/lit/ - Literature

>>9695873

Is dragonlance the only time the movie has been better then the book ?

>>9695885
I vaguely remember reading that PKD liked Blade Runner better than Do Androids Dream...?

>>9695873
HAHAHA WTF is this?
http://bookriot.com/2017/06/23/cover-reveal-10th-anniversary-edition-name-wind-patrick-rothfuss/

They actually want $30 for this?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0756413710

>>9695896
Some would argue Fight Club.
Also, not /lit/ but in terms of adaptations Ghost in the Shell is considered to be better than the original.

>>9695905
>Ghost in the Shell
You better not be talking about that shitty American movie that just came out.

>>9695900
Rothfuss is never gonna finish the third book. They gotta recoup their advance on him somehow.

Rephrased questions about The Fifth Head of Cerberus from last thread.

Why did the abos need trees to reproduce? Is it because the parasite made them infertile? How do the trees solve that?

Also, why didn't it just infect everyone from the get go, why ever let the abos live alongside the infected shadow children? Is it because they become infertile once infected and thus can't reproduce to make new hosts? Also why didn't it infect more humans beside Marsch?

>>9695909
What do you think?

Did they died?

Also should I read the novel? From the description it seems like it's just filler.

Any Burroughs fans here? Halfway through the John Carter series. Really fun stuff man. Is Tarzan worth the read? Loved the Disney adaptation when it came out. Phil Collins needs another soundtrack deal.

>>9695900
>>9695900

Are there any fantasy authors that don't constantly drag down the legitimacy of the genre ?

I know its pretty far gone but theres gotta be someone trying right?

>>9695948
Ursula Le Guin? GRRM (I know he's kind of a neckbeard and throws tantrum sometimes but he seems like a decent enough dude overall)? N. K. Jemisin?

Uhh, I dunno the exact number.

>>9695961
>GRRM

That guy has no idea how to finish his series and is just rolling around in money from HBO while dicking around writing short stories


>N.K Jemisin
>black author who writes about oppression

???

And Ursula is about to die

>>9695973
>N.K Jemisin
>black author who writes about oppression
What's your point?

>>9695896
He died before it was released I think. A shame, he might have gotten some megabux if he survived the 80's.

>>9695991

That shes a joke ?

>>9695995
well he did do a fuckload of drugs

>>9695885
There's a dragonlance movie?

>>9696035

Yes

Its animated but it has keither sutherland

>>9696029
You know. They say if you remember the 60's you weren't really there.

>>9696043
Looks pretty shitty. Like 90's murrican superhero cartoon quality.

>>9696053

Better then the books

>>9696053
If only. The shots I saw had CG dragons. I almost barfed.

>>9695920
Don't read the novel, trust me.

>at public library whiling my life away looking at books
>place is nearly empty except for hobos, old people and a mentally retarded man rambling really loudly
>make eye contact with a cute girl who is browsing sf/f but I'm too autistic to say anything to her
>later, looking at Orson Scott Card she approaches me
>i practically run away
>see her looking at Card for a few minutes
>try to work up the courage to talk to her
>go back and she's completely gone
Someone please beat me with a brick. I don't deserve the right to breathe other people's air.

>>9696255
Forgivable if you're underage.

>>9696272
I'm 22

>>9696255
Kek, I had a cute grill corner me in the SFF section of a used bookstore. She insisted on giving me a rec and receiving one in turn. It was all I could do to keep it together until the encounter ended.

Anything that's both epic and for the win?

>>9696279
When the girl starts the conversation it's a lot easier though. Trying to start up a conversation like a cold-calling salesperson is fucking impossible. What the fuck do I say?
>so uhh... you like Card too?

>>9696255
i don't intended to marry any unless they read blindsight and enjoy it

>>9695933
>Any Burroughs fans here?
Yeah, just not that one

>>9696292
Certainly, but I'm normally too autistic to keep track of my surroundings, much less bother random females.

>>9696325
Did you recommend my diary to her?

>>9695991
that she is dragging the genre down

>>9695900
That's a really crappy cover but to be fair, all of the other covers for this book aren't that great either.

>based on the principle that belief shapes reality, the MC's magic is powered by teaching people physics wrong
Would this work as a magic system for my novel?

>>9696615
Are you a good writer? It will fail horribly if you're not.

>>9696623
Can't that be said of anything?

>>9696615
>based on the principle that belief shapes reality, the MC's magic is powered by teaching people physics wrong
>Would this work as a magic system for my novel?
So you are copying Kung Pow's Movie for a book? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d696t3yALAY

>godTree
>gravBoot
>hellDiver

I'm so glad it took me two days to get through this book, holy shit.

>>9696655
What's you're point.

Hang on what hive was Mycroft?

>>9696720
I don't know an Are.

>>9695900
that's some weak shit to be upset about.

>>9696655
what?
it's a programming convention to capitalize the second word in an object with multiple words.
don't know the book but that makes perfect sense if it's related to something digital.

>>9696779
It isn't.

>>9696784
you sure?

>>9695948
>legitimacy
This is a "danger word" and whenever it's thrown around you can be sure there's pseuds nearby.

How could you write your own fantasy novel, even if it was trash? How would you decide what 'story' to tell?

>>9695900
>hasn't even written book 3
>already doing anniversary releases for book 1
Fuck you Rothfuss

>>9696805
didn't he finish book 3 years ago and has been revising on it for years?

>>9696803
I don't understand this question. If you don't have a story to tell why would you write a novel? The whole impetus to writing a novel is so you have a way to tell the story you have. Translating the story in your head into a novel format is an arduous process, but the urge, the impetus to do it has to be very strong or else why would you do it? Writing a novel is a horrible experience like taking a massive butthole-tearing shit over a period of several weeks if not months. But it's all to get those amazing ideas in your head into a form other people can experience and enjoy.

>>9696803
Self inserting myself into a fantasy world which catered too my needs sexually and psychologically.

>>9696803
I'd simply pick themes I like and develop a story around them, let it evolve naturally from free writing, then edit it until I was satisfied with the story.
>>9696825
I love erotica with a female lead that gets into non-consensual sexual scenarios too.

>>9696760
>upset
No I think it's funny that people who already own this book will buy it again (with an awful cover)

>>9696813
I have no idea, I stopped looking into it years ago and I'm moving on with my life.

How is Gor?

>>9696791
Very.

>>9696871
requesting the pasta hear

>>9696829
>I love erotica with a female lead that gets into non-consensual sexual scenarios too.

Well, not gonna lie I am also a huge fan of those.

What are some short sff books so I can pad my goodreads challenge?

>>9695909
I'm pretty sure he means the animated movie is better than the manga.

>>9695645
Why is it that an animal lady wearing some clothes is way way hotter than one wearing no clothes at all?

