/lit/ - Literature

I've heard mixed things on the Foundation series.
Should I fall for the meme and read them?

>>9085855
I read the first book and it was pretty enjoyable. Its a series of inter-related but kinda self-contained stories about building a nation IN SPACE. Its kind of like if you played a game of Civ and had a story written about the people and culture of your civilization every 50 turns.

Also Asimov's prose is pretty comfy

Does Tau zero get better?

Not all that into who is cucking or fucking who.

>>9086256

Thank you for making me reinstall Civ, asshole.

>>9085855
Foundation is Gundam 00 except better.

You guys like Olaf Stapledon?

First for the most despised chart maker in sffg.

After completing all the Discworld books I have this big void in my life.
I miss Terry.

>>9086603
Last and First Men was pretty good after I got past the near-future part, which struck me as a bit silly. The quality of the writing was noticeably better than the typical SF of the era too.

>>9086608
>most despised
How dare you! I'm hated more! :^)

did it bother anyone that in almost every paragraph in this book there are italicized words and phrases ? What the fuck is Watts' problem ?not like the prose and the books content are even remotely complex to require this "stressing" effect.

>>9086759
yup, this one is worse

execute all chartfags

>>9085855
Foundation is really more about the very good plot and themes then about characters. Asimov writes in a very straightforward, scientific way.

Men are dumb

>>9086989
Don't let Kevin get you down honey.

>>9086907
Someone should merge all the charts into an eldritch abomination to shut them up.

For Mieville do I start with The City & The City or Perdido Street Station?

>>9087200

I only read PSS but it was a clusterfuck. So many ideas and things and so little coherence, it was like watching a glass overflow.

I still liked it.

>>9087200
The City & The City or Embassytown would be fine. I'm not the biggest fan of Perdido Street Station but I do recommend that you read The Scar, it's pretty gud.

Shaeönanra literally did nothing wrong.

Reminder that Sanderson is shit.

I think i posted in the old thread by mistake so ill just ask here. Anyone read The 100 books? are they good for YA shit

What's some really heartbreaking story?

>>9087921
My diary desü

Uhh, I don't know. Prince of Nothing is a downer, might qualify.

Hero vs Heroine

Go.

>>9087921
Gray Moon over China.

>>9087661

If by nothing you mean everything then you'd be correct

>>9088229
?????????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgOnp4z6AHA

What Are we Reading Sffg?

Getting the Last two Bakkers before unholy consult.

>spend two thousand years failing to notice there is strong AI in your ansible network
>finally find another sentient race, try not to mess it up by sending a bunch of Brazilians to their planet and telling them not to anthropologist too hard
>react to a tiny colony going rogue by sending an Exterminatus fleet
>lose it to aforementioned AI
>get it back only because said AI is lonely and suicidal
>lose again to a teleporting incarnate tulpa and his underage Chinese girlfriend
Why is Starways Congress so incompetent?

>>9086700
Have you read the Last Hero?
Usually overlooked because it's a special one, and it really wraps up the entire first half of Discworld in a very satisfying way.
Best one to end with, Pratchett at his top form.

>>9088287
BotNS 5, just started.

I want to read something fun that doesn't have shit writing. Recommendations?

>obessed with an idea for over a year
>started writing it six months ago
>poured more passion and drive into than any story I've ever written before
>showed it to my parents
>they hated it
>took their input and built on it, re-writing the beginning four times to get it right
>finally build up the courage to show them again
>they still hate it

I don't know what to do anymore /sffg/ I don't know if I can keep writing if this my own parents tell me it's shit

>>9088404
Pratchett
Norrell&Strange
Earthsea

>>9088441
It's possible your parents just have shit taste. What do they usually read?

I'm done. It was really lazy work.

Anyways Rate, Hate, Debate.

>>9088443

Please stop recommending books to unknowing people

>>9088528
The only thing I know my mom reads is murakami. I don't think my dad reads anything for fun

>>9088441
You posted this already

>>9088537
Your other one was better

>>9088564
I know I did but i'm genuinely at a loss. I really care about this story, I'm proud of the intricate plot and my own progress. I genuinely love it but if my own parents, who have always been really supportive, wont even pretend to like it then am I wasting my efforts without the slightest chance in hell of getting published and enjoyed? Even worse, is practicing on something I know is shit making me worse of a writer?

