMINATIONS OF LATE CAPITALISM, JUST DON'T ASK ME TO PREDICT ANYTHKNG! REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

>> No.10222689

>>10222665
>continental philosophy

Forget what those frog f aggots have to say about science. Read analytic philosophy of science, by people who actually understand the object of their philosophizing

>> No.10222697

>>10222665
>look at me im so reasonable and my fictional opponent is screaming and having a mental breakdown

>> No.10222742

>>10222665
>But in the absence of empirical verification or pure deduction, why should I care about your philosophical system over another one?
Well first, you have to read them. Second, you need to not be a tool who can't form an opinion on his own. At that point you should have no problem choosing the system of your preference since all philosophy is a function of taste and not truth.

>> No.10222757

>>10222665
>I AM SILLY

>> No.10222785

>>10222665
>Unfalsifiable
Read Kuhn and Lakatos nibba
>>>10222689
This

>> No.10222813

>>10221781
Science and philosophy are two different things. Science is the and how and philosophy is the why

>> No.10222819

>>10222813
woah...

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>>10221919
>>10222439
>>10222813
Found the pseuds.

>> No.10222847

818. It is astonishing to me that popularizing scribblers like Dawkins et al. still adhere to a fundamental difference between "facts" and "opinions" over a hundred years after relativity theory, in which observers moving with different speeds (i.e. everyone, since we are all ultimately "moving with different speeds") can't even agree on what time of the day it is, let alone on anything more complex. In modern physics, the time of the day or the dimensions of an object, or its speed, or any other attribute of it whatsoever, are a matter of opinion, dear popularizing scribblers! and it is a disgrace that you, who have taken it upon yourselves to explain modern science to the general public, still fail to grasp this, despite all the pompous titles you hold and academic chairs you occupy between you. Nietzsche had already grasped it several decades before relativity ("There are no facts, only interpretations"), and without any mathematics, but if you blockheads still fail to grasp it even with math you should be made to eat the stupid dogmatic books with which you are poisoning the public's mind in the name of a naive, simplistic "objectivity"! (On the other hand, relativity theory is "Continental", since it was created by a German, and after all it's "merely a theory", without which our spacecraft wouldn't function, among many other things, and that's why the "pragmatic", "realist" Anglo-Saxons like Dawkins and his ilk are still stuck on Medieval Newtonian physics lol — and that's a fact, retards!)

>> No.10222854

>>10222847
>he actually believes in the theory of relativity in 2017

lmao

>> No.10223428

>>10221784

fuckin WEAK dude

they get NO PUSSY

>tfw derrida probably sat in a $1000 chair

>> No.10223440

Science IS philosophy, and is not infallible. Lets face it, atheists, you revere our science today much like a Christian reveres God.

>> No.10224788

>>10223440
Okay then. Disprove the speed of light.

>> No.10224823

Science cannot produce concepts and therefore has nothing to do with philosophy.

>> No.10225969

>>10224788
>Disprove the speed of light
To do that you have to make the assumption that light travels.

>> No.10225994

>>10224823
>Science cannot produce concepts
It produces far more concepts than philosophy and this is a shit criteria.

>> No.10226021

>>10225994
SCIENCE IS JUST OBSERVATION, CONCEPTUALISING A WORLDVIEW OR THEORY ABOUT SOMETHING IS PHILOSOPHY. SCIENTISTS DO PHILOSOPHY WITHOUT REALISING IT.

>> No.10226023

>>10225969
Not the person you replied to but no you don't. Unless you want to delve into thinking of light as some immaterial illusion. Otherwise you can immediately deduce that (without knowing any of the actual physical properties) there is some mechanic that transfers distinct information of different objects over distances, to eyes. Of course, we now know what it is physically comprised of. Assumptions in studying reality tend to be more axiomatic and fundamental, which are philosophical questions and decisions, not scientific.

>> No.10226031

>>10226021
Wow! Who would of thought! It's almost as though "science" or rather the scientific method and the philosophy of science, come under philosophy!

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>>10222596
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>> No.10226043

>>10226038
I love telling some engineer or STEMlord I do arts, then they say something like "I suppose we do need artists to draw stuff."

Humanities BTFO

>> No.10226070

>>10221784
>Science is fucking lame they get NO pussy

Given the recent flood of sex assault claims coming out of Hollywood, the media, and Chapo hipster commies I'm guessing the majority of people that are in the humanities are rapists. Makes sense once you interact with them. The constant status shitshow in order to get pussy. "Yeah man, I read Nietzsche, check out it everyone, I read Nietzsche. Give me pussy please."

>> No.10226092

>>10226070
I was rapey but found the humanities toned down my predatory and entitled nature