/lit/ - Literature

The Satanic Bible

Sort yourself out.

Fucking christ everyone asks this question.
Do you just want me to get the syllabus for one of his classes?

just read the stuff he recommends anon

https://jordanbpeterson.com/2016/11/book-list/

Just listen to his maps of meaning lecture its uploaded fully on youtube. Btw I think hes a smart guy and his psychology stuff is top notch but he is very intellectually dishonest in regards to fe. marxism and while his anti SJW rhetoric makes some valid points its a tired issue and he is completely over dramatic in his approach to it.

>>9576233
Jordan Peterson isn't a philosopher, he's a behavioral psychologist and Jung is his biggest inspiration. Quit trying to pretend he's a pseud when he's a pretty practical guy who treats actual patients in addition to teaching.

>>9576292
This.
I actively avoid all his stuff related to SJWs and the left, it's such a dull argument now.
Seriously who fucking cares about what some one said on tumblr? Go back to your lives

>>9576373
>>9576292
I don't care what pronoun you are, you/he/she/it/other are a faggot.

I'm beginning to think someone's trying to make us fall in love with Peterson like we fell in love with Katie and the rest of them. I'm thinking Peterson's gay for us, and if you're still here OP, read Rimbaud. It explains us. You should also read the Russians. There's going to be a theme to our relationship. You'll be into it: it involves redemption.

Start with the Greeks if you want to understand the philosophers he quotes.

Obviously you have to tackle the bible at some point.

He's not a modern academic philosopher, he's a psychologist that plays at philosophy.

>>9576329
If you don't think he's a pseud listen to him speak about economics,

>>9576233
>the guy hooks me in and i end up completely lost

that's cause when he's not talking about psychology he's talking about spooky nonsense

>>9576416
>t. atheist too stupid to realise his ignorance and unwilling to listen to different ideas.

>>9576373
>Seriously who fucking cares about what some one said on tumblr?

People care when those same people on tumblr are now writing the laws that apply to all of us.

>>9576511
But they aren't. Actual politicians are.

>>9576233
A good understanding of Jung is in order; I suggest Man and His Symbols, for the quickest introduction to Jung. Pick up a decent book that covers the basics of world religions, this is under the assumption that you don't already know about world religions. Have at least a fundamental understanding of philosophy; you should be able to name many philosophers, and explain what they thought. But you only need a rudimentary understanding of philosophy, it's just important to get references, so you aren't completely lost.

>>9576287
You think he realizes Orwell was a staunch socialist?

>>9576518
Not precisely true in Canada, human rights tribunals give guidance on how the law should be interpreted in Canada and they like to cite critical race theory when giving their recommendations.

>>9576507
>imply that i listened to his ideas since i evaluated them
>"unwilling to listen to different ideas"

typical peterson poster

>>9576507

>>t. atheist too stupid to realise his ignorance and unwilling to listen to different ideas.

Christians are just as frustrating with this. You get the least bit esoteric with discussion on scripture and they freak out on you and bail.

>>9576571
iceposters gtfo

>>9576579

>iceposters

What?

>>9576523
Yeah he even says that it was reasonable to have such an opinion back then because of how shitty work life was for people back then

>>9576395
Lol look I dont agree with or like SJWs and the whole sexuality is a spectrum meme but it really isnt a pressing issue and most of the anti-SJW circlejerk is just as bad.

>>9576588
did you even look at that image?

>>9576414
This

I like Peterson but here my main criticisms:

Thinks you MUST have children to live a fulfilling life. Apparently if a 19 year old says they don't want kids they're just too young to know what they want, yet a 19 year old who wants kids is mature enough to make the decision?

Thinks IQ is the biggest indicator of success in all aspects of life (other than physical pursuits). Yes there is strong correlation but he puts too much emphasis on it.

Believes SSRIs are useful to treat depression.

When asked how why he believes in religion he will go on and on about "stories" and how they have a moral and are metaphors but can't answer directly why we should believe they actually happened.

>>9576233
only got popular cause kids on the internet just love btfoing sjews

>>9577372
He's not saying you should believe literal readings of religious texts as historical events, he's saying religious ideas and practices serve an important role in establishing meaning.

>>9577384
So does most literature. There's meaning in Tolstoy's works, you can't turn it into a religion and claim God exists.

>>9577384
>>9577394
Sam Harris asks about this about one hour into their second podcast. As far as I can remember he didnt really have a good answer to this question.

why do we keep having threads about this light-weight faggot?

is he shilling /lit/?

>>9577372

His basic problem is he thinks what's valuable to him is some sort of deep universal truth that applies for everyone.

He enjoys life having kids so kids must be a requisite for everyone to enjoy life.
He likes religion so he has to engage in some round-about justification why it's important for everyone even if they don't believe in it.
He doesn't like gender bending or postmodernism or the naive Marxists he meets on campus so they must be a grand dangerous threat to the foundations of society.

He has trouble thinking outside of his little frame of reference.

>>9577446
I think it's the /neo/pol crowd. The perception is that we're the /leftie/ board and need to be red-pilled by constant JPete and Final Solution threads. Which is even more odd because this is the most Jewish board (at least going by 2012/2013 NYC/London meetups) on the site probably.

>>9577446
I don't understand the hate of JP on /lit/. Yeah he's a meme e-celeb but he isn't a pseud /pol/ meme. He's a professor that is very knowledgable in psychology, philosophy and theology. At least he's interesting enough to get decent discussions going on these topics.

>>9577372
I just finished reading Demons by Dosteovsky (not because Peterson recommends it) and he is literally what Shatov is in the book. At least some parts reminded me of the type of views he has.

>>9577837

>>9577837
Thumbnail looks like you highlighted something but it's actually just your phone shadow whoa

>>9577372
>Unironically wishing to end the billion year chain of reproduction that allowed you to exist because you're a faggot.

Children are the only way you can in some sense be immortal.

Might as well kill yourself if you actively choose to not continue your genes.

>>9578293
I used to be this insincere and idiotic until my brother and his wife died in a car accident leaving behind a seven-week old kid behind.

We've evolved past the more anima "continue ur genes" hedonism and learned to understand kinship networks. My life will not be unfulfilled because I choose to take care of the kid I have and not pop out another one for something so selfish as posterity.

>>9578293
>Children are the only way you can in some sense be immortal.
Everyone forgot about Newton because he didn't have kids?

>>9578446
If Newton didn't have kids then WHY did he have a cradle? riddle me this fuccboi

>>9578293
>children are the only way you can have eternal life
Enjoy Hell, pussy

>>9578293
That pic hits home to hard. I am everyone and noone.

>>9576414
example?

Has he ever mentioned jungian synchronicities? I'm curious what would be his comment on it.