>>9088537
I don't know what your fixation on chasing out authors is from.
>there's already a crit thread
That's outer /lit/. SF and fantasy have had their own ghetto longer than the Internet's been around.
>this is for discussion of books, not discussion of writing
SFF discussion has gone together with aspiring authors for, again, longer than the Internet's been around. This is a tradition that started in the backs of magazines before Hitler invaded France. This was going on when Ray Bradbury was a tiny 18-year-old hanging around Leigh Brackett and Ed Hamilton with his crappy manuscripts as the eternal unpublished. It's not an invasion. This is what SFF is.

>>9088614
Maybe we wouldn't care so much if the author posts were SFF in nature. Sure, your stupid book might be SFF, but we can't tell from the posts here. It's all whinging and generic writing questions.

We aren't interested in generic writing.

We are are here for SFF.

>we
>we
>we
Yes I know.

>>9088651
>implying that distinction has mattered even once to Word-art-kun and the no-fun brigade
Now the anon whose parents hate his book is obviously just fishing for sympathy, but we should scorn him on that account, not for trying to write at all.

>>9086907
>he wants me to trigger him

>>9087073
>Don't let Kevin get you down honey.
Is this a spicy new meme?

>>9088573
Like I said it was lazy work. Finding the perfect base photo was hard.
I needed a mother shielding a child, and someone doing home invasion. Those were the best pics google could offer on the subject.

>>9088602
Gotta get reader diversity Anon. Test a lot of people with different tastes. As the other anon said your folks might just have shitty taste in books.

>>9088902
The recurring theme I see is people say it's well written but they don't like it anyway. My parents said they didn't care about the plot, anons on /crit/ said they were too jaded to enjoy it, and some people on /co/'s /sug/ said it was good but the opening I had to re-write a bunch of times was too boring (I was re-writing it becuase it moved too fast initially)

>>9088659
You are so new I can see the reddit jet fumes coming off your posts.

We used to help out authorfags, but they took it too far. And for the most part kept repeating the SAME SHIT we just helped them with. Not even with the additions added.

Also they were taking over the general. It was more about their book that might not be published, and less about published books that we read.

Why do authors listen and change their future books based on what the current 0.1% of the reader base suggests and thinks?

>>9088926
Have you ever considered that individuals who talk about the books they're working on may not be a monolithic group, intent on hijacking the general? And that generals often have de facto themes that rise and fall organically? Or even that some of us might talk about books we're reading and books we're writing in the same thread?

>>9088926
>tries to take over the general with wordart memes
>it's everyone else's fault
>everyone that doesn't agree with me is new and from reddit
I miss the Gaia boogyman.

>>9088978
>Have you ever considered that individuals who talk about the books they're working on may not be a monolithic group, intent on hijacking the general? And that generals often have de facto themes that rise and fall organically? Or even that some of us might talk about books we're reading and books we're writing in the same thread?
Have you ever considered that individuals who talk about the books they're working on attract other individuals who want the same thus forming a group that hijacks the general? And that generals often have themes that are listed in the OP? Or even that some of us might want to talk about books we're reading in this thread?

>>9089056
Then do it. Just do it. Hide posts from authors, hide posts from littlegirl and womeme, and just post your books. And if there are three posts visible in the thread so be it, you're not missing it, because this website is free.

Seriously, do you even read? Or do you just camp here all day waiting for someone to make a party foul?

t. just finished a reread of OSC quadrology and ready to go back to Wellman-anon

>>9089077
>because this website is free.
The website may be free, but your freedums ain't.

We shilled this thread until it was self sustaining so we could talk about sff books we read. Not for you to post books that only you read (in your head) and we might never read.

Shill your own general. Fucking jihad thread hijackers.

>>9088946
Because they feel the most vocal part of their fanbase is the majority. They want to sell more books.
Kim Harrison fucked herself over because of this. People not buying her books now.

Why is PKD so enthralling? Everything he writes is readable!

>>9089139
>we

>>9089077
>hide posts from littlegirl and womeme
What do random shitposters have to do with this? I just ignore them.
>Seriously, do you even read? Or do you just camp here all day waiting for someone to make a party foul?
Shit, you got me... I need to get a real life.
No, I've only complained about this particular outrage (and yes, engaged in some therapeutic sarcasm).
Have a nice day :3

>>9089155
I read Time Out of Joint years ago and hated it. Just finished one of his shorts and thinking I should give him another chance.

