/lit/ - Literature

Smartphone with Rybka

fischer himself wrote a good chess book

but unless you're 1800 elo or above you don't need to learn strategy just play

>>9253551
>1800 elo or above you don't need to learn strategy just play

pretty much this, just play a lot, develop an arsenal of openings.

>>9253559
Openings are useless <2000. Endgame study is most important, followed by tactics.

>>9253511
>>>/sp/

>>9253511
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_System

>>9253564
How do you think you get to that endgame? The majority of sub 2000 games between evenly matched players are either lost by a blunder, or one player winning small material/positional advantage in the opening, then carrying it into the endgame. If you don't have a solid grasp of basic opening objectives and some of the most common lines, you will lose 100% of the time to players that do.

>>9253564
tactics > basic opening principles >>>> powergap >>>>> endgames

>>9253604
you are like a little baby

chess is for plebs, ai can beat you lol

So technically a chess grandmaster is dumber than a taxi driver (ai cant drive)

>>9253604

This is why every time I lose a game on Lichess in turns into a long drawn out affair with the winning side will missing multiple checkmate opportunities.

>>9253620
I'm talking about for beginners
What the fuck is the point of learning endgames if you can't reach them? The only thing you need is rook and king mate.

https://lichess.org/2ojjBNKb
Let's go /lit/

>>9253637

You have to play an endgame regardless of whether you're winning or not. "endgame" is not synonymous with checkmating the other side, it also includes defense. If you don't learn how to finish a game you're not going to know how to stop the other side from finishing it.

look up the tactical motifs on google
go on chesstempo and do 600 trillion tictacts

>>9253646
No one?
>>9253651
The point is in beginner games one side should be winning by enough that the endgame is basically just tactics. I'm pretty nooby though, so you might be right.

I found Logical Chess Move by Move really helpful.

But I'm still just some sub-1600 jackass.

>>9253680
Post again, I'll play you anon

>>9253774
I played someone from here a few times.
Ironically the only game I won was in an endgame
https://lichess.org/jVDq6DGE

>>9253680
Good games, anon. You got me at the end.

I always learned the endgame strategy first and then opening strategy.

I did checkmate with various pieces and pawn promotion stuff first.

Then I did the basics of openings (control the centre, develop your pieces, castle ASAP, etc.) before studying actual openings.

After that, it's just practice. I did get a book on the middlegame, though. When I have more time, I'll be able to read it more. So far it seems good.

>>9253786
>Ironically the only game I won was in an endgame

SEE NIGGA I TOLD YOU

>>9253511
I quit before the game reaches end game or if my gambit fails

ggs to the other anon
>>9253806
The point being I lost 3 or 4 games before It because my tactics/openings were worse.
>>9253793
ggs.

You seem like an absolute beginner. I'd start with
Back to Basics: Tactics by Dan Heisman. Remember that until a pretty high level, most games are decided by tactics. This means that you're going to be staring at puzzles most of the time you're trying to improve.

>>9253564
Start with learning attacks like pin and fork and reveal. Then learn how to mate with variou two and three piece combos.

THEN start learning how to read boards. First for point imbalances, then equivalancies, like three pawns and knight vs a rook, then for subtler stuff like space, momentum, and development. Accurately reading a board and being able to identify your advantages and disadvantages, AND form actionable goals and plans based on that info is what will take you from a 1600 to an 1800 or 1900.

Then you need to start learning openings. Don't just memorize them but learn about how to transpose them into your favored lines.

I have no idea how people progress beyond that. I mean 2000 is master level in tournament play I think. You'd probably need to get a coach to compete on that level.

All this mostly comes from Jeremy Silman's books. I've read others but his are the ones I really studied. I've never played in tournaments so take my "internet 1700-1800" advice with a grain of salt. Those books really helped me though

>>9253559
tfw no one to play chess with

>>9253983
Well, you lost the first few games because you made mistakes, I think. I was able to grab extra material because you miscalculated or just didn't see things. That's less to do with studying openings or tactics and more to do with just recognising when you're about to lose a piece.

>>9253626
I like you.

>tfw play chess like it's war
>yfw mate in one and i start picking off your whole dynasty instead
glorious death

>>9254274
there is plenty of online chess

>>9254274
add me on chess.com, reverendgwyon

>>9253511
If you arent good at it? why woul dyou try it

>>9254356
>>9254360
sorry, i have an intense prejudice against playing games of any sort via the internet

Play Go instead.

>>9254368
to get good at it

>>9253757
What are these numbers your all mentioning

>>9255064
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system#FIDE_ratings

Anyone wanna play me? My rating is 1950 in Canada's rating system whatever it's called
https://lichess.org/GKyZWAT8

The order of what to learn: rules > endgame > opening > combination > positional play (endgame > middlegame > opening) > analysis of your chess games

Endgame is actually better to learn first, at least according to the masters.