>>9578503
I think he did when he was talking about pepe and kek.
It could be in his november(?) update video where he dons the frog hat from his indian friend where he mentions it, or one of his talks with people about kek/pepe metaphysics.

>>9578475
That pic is drawn by Winston Rowntree, he has a lot of enjoyable comics and graphic novels online that you may be interested in if that picture resonated with you.

peterson is babby's first edgy mediocre intellectual

>>9577837
Wow that is a crisp photograph. Phone?

>>9576523
Peterson used to be a goddamn socialist.

>>9577372
>When asked how why he believes in religion he will go on and on about "stories" and how they have a moral and are metaphors but can't answer directly why we should believe they actually happened.

He says that they never happened, although they are based in reality in that they are meta-stories.

I just tried to listen to his 'conversation' with Sam Harris. He starts by mocking French philosophers as unintelligible (fair enough) then spends two hours obfuscating the meaning of the word truth (if science creates the bomb, and the bomb kills us all, then the scientific truth of subatomic science is invalidated as truth must be grounded in moral expediency).

This sounds EXACTLY like the mumbo-jumbo French philosophers. Words don't mean what they mean and nobody knows anything. Profound stuff.

Sorry but if you arent a philosophy student/academic you shouldnt watch his videos. Its not for you

>>9576233
I read Maps of Meaning and it changed my views on religion. It doesn't require anything previous, although you can evaluate it better if you are read in the areas it draws from: psychology, cybernetics, cognitive science, neuroscience, phenomenology, history, religion/mythology, and so on (I think that's fairly exhaustive).

>>9578586
Thanks bud, i meant more that i'm like all of them, somehow no real person, just a combination of everything

>>9578658
His world view is tied to perception. We can look at things differently. Heck, objective reality is a subjective tool and nothing more. Worship it at your own peril.

> then the scientific truth of subatomic science is invalidated as truth
No, it invalidates our models.

>>9578863
Most people are to some degree like all of the goats, but most wouldn't recognize as much. Feeling like you're not a distinct person can be disorienting, but I think it's a good thing. The ego can stand in the way of meaningful introspection; with it out of the way, you can cultivate only those goats which you want to. It's almost like constructing a person where previously there was none.

>>9578896
Thanks man.
Feeling a little more depressed recently, like i don't belong anywhere.
No gaot really has a direct link to me, i feel alienated. Also i blame myself much more for my short comings than others.

>>9577372
>Believes SSRIs are useful to treat depression.
They've helped me a great deal, so go fuck yourself

>>9579104
he is a clinical psychologist anyway, his opinion is more valid than anyone here

>>9577372
>Thinks IQ is the biggest indicator of success in all aspects of life (other than physical pursuits). Yes there is strong correlation but he puts too much emphasis on it.
i'll keep trusting him on that until you link some studies that deny it

>>9577512
Well that's sort of the core of his philosophy though.

Someone can correct me if i'm wrong, because i've never read his stuff and only listened to him here and there, but Peterson's basic idea is that humans are a certain way and that's how they're supposed to be. He uses stuff like jungian archetypes as proof that the same traits show up over and over again across societies so there's something innate making them show up.

This is where his support for religion and anti-poMo stance come from. He doesn't necessarily believe in God but thinks religion is the best guide to how humans are supposed to live. He dislikes PoMo stuff because relativism is the exact opposite of his core belief, which is that humans are born with a sort of "biological imprint" on how to act.

His belief in the universalism of his values isn't really something to be disagreed with, but rather a core axiom that needs to be disproved

>>9579104

Thanks for your shitty little anecdote.

Now, do you understand the concept of regression to the mean? Most people who are depressed recover without ANY help, there's no evidence that SSRIs help any more than literally doing nothing.

All double blind studies with proper control groups have proven that SSRIs are worthless.

>>9579161
Yes, but to be precise, he thinks mythology is a good guide to action, not exactly religion, especially not religion as a modern practice with "scientific" theories, shitty theology, and poor readings of myths (it's shitty because it takes the myths literally instead of reading them with archetypes and primitive cognition in mind).

>>9579277
i love how someone can talk so much out of their ass and be convinced of it

>>9579277
uh lol what sort of anti-GMO sites do you lurk on?

>>9579277
http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/07/ssris-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/
>If you are as depressed as the average person who participates in studies of antidepressants, you can expect an antidepressant to have an over-placebo-benefit with an effect size of 0.3 to 0.5. That's the equivalent of a diet pill that gives you an average weight loss of 9 to 14 pounds, or a growth hormone that makes you grow on average 0.8 to 1.4 inches.

>>9576249
Can you give me his email?

>>9579161
>religion is the best guide to how humans are supposed to live
>the universalism of his values isn't really something to be disagreed with, but rather a core axiom that needs to be disproved

His belief religion is the best guide for people to act is the best example of how misguided his universalism is. He sees religion doing good things in his own little life so he thinks it's universally good whilst ignoring the terrible shit it's causing elsewhere.

Pic related, it's a 16 year old boy who was beheaded for braking the sharia law to attend Friday prayers. I bet he was real glad the guy holding the machete had religion to tell them how to act.

>>9579614
I'm this anon: >>9579311

And as I said there, he's not saying so much that religions as currently practiced are a good guide to action, but that myths are (this includes biblical stories, which are really just myths like any other).

>>9579636

The Bible contains the same shit, stories of non-believers being slaughtered etc.

1 Samuel 15:3: "This is what the Lord Almighty says ... 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.' "

Those who kill in the name of religion can point to bible/quran stories to back them up, just like people who do good things can. And if we're only going to pay attention to only the stories in line with what is considered good today, why does it matter if they are from the bible or not if we can pick and choose?

His position is totally inconsistent, he works back from what he considers good and points to stories that back him up ignoring the rest.

>>9579674
Peterson does not interpret myths in a literal, simplistic manner. He's currently doing a series of talks explaining Biblical stories, so you can know how he'd interpret that stuff when he gets there.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL22J3VaeABQD_IZs7y60I3lUrrFTzkpat

He doesn't advocate blindly following random shit in there anyways. For example, he thinks of the 10 Commandments as a more primitive form of morality than the kind presented in the Sermon on the Mount.

>>9578293
I'll kill myself after I kill you, faggot

>>9579525
Probably jordan.peterson@mail.utoronto.ca
Source: Go to his school. He probably won't reply to you if you send him something out of the blue, most profs (especially busy ones) don't reply to anything except official course business. Even then they'll usually request for you to send it to a TA or visit them in office hours before you email them.

>>9576329
He keeps criticizing behavioral psychologist in his lectures, prefering the approach of phenomenology philosophers. He's pretty well read and a smart guy, but that doesn't mean he's right about everything. He brings interesting ideas to the table though, which mean he's worthy of some attention.