>>9088986
>he doesn't know I was making memes for this general from the beginning
>so new he tries to prove he is old by using the gaia meme
>wordart memes
>on a fucking literature board
>have a fucking problem with our chosen medium
>still denies he's comes from reddit for our memes

What book you recently read anon?

>>9089170
I loved Time Out of Joint. You must have bad tastes.

>>9089139
>Fucking jihad thread hijackers.
Hmm. I could see a macro coming out of this.
Thanks.

post your favorite fan art from your favorite sffg book. Let's see whether you're patrician or pleb.

>>9089159
Plural is we anon. Anything more than it's self is a group and believe it or not, more than one person wants your aspiring ass to get.

>>9089186
Oh look it's the tastes police.

>>9089181
>he doesn't know I was making memes for this general from the beginning
You absolutely weren't.

>>9089201
>more than one person wants your aspiring ass to get.
Likewise. I don't even post about writing advice. I can take people discussing things I don't like. I am willing to burn the thread down to keep people like you out.

>>9089186
>You must have bad tastes.
I've learned to live with it.

>>9089216
Do you know how pleb you were going, anon?

>>9085851
What is it about xianxia's that make them so damn interesting?

I recently discovered this genre from an anon and I've been reading whatever I can get my hands on.

Just finished Coiling Dragon and Stellar Transformations. I liked Coiling Dragon a bit more.

I started I Shall Seal the Heavens which I feel is way better than Coiling Dragon and Stellar Transformations.

I wonder if this is just a phase.

>>9089221
>You absolutely weren't.
I made the gri meme

> I am willing to burn the thread down to keep people like you out
Enjoy your ban, you just admitted you have no intention of discussing shit and your only here to disrupt shit.

>>9089238
About penis to vagina in a "tfw kissless virgin" lane?

Any fantasy books where the manlet,not the Chad protagonist, who wins the girl at the end?

>>9089372
C'mon senpai. Fantasy has to be somewhat grounded in reality.

>>9089372
Plenty . But it's usually him taking left overs. The girl "finally" realises that manlet loves her for who she is, and chad just wanted to use her.

Done change the fact that she got deep dicked by chad and went back for multiple seconds.

WHY DID YOU REMIND ME
REMOVE ALL CHADS

>tfw 6'1 and decently looking, but socially retarded
kill me, familam. it aint all milk and cookies being a lanklet chad

>>9089376
Where did you get those correlations from?

>>9089405
dont remember. probably /cuckpol/, /nupol/, /leftypol/, or /liberty/

Started reading The Sword of Truth series yesterday.
It's been pretty bad from the start, but not bad enough to make me put the book down until I reached the Mord Sith part.
It's just too boring, I can't take it anymore.

The way I see it, there are two types of shitty writers.
One, the author isn't a good enough writer to communicate his story effectively - and as the series goes on, he improves and so the story improves.
Two, the author is just bad at writing stories, and no amount of practice will change that.

So I'm wondering which one of those this is.
Is it worth wading through this unreadable garbage for some eventual payoff, or am I just wasting my time?

I just want another long series like Wheel or Malazan where the characters aren't blatantly retarded. Is that too much to ask?

>>9089402
>tfw 5'6" and decently looking but still 5'6"
at least theres hope for you

>>9089291
>Enjoy your ban
It must really chafe submitting your janitor application over and over and not getting it.

>>9089154
What happened with her?

>>9089469
I read one and a half of those. Maybe eventually the story becomes worthwhile but after one and a half it struck me how shallow the books were and I stopped. The payoff of the first book had definitely not been worth the trouble, is how I felt.

/sffg/, how can I make a series of eldritch location subway tunnels that partially overlap with different universes and are inhabited by sentient rats visually interesting?

I was thinking of taking inspiration from the lowline park, steam tunnels, Lost World and that one art installation on the (R) line that you can only see brief flashes of through the windows near where manhattan and brooklyn meet (does anyone know the name of that?), But that just isn't enough for me. It want it to be something different.