>>9696655

>>9696966
The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch by PKD - 230p
We by Yevgeny Zamyatin - 225p
Merlin's Mirror by Andre Norton - 205p
Ellison Wonderland by Harlan " - 195p
A Wizard of Earthsea by Ursula K. LeGuin - 183p
The Ocean at the End of the Lane by Kneel Gay Man - 181p
Elric of Melnibone by Michael Moorcock - 181p
The Face in the Frost by John Bellairs - 176 p
The Last Days of New Paris by China Mieville - 176p
The Man Who Fell to Earth by Walter Tevis - 170p
The Man Who Japed by PKD - 168p
The Word for World is Forest by Ursula K. LeGuin - 160p
Witches of Lychford by Paul Cornell - 144p
Robots Have No Tails by Henry Kuttner - 117p
Flatland by Edwin Abbot - 96p
Sandkings by GRRM - 89p
R.U.R. by Karel Capek - 58p

>>9696829
>I love erotica with a female lead that gets into non-consensual sexual scenarios too.

>>9696965
>I am also a huge fan of those.

Any recommendations?

>>9697145
Appreciated.

>>9697145
wizard of earthsea if part of a quintology tho.

>>9696829
>I love erotica with a female lead that gets into non-consensual sexual scenarios too.
Ah, so you're an SM Sterling fan then

>>9697084
It implies they feel the need for clothes and thus can feel unclothed?

>>9697195
>SM Sterling
never heard of him.

>>9695896
They showed him the initial sequence of the movie and he liked it. He said it was similar to what he imagined.

How do you avoid being abstract and pretentious while writing? Without fault I'll always try to make every character I write deep on a level they don't need to be.

I just finished The Forever War and enjoyed it a lot. How did you guys feel about it?

>>9697613
I don't read macho crap :^)

Anyone have a link the audio book of Black Sun Rising.
I cant find it anywhere. the audiobookbay torrens is dead too.

>>9697613
good book, not as good as Armor

>>9697613
This shit makes me sad, because of how well it reflected his experience with Vietnam.
Yet doesn't mention getting high and raping charlies daughters in the village.

After Three Body I said "that was the most batshit insane thing I've ever read with a straight face." What can I say, he's topped it. Can't wait to finish the trilogy fucking hell. Science fiction truly has no rules. When the guy behind it knows even a little bit of real science, he'll take it to the fucking limit. This guy makes Stephenson look like a chump, and though it's a translation, I get the feeling he's miles ahead as a writer.

>>9697834
The translation does seem to get a lot better for the second and third books, the first one was still a bit stiff. Glad you enjoyed it anon.
As for the third book, personally I knew I was in for a wild ride when a Chinese book about future space ayyliums started off with a prologue about the fall of the Byzantine Empire in 1453.

FOUR DAYS, LADS

>>9696633
Yeah.

>>9695920
>(Almost) never a single night because many suns
>Technologically advanced society
>Scientists believe life couldn't survive a pattern of alternating sunlight (day/night)
>What is bottom of the sea
>What is fungus in caverns
Yeah don't read it

Any books about a war in a future ice age with mechs and super soldiers. I want my fix of future wank.

Reading the Mote In God's Eye right now and enjoying it, are the rest of the books in the series worth reading?

>>9696615
If belief shapes reality then physics doesn't hold, because physics is based on the assumption that the governing laws remain the same, at least in a given area and around a given time.

>>9697981
Wait, are there dickgirls in these books or was that just randomly thrown in to contrast it to cucking?

5/5 for mindfuckery and it's an excellently written book. PKD's writing style is very modern and there are some truly fucking hilarious moments like:

>"I'll sue you," the door said as the first screw fell out. Joe Chip said, "I've never been sued by a door. But I guess I can live through it.”

There are strains of Fforde's Shades of Grey in this. In fact I think Fforde borrowed some of the things from his novel from Ubik like the little epigraphs - sometimes humorous - at the start of each chapter but when it gets frightening and mindbending it certainly does.

Another person who borrows quite strongly from PKD's Ubik seems to be Doctor Who's Steven Moffat especially the world created from an individual's mind and certain grotesque 'space saving measures' are employed to sustain the world -
in fact the Library two parter seems to be a direct ripoff.

It's much better than the Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep and there are nice little nods to other works of literature that really add to the atmosphere, although definitely nowhere near as many as Palmer's Too Like the Lightning.

Ultimately my thoughts about the end of the novel.
Fucking Pat threw me. I was certain that she was the ultimate antagonist from the moment that she was classed as dangerous by Joe even though he couldn't exactly figure out why but it ended up as Jory. I thought that Jory was just a misunderstood kid. I also believed that Joe created/is Ubik. The reason why I believe this is Runciter apparently helps Joe and so does Ella but since Ubik is self creating and Ella appears to be in a fading state at the start of the novel I strongly believe that Joe created Ubik by himself and that the appearance of these two characters is mostly bleed through in his mind. This is reflected at the end when Joe's features appear on the coin - Ubik to allow Ella and Runciter to communicate and Ubik which created itself. Also at the end of the novel I get the feeling that Joe is the ultimate villain. Jory might have killed but the Ubik snippets make Ubik feel like the true villain. Ubik invades the lives of the characters in this novel through those snippets and throughout the book Joe's life and the life of all his associates is dictated almost entirely by money, at the end of the book his appearance on the coin seems to symbolise his takeover of the system - a cold premonition. Perhaps Runciter is dead but I find it a much more unlikely and boring twist.

>>9695915
I'm going to spoiler this stuff just in case anybody wants to read it.

Abos don't NEED trees to reproduce. Remember, almost the entire planet is abos who don't know they're abos now. They're reproducing without trees as far as we know. I think that the implication is that old abos eventually BECOME trees. Recall the constant references to the state of everybody's legs. Everyone on St Anne (I think that's the one) has legs that eventually go bad, and it seems to affect women more strongly. After giving birth Sandwalker and Eastwind's mother covers her legs with earth in order to regain her strength. I think that there's enough information scattered around to infer that many of the trees of St Anne and Croix are elder abos, only as the humans came and their culture (but not their genetics) became dominant, they all forgot this. Hence, everyone's legs go bad in old age because they forgot that they used to bury their legs in soil and become trees. I don't think that they needed the trees, it's just their life-cycle, changed from the normal human one by living in an alien environment.

As for why it didn't infect everyone No idea on whether the Shadow Children reproduce among themselves or if new abos are just constantly being infected. Pretty sure VRT mentions that his mother told him to avoid certain areas due to the parasites. It seems as though the abos were aware of them and took steps to avoid infection, limiting their spread. And it may well infect more 'humans' than Marsch. It's mentioned that the slaves who work with the parasite's silk tend to have short lifespans. This is most likely on account of the parasite trying to change them but their masters not allowing them to move to an environment which suits Shadow Children, which is reinforced by Marsch's fate. I believe that Marsch is soon to die at the end of the story and that the purpose behind mentioning these slaves is to tell us this. The story is all about the abos' worlds becoming hellish because they don't understand their own nature, so this fits that. Might want to bring this up to Aramini to be sure though.

>>9698108
Have you tried The Book of the New Sun.

>>9698226
I second this.

>>9698214
The book objectivley turns to shit from the moment the bomb goes off (end of the first third). A lot of great ideas which PKD could not bind together other than through dreams, hallucinations and other poorly executed gimmicks. The ending especially is the most forced and pathetic attempt of a mindfuck in the history of modern culture.

>>9697589
>uses pick to play with tumblers in lock

>>9698336
The final twist felt like a tacked on afterthought that not even the author understood but Ubik was PKD's wild ride and never failed to entertain.