>>9576527
>and they like to cite critical race theory

Haha wow. Get back to tumblr, am I right? Did you think that human rights experts believe in 18th century race theory? Are you anti critical theory?

>>9577372
>Believes SSRIs are useful to treat depression.

So do most practicing psychiatrists.

>and how they have a moral and are metaphors

Peterson is not really worth discussing this much. He's really just a shittier Joseph Campbell. But please don't go on about Jungian myth theory without having read one page of Jung.

>>9577380
But Molyneux wasn't good enough. No they needed Harris to mumble soothing platitudes about how they aren't racist or whatever. Now who's this new nigga? Are we gonna stand for this? I pine for the days when we could all gather around the unifying warmth of an AmazingAtheist video. 144p shot of hot candlewax on his genitals. It's all gotten so complicated with all this Jung and Aristotle. Can't we go back to stalking female game developers?

>>9577420

It isn't a question. This board think Peterson is a pseud (and he is), but half of the posters here don't even know how to engage his arguments

>>9577394

Literature can only derive meaning from another source. It is a signifier, not the signified. What Peterson is talking about is the transcendental-signified that was exorcised by Derrida.

>>9576373
>>9576292

how the fuck is that not relevant to what's happening in society today? If you'd live in the same city than him you'd understand how fucked up the situation and the it needs to be addressed somehow; it's very real,

>>9577394
Tolstoy was deeply religious bro

>>9576233

he has a reading list on his website

>>9578433
that's the same fucking thing, do you realize your brother is the most similar genetic entity to yourself hat exists?
you're still allowing your genes to pass on the next generation, and your feelings to take care of the child are nothing more than the result of evolution too; you have desirable genes that make the possibility of the next generation to mature higher through that feel of nurture so it just makes sense that the next branch on your genetic tree will be able to reproduce and continue the cycle too; it's a small misstep only.

>>9578623
7 Plus

If this came from a Frenchman, you would tons, tons of people chanting SO-KAL PA-PER, SO-KAL PA-PER but since it's LE BASED REKT SJW ANTIPOMO MAN, he's free to spout shit outside his expertise area, most of his fanbase is too uneducated to notice anyway.

>>9576233

Nietzsche, Eliade, Jung, Hillman, Guenon to start with.
Foucault is a no no.

>>9577512

>His basic problem is he thinks what's valuable to him is some sort of deep universal truth that applies for everyone.

Ok, now you have to explain me three things:

1. How is your claim that Peterson applies his personal perspective on valuable things to others weaken his arguments. Even if it was true that he recommends certain things just because he likes them (which I doubt), how does this contribute to show that his positions are not true? The fact that certain philosophical positions are a result of a personal inclination/bias is NOT an argument against them. It does not add anything to the fact that they are true or not.

2. What gave you confirmation that the way he lives his life is the source of his beliefs and not vice versa. Why is it not possible that his life choices - having kids, fighting postmodernism, studying religions - are the result of his beliefs and not the cause of it?

3. How is it not true for everyone that what they consider to be the truth is not universally applied to everyone else. In fact, the point of something being true is to be true in general, otherwise it is just an opinion. Truth is by definition universal. What Peterson does in this context is not different from what everyone else does.

>>9579158
>i'll keep trusting him on that until you link some studies that deny it

>>9576292
>intellectually dishonest
so you have no arguements against what he says

>>9576523
yeah people are aware is this supposed to be a gotta ya moment or something for commie faggots

>>9577372
>Thinks you MUST have children to live a fulfilling life.
this is true if you are not going to have children kill yourself and free up resources for people who will

>>9578446
thats nice how many newton tier people do you have on /lit/ not many so have kids and sort yourselves out

>>9576233
> then he starts talking about the balancing our minds on cosmic planes and the soul being turned into an anti-soul due to foucaltian post-pre-archaeomodernist algorithms and I end up completely lost

When he talks shit like that then it's always metaphorical. He isn't actually a spiritualist, at least not in his arguments. Most of his stuff is just rehashed Jung, so read him.

>>9579802
he said on the JRE podcast that he tries to reply to most of his emails but he doesn't have enough time

>>9578433
Your brother shares genes with you dumbass.

Helping your families kids is fairly effective at propagating your own genes. Humanity works at the level of the survival of genes, not the survival of your personal bloodline.

>>9576601
This whole post reads like a smuggie comic.

>>9577372
Every single one of those criticisms is retarded though, you should seriously sort yourself out. By the looks of it you seem to have an opinion based on nothing other than your perceived intellectualism.

Also commies please leave 4chan. :^)

>>9577846
Same lol I was about to sperg at the guy for
>highlighting novels

>>9577372
>Believes SSRIs are useful to treat depression.

There is tons of evidence to support his position you faggot.

>>9578293
>There's a rock wall after the green "enlightened" goats
So that's not the peak.
What's beyond that?

>>9581256
Coca Cola-sponsored studies found Coca Cola wasn't bad for you.

Same with the rest of the sugar industry.

The nation was literally fooled into thinking low-fat high-sugar diets were good after the state subsidized the sugar industry.

Now the same thing is happening with SSRIs, all studies sponsored by pharma conclude they work, all those NOT sponsored conclude they don't. Somehow only the sponsored ones get published widely, and you just take them as fact.

When will you morons ever learn?

>>9581277
Evidence for this claim

http://www.badscience.net/2008/02/619/

>One example came just last month. As I reported at the time, a paper in the New England Journal of Medicine dug out a list of all trials on SSRIs which had ever been registered with the Food and Drug Administration, and then went to look for those same trials in the academic literature. There were 37 studies which were assessed by the FDA as positive and, with a single exception, every one of those positive trials was written up, proudly, and published in full. But there were also 33 studies which had negative or iffy results and, of those, 22 were simply not published at all — they were buried — while 11 were written up and published in a way that portrayed them as having a positive outcome.

>>9576523

No probably not, he's only read all of his work and frequently discusses various aspects of Orwell's life

Please kill yourself, retard.

>>9576287
8. The Painted Bird – Jerzy Kosinski

Pretty sure this was a fraud? It that why he wants people to read it?

>>9576523
He's a pseud, not a retard.

On many things he and I agree, and I don't like this.

>>9581361
>Pseud
>Tenured professor of psychology

>>9581368
>Tenured professor of psychology
>can't stop talking about philosophy

Both start with P but there is indeed a difference

>>9577372
IN a given task smarter person will always do better than the dumber one.That's just a fact of life.