Maybe I can do something with the statues in the 14th street station? Or maybe a video game dungeon

>>9089536
On 4chins since 2007. Never submitted a janitor application.

>>9089621
Read metro 2033. Then come back to us.

>>9089614
She followed a tumblresque vocal minority of her fanbase that was obsessed with maritime activities. Rewrote how the story was going to end to match their wishes.

Story went to shit, only the boat lovers were happy, and a lot of people dropped her after that, myself included. She done fucked up. I used to shill her books to everyone, now I'm shamed.

This proves my point. Female authors create great stories and world until their vaginas start to itch. Then it's chaos and confusion.

>tfw dinos extinct
>tfw reviewfags expelled
>tfw swimming in sea of filth and Kevin
4chan I guess

>She only did a few spells
>Nothing said about her practicing anything
>Suddenly she's as powerful as Esra if not more

hehhehehe
captcha: toilets grill

>>9085855
Yes. If you like history then you'll probably like Foundation. It was written like a multi-volume history book.

>>9089621
Dripping water, abandoned spurs/train cars, rusted maintenance catwalks, ladders to somewhere, bricked up dead ends, foul moss/mildew.

>>9087921
I wouldn't call it "heartbreaking" exactly but it might be the only science fiction book I've read where I found myself caring more about the characters than the story and concepts. And imo it's Clarke's best work.

>>9089732
I want it to be fantastic, not dilapidated

>>9089748
Transparent underwater tunnels, bridged over chasms, double decker tunnels, corkscrews, localized gravity changes, hidden ratman shrines, piles of ratman debris, ratman corpses, cave paintings depicting mutant ratmen, lair of the ratmen, ratman tunnels.

>>9089469
The books get worse as you go on. You have the protag Richard Rahl who gets shiton for most of every book, but then discovers a new power that allows him to do whatever he needed to do. The further you go, the more you get to see the evils of socialism brutally forced into the plot, for no reason other than Goodkind is a proponent of Ayn Rand.

Does anybody know of any good cosmic, metaphysics-related stories? I want to just to trip out for a few hours.

Any love for David Brin here?

>>9088614
Start a new thread then.

>>9088402

>BotNS 5

Urth of the New Sun?

>>9089615
>>9089785

Well alright then. These recommendation lists have been no help to me.
I doubt anyone is going to read through this, but I need another series to start that isn't one of these

I liked:

Wheel of Time
Dark Tower
Malazan
Discworld
Dresden Files
The Expanse
Hyperion Cantos
His Dark Materials
Bartimaeus Trilogy
Earthsea
Altered Carbon
Harry Potter (yeah, yeah)

Sort of liked, in some kind of order of most to least enjoyed:

Black Company (just didn't like the constant changes in narrator)
Gentleman Bastard
Inheritance
Kingkiller
American Gods (not really a fan of Gaiman though)
Stormlight Archive (Loved the first book, hated the second)
Mistborn (same issue - I like his worldbuilding, but not the anime fanfiction powerlevel shit)
A Land Fit for Heroes (pretty boring, but not unreadable)
Codex Alera
Perdido Street Station (liked the worldbuilding, but the conflict and climaxes were too boring)

Disliked:

The First Law
The Sword of Truth
Thomas Convenant
Prince of Nothing
Foundation (not bad, just don't like jumping through timelines)
Live Ship Traders
MYTH (just couldnt get into it)
Shadows of the Apt (just seemed retarded, dropped it after a few chapters)

>>9089907

Forgot that I also didn't like:

Gormenghast
Book of the New Sun (or anything I've tried by Gene Wolfe)
Neverwhere (just awful)

>>9089677
>tfw dinos extinct
Good. We need more fossil fuels

>tfw reviewfags expelled
Tripfags needs to be exterminated

>tfw swimming in sea of filth and Kevin
The filth is bakker, but who is kevin?

given the novelizations and multiple hugo awards is Girl Genius considered /lit/-quality sff?

>>9089991
>The filth is bakker, but who is kevin?
maybe anon's from germany?

>>9089907
... Are you a opposed to GRI?
Try Black Jewels Trilogy if not.

If you liked Dresden Files , try iron druid chronicles, Felix Castor, Alex something (it's the British equivalent of Dresden)

Try The wind up girl(biopunk), Shades of grey, metro 2033.