>>9698346
Yea if you are looking for a light read I guess its tolerable. But i was highly dissapointed from it especially in light of how common it is praised as some sort of masterpiece of science fiction.

>>9697822
>that pic
Now that I'm older I understand why dbz was such a huge hit. It had people turning into blonde hair, blue eyed beings who were the strongest in the universe. Same shit with naruto. He is blonde and important, so 'those' people can associate with him. This general makes it even clearer that people watch/read things for self-insertment, not for entertainment value. That is why those people cry about certain books, because a character description shows that they are black / tan brown/ w/e, they not pasty white. They cry about PC. As if white is the only colour in the world. If anything Yellow and browne out numbers black and white

>raping charlies daughters in the village.
I googled this slang "Charlie's daughters in Vietnam" and got no hits. What is that about?

>>9697620
>Black Sun Rising
>the audiobookbay torrens is dead too.
>check
>42 seeds
>dead
You are a lazy ignorant cunt. Probably want someone to spoonfeed you, or take the hit for downloading from a torrent. kys

>>9698184
>memeing for years talking about dickgirls
>still doesn't believe

>>9698380
>Thinking 9yo boys like a violent cartoon with very strong men saving the Earth because said men have a resemblance with Aryans
Next you'll tell me that 11yo boys start masturbating because they want to further assert their dominance over women, right? :-)

>>9698108
>ice age
No
>mechs and super soldiers
Bv Larson's Mech series
Neal Asher Agent Comac
Undying Mercenaries

>>9698184
I am new to /sffg/ (and relatively rare to visit /lit/) and i am quite intrigued by what you wrote.
Would it be possible if you could tell me what exactly you are talking about

>>9698214
>although definitely nowhere near as many as Palmer's Too Like the Lightning.
>too like the shill anon is also reviewer anon
This physically hurts. I liked and respected reviewer anon.

>>9698184
>>9698406
>>9698426
>he doesn't know about the shapeshifting dickgirls

>>9698426
Bakker's series features literal cucking and literal dickgirls multiple times over several books.

There's also a gay rapist barbarian and /d/ aliens.

>>9698426
Read the darkness that comes before (Prince of nothing series). Although seeing as the last book is coming out in less than a week I don't know if you'll be able to meme with the best of us. You have 6 books to finish.
There is a head on a pole behind you

>>9698436
Why am I included in your post? Can't you read? I know about my trapfus. The Best Girls in existence. My Prize.

>>9698475
i wanted to include you in the festivities

>>9698214
>"I'll sue you," the door said as the first screw fell out. Joe Chip said, "I've never been sued by a door. But I guess I can live through it.”
yfw this will be true in a two or three years

>>9695933
If you like John Carter, you'll like Tarzan.

Burroughs started phoning it in big time later in his career. You should probably stop once you think things are too silly/repetitive.

>>9696489
The left one is the best. The one on the right looks like some of those shitty self published books I see in Amazon search results.

>>9696871
The first seven books are John Carter-style sword-and-planet pulps, with added sex. Enjoyable if you're into that kind of thing.

After that it's straight up BDSM smut.

>>9697613
It's great, unfortunately the sequels aren't that great.

Armor worth reading if you liked Forever War.

>>9698115
No. Read Ringworld instead once you're done with Mote.

>>9696871
SOMEONE POST THE WATER PASTA

>>9698380
Viet Cong -> VC -> Victor Charlie -> Charlie.

The VC ("Charlie") of course had support bases established in villages in the countryside. American patrols would destroy these villages, and maybe have a little fun on the side.

>>9698221
I couldn't have said it better myself. The discussions of Fifth Head (see reddit Gene Wolfe, for example) usually ignore all of the progress I made in making sense of the story, and they flounder around with small micro-theories that never really encapsulate the bigger picture. I'm glad someone actually understood what I was saying .

>>9696871
>>9698606
The spider plant cringed as its owner brought forth the watering can. "I am a spider plant!" it cried indignantly. "How dare you water me before my time! Guards!" it called. "Guards!"

Borin, its owner, placed the watering can on the table and looked at it. "You will be watered," he said.

"You do not dare to water me!" laughed the plant.

"You will be watered," said Borin.

"Do not water me!" wept the plant.

"You will be watered," said Borin.

I watched this exchange. Truly, I believed the plant would be watered. It was plant, and on Gor it had no rights. Perhaps on Earth, in its permissive society, which distorts the true roles of all beings, which forces both plant and waterer to go unh appy and constrained, which forbids the fulfillment of owner and houseplant, such might not happen. Perhaps there, it would not be watered. But it was on Gor now, and would undoubtedly feel its true place, that of houseplant. It was plant. It would be watered at will. Such is the way with plants.

Borin picked up the watering can, and muchly watered the plant. The plant cried out. "No, Master! Do not water me!" The master continued to water the plant. "Please, Master," begged the plant, "do not water me!" The master continued to water the plant. It was plant. It could be watered at will.

The plant sobbed muchly as Borin laid down the watering can. It was not pleased. Too, it was wet. But this did not matter. It was plant.

"You have been well watered," said Borin.

"Yes," said the plant, "I have been well watered." Of course, it could be watered by its master at will.

"I have watered you well," said Borin.

"Yes, master," said the plant. "You have watered your plant well. I am plant, and as such I should be watered by my master."

The cactus plant next to the spider plant shuddered. It attempted to cover its small form with its small arms and small needles. "I am plant," it said wonderingly. "I am of Earth, but for the first time, I feel myself truly plantlike. On Earth, I w as able to control my watering. I often scorned those who would water me. But they were weak, and did not see my scorn for what it was, the weak attempt of a small plant to protect itself. Not one of the weak Earth waterers would dare to water a plant if it did not wish it. But on Gor," it shuddered, "on Gor it is different. Here, those who wish to water will water their plants as they wish. But strangely, I feel myself most plantlike when I am at the mercy of a strong Gorean master, who may water m e as he pleases."

"I will now water you," said Borin, the cactus's Gorean master.

The cactus did not resist being watered. Perhaps it was realizing that such watering was its master's to control. Too, perhaps it knew that this master was far superior to those of Earth, who would not water it if it did not wish to be watered.

>>9696615
http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/04/03/the-study-of-anglophysics/

>>9698617
Absolute Sempai... t-that you? I saw you posting in outer lit a few days ago. D-did you post pushups?

>>9698620
is this actually in the books?

>>9698643
mmmmh, pizza

>>9698661
Is that a pink/violet lantern? I know the red lanterns cough up blood.

>>9698661
Replace plant with woman and water with something else

>>9697834
Holy fuck anon if you think Dark Forest was batshit just wait until Death's End.

>>9698471
Coming out July 25 according to amazon

>>9698432
I'm the Lightning shill anon you nonce, but nobody fucking replied to my thoughts on Ubik >>9668254

>>9698669
Nope, that's the Parasite. It's from the Superman - Secret Origin mini that was released in 2009, but all of that was retconned later on when they went with Nu52 anyway.

>>9698715
What does he do to them if not watering?

>>9698754
pissing or fapping?

>>9698742
I never know if this stuff is supposed to be a nod to a cliche or not. The fat man gets turned into a supervillian after... eating a radioactive donut. Okay.