>>9581133

>1. How is your claim that Peterson applies his personal perspective on valuable things to others weaken his arguments
Because what's valuable to him might not be right for everyone else. For example he thinks having kids is good so everyone should do it to be happy, but plenty of people genuinely do not want kids and their lives are way less happy if they get someone pregnant. He can't understand this if it's not his experience.
>2. What gave you confirmation that the way he lives his life is the source of his beliefs and not vice versa.
I never said anything about this, you're arguing against a point I never made. I'm sure his life choices ARE the result of his beliefs, the problem is he thinks those life choices should be taken by others even if they don't share his beliefs.
>3. How is it not true for everyone that what they consider to be the truth is not universally applied to everyone else?
Plenty of people have the intelligence to know that what is right for them might not be some universal truth that applies to everyone else. I am happier being an atheist than when I went to church, but I know some are happier being religious and that's cool. I know that what is right for me isn't some objectively right way for everyone.
>In fact, the point of something being true is to be true in general, otherwise it is just an opinion.
This is my problem with Peterson in a nutshell. He wants to make his opinions universal truths via some retarded Jungian justifications.

>>9582067
>the problem is he thinks those life choices should be taken by others even if they don't share his beliefs.
>He wants to make his opinions universal truths
Literally every philosopher ever
>but I know some are happier being religious and that's cool.
Oh now it's clear, you're low-IQ

>>9582916
He may be a little limited, still he's right.
Also baselining philosophers to jordans beliefs is kinda insulting, don't you think?

>>9582937
Yea it could be up for debate whether Peterson should be enlisted as a philosopher or not, but the point remains: "He wants to make his opinions universal truths" just shows the lack of familiarity with philosophy or any form of knowledge really

>>9579879
>shittier Joseph Campbell

idk famalam i'm pretty good with the 2.0 version, more archetypal myth to go around

in many respects it's a shittier age also

>>9576233
he's a covert mystic like his daddy

campbell: follow your bliss

peterson: follow your suffering

fucking neomarxists really ruined everything didn't they

>>9583155
Hinduism is the worst religion and that quote shows how much of a fool Campbell was. "Thou art that" is the most disgusting absurdity every spoken by a human being.

>>9577535
>NYC meetups
>Jews come as a surprise

>>9583051

You really think there is a debate about whether he should be considered a philosopher?

His rambling attempts at philosophy wouldn't pass in an undergraduate level philosophy essay (see pic related).

He just uses vague references to philosophy to justify his Oprah's book club tier self help advice and insane conspiracy theories about neo-Marxists taking over Canada.

His talent, such as it is, is dressing his opinions up in pseudo-philosophical clothing to trick retards who can't recognise the real thing and in your case it seems to have worked.

>>9583383
>I know more about philosophy than the tenured professor who has taught at harvard because I read 30 pages of das kapital and watch zizek videos on youtube

>>9576233

Jorblum Peterstund

>>9583394
yeah. but he is a pseud

>>9583383
>man speaking about philosophy uses a facebook post to justify a claim.
>unable to apply the principal of charity
>conflating the quality of content in a facebook post with the quality of content in a more structured writing format
>refutation with no justification
>refutation with no justification

Jesus dude, do you think you could spend a little more time explaining why all of these problems with the man's writing are the case?

Can you give us an argument?

>>9583394

He didn't teach philosophy and has zero qualifications in that subject, so I don't see what that has to do with anything.

Being a tenured professor in one subject doesn't make you an authority on all other subjects.

>>9583447
he's a doctor of philosophy, retard

Dance my puppets

>>9579887

respect the rules of the Church.

>>9583474

No he's not, his PhD is in clinical psychology.
You should take 30 seconds to check your facts before calling other people retarded.

>>9583531
>he doesn't know what phd means

>>9576233
>This guy hooks me in but then he starts talking about the balancing our minds on cosmic planes and the soul being turned into an anti-soul due to foucaltian post-pre-archaeomodernist algorithms and I end up completely lost.
It's because he's one of the word salad creating PoMo hacks he constantly complains about.

>>9583051
Well i just find it inadequate that one would call him a philosopher.
Universal truths are far from truth. I see what you are getting at, but there's simply no comparrison between a real philosopher and someone who is writing something for the time he lives in.
Transending time is the key to philosophy.

Has anyone cleaned their room this week?

>>9576233
J U N G
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>>9583383
>reads das kapital once

>>9583383
>insane conspiracy theories about neo-maxists taking over canada
Implying it hasnt already happened

Just clean your room, you fucking idiot.

>>9585215
This isn't a dfw thread
>>9585217
I like the cobwebs, at least i know i'm not alone

>>9576523
social democrat =/= socialist

>>9577837
Some one posts lit. No one talks about it. Stay /lit/ /lit/

>>9583552
>he thinks a 'doctor of philosophy' in that context means qualification in the field of philosophy
>he calls other people retards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32tjtRRkVO8

@5:20 Jordan Peterson: "The problem with posting on 4chan"

>>9585293
define them both, if you can nigger

>>9586400
>>9585293
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmp84FBOYaM

>>9586393
He must have visited here at least once.

>>9586414
/pol/ idolizes him. So no real surprise.

>>9582916
>Oh now it's clear, you're low-IQ
>You are low-IQ
-/lit/

>>9579104
they nearly ruined my life. SSRIs hurt much more than they helped me.

>>9586866
are you retarded?

>>9576233
>What the fuck is this man talking about?
He's telling you that western civilization is a degenerate cesspool of chaos because Derrida and Foucault tricked the world into thinking that we don't have pure objective truth, we only have individual subjective interpretations of reality that we can give probability truth values to within a linguistic framework. These two sneaky postmodernists, combined with Marxist ideology, are directly responsible for the evil leftist SJW otherkin from tumblr. The only way to slay the dragon and fight the claim that 'we can only describe reality with inter-subjective linguistic models' is to turn to Christian mythology and redefine 'truth'. Then you are free to embrace Jungian archetypes, unshackle yourself from living mortal authority figures, teachers, parents; anyone whose approval is protecting you from the fear of death, realize how awful Marxism is in practice, and find truth in a non-literal interpretation of the reoccurring themes in Christian mythology-- Most of which unpackage to show a dragon or snake that needs to be defeated; the serpent usually being a representation of chaos.

Essentially, Peterson is what you get if you were to look at Discordianism and take the polar opposite stance on every topic.

>>9587013
Excellent post anon, well said.

>>9586911
I know English grammar can be extremely challenging, squire, but don't give up the struggle. One day, after you have have spent quite a few more years studying, somebody may look at your writing, realize you now have a high IQ, and proclaim, "You are High-IQ." The important thing is to not lose hope in yourself. Start today. Perhaps begin with something simple like holding down the shift key with the first letter of a sentence?

>>9576523
He doesn't spend his time criticising socialism anon, he criticises Communism and postmodernism. Orwell divorced himself from Communism after his time spent in Catalonia, something I'm sure Professor Peterson is well aware of.