Didn't realize there were so many other chess players on /lit/

Is chess /lit/?

>>9254368
Chess is a game which no one has innate talent with. Almost all inprovement is due to dedication. Being decent at chess is just as hard as learning a language, but unlike other games it is infinitley more practical.

>>9255127
What board is best to talk about chess? No one's coming to my game :(
https://lichess.org/GKyZWAT8

>playing broess
Chess is a patriarchal boywank.

>>9255131
I just entered your game, and (oddly enough) /tg/ isn't that great for this kind of thing

>>9255127
I play Go.

>>9255132
>broess

>>9255146
This. Should have gone with "choss". And talk about its lack of progression.

>>9255127
Shogi (Japanese chess) is better than chess but good luck with that outside Japan. All the good books on shogi are untranslated as well which is unfortunate.

it's also better than Go >>9255138

>>9255166
looks like shit

>>9255166
shogi is retard Go

>>9253511
Magnus Trainer app

>>9255170
>>9255174
Here's why shogi is better.

http://www.shogi.net/shogi-l/Archive/1999/Nfeb07-06.txt

>>9255131
I fucking suck at chess

>>9255176
I've tried it, it's cool but its not much different than other chess apps besides having magnus's backing. If you go to his YouTube channel he plays it and gets beaten lol

>>9255207
Are you the same guy I was just playing? You played well, you had a lot of potential pressure going in that second game

>>9255214
Yea, thats just a common saying among my friends when we lose terribley. I also saw that in the second game you hadn't really heard.

>>9255223
I always forget to hear. It's my biggest mistake when playing in otb tournaments :/

>>9255225
I thought everybody knew about it but based on the way you play in the second round I suppose you don't.

>>9253626
http://fortune.com/2016/02/10/google-self-driving-cars-artificial-intelligence/

>>9255166
šhōgį is Japanese for "hipster checkers"

>>9255210
>If you go to his YouTube channel he plays it and gets beaten lol

>>9255303
https://youtu.be/awJgZdfZs28
Ya here's the vid, he loses to it at age 10 lol, makes me feel better about being such a patzer

Pick 1

>Fred Reinfeld's "Complete Chess Course"
>Lev Alburt's "Secrets of the Russian Chess Masters" (2 volumes)
>all the "*for Kids" books + "How to Beat Your Dad at Chess" (5 books)

>>9255131
/sci/ and /fit/ have pretty good chess threads. There are some on /r9k/ and /v/ somtimes too. I'd say /sci/ is the best.

>>9255130
>but unlike other games it is infinitley more practical
how so?

>>9255377
Ha!
That's great.
Makes me feel better, too.

>>9255131
/sp/ gets pretty chesstastic during big tournaments

Yesterday I spend two nerve-wracking hours to make this compostion.
Tell me what you think.
It's a mate in 3.

>https://lichess.org/study/Z9IBren8 (for a analysis board)

>>9255176
is that a male or female?

>>9255531
Bishop e1 to pull the queen to a5, then promote the pawn?

>ctrl f
>no Nimzowitsch

What the fuck are you niggers doing?

OP, read My System and Chess Praxis.

>>9255561
That's hou yifan, there's some other sexy female GM's though

>>9255562
That would take more than 3 moves to mate. Keep going!

>>9255531

Be1 with the intention of b4

>>9255578
Not quite. See >>9255562

>>9255568
I would also recommend checking YouTube, kingcrusher has tons of lessons and even covers nimzovitch's My System. For more advanced players, Powerplay with Daniel King is the best chess content you'll find on YouTube. I've been following chess channels for years now and I've gotten pretty decent. Beaten masters online and had a draw against NM Jerry from the channel chessnetwork

>>9255583
Yep, you don't need chess books at all to improve.
Altough I would say John Bartholomew is better for starters than kingscrusher.

If you want to read chess books I can recommend pic related

>>9255531
Nf8?

>>9255588
Very good!
What happens after
>...Qxf8
>...Qa5
>...Qa3+?

>>9255601
>>9255588
and of course
>...Kb4

Anyone else have chessboards?

>>9255604

Yeah but it's packed away. A while back I was stuck between two hobbies that demanded a lot of time. Studying chess, and writing. I chose writing. I still play on my phone for fun but my theory books are on the bookcase and haven't been touched in a long time.

https://lichess.org/itTkBnrg
Anyone wanna play? I'm about 1900 online

How do I memorize the chess coordinates?

>>9255702

You serious?