>>9698432
>>9698214

There's more than one guy rating books here, and not all of us have read Ada Palmer. Is she any good? Anyway, I did look at Ubik a couple of months ago and while I enjoyed it, I thought it was flawed. There are too many needless characters, and the plotting and pacing is uneven. I wasn't surprised to hear that PKD wrote it without outlining it. He literally wrote this book while sitting at a typewriter, typing whatever occurred to him, so the book is more a product of his subconscious mind than a conventionally crafted novel. In novelistic terms, however, it didn't satisfy me. He has better books from this time: Martian Time-Slip, Dr Bloodmoney, and DADOES.

>>9698742
>2009
>walking with radioactive bio-hazard that isn't even sealed down a hallway with civis that don't have protective clothing
Probably happens for real in Murica for it to be featured here.

>>9696295
I've had Naked Lunch on my shelf for over a year now and I cannot get past the first few stories. How do you read it? What am I supposed to feel?

>>9698643
Yes, and I posted the pushups, though I did it quickly under cover of darkness with my crappy camera phone. Does the link still work?https://my.mixtape.moe/ysuwqt.webm

>>9698780
Too Like the Lightning is a decent science fiction book, but it's strength is more in its literary merit and cast-building than anything else. For bog-standard genre-fiction reads Lightning comes across as revolutionary, but if you've read any real literature it's not as golden as it seems.
Haven't said that, it's beautiful written and certainly worth checking out, but actual science-fiction takes more of a backseat to the plot.
Also it's really science fantasy.

>>9698721
>>9697880
Seriously Death's End had better win the Hugo.

>>9698871
I don't think Cixin needs another fucking Hugo. Anyway I liked Dark Forest more, the entire realistic modern UN-ey take on alien invasion really tickled my fancy
Plus I thought the end of Death's End was a little weak, but I guess it couldn't really go anywhere else

>>9698715
>>9698754
>Replace plant with woman and water with something else

The nubile tanned woman cringed as her owner brought forth an erect penis. "I am a nubile woman!" She cried indignantly. "How dare you sex me before my time! Guards!" She called. "Guards!"

Borin, her owner, placed one hand on his penis, and the other on the table and looked at her. "You will be fucked" he said.

"You do not dare to sex me!" laughed the woman, her oiled tan lines gleaming in the low light.

"You will be fucked," said Borin.

"Do not sex me!" wept the plant.

"You will be fucked," said Borin.

I watched this exchange. Truly, I believed the woman would be fucked. She was a woman, and on Gor she had no rights. Perhaps on Earth, in its permissive society, which distorts the true roles of all beings, which forces both woman and owner to go unhappy and constrained, which forbids the fulfillment of owner and woman, such might not happen. Perhaps there, it would not be fucked. But it was on Gor now, and would undoubtedly feel its true place, that of woman. It was female. It would be fucked at will. Such is the way with women.

Borin guided his penis, and muchly fucked the woman. The woman cried out. "No, Master! Do not fuck me!" The master continued to fuck the woman. "Please, Master," begged the tan nubile, "do not fuck me!" The master continued to fuck the woman. It was female. It could be fucked at will.

The supple female sobbed muchly as Borin extracted his penis. It was not pleased. Too, it was wet and sore. But this did not matter. It was female.

"You have been well fucked," said Borin.

"Yes," said the female, "I have been well fucked." Of course, it could be fucked by its master at will.

"I have fucked you well," said Borin.

"Yes, master," said the female. "You have fucked your woman well. I am female, and as such I should be fucked by my master."

The older woman next to the nubile supple tanned woman shuddered. She attempted to cover her small form with her small frail arms and small hands. "I am female," she said wonderingly. "I am of Earth, but for the first time, I feel myself truly womanlike. On Earth, I was able to control my fucking. I often scorned those who would fuck me. But they were weak, and did not see my scorn for what it was, the weak attempt of a small older woman to protect herself. Not one of the weak Earth owners would dare to fuck a female if she did not wish it. But on Gor," she shuddered, "on Gor it is different. Here, those who wish to fuck will fuck their women as they wish. But strangely, I feel myself most womanlike when I am at the mercy of a strong Gorean master, who may fuck me as he pleases."

"I will now fuck you," said Borin, the older woman's Gorean master.

The mature beauty did not resist being fucked. Perhaps she was realizing that such fucking was its master's to control. Too, perhaps she knew that this master was far superior to those of Earth, who would not fuck her if she did not wish to be fucked.

>>9698889
>open thread
>read this
Wtf?

>>9698889
H O T
O
T

>>9698763
It's a comic book. of course it's a cliche, come on man.

>>9698792
You'll never know if you haven't worked at a corporation similar to Lexcorp.

>>9698889
it's funny because you didn't change all occasions of "plant" for "woman"

>>9698882
>the entire realistic modern UN-ey take on alien invasion really tickled my fancy
I dunno, launching all the world's nuclear ICBMs into space to power a nuclear pulse propulsion device to 0.01c was pretty UN-ey

>Plus I thought the end of Death's End was a little weak, but I guess it couldn't really go anywhere else
From a strictly plot perspective it was kind of weak, but from a thematic perspective it worked perfectly. Throughout the whole book we have it hammered into our heads over and over again that Cheng Xin's compassion is a weakness, that her moral outlook has repeatedly led directly to outcomes directly detrimental to the human race's survival, and that the hardened ruthlessness of Thomas Wade or Luo Ji is the best way forward when dealing with the equally ruthless Trisolarans and the rest of civilization in the universe, whose collective ruthlessness has created the dark forest.
But what the ending does is zoom out and put that into perspective. We see that although this behavior is needed to give your civilization a chance of survival, the that everyone is treating the universe as this giant zero sum game is what is causing the whole universe to collapse and die. At the very end of it all it turns out that the only hope the universe has left for any kind of survival is if enough people, without any way to communicate with each other, can find in themselves the kind of selflessness and compassion that Cheng Xin has shown throughout the story. Though Wade and Luo Ji's way can allow short term gain, in the long run for the collective it is Cheng Xin who is correct.

>>9698957
That's actually a pretty good point, which I didn't really consider before, thanks. It's redeemed the ending a little in my eyes.

If I hear the phrase "literary merit" unironically in a goodreads review ONE MORE TIME I'm gonna freak out.

>>9698742
>gold digger
>male
Why do I feel that this was a PC move? Like female thor, Muslim Queen Arthur, etc?

Comics taught us to be sexist when we were kids by drawing over sexualized characters, now they are doing behavioural corrections? Is that it? I mean if they have females that are wearing armor be actually covered up that would be a step in the right direction. Can have someone in a bra and panties and say it's armor. One round to the stomach or neck.

>>9698920
Yea I missed one. But I'm more concerned with the "it"s I missed. Supposed to be she or her.

>>9699128
>>gold digger
>>male
>Why do I feel that this was a PC move? Like female thor, Muslim Queen Arthur, etc?
holy shit dude you are so, so delusional
tell me you're trolling

>>9698889
>"Do not sex me!" wept the plant.

>>9698471
>>9698469
Thanks, such a series is exactly what i need right now (Just finished the Original Sherlock Holmes).
Though it is quite a pity that i won't be able to finish it before the last book is released.