>>9581004
see how is this any different from the sort of stuff he claims to hate (/postmodern French obfuscation)?

>>9587072
Orwell was a socialist. At the time of his death communism hadnt come to mean 'soviet union' so its not a distinction. Orwell's work is a critique of the totalitarian instinct.

>>9587013
>Derrida and Foucault tricked the world into thinking that we don't have pure objective truth, we only have individual subjective interpretations of reality that we can give probability truth values to within a linguistic framework.
>fight the claim that 'we can only describe reality with inter-subjective linguistic models'

/lit/ has always been split on ideas like determinism and moral and aesthetic structures, but the one area in which /lit/ almost collectively agreed, despite the conversion to Christianity a few years ago, was that reality and truth was looked at through the microscope of subjectivity, and these subjective perceptions could come together and form an inter-subjective picture of the landscape it described: this picture become more refined and detailed the more data was uncovered and the more previous theories were replaced by new ones. It's remarkable that the majority of /lit/ his jumped ship ever since Peterson seduced them by nibbling on their necks and whispering 'logos' into their ears.

>>9587114
>despite the conversion to Christianity a few years ago

not that anon, but this is interesting. i wasn't here years ago. what was the turning point? gamergate? is this when the redpill started becoming more popular?

/lit/ seems to be divided in its devotion to dank stirner memes, christianity, runoff from /pol/ and the occasional thread about actual literature now (DFW/Pynchon/Joyce) etc

what a fascinating place

>>9579104
All they did was ruin my dick to be quite honest with you.

>>9587114
Every other /lit/ thread in 2014 and 2015 was, "What is post-modernism?" and worshiping DFW and Pinecone as post-modern Gods. The majority were also neo-Marxists. They still don't really understand postmodernism, but have gone from idolizing it to despising it since it's been incorrectly made synonymous with SJWs. The easiest way to dismiss something (especially something that takes any amount of effort to understand) is to attribute it to something they hate.

>>9581004
>proof is impossible without an axiom
yes
>thus faith in god is a prerequisite for all proof
???
What a massive logical leap, lmao.

>>9583144
I often have visual hallucinations/disturbances and see something very similar to that symbol on the right on a regular basis. What does it mean?

>>9587101
A critique of the totalitarian instinct as it often found expression through Communism. He comes to this realisation himself when witnessing the punishments doled out to his comrades by the Communists in Catalonia. Of course, he is equally critical of fascism, but that is not to say Orwell was not critical of Communism. The man was a democratic socialist. He says so himself, clearly and emphatically, in his essay "why I write".

>>9587013
>The only way
[citation needed]
>the evil leftist SJW otherkin from tumblr being a real world problem and not an internet/college circlejerk
nice meme

>>9587312
>college circlejerk
Right, because people being assaulted and harassed on campus because of their political beliefs isn't a serious issue?

>>9587013
>He's telling you that western civilization is a degenerate cesspool of chaos because Derrida and Foucault tricked the world into thinking that we don't have pure objective truth, we only have individual subjective interpretations of reality that we can give probability truth values to within a linguistic framework.
He actually agrees with the postmodernists about reality being just our subjective interpretation, but from then on he diverts from them (and on just about everything) because he doesn't believe in that subjective reality is necessarily relative, concerning things like science and morality. He thinks that we can evaluate the "truthness" of morality in a pragmatic way, looking at it's functionality as a tool. In this way stories, ancient mythical stories such as Cain and Abel, can be more "true" than our own experienced reality because over time they've been shaped by being filtered through generations of people to hold what are perceived to be the realest things in the human experience. Nietszche saw the death of god, and the same was observed by dostoyevsky, as the breaking down of the West's established morality, which would lead to nihilism and moral decay. Postmodernists now represent this aimless and resentful nihilisim that caused the West's ideological wavering which lead to the rise of facism and communism in the 20th century. He wants people to understand the meaning of the ancient stories that have formed the foundation for the West, and that way get them to bring the lost truth and meaning back from the dead -- rescue their dead father. This way we can combat the inevitable resentment that comes from nihilisim, that leads to totalitarian ideologies.

>>9581004
>as Gödel proved
>thus faith
This tweet is really the essence of Peterson - shamelessly ignorant namedropping and stupefying non-sequiturs. He should have stayed in his field.

>>9587331
Violence over political views is not a unique feat of adherents of poststructuralism or SJWs. Stop being a brainlet in a nice thread.

>>9587356
What an utter nonresponse. There is a culture of violence, intimidation and harassment specifically on universities campuses from the so called "SJW" camp of ideology. Political violence is not unique to them, nor has anyone claimed it is. It is however a serious issue on campus that needs to be addressed.

>>9587364
Yes, the problem to be addressed is one of political violence. Irrespective of underlying flavor of the month ideology. Stop being retarded please, it's really annoying.

>>9587343
Good post anon, this thread is really illuminating.

It's too bad that Peterson has to keep invoking Derrida and Foucault as if it was their intent to consciously and wilfully destroy the Western tradition rather than to diagnose Power and its representation. Peterson's issue is with the disciples - angry mobs of radicalized students - less than those thinkers themselves. It's not like there weren't postmodern thinkers who didn't understand the concept of ressentiment or of what happens when you dissociate actual Marxism from figurative Marxism...but that is basically how postmodernity comes to be.

Weirdly enough I suppose pic related is probably the guy people would look to as being one of the most relevant figures to that episode in cultural life, and yet he was also the one most aware of where things would be heading.

*forgot pic

>>9587375
SPECIFICALLY ON UNIVERSITY CAMPUSES, the source of political violence and suppression of free speech is the broad group of leftwingers caught under the umbrella term "SJW". Stop being intellectually dishonest.

>>9587432
Specifically on university campuses SJWs are not the unique source of political violence nor is violence inherent to all sorts and walks of SJWs. Stop being intellectually handicapped.

>>9587312
Jesus Christ, Stuart. I didn't think you were this incapable of intelligent discourse. It would be nice if you could manage to form a coherent post for once instead of lowercase two word dismissals that demonstrate, again, that you haven't understood anything you have read.

>the evil leftist SJW otherkin from tumblr being a real world problem and not an internet/college circlejerk
nice meme
Are you even familiar with Peterson at all, Stuart? The fact that his public lectures are routinely protested by radical feminists and SJWs. The fact that he has been in and out of senate hearings with the c-16 legislation ordering all Canadian citizens to use a myriad of gender pronouns like 'zir' and 'xis'.

>a real world problem
>nice meme
If having your public appearances constantly protested by lunatics with megaphones, and having to appear before judges and senates because the laws of your country are being changed is just a 'meme', then what, by your standards, Stu, would constitute a real world problem?