>>9090011

I don't know what GRI is, but the plot sounds pretty lame. Might give it a try anyway.

Iron Druid sounds alright.

Sounds like Wind Up Girl has awful character development, which is my one dealbreaker.
Dystopian fiction really isn't my bag either.

>>9090035

>GRI

Taking a guess, since I'm new to this general, but Gay Rape Incest.

>>9090035
GRI novels are books that make you want to touch yourself, or books that give you an involuntary "twitch" down there.

>>9089907
a song of ice and fire should keep you busy for a while

also, does the dark tower books get better after the second? im assuming yes since you liked it but still the first two were super dissapointing.

>>9089861
Yes.

>>9089907
Try Shadowmarch by Tad Williams. It's not a huge series, but Williams writes a lot of different series. I consider Shadowmarch is best work.

Also there's always GRRM's books if you want to be on the hook waiting for him to (never) finish when you eventually catch up.

>>9090326
yeah, GRRM fucked up by not finishing his books in time and instead decided to fuck around doing who knows what. at least he's told people the general direction he wants the books going.

Is there a better novel?

>>9089907
Read Fevre Dreams from GRRM.

It's finished, and it's great.

I loved the first book and half of the second of Malazan, but as I keep reading it feels like the writing and the plot dropped the ball. I'm reading the third book right now and I'm finding Paran & Silverfox' dilemma and the council between Brood and Onearm pretty boring. Feels like forced infodump. Does it ever get as good as it was earlier? Or was it just the novelty of the setting that made me like it at first?

>Elves are invading
>No horn
>Arista is still weak as shit
inb4 some shitty deus ex machina to save the world

How good is Terry Pratchett?

Is this list any good?
http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/48038.Parodies_in_Fantasy_and_Science_Fiction

>>9091121
Pratchett is good, Princess Bride is good

don't read Scalzi

>>9091101
It's pretty good.

>>9090402
>at least he's told people the general direction he wants the books going.
He's gone on record saying nobody will finish the series but him. If he dies, it dies with him. He's probably written it into his will.

>>9090882
I read book 3 for Gruntle and the Grey Swords, they made it worth it. Silverfox and the rest of the alliance were kinda dull, and honestly I felt like skimming Silverfox chapters because she's being deliberately cagey about everything and I know eventually her shit is going to get explained so it was hard to put up with her refusing to explain herself to anybody in the meantime.

But Silverfox doesn't show up after book 3, and neither do most of the characters in the alliance except for brief moments at a time.

Also I'd say book 4 is worth it because of two words: Karsa Orlong.

>>9090942
You think you would half heartedly shill Riyria after this? I know I wouldn't fervently shill it, but I would half ass shill it to people that want a fun quick read about bros doing bro things.Like I did with you

>>9086859
What's wrong with it? (Not arguing, but I've heard universally good things about Malazan, Diaspora, and the three body problem)

>>9091201
>don't read Scalzi
Locked in was great Your pol sensibilities are prob going overload because blacks were in the book, and in a positive light. Instead of the "only blacks steal, and if only whites were around there would be no crime" meme you like to force in your containment echo chamber

>>9091540
Lmao calm down lil boy

>>9091534
Apparently that chartfag just put books on his chart without reading the books.
Was some good drama a few threads ago. I was highly entertained.

tl;dr It's the "alleged" equivalent of a car salesman selling you a car he never drove. He just wants you to buy without even confirming if your concerns are founded in truth or fear.

>>9091534
Nothing, just some people who make charts being mad at others who also make them.

>>9091549
What's your beef with Scalzi? I never read his red war or w/e books and will not doubt anyone on those, but I can vouch for Locked in being great. It's like the novelization of that Bruce Willis movie where people swap bodies.

I recommend you read the book if you like scifi concepts dealing with the human body and modifying it.

>>9091560
I see nothing wrong with having a shared chart of books that the /lit/erate consensus says are good.

>>9091526

Why the fuck are they SO FUCKING BLIND TO TO ROYCE BEING THE HEIR
>could talk to the grilawagryn
>elven like emperor
>HURRRRRRRRRR that fat fuck must be heir because amulet

Any good fantasy with a little girl protagonist?

>>9091641
lolita

>>9091299
That's what fanfiction is for.