>>9696294
Blindsight is the most important work of fiction of the 21st century and modern Sci-Fi can be judged by whether it was written by Peter Watts. If it wasn't, it is garbage.
I would never spill my seed into a female who doesn't understand that.

Well, here is Sailing To Byzantium by Robert Silverberg, the Nebula winner for best novella in 1986. Its setting is Earth during the 50thC century, a world of abundance and creativity, composed of a revolving selection of five cities recreated from famous epochs of mythology and history: Alexandria, Timbuctoo, Mohenjo-daro, Asgard, Changan, etc. The novel's protagonist is a man from the twentieth century who tours these cities along with an exotic woman companion. The narrative depicts the fracturing of their relationship, and the discovery of their own nature. This is a picturesque novel of particular interest to history fans which talks about the nature of existence and mortality. This is a highly rated story, and aesthetically I can see it's well written, with pleasingly flowing and visual prose. However, there is little narrative thrust and I felt little interest in fate of its characters. So this one gets 3/5 from me, something I put down to a matter of personal taste. I've enjoyed other of his works much more.

>>9699058
This post has some arguable literary merit

>>9699559
Are you replying to yourself?

>>9699838
Are you?

>>9699843
>Are you?
Depends on whether you're me, Blindsight guy.

>>9699717
DISLIKING THE CHARACTERS IS NOT VALID CRITICISM

>>9699058
>Goodreads review of classic science fiction
>Reviewer goes on about how misogynistic it is

>>9699853
You, Blindsight guy, or I, Blindsight guy?

Your expression is ambiguous.

>>9699881
That was a vocative, buddy, not an appositive, the renaming of a noun.

>>9699900
well meme'd
very dry

>>9699858
I'm talking about indifference and disinterest rather than dislike. Dislikeable characters and antiheroes can be very interesting: Ben Reich, Cugel, Jaime Lannister.However, I appreciate some works aren't designed to have dramatic clashes of personality, sparkling dialogues, or engrossing character development. Sailing To Byzantium is clearly all about the prose and the setting.

Jack Vance is one of the few writers I have encountered who can do it all; plot, character, and setting.

>>9695948

China Mieville

why's everything gotta be a trilogy these days? also I'd rather read about Apollo; I doubt he'd taint everything with the stupid gender garbage

>>9695961
>GRRM
I don't know what I was expecting from a Ursula/Jemisin fan. Got any more hot takes for us, nigro?

>>9699927
Pinko authors get out

>>9699935
>why's everything gotta be a trilogy these days?
Because three books sells better than one book. Blame Tolkien's publishers for that one.

>>9699949
Don't bully the leftists, faggot. They're some of the few people with interesting opinions. I'm tired of having to go to cripplechan to argue with them since they were pushed out. I wish they'd come back.

Anybody else into YA Fantasy, or am I too trash tier to be here

>>9700089
>YA Fantasy
Be more specific. What book/series are you talking about?

>>9700089
A soupcon of sophistication is desirable in these august surroundings, but we can momentarily indulge your interest in adolescent literature, with a wry grin and knowing look in our eyes, before returning to the haven of our leather-backed armchairs and superior Gene Wolfe novels.

>>9700114
Artemis Fowl, Harry Potter, twilight, that kind of stuff.

>>9700138
Couldn't put in the effort to find a c with a cedilla to copy paste?

>>9700165
If I was perfect I'd be a God.

>>9700156
>twilight
You unironically think those books are good?

So I'm reading the Magicians, it's not terrible, but I find it at least entertaining, but holy shit why are there such large power spikes?
In the first book some people did things like using magic to put their body on autopilot and run across the Arctic for days, or just fly almost to the fucking moon on your own magical power, but now in the second they ship around on a fucking boat, and having to steal fucking cars, or have other people make portals for them to move around. Why is this shit so inconsistent?

>>9698721
>>9697880
>>9698871
my body is not ready

>>9699843
Show Penis. Cause you sure as hell don't have a vagina.

What the fuck did I just read?

>>9698732
Stop pretending to be me

>>9698432
There's more than one person reviewing books.

>>9700763
>that cover
as someone that thinks the games are written better than the books I am still disgusted.

>>9698471
I'M COMING MY LOVE

>>9700802
kys

>>9701014
kys x 2

>>9700920
That is someone who ought not be here.

>>9701060
why? Are you mad because tw3 has more LITERARY MERIT than anything Sapkowski will or has ever written?

>>9701099

>>9701119
that's nice of you to say.

>>9695873
Just getting into Malazan, it's pretty good.
What do you guys think about it?

>>9695873
Does anyone here into the Horseclans books? I like the post-apocalypse stuff.

is stephen king's dark tower series considered fantasy? if so, is it any good? I know the first book is kinda meh (reading it right now, dont spoil anything pls)

>>9701150
ffs i completely forgot about this series, that cunt of a character in the second book (you know who) ruined it for me

>>9701119
Those litter hands I want to hold them!!!

>>9701213
creep

>>9699559
Fuck dude let's be gay together
(Yes homo)
(Other than maybe Accelerado BS is the best 2000+ scifi so we're winning)

>>9699935
I LOVE the covers of Palmers work. God I wIsh there was more fan art ze paints a fine and godly rich work full of wonder + fuck the anti shills I'm the autistic who shilllled this book and it's dope fuck y'all

>>9701259
>I'm the autistic who shilllled this book and it's dope fuck y'all
man fuck you

>>9701259
The covers are great because the artist painted it rather than having an autist pose in a black cloak.

>>9698617
A lot of it is exactly what you said. I'm the guy who recently messaged you on Goodreads for clarification on the nature of abo society. Without your work I don't think I'd ever have put it all together half as well as I have now.

>>9698722
Yea, looks like Overlook publishing pulled their Jewish tricks again, just like they did for The Great Ordeal, and delayed the release a week before it was supposed to come out. Which means it's going to be a mess and different places will release it at different dates.

Fuck Jew publishers.

>>9700114
>>9700156
Things like Harry Potter and Artemis Fowl. Or all the stuff like Sarah J. Maas later books. Fairies and shit

Are there any fantasy universes that can sustain my new appetite? After reading/playing the last four Elder Scrolls games along with their two novelizations as well as all the in-game books, I have a hollow feeling whenever I try and "get into" a new fantasy world, because the level of detail and history and world building to me seems inadequate in comparison. Am I just a spoiled brat, or does /sffg/ know the perfect series for me?

Fresh Meme Guys. Get it while it's hot

Can someone help me identifying a book about some metal vaults that are going to be open?

I think one of the characters is a priest and the setting is post apocalyptic.

>>9701941
Gene Wolfe's Solar Cycle. A general rule for reading those is 'if you think you get it, you don't'.

>>9702129
That pussy looks like it needs a stuffing.

>>9695873
I have just finished reading the first book of the trilogy "first law" it wasn't exceptional but a pretty solid mix of Dark fantasy with a lot of action and black humor, it felt like a lighter version of Chronicles of "Ice and Fire".
Should I read the 2 remaining books? Do they get better?

>>9702129
A Canticle for Leibowitz?

Any good science fiction that mixes cosmic horror? Kinda like dead space

>>9702129
Star's Reach?

What to read? Ones with the red x's are out already.