>>9581267
/fitlit/

>>9587444
It's becoming pretty apparent that you're exactly the sort of person people like Peterson are rallying against, I have nothing left to say to you.

>>9587453
>actively repeatedly publicly attack and denounce exorcists and future tellers
>get picqueted by loons
>wew belief in supernatural is a really important societal problem now
Great logic there, chief.
>c-16 legislation ordering all Canadian citizens to use a myriad of gender pronouns
The legislation never ordered this nor did it criminalize the common usage of conventional pronouns. The pronoun story is there because Peterson was asked by university staff to use them. But thanks for confirming you get all your news from /pol/.

Also, is Stuart a derogatory term in Canadia?

>>9587483
>I have nothing left to say to you
It was obvious you didn't have anything to say in the first place. Take a course in logic, it might help.

>>9587506
If the exorcists were infiltrating academia, hitting people over the head with bikelocks, and presenting their occult beliefs as fact to students worldwide then occultists in academia certainly would be a massive problem.

>>9587395
I think you're mistaken. What Derrida and Foucault diagnosed as the problem is what Peterson wants to see revived. They saw what could be called the masculine spirit of tradition, or what some may call the patriarchy, and the set of values that it holds, that give West it's structure as an opressive force which needs to be destroyed, and then built up from the ground. Peterson believes that the people who believe this mostly do it out of resentment for society, and probably that postmodernism is just a way the resentment for being manifests itself.

>>9587139
>not that anon, but this is interesting. i wasn't here years ago. what was the turning point? gamergate? is this when the redpill started becoming more popular?

It was a little bit before gamergate and being 'pilled' in various colors became popular. When /lit/ first started, it was mainly populated by fairly liberal (in the classical sense) atheists. The death of Hitchens resonated for a good two years and /lit/ stayed predominantly atheist until around the time the tripfag Deep&Edgy had his account hacked.

Just like /lit/ has now gone from worshiping postmodernism to despising it because it's been attributed to an image they detest, the Social Justice Warriors, they jumped ship on the subject of theology when atheism was attributed to another negative image, the fedora meme. The height of that was probably around 2012. At first 'Christposting' as it was called then, was purely trolling. Just like with most topics, it was fun back then to debate take the underdog position; to try to win a debate from the weakest position as an intellectual exercise. But /lit/ became swamped in fifty daily 'where do I start with the bible' threads, newcomers to the board slowly thought the threads were sincere, and theology became the dominant ideology.

It's fascinating from a social psychology standpoint, and it's happened with quite a few other topics: The dominant thought gets linked to something they detest, and the opposing view, if it is the underdog or the camp with the least supporters, gets adopted. It's contrarianism combined with the need to adopt a group ideology. And that ideology is often the weakest position, when the opposing view becomes too popular. Christianity will remain as popular as it is until it gets linked to a negative meme and atheism somehow becomes the intellectual underdog.

>>9587512
>hitting people over the head with bikelocks
It's nonsense to suggest SJWs are inherently violent especially considering the vagueness of term which in internet terms includes absolutely everyone not 'redpilled'. But thanks again for using the poltardian discourse methods.
>infiltrating academia, presenting beliefs as fact
Wew. Never before in history have professors imparted their personal beliefs onto their students. Absolutely shocking development.

>>9587395
I mean Derrida did literally pay women to have abortions at his clinic, he ain't some saint like your making out.

>>9587506
>The legislation never ordered this nor did it criminalize the common usage of conventional pronouns.
Wrong again, Stuart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnIAAkSNtqo

>>9587576
I've already acknowledged the vagueness of the term SJW, because it encompasses a rather wide range of viewpoints, individuals and organisations. Organisations like black lives matter and antifa, marxist professors, intersectional feminists, these are the sort of people I am referring to. I don't browse /pol/, by the by, not that you'll believe me regardless. Yes, professors often share their beliefs, the issue is the lack of diversity in those beliefs. Queer theory, gender theory and the like are simply overrepresented amongst faculty. Go look at a list of organisations at your local university. Count up the number of "left wing" student groups and compare that to the number of "right wing" groups. Ask yourself this also: are left wing speakers at university met with the resistance that speakers like Milo Yiannopolis (who I am not a fan of, for the record) or Jordan Peterson are?

I also never claimed that "SJWs" are inherently violent. I claimed that the majority of political violence on campus is being perpetrated by them. I can't help but find it funny that you can't distinguish between the two, given you were just telling me to take a course on logic. Or were you purposefully trying to misrepresent me?

>>9587600
>i'm wrong and have no arguments
>time to link an hour long YT video with no timestamp
You have to go back.

>>9587545
I agree with this interpretation. Well said.

I always felt that what Derrida and others were responding to was the Holocaust specifically, more than Stalinism (which is something Peterson raises more frequently). The phallologos that Derrida critiques and Peterson valorizes is there both as this important, even sacred, force of renewal (Peterson) but of course as this terribly destructive invisible centre that legitimizes force (Derrida and others). It really is a sort of dialogue about men themselves, the concept of the heroic and what happens when those forces are channeled into mass social movements. That masculine spirit of tradition is indeed the issue at hand.

I'm not well-read in Derrida, however, so please feel free to correct me on this.

>>9587573
>It's fascinating from a social psychology standpoint, and it's happened with quite a few other topics: The dominant thought gets linked to something they detest, and the opposing view, if it is the underdog or the camp with the least supporters, gets adopted. It's contrarianism combined with the need to adopt a group ideology. And that ideology is often the weakest position, when the opposing view becomes too popular. Christianity will remain as popular as it is until it gets linked to a negative meme and atheism somehow becomes the intellectual underdog.

Brilliant! I think that's it too. Kind of amazing, really, how these things come and go. I have to say, I like /lit/ in its current state, I'm amazed to find so many Catholic/Thomist threads (and Peterson is next door to much of that, so your explanation really helps me to understand why he would be so popular here, and now, and why, and so on). I guess it just sits well with my own feeling, that after continental philosophy Catholicism just starts to seem really interesting...but I guess it's always going to be changing...

Thanks for the informative posts anons, have a patrician cafe.

>>9587576
>It's nonsense to suggest SJWs are inherently violent especially considering the vagueness of term
No, the fact that you personally consider the term SJW to be too vague certainly doesn't need to be considered.

>redpilled
>poltardian
If it isn't too much trouble for you, could you try to use use more conventional words? I'm not the guy you're arguing with, I'm one of the other people who thinks you don't know much about what you're talking about. The terms you use are obviously loaded with something, but I'm really not familiar enough with the culture of the /pol/ board to fathom what 'poltardian discourse' is supposed to mean. Surely you know some synonyms that would appear in a standard dictionary.