Are there any urban fantasies WITHOUT a "magic government/secret organization"?

I love urban fantasy, but I hate "magical laws" way to take all the magic out of your magic fantasy world, asshole.

Welp 20 hours of non stop reading and I'm finally done with the book

>>9091587
Meh. Me neither, although I personally shill what I read so I can better argue- I mean defend my opinions.

That particular chartfag rubbed someone the wrong way and the offended person got triggered and had paragraphs and paragraphs of arguments as to why he is shit.

>>9091201
So I guess I should really read discworld.

>>9091790
>way to take all the magic out of your magic fantasy world
>magic must only be mysterious and incomprehensible
>anything that is not a mystery is not magic
>even if the person who we are following is the magic user, thus we would understand magic how he understands it

You smell of dnds. I think your problem is that you are following first person, magic using protagonist in an urban fantasy setting, and expecting the person who is using the magic to be as confused as what to do as the mundanes.
Neck yourself.

>>9088287
sinking my teeth in a bit of Abercrombie, so far so good

>>9091939
>even if the person who we are following is the magic user, thus we would understand magic how he understands it
great reading comprehension there, champ. By magical law I meant a "magical body of government" like in Dresden Files. Not a laws of magic use. Eat a gun.

I don't know what to read next

For the love of God, someone dump the PKD/Man in the High Castle bookcover memes.

>>9091939
It doesn't HAVE to be, but I prefer my magic "mysterious and inaccesible". Jonathan Strange walking through the mirrors to Faerie is better, to me, than a hundred chapters of Kvothe explaining exactly how much energy his sympathy magic needs to transfer to burn someone.

>>9091981

What is the Space Battleship Yamato of science fiction?

>>9092001

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>>9091694
He's also gone on record saying he despises fan fiction and won't be permissive about it like other authors are.

>>9092024
Well good luck to him once he's dead.

>>9092021

>>9092039
Apparently you're unfamiliar with estate lawyers. If anything, GRRM being dead will only worsen things cause right now his lawyers are on a leash and he has final say. But without him they'll be free to issue C&D to anyone and everyone because that's what lawyers do.

>>9092041

>>9092044
Even if his estate wanted to pay the huge legal fees that would take, it wouldn't do anything - people would just switch a few names to "Tyriun" and "Dianerys" and carry on as they were.

>>9092052

>>9092044
>22672 Works in A Song of Ice and Fire & Related Fandoms

Good luck to them

>>9091997
Rothfuss is shit at magic. He didn't even take his sympathy magic anywhere. He just cobbled together a bunch of ideas and published them.

>>9091964
You and I both know what you meant Mr Faggot. "No magical laws" means the author can pull shit out his ass when he is put in a corner. I now know you are a deus ex machina loving cunt. You probably love those old books when you spend 300 pages reading, and this guy summons an army out of no where and the battle is won.

When Sanderson started his shit other authors gave him shit, they said "if you do that you won't be able to write yourself out of a deadend". Magical laws makes the author more creative. They can't just wave their hands and the problem is solved, the end. They have to work for it.

Please spine-plant yourself to the bumper of an extremely fast car on the freeway.

>>9092135
>i can't read for shit, so i'm going to be a little cunt
I wrote what I meant, you stupid fuckwit. Don't misread what I wrote then get a bug up your ass when I call you out on it. I don't give a shit why or how magic is used or explained. I hope you fucking die.

>>9092135
That's not how books or writing works.

>>9092135
>I now know you are a deus ex machina loving cunt.

Well, I don't agree with the recent policy of Square Enix regarding DLCs, but all in all I enjoyed Manking Divided just the same.

What is that image in the OP? I see it all the time

>>9092216
>hurr how do I read file names

>>9092216
michael whelan_isaac asimov_second foundation.jpg

>>9092222

Filename?

>>9089999
>given the novelizations and multiple hugo awards is Girl Genius considered /lit/-quality sff?
The comic was bretty gud back when I read it.
>maybe anon's from germany?
Kevin isn't real

>>9089999
>>9092382
Kevin is chart anon.

https://www.goodreads.com/user/show/16893254-kevin

>>9092435
Only children believe in Kevin honey. It's time to grow up :3

>>9092077
I've read this and it was bad. Fun concept though.