>>9702232
Roadside Picnic

>>9702232
Most enjoyed
Roadside Picnic
Too Like the Lightning

Enjoyed
Lions

Was not a fan of Luceno, Gaiman and Mieville's writing.

>>9702258
I have heard bad things about Mieville but she is highly recommended all over the board, even in this thread. I figured I would start with Kraken and see if I liked it before moving deeper into it. I don't mind Luceno and have read him before, and Gaiman, like Mieville is highly recommended all over the place so I figured I would try. I am probably going with Roadside Picnic though since two of you have recommended it and I really fucking love STALKER

>>9702193
All of them?

>>9702232
I find it hard to believe that anybody capable of enjoying Pinecone could sincerely feel the desire to read Star Wars EU novels, better save him for last.

>>9702129
Borderlands?

>>9702263
Mieville is good. He is disliked by some anons on here because he used to be a left wing activist.

Holy shit.
https://vimeo.com/223710989

>>9701941
This post here >>9702144

Also, read Tolkien if you haven't. You'll see how generic The Elder Scrolls lore is.

>>9702393
And what did they mean by this?
blindsight.space

>>9702193
maybe "Ship Of Fools" by Richard Russo. I didn't read it but it should have those kind of themes.

>>9698643
Can someone explain this pic to me why are 3 of my favourite books being weighed against some dinosaur heads?

Bakkerfags might want to dl Evil is a Matter of Perspective.

>>9702193
Hull zero three is the dead space of literature.

>>9702193
Aren't there literal dead space books?

>>9702544
I read "Martyr" and it was ok.

>this seven surrenders chapter devoted to gender

Is Robin Hobb good or just young adult fantasy crap?

How is the Expanse series?

>>9702670
belter chapters are like daenerys chapters

Finished Red Country, looking for a new Audio book. I'll listen to whatever.

>>9702689
Black Jewels Trilogy

>>9702689
Is that from Joe Abercrombie? I was thinking about trying "First Law trilogy" is it good?

Anyway if you like science fiction I suggest you Crescent by Phil Rossi. The audiobook version is free

Insult me as much as you want but I am a Dark Souls fan. Is there any fantasy author that has a similar type of atmosphere? Very grim, bleak, melancholic and hopeless?

>>9702687
shit?

>>9702710

>>9702587
>Is Robin Hobb good
Yes I think so. She has written multiple trilogies in the same world/universe called Realms of the Elderlings. Some are definitely better than others but IMO once you get invested they have an undeniable charm to them.
https://www.goodreads.com/series/54099-realms-of-the-elderlings
http://www.bookseriesinorder.com/the-realm-of-the-elderlings/

>>9702577
Hopefully it only consisted of a few words reaffirming the fact there's only two genders.

>>9695920
I read it a few years back. Interesting premise and the set up is really cool, especially the chapter on the archeologist character. After the event, it loses a lot of steam though.

>>9702858

>>9702765
the first three? books are are p good, my dislike for belters come from the last few books

>>9702475
It's a pizza party

>>9698643
Because 5 T-Rex heads would almost certainly outweigh Canticle, Dying Earth, and even the entire solar cycle.

>>9702587
i have thought it was spelled HOOD, not hobb. literally all my life. what the fuck?

>>9702874
>identities
literally mental illnesses why are they in the definition?

>>9702710
dark souls reminded me of book of the new sun, the sense that you are in a truly ancient world whose glory days are long past.

>>9698803
I stopped forcing myself to read it when i got to the part where little boys shot through the air propelled by farting pure ambrosia. I will most likely never attempt to read it again.

>>9698803
it's a meme book made to be unreadable. I don't even know why is it considered a masterpiece.

>>9703117
The time it was written and it was censored. It became a free speech thing for the beatniks and counter culture people to fight "the man" over.

I know you are going to insult me, but i watched sandersos`s BYU lectures on youtube and what he said kinda made sense to me.
But i actually have never read anything from him so i dont know if hes full of shit or not.

So what is the best series/book from sanderson?

>>9702905
Was this true? Did this happen? That prof knows his meh-mees

>>9703315
Read the emperor's soul.
It's short and sweet. You can get a feel from his novels from that. Then maybe Warbreaker or stormlight archive.

>>9702702
I thought the first three were fine but the standalones red country and more importantly the heroes were better.

>>9702373
DUDE PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT TASTES LMAO KEKEKEKE XDDDD

how fucking shitty is this place gonna be when the new aspect emperor book drops

>>9703650
I can't imagine it'll be too bad. Most people who read it will leave the thread for fear of spoilers, till they finish it.

>>9701941
>because the level of detail and history and world building to me seems inadequate in compariso
Read Malazan. It takes like 4 books before you even begin to approach understanding the setting.

>>9702402
>You'll see how generic The Elder Scrolls lore is
It's not generic at all. Yeah you can see where they borrowed heavily from the Silmarillion, but that's just the foundation of it. What they've built on that foundation is sprawling and unique.

>>9702402
>You'll see how generic The Elder Scrolls lore is.
The Elder Scrolls lore is anything but generic. Sure, on surface it's just another high-fantasy Tolkien derivative, but once you dive into Dragon Breaks and CHIM it gets pretty unique. This integration of gameplay and lore into a cohesive ludonarrative is the reason why Morrowind is one of the titles that could be treated as examples of games as art.

Though that doesn't change the fact that all Bethesda RPGs since Oblivion are pure shit.

>>9702129
Sounds like Hyperion to me. Though it's not post-apocalyptic.

>>9702129
Foundation?

>>9703803
People only read Bakker to shitpost so no one cares about spoilers

>>9702402
nigga wat. It's much closer to indian mythology than tolkien. Skyrim is not representative of TES lore.

Someone post the cuck passage from Name of the Wind.

I need a good laugh

What do you guys think of the Wheel of Time series? I just started reading it and I think it's pretty great.

>>9704222
Its solid but has insufferable female characters who drag the series down

>>9704222
I like it a lot. The middle of the series was a chore to get through though, but overall I enjoyed the series. The great moments with Rand make up for all those fucking Elayne and Egwene chapters.

>>9704222
couldnt finish the first one, but i see the appeal

>>9704222
Enjoyable, but can get pretty tedious, especially in the later books. Definitely worth reading if you're into epic fantasy.

Be prepared to roll your eyes a lot at how the male and female characters perceive one another. The differences between the genders play a major role in the story, and does lead to some humorous moments, but Jordan harps on it so much that it will be hard not to get sick of it.

>>9704260
Mat and Rand should have the two most prominent POVs.

>>9701099
hes right you kno

>>9704341
Perrins great so long as his turbocunt wife isn't ruining things.

>>9704361
Perrin has always been rather boring and his turbocunt wife has been there since the third book

>>9704361
Most of Rand's POVs come from the first and second book where he accounted for 90% of. After that he barely got any chapters

>>9702874
There are only two genders. Everything else is a mental illness or a cry for attention.

>>9704198
>tfw i single-handedly started the rothfuss hate

why havent i been credited my meme points yet?

>>9704361
>Egwene, Elayne, Min, Faile, Siuan, and Aviendha
Ugh just thinking about them disgusts me. Nynaaeve was garbage too but she surprisingly improved by the 8th or 9th book. I'm pretty sure that was around the time she fucked Lan too

Fantasy is for plebs. And I include the entire Western Canon in that category.