Back to your main point. Your basic argument was criticizing a very tongue-in-cheek paraphrase of Peterson's view. You objected to:

>"The only way to slay the dragon and fight the claim that 'we can only describe reality with inter-subjective linguistic models' is to turn to Christian mythology and redefine 'truth'. Then you are free to embrace Jungian archetypes, unshackle yourself from living mortal authority figures, teachers, parents; anyone whose approval is protecting you from the fear of death, realize how awful Marxism is in practice, and find truth in a non-literal interpretation of the reoccurring themes in Christian mythology-- Most of which unpackage to show a dragon or snake that needs to be defeated; the serpent usually being a representation of chaos."

It's deliberate hyperbole, but it seems rather accurate to me. If it is within your ability, could you elaborate on what it is that you object to, or what part of Peterson's stance you think was badly portrayed?

>>9587607
>the lack of diversity in those beliefs
There isn't though. Come to any serious business school and you will see a fuckton of conservatives. Come to a tech institute and there's nothing but transhumanists and accelerationist loons. You're just more exposed to the "SJW problem" because of it's incredibly overblown memetic status on the internet. Also, it's funny how you yourself acknowledge the vagueness of the term and point out specific types you deem to be SJW, yet invariably two sentences later generalize and throw all the "left wing" groups into the basket again. Yes, students are predominantly leftist - it has been that since time immemorial and it's in the nature of men at that age. Doesn't mean that everyone to the left is an SJW.
>majority of political violence on campus is being perpetrated by them
Dubious claim at best, but regardless as I've already pointed out the problem of violence is a systemic issue, not a distinctive feature of SJWs. If you want to combat it - go after the violence, eg enforce strict expulsion rules for violent students. I'm pretty sure frat hazing leaves more people severely traumatized than all the actions of rabid feminists and BLM combined.

anyone else on here never watched one of this dude, molyneux, rogan, harris, dawkins, etc. videos? i dont really understand the appeal. why not just read an old book

>>9587676
>Universities aren't leftist loony bins their leftist asylums

>>9587614
>i'm wrong and have no arguments
You made that evident a long time ago. First you claim that the c-16 legislation doesn't require the use of new gender pronouns in every day language should the person in question wish to be called 'Xis' instead of him. Then you go on to dismiss a recording of the senate hearing that proves you wrong with "You have to go back." Well, sir, I do not need to go back, as I've already watched it. It would appear it is you who needs to go back and do your homework.

>link an hour long YT video with no timestamp
Timestamp? You obviously clicked the link to see it was an hour in length, so how on earth could you miss the date of the senate committee just one second into the video? It took up the entire screen and was displayed twice; once in English and once in French. You are becoming absurd now.

>>9587663
>personally consider the term SJW to be too vague
It's not a personal consideration. SJW is everything from naive young men white-knighting a girl on facebook and "marxist" freshmen two chapters into Kapital to Hugh Mungus girl and violent antifa and BLM members. I understand your need to deliberately avoid clarifying this, so that you can wile away out of any argument by claiming you meant someone else, but I'm afraid it's necessary if you hope to keep the veil of rational discourse on your walls of pseudointellectual tripe.
>The only way
This is my problem right there. There's any number of ways to derive different pragmatic truths from a multitude of sources, religious or not. You could claim that Christianity is the best way to go for the West because it's largely the foundation of it, tightly intertwined with our culture, but to say it is the only way to go is absurd. This is precisely the "presenting personal opinions as facts by professors" the other poster is talking about.

>>9587246
You should read what he means by God.

>>9587444
>SJWs are not the unique source of political violence
They are.

>>9587597
Sounds utterly jewish to me.

>>9587688
>anyone else on here never watched one of this dude, molyneux, rogan, harris, dawkins, etc. videos? i dont really understand the appeal. why not just read an old book

I sometimes listen to a few podcasts as background noise when I'm working, and watch a few YT videos when they enter the public arena and becomes a very focal discussion point.

I guess I do this over reading as the issues and discussions are current and topical, and decent books being written on contemporary issues are scarce and too time consuming when my reading backlog is already enormous.

I like to stay abreast of current issues when they fringe on being 'intelligent', and after watching a few of Peterson's videos, I'd class him and the circus surrounding him as 'fringing on being intelligent'. When the public sphere consist of things like Kim Kardashian's lips or something Taylor Swift tweeted, things like this pull me back in a little and make sure I haven't lost touch with contemporary society entirely.

>>9576233
Squealer is going to throw Jordan Peterson into a gulag!

>>9587711
>a recording of the senate hearing that proves you wrong
It doesn't prove anything, dingus. Bill C-16 has no mention of pronouns whatsoever. The pronouns comment was uttered by Ontario Human Rights Commissioner and isn't legally binding nor has virtually anything to do with the bill at all.
>timestamp
Timestamp is linking a video starting at precise point where your supposed argument appears in it instead of just dumping an unreasonably long bulk and claiming whatever you want about it in vague hope the opposing side will be overwhelmed by your made up evidence without checking, like you did.

>>9587731

>everything from naive young men white-knighting a girl on facebook and "marxist" freshmen two chapters into Kapital to Hugh Mungus girl and violent antifa and BLM members

And yet they all fall through air at the same rate: 9.8 m/s squared. There's a simple beauty in physics, something sjws will never understand until it's too late.

>>9587711
This post is so reddit it hurts

>>9587731
>>The only way
>This is my problem right there. There's any number of ways to derive different pragmatic truths from a multitude of sources, religious or not.
"The only way to "slay the dragon" is to
-destroy inter-subjective linguistic models
-turn to Christian mythology and redefine 'truth'
-embrace Jungian archetypes,
-unshackle yourself from living mortal authority figures
-realize how awful Marxism is in practice
-find truth in a non-literal interpretation of the reoccurring themes in Christian mythology"

You do realize that you are objecting to a deliberately exaggerated portrayal of Peterson's stance and not anyone's actual opinion, right?

>This is precisely the "presenting personal opinions as facts by professors" the other poster is talking about.
Yes, that's part of the point being made.

>>9587786
>This post is so reddit
>>9587576
>poltardian discourse

What do you mean when you dismiss something as being pol or reddit? Not trolling, I'm genuinely curious. Is pol meant as a rough blanket term for right wing and reddit a rough blanket term for left wing?

>>9587806
those ideas all seem really good

>>9587826
Spend half an hour browsing /pol/ and you will get it. Reddit is just a catch-all term for anything local teenagers deem not edgy or contrarian enough.

>>9587806
Apologies. I misunderstood the point of your post.

>>9587832
Now I'm totally confused, not wanting to behead anybody right of Marx is now edgy among teenagers?