>>9092145
You are one of those tsundere aren't you? You actually want me to dick you down right?

>>9092435
There are 3 chart anons. Which one?

>>9092524
The loudest one.

Also known as GRI anon. Or Macroimages-anon. Or antidino-anon.

Can we have some SFFG book shelf porn?

Just look at these beauties. my own is an unsightly mix of these and the garish yellow editions[/spoiler}

>>9092274
fuck off phone poster

>>9092001
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>>9092060
KEK

>>9092118
You'd have to be literally retarded to try and sue 22,600 people.

>>9091321
>Silverfox doesn't show up after book 3
Thank you baby jesus

>>9092435
Don't forget Vince from Canada

http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/64226861-vince

>>9092812
I know I can't convince you of my vincelessness, but whatever.

>>9092694
The fbi (under the orders of their Hollywood overlords) does it all the time for "copyright" infringement.

>>9092530
How did you find me out anon? That's some grade a sleuthing skills there.
Hi Janitor / mod, you just gave yourself away

>>9092633
Still working on shelves, but I bought 2 boxes full today for $16.

>>9092846
>Lazarus effect
Isn't that a shitty b grade movie?

Also are you bookshelf in a container anon?

>>9092906
>Also are you bookshelf in a container anon?
Yeah

>>9092846
>the right to arm bears
I love awesome covers of shitty B-tier sff you find at thrifts stores.

>tfw I missed my local thrift store's 2 for the price of 1 book sale this month

>>9092907
How the insulation and shelves coming along?

Also you porked any grils in your container surrounded by approving titles yet?

>>9092910
>pol is the only place that uses pepe
>figure 12
>there are 11 pics before this, and maybe more after
What is this from?

Anyone read Genocidal Organ and Harmony? How are they?

>>9092929
Think it's that UN study on 4chan from last year; I grabbed this one in a Ziz thread

>>9092910
>I love awesome covers of shitty B-tier sff you find at thrifts stores.
Indeed
>>tfw I missed my local thrift store's 2 for the price of 1 book sale this month
I brought a pile to the front counter, and they asked if I wanted to root though stuff that hadn't been put out yet. Eheheh.
>>9092916
>How the insulation and shelves coming along?
Got the interior door hung. Fits nice and snug. Did more electrical. Bought a used A/C unit and have it mostly installed. Started volunteering for a bookstore, which cuts down on my work time (and gives me more excuses...)
>Also you porked any grils in your container surrounded by approving titles yet?
The itching from all the exposed and piled up insulation would be, exciting?

>>9092946
The un did a study on us....
>they explained the meme
The whole reason of a meme is that you have to find out yourself. I had to figure out the "t." Meme myself.

>>9092946
>Think it's that UN study on 4chan from last year
Would be funny if some high ranking UN official got told to fuck off.

>>9092946
Now that I look at this, it's kind of interesting just how many things you'd have to explain to someone for this picture to make any sense.

>>9092718
She's kind of a downer but gets totally BTFO by the end of Memories of Ice

>>9093214
When you spend a lot of time in this place you lose perspective on what is normal and forget how incomprehensible most of this site is to the general public.

>>9092946
>UN study on 4chan from last year
wut

daily reminder that if you don't watch anton petrov for science fiction then you are biggest of fagget

t. slav

>>9093304
>tripfag
>the audacity to call others faggot

>>9093317
<le not realizing my layers of ironee

it is revealed who the TRUE faggon is...............................................

>>9093182
>>9093211
>>9093214
>>9093247
Here's the PDF. Highlights include a "longitudinal study" of the time /pol/ tried to troll Google by using their brand names as slurs.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1610.03452v1.pdf

>>9093322
WOAH NICE DUBS BROTHERRRRR.............................................................................

>>9092837
dahell is going on here?

>>9093381
>>9093381
le janittor/mod is unable to find out the reply was actually le me the sAME TIME!!!!!!


KEKEKEKKEEK! YOU ARE SUCH BABYY.............................................

>>9093370
I read that whole thing and didn't see the Zizek image.

>>9092837
>>9092530
What's going on?

>reading my lore I designed for a series of novels I want to make happen
>realize I basically just took the Dark Sun setting and put in victorian europe

Should I kill myself?