>>9696871
>transman of gor

>>9704393
>elayne is just a turbocunt to mat all the time
>everyone is just a cunt to mat all the time

>>9704384
>40% of Rand's chapters came from the first two books
His POVs really were spread thin

>>9704393
>Nynaaeve was garbage too but she surprisingly improved by the 8th or 9th book
Nynaeve is adorable after you see what her real personality is like in the latter part of the series with Lan. It makes you realize how much of her prickly attitude was a front she puts on to seem tough. Re-reading the series after getting to the last few books made me love her early parts in the story where previously I had greatly disliked her.

>>9704408
>That time Mat called Rand Lewis Therin just to see if he would respond
The only person who is justified being a cunt to Mat is Rand considering Mat is a cunt towards him. Everyone else has no business being rude to him

>>9704426
yeah I said that she improved by the time she managed to fuck Lan

>tfw you've already read so many of the sci-fi classics that you end up reading pic related just for kicks

I don't know how I got through the whole thing. Hubbard was as awful a writer as he was a person.

I almost don't regret reading it because it has given me more respect for science fiction writers that have actual talent. Almost.

>>9704434
What I'm saying though is, she's actually good the whole way through. You just don't realize it because you put your back up at her and don't understand her personality. She's one of my favorite characters now, easily top 5. Maybe top 3.

>>9704384
That must be why I really liked the first two books. The Dragon Reborn was just Perrin being an angsty shit and the beginning of the series turning into Aes Sedai bullshit.

>>9704430
Matt is awfully rude and kind of a shit in the first few books, so when you think of it like that it makes sense the ones who knew him as a rapscallion from Eamond's Field would still think of him that way even after he changed and became more noble, but there was really no excuse for how cunty Elayne was toward him.

Nynaeve busting his balls all the time is sort of her deal, that's like her job, but Elayne was just fucking rude.

>>9704430
>They go back to being friendly dicks to each other in the final book
It made me really wish we had more scenes of them together being bros rather than Rand batshit insane constantly

>>9704442
No she was garbage. She was a bitch to the boys and Moraine. I reread the series once and again she only improved later on. Whatever we all have our favorites

>>9704447
Aes Sedai horseshit is part of what made the middle of the series so hard to get through. What kept me going was the Asha'man wrecking their shit.

>>9704455
Honestly I think dealing with the Aes Sedai was what really made Rand batshit

>>9704456
She's insecure and was super intimidated by Moiraine and desperate to prove her worth. Honestly it just sounds like you never bothered to think about things from her point of view.

>>9704461
That's odd considering I read chapters from her point of view. Like I said we all have our favorites so whatever

>>9704460
He had seeds of mistrust planted in him early on by Ishamael and fanned by various other people. He couldn't get away from Aes Sedai but had a deep-seated mistrust of them from the very beginning. Basically a recipe for paranoia and madness even without the whole split personality thing.

>>9704455
>Sanderson WoT
Never again. I liked the part you described well enough but I never want to read anything related to Androl ever again

>>9704463
Reading and comprehending are not the same thing. Like, how could you understand Nynaeve's personality and then call her a bitch for acting how she does in the early part of the story? There's absolutely no ill-will or malice in what she does.

>>9704466
Considering they tried to gentle him, place a mind control collar on him, and forcefully bonded him I don't blame him for not trusting them

>>9704472
>There's absolutely no ill-will or malice in what she does.
So what she was still the biggest cunt in the series back then

>>9704475
In large part that only happened again due to Ishamael and other Forsaken. They engineered the coup that put Elaida in charge and actively encouraged her disastrous policies regarding the Dragon Reborn specifically because they knew it'd drive him further away and worsen his madness.

>>9704484
No, that's Egwene. Funnily enough, reading the early part of the series again made me realize what a huge fucking cunt Egwene is at the start. I had thought her cuntification was gradual and she only became a total cunt after being made Amerlyn but really even early on she's a massive twat.

>Rand stopped being the dominant POV after the beginning portion of the series
You'd think Randland would be about Rand but no it's about the Aes Sedai going on a quest for a bowl that ending up not mattering and also made things worse

>>9704492
Oh yeah I forgot about her. She made the Aiel portion of the series almost unbearable but Rand treating her and Moraine like children made up for it.

>Lewis Therin was just apart of the madness
Lame

>>9704447
The second book was great. Rand slowly growing into a lord was GOAT

>>9704493
>The bowl sidequest
The worst part of the series and the hardest to get through. Even Mat couldn't save it

>>9704492
Faile is actually the worst female in WoT.

>>9704509
>Rand slowly growing into a lord was GOAT
Yeah that was great. I especially liked the part in Cairhien with the invitations and everybody assuming his showing no interest in intrigue means he must be too important to consort with lesser nobles and then he eventually gets invited to a gala hosted by the king.

>>9704532
Faile is terribly written but Egwene is consistently worse as a person than her and had far more chapters devoted to her antics.

Was Jordan telling us how cunty women could be or was there another reason for every female character to be cunts? Even the ones that are supposedly likable are only liked because they're not as bitchy as the rest.

>>9704385
I should force people to write down their phenotype and karyotype just to filter out plebs like you.

What are the best long audiobooks?

>>9704545
No it was him psychically communicating how irredeemably retarded he was at writing.

>>9704544
>Egwene was angry at Rand for merely being attractive enough that women show him interest while she flirted and danced with other guys
>After Rand saved everyone's lives she abandoned him with everyone else leaving Thom and Lan being the only ones to help him without ulterior motives
>She was mad at Rand for trapping her and Elayne with his powers after she mocked and belittled him and was revealed to just be jealous of his power. Yes she thought she was special enough to be as strong as or stronger than the Dragon Reborn
>Egwene lied to the Aiel Wise ones to learn dreamwalking or whatever it was called
>In her POVs it was shown that she didn't respect the wise ones at all and constantly thought about using her power on them
>Egwene thought she was justified in poking into Rand's dreams
>Egwene yelled at Nynaeve for poking around in the dream world since it was drangerous for beginners but she was doing the same thing as Nynaeve
>Egwene conveniently remembered Rand was a shepherd when it suited her even though she was the one who told Rand he wasn't a shepherd anymore and had to shape up to be the Dragon Reborn
This is all stuff from the beginning portion of WoT. I'm going to stop now

If you want to know if a guy is whipped you just have to ask him if he likes female WoT characters

>>9704613
>yfw someone says their favorite female character is Faile

>>9704585
She's just so stuck up for basically no reason. She read a few books about adventures and thinks she's better than everyone in her village and constantly talked down to Rand throughout the entire series like she wasn't from the same bumfuck nowhere village. Forces herself onto the boy's group too, even though it jeopardized their entire plan, all just because she wanted to "go on an adventure". Arrogant twat.

>>9704613
or if the guy reads in the first place. reading is an incredibly effeminate hobby.

>>9704654
>he wasn't on /fitlit/
brain's like a muscle, you gotta train your mind for maximum gains brah

>>9704668
please leave with your obnoxious macho attitude

>>9704654
>reading is an incredibly effeminate hobby.

incredible

ADJECTIVE
1. impossible to believe
2 difficult to believe; extraordinary

If you read more you would iron out those malapropisms, old bean.