>>9587656
I find you observation of Derrida responding to the Holocaust and Peterson to Stalinism very intresting, because i believe Peterson thinks that the postmodernists are a similar threat as the socialists were, and that the alt-right as a response to the SJWs is very similar how the facists were a response to the socialists. Peterson however, unlike Derrida, is also responding to the Holocaust. He believes that the alt-right/Nazis are only partially correct because they got the revival of culture and tradition right, but they didn't to put the individual to the top, and instead they have elevated the state and the group to the top of the hierarchy. Derrida believes that all of it, culture and tradition and the state and the group (in this case white people are the opressive group because of white nationalism and what it caused), are terrible, and all of it needs to be destroyed. So I think in a way Derrida didn't respond to the other half, that is communism and the destruction of the masculine spirit, and instead felt resentment towards it, but Peterson is trying to adress the problem of both nationalism and communism.

>>9587839
Depends on each individual teenager.

>>9587841
>Peterson thinks that the postmodernists are a similar threat as the socialists were
Peterson doesn't really have to do that much digging, French postmodernists spent three decades excusing Mao and Guevara.

>>9587853
Maybe i understated how much he thinks they are the same thing, and how self-evident that really is for everyone.

>>9576292
He stole all his ideas from /pol/. The only thing he added was 'tidy your room', which is worthless. I think his plan was to gain notoriety and then push his own ideas about erections and other cuck shit and drone on about how the Jews were depressed in the Holohoax like every other meme professor before him.

>>9587832
>Spend half an hour browsing /pol/ and you will get it.
Browsed the catalog but couldn't spend 30mins there: Trump, Brexit, anti-women, anti-transgender, Trump, 'based-Putin', women shouldn't be in college, Trump, anti-SJW, anti-women, Jewish conspiracy, LGBT-hate, bottom shelf racism, some apparently in-board memes, more anger at minority groups, women, feminists, and SJWs

>Reddit is just a catch-all term for anything local teenagers deem not edgy or contrarian enough.
Really? I thought the opposite. I thought the edgy fedora's came from reddit :/

I always thought:
/pol/- strawman dismissal as redneck, right wing or narrow minded
reddit - strawman dismissal as edgy atheist or group-think mentality
tumblr - strawman dismissal as left wing, SJW, or too sensitive and in need of a hug

>>9576571
That's because traditionally Christianity is a non-superstitious, rational philosophy, but some people take it too far and then there's atheists who hit out of the park completely.

>>9587875
Yes, originally and sometimes still reddit stands for it. Nowadays due to constant influx of edgy underage b& and redditors themselves it's just anything not alternative and radical enough or literally anything someone disagrees with or finds "le plebeian".

>>9587841
I agree with your interpretation completely, it is super-interesting and worth thinking about.

It seems as though Peterson's thing is *totalitarianism,* state tyranny, but he doesn't really distinguish between its left and right aspects. Nor can he, I suppose, because he's looking at all of this alchemically/mythically and so on. The heroic individual doesn't and can't really skew left or right in that sense.

Still tho, it's remarkable that both he and his detractors would wind up in this situation where they end up talking past each other: Peterson wants to wrestle with the spectre of communism while he gets accused of himself being representative of the spectre of fascism. Peterson wants to deal with totalitarianism as a single phenomenon (which in part it is) but of course the constitution of right-wing totalitarianism is other than that of left-wing totalitarianism...even if the final result is mass executions in the end. I can almost feel Peterson in my ear right now when I write that, shouting, No it isn't, Sunshine

>So I think in a way Derrida didn't respond to the other half, that is communism and the destruction of the masculine spirit, and instead felt resentment towards it, but Peterson is trying to adress the problem of both nationalism and communism.

Yes, agreed. Derrida was, from what I understand, mostly an outsider in his life and made to feel like one. Peterson is kind of an outsider in this academic sense, but in another way is also voluntarily taking on the role of being an ultimate insider in this psychological/symbolic/cultural sense.

>He believes that the alt-right/Nazis are only partially correct because they got the revival of culture and tradition right, but they didn't to put the individual to the top, and instead they have elevated the state and the group to the top of the hierarchy.
This also.

As Joseph Campbell once remarked, he that does not become a hero becomes another victim to be slain. The irony of the quote in this picture, however, is that you have a situation where both sides - Peterson and his detractors - are both convinced they are the ones who are really slaying the dragon of the status quo. Sounds like a recipe for tragedy if you ask me.

>>9587900
*saved, not slain!

>>9587875
>or too sensitive and in need of a hug
Anon, I could really do with a nice warm loving hug.

>>9587770
m8, fuck contemporary society. live in the eternal

>>9587884
People don't realize that Aquinas is proto-analytical philosopher.

>>9587948
>m8, fuck contemporary society. live in the eternal

Said in a Jordan Peterson thread on a forum for Chinese cartoons

>>9588050
Newfag, let me tell you a secret. You'll be here forever.

>>9588119
so we are supposed to live in the eternal but we're already on /lit/ 4ever

>/lit/ is the eternal

makes sense now

>>9588119
>Newfag,
lol
>You'll be here forever.
I fear you could be right. I left around the time Satan and Sunhawk did, around the start of 2015. I've been back three or five times in the interim but left immediately, under an hour. I had the whole of last month off work and started binging /lit/ hard. I really hope this isn't the slippery slope back in.

WTF, guys? A Peterson thread left the front page for five minutes.

>>9587476
I'm glad I asked

"The Rape of Nanking – Iris Chang"

Peterson actually believes that Chinese soldiers retreating into a city undressing and then waging guerilla warfare in civilian clothing after surrendering isn't a war crime but killing them is?

>>9587874
Untidy room detected.

>>9587875
>>9587832
>>9587826
To gain a little insight on what is meant by "Reddit", note their habit of marking sarcastic posts with "/s".

>>9586393
>@5:20 Jordan Peterson: "The problem with posting on 4chan"

He has a whole clip devoted to 4chan and memes too. I'm too lazy to find it. You know how to YOutube

>>9589903
Is this what the Japanese narrative states? Because I've never heard it put quite like that before.

>>9586497
>/pol/ idolizes him

Which is quite schizophrenic because /pol/ is literally a part of what Peterson is against.

>>9591192
Peterson is probably unironically a schizo

>>9591192
>/pol/ is literally a part of what Peterson is against.
/lit/ too. He shits on the whole of 4chan and posting under anonymity in this guys clip >>9586393

>>9586393
>you're not telling the truth if you post things anonymously

How does anyone take this kook seriously

>>9587874
>He stole all his ideas from /pol/
as we all know, /pol/ is truly the hotbed for intellectual discourse. known for such classic schools of thought such as 'tha joos did it' and 'how can white bois even compete'. i can definitely see how he stole all his ideas from them.

>>9591222
It's true though. When you post anonymously you aren't bearing the responsibility of your speech.