>>9255702

What do you mean? The actual coordinates are simple. Do you mean becoming fluent in algebraic notation?

Calculus course should do it.

Fite me

https://lichess.org/rLgYuifX

>>9255702

It's very simple once you learn what the symbols mean.

K for king
Q for queen
B for bishop
N for Knight
P for pawn/no symbol needed

Sometimes pictures of the pieces are used instead letters.

X indicates a capture
+ king in check
++ double check
# checkmate
o-o kingside castle
o-o-o queenside castle
1-0 white wins
0-1 black wins
1/2-1/2 draw
! strong move
!! brilliant move
? weak move or mistake
?? blunder or losing move
!? interesting move
?! dubious move

Try to follow a few games without looking at the actual board, but just with the notations. Here's the game so looks like so far in the picture:

e4 e5
Kf3 Kc6
Bc4 d6

>>9253626
It's very difficult to build an ai that can read handwriting, it seems simple to us because we evolved that way

>>9255708
>>9255727
>>9255811
I meant to say how do I follow a game just by reading the notations. I find that reading chess notations take too much brain power, because I have to visualize a board and then try to figure out the position of the pieces.

It's really impressive that Magnus can visualize three or more boards and play blindfolded. I can't even keep up with one board.

>>9255811
>Kf3 Kc6

>>9255837

Fuck it. K is knight now.

>>9255833

Don't follow a game by just reading the notations. Have a chess board in front of you and view it that way. Eventually you'll get accustomed enough that you'll see it in your head.

>>9255531
Pd8=Q
Qxd8+
Bxd8
Kf6 (doesn't really matter)
Be7#

>>9256053
Knight to f6 isn't forced. Black can also play pawn to e2 or King to b4.

>>9256053
I'm guessing you meant Ne6? And it does matter, because the knight in its current spot blocks off Be7.

>>9256100
Nf6 is what you said/meant*

>>9255531
Nf8
Qa5
Nxe6
Kb4
Be1#

>>9256104
What if QxN?

>>9256108
Kc3!

>>9255500
Most people don't realize that planning ahead is a learned skill, often accrewed over years of life and experience. Chess expedites this, it teaches you how to think ahead. Once you become good enough (at prediction) you'll start to notice that others around you, especially younger people, not only aren't, but they simply don't have the ability to. When I was a teenager people would be angry at me all the time for lacking the ability to plan, but now that I can I can't help but take pity on most other people. Its very difficult to be humble about, I'm sorry, but if you want to know what its like just start playing in your free time. Soon enough (1-3 years or so), you'll begin to more fully understand.

>>9256562
I've played competitively for a decade and I have no idea what you're talking about.

>>9256567
I guess maybe one might forget after being used to it for so long, but wasn't there a time before when you wouldn't see possible combinations of future events in real life and act accordingly around them?

>>9256606
when I was a kindergartner sure

>>9256612
>thinks hes cool just cuz hes not retarded

>>9256672
what

>>9255531
Absolutely wonderful puzzle, dude!

And for OP I'd suggest The Life and Games of Mikhail Tal. Super insightful into games from all stages of his career but also just fun to read in general because of the faux interview setup and the details about his life.

>>9256838
Thanks, finally someone who likes it.

I second your book recommendation. Tal really knows how to write.
He graduated in Russian Literature, he's /lit/ af.

>>9253626
>chess is for plebs

Tell me all about the patrician games which you play with your Cheeto-dusted sausage-fingers.

>>9256912

Go is superior to chess.

>>9256888
And have you read Nabokov's Poems and Problems yet? I'd emphatically suggest it to anyone who can come up with good puzzles themselves.

Now that Go has been ended by Google, what's the next frontier for competitive deterministic board games?

In the vein of "start with the Greeks", Fischer would probably recommend this.

>>9256936
Yes, it's on my list, but I'm afraid my english isn't good enough to fully comprehend Nabokovs poetry.

His compositions on the other hand are really nice.
Creating them must've been really exhausting for him, given that he didn't play the game.

>>9256942
Go but with 49x49 board.

>>9256942
3-player and 4-player chess
poker

>tfw too stupid to beat my computer with only 1 second of thinking time per move

>>9257031
in 1 second your computer has probably found a better move than most human players could ever find

>>9255616
Is there a good phone chess program. Something with ranking and smart matching. I guess something similar to words with friends but like gameknot or lichess.

>>9256912
games are for children

I play the "game" of life.

>>9255256
Like I said, they cant drive as good as a 80 IQ taxi driver

>>9257215
>games are for children

>I play the "game" of life.

this is some high-level cringe

>>9255702
https://en.lichess.org/training/coordinate

>>9257215
>games are for children
>I play the "game" of life.