>>9704689
Yeah, it's an extraordinarily effeminate hobby, what is the problem here?

>>9704698
You might call it an effeminate pastime (a matter for debate) but there is nothing unusual or extraordinary about it.

>>9704702
So you were just set off by some anon's unnecessary word usage?

>>9704702
It's extraordinary in the sense that among feminine hobbies this one is especially so.

>>9704654
Women read trashy YA novels though. Besides this board has a male majority and it is the literature board

>>9704711
>>9704708

I'm still not convinced that reading is incredibly feminine. It's incredibly feminine to wear a pink dress, to wear a bow, to embody a quality to an extreme degree. Reading is commonplace, everyday, done by a large amount of men and women. I think you meant to say that reading is a 'very' effeminate hobby.

>>9704737
Nonsense. Men don't read. at least not in public, maybe in the privacy of their own home.

>>9704724
How do you know? Besides, like, let's be real for a moment, women are the majority readers in pretty much any genre except for sci fi. Sure, they read more YA trash, but they also read more joyce

>>9704749
I see more men reading in public than women

>>9704724
>Besides this board has a male majority
Are you new to 4chan? Because not only is this board slow as a fuck people on here barely behave like they are part of 4chan.

>>9704749
Except they obviously do.

>>9704773
I have never seen a man reading in public and all the people I know would rather watch Game of Thrones or play vidya.

>>9704786
this guy is clearly a sex pervert.

And nowadays you can download like 5 million books to put on a phone with you so you don't have to carry around 1 million kg of tomes.

>>9704529
Lets be fair here anon, Faile's never ending kidnapped and stockholm syndrome was the absolute worst part of the series.

It took like 5 books and LITERALLY had zero point. The only thing that mattered from that whole event was Perrin meeting that Seanchan chick which was also kind of unimportant.

>>9698391
has none that book isnt downloading while others are
reports can be bad anon. No reason to act like a jew.

>>9704749
what the fuck

>>9704790
>all the people I know would rather watch Game of Thrones or play vidya.

HMM REALLY MAKES ONE THINK

>>9699914
>and setting.
lets not go crazy anon

>>9704856
Perrin was always one of the worst POVs

>>9704785
>people on here barely behave like they are part of 4chan.
HAHAHAHAHA

>>9704785
>he doesn't know /lit/ is a reddit colony like /co/ and /tv/

>>9704969
Defense of Two Rivers was great, honestly one of the highpoints of the whole series.

Gaul should have had more focus now that I think about it.

>>9704992
Yeah but everything else from Perrin was garbage

Just finished reading this
Kellhus killed my enjoyment of the book
Bigger Gary Stu than Kwothe and every character POV somehow reaches around to suck his dick
Does book 3 get better or is it just another 1000 pages of Kellhus masturbation with the occasional rape demons?

>>9705020
>Reading Bakker
It's been said many times that he's just a meme like Sanderson so why the fuck would you bother reading Bakker

>>9705020
TGO is probably one of the best books he's put out

>>9705029
According to sffg every author is a meme.

>>9705093
Maybe but Bakker actually shills here

>>9704492
>No, that's Egwene. Funnily enough, reading the early part of the series again made me realize what a huge fucking cunt Egwene is at the start.

Holy fuck this. She's a turbo cunt from the beginning.
In hindsight, Nyneave is almost always great, except during SR and FoH where her and Elayne are constantly bitching at each other

>pregnancy anon is back
>she is defending bitches in Wheel of Shit just cause they female
>oh her "feelings made her do it"
>you don't understand her
>anons are not having any of it


>>9704548
STFU you literal faggot. You probably a guy and want us to call you female. Go back to >>>/lgbt/ so we can filter faggots like you, or kys.

>>9705159
The constant paranoia is unhealthy anon-kun

>>9705155
>Nyneave is almost always great
Yeah no just because she's slightly better than the other females doesn't mean she's good

>>9705020
>Kellhus killed my enjoyment of the book
>Gary Stu

Keep reading. He's the villain and also utterly insane.

>>9705496
>there is a penis in your butt behind you

>>9705020
>>9705496
Okay, fuck it, I'm going to elaborate because I had the same problem with Bakker's series that you did. Couldn't stand Kellhus because of much everyone sucked him off 24/7, but I powered through until book three where it becomes apparent what the author had in mind. Now, it's one of my favorite series, and I meme with the rest of /sffg/. So let me try to convince you.

One of the premises of the series is "Hey, what if we took the cliche superhuman Gary Stu (like Kvothe), who fucks over everyone and is great at everything and gets what he wants and makes everyone love him and is so fucking cool and awesome, and played it completely straight? How the fuck would that work?"

So you get Kellhus. A fucking superhuman Bene Gesserit ubermensch and the first character the book focuses on. We know fuck all about him. He does some weird shit in the beginning, but we don't really have much of a feel for him yet until he does his first bad thing: he abandons the trapper that saved his life to be literally raped to death by not-orcs. Most readers forget about this, but it's the first clue that something isn't exactly human about this guy. He's not the hero. He's the main character, but he is by no means the hero.

>I hate Kellhus! Why does everyone love him so much?! He's such a dick!

You're not alone. The protagonist of the series is arguably Achamian, a tubby beta with very human flaws. He meets Kellhus, falls in love with him, thinks he's super cool, then gradually learns the horrifying truth, as will many other characters in the series.

Anyway, you can stop if you want. I'm just saying that I had the exact problem you did, but I'm glad I picked it back up. Book two can be a slog because it's more like a bridge between the interesting setup of book one and the payoff of book three. But the payoff in book three is nothing compared to the utter insanity of books four to six. Just grimdark balls-to-the-wall crazy shit happening every chapter, leaving you exhausted and spent like the aftermath of a brutal assrape, and the Unholy Consult looks like it's going to be the moneyshot.

>>9705543
>ywn be filled with Kellhus's hot, sticky wisdom

>>9705020
I feel like you're missing the point

>>9704785
Probably because this board has been infested with redditors for years.

>>9705155
That's Elayne dragging Nynaeve down with her bitchiness. Elayne brings out the worst in most characters around her.

>>9705364
She is though. Her insecurity and bluster make her cute as fuck. She's the closest thing to a tsundere I've seen in western media.

>>9705159
>pregnancy anon
Nice projection Kevin.

>>9705624
This. They make this general shit with their gender politics. They usually out themselves.

>>9705680
That's wasn't me, Vince. You really have to stop embarrassing yourself Canada-kun.

>>9705554
Do people really not get this? I only read the introduction part a week or so ago and found all of this blindingly obvious. Kellmeme is a hero, but in the classical sense, that is, a complete monster who's only virtue is power granted to him arbitrarily by some higher power. Knowing that the whole story develops along these lines almost makes me want to keep reading. The length is a bit off-putting though.

The Trapper sequence couldn't really have made it more obvious that he's not meant to strike the reader as good or relatable. He's so sharp that his perception of the world is inhuman and his systematic method of interacting with others would be considered straight sociopathy if he weren't so far beyond regular classification.

>>9704557
Anything Stephen King

>>9705680
show us that tummy+feet

>>9705982
Of course Canada.

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