>>9093653
>reading my characters I designed for a series of novels I want to make happen
>realize I basically just took the Homestuck characters and put them in prohibition new york

I know that feel

>>9093691

That sounds fucking retarded, considering the Homestuck characters are neckbeards who computer all day.

>>9093700
most of them are pretty easy to adapt to the modern era. I got Dave, Karkat and Jade working well, but I admit it's not easy to include adapt Nepeta in a world without furries, shipping or anime cat girls

>>9093486
>>9093539
Lock your doors, lock your windows. There is a monitor in sffg.
So hide your ip, hide your cookies and hide your java cause they monitoring everybody up in here.

>>9093750

>>9085855
Its a shitty version of the Dune series.

So I just got to the city, and am I supposed to have no real idea how to envision it? All the repurposed words are making me struggle with really "seeing" it.

Jani-kun. Now you are just playing games with me.

I was bothered by the whole women should stay at home and be housewives bs & the protag having to fight against it
I wanted to read about dragons from a pseudo-science perspective

Lovely thread. Bump

>>9092118
As much as I love gurrm, I still think it's stupid to dismiss something like fanfiction

are the tales of dunk and egg better than the asoiaf books?

>>9093840
Which city? Thrax? Just imagine the inside of a beehive, except turned inside out, and spread across the surface of a mountain.

>>9094210
no. i found them kind of...boring i guess.

>>9093935
>the whole women should stay at home and be housewives
So is the entire book a memoir of the protag literally staying in the kitchen or something?

Sounds boring senpai

>>9094323
so just like the asoiaf books.

Dunno how you folks here feel about those kinds of books, or if any of you actually read them in the first place, but do you know any decent vampire-themed books?

For whatever it's worth, I'm not looking for Anne Rice kind of stuff. Think more... Anno Dracula or Vampire the Masquerade P&P game.

>>9094349
I don't read any of the books you've described but these are three solid vampire books.

>Firefall duology (Blinsight/Echopraxia)
Blindsight: Psychological hard scifi set in space featuring contact with an alien lifeform. One of the main characters is a vampire. Watts' descriptions are jargon heavy (for example he overuses the ATP explanation quite a bit. )

>Coldfire Trilogy
High/Gothic fantasy set on Erna featuring a magic system where mages use fae (nature magic) to power their workings (increased by sacrifice). It has very interesting worldbuilding as the author has a bit of a science background which lends a bit of science fantasy to the book (Erna's ecology responds to fears) which merges wonderfully with the Church/belief system in the novel.

One of the MCs is a vampire of sorts (exact reasons strays into spoiler territory.) Highly recommended.

>Fevre Dream
The setting is less inventive than other two books above but it's set in the 1850s slave plantations along the Mississippi River. One of the MCs is a steamboat captain who has been in some dire financial straits of late and wishes to dig himself out. Alternate America. Historical.

>>9094414

Never heard of them, but I'll give those a look anyway. Thanks.

>>9094426
Blindsight has been recommended quite frequently on /sffg/, Coldfire Trilogy I dug out of the Selected chart in the OP and Fevre Dream is by GRRM. Suffice to say, I hated GRRM's works based on ASOIAF primarily due to the random POV switching and plot wandering but Fevre Dream is self contained and not as weak.

Out of the three Fevre Dream is the most 'traditional' vampire story. The other two feature vampires entirely reimagined by their respective authors.

Thrawn Trilogy - seems to be Star Wars written by a more capable author. Zahn seems to do a little more than muh white and black morality and it's a bit more scifi orientated than the movie franchise and the direct novelisations of the movies.

Zahn facilitates a more compelling worldbuilding and political atmosphere than the movies. The Noghri alien race, for example, come from a planet afflicted by acid rain which is a spillover of the Empire/Rebel fighting and consequently their agricultural output is crippled and the Empire exercises social control by providing them assistance in repairing their planetary output in exchange for members of their race as assassins. We also catch interesting glimpses into economic control (Imperial 'scrips') and notions of Jedi justice beyond just waving a sword that can cut through anything of the enemy you are about to slice through.

The characters are also fairly likeable.

Prose is a bit bare like Sanderson's (also there are quite a number of plot twists thrown in for good effect) but dialogue and action flows more naturally.

>>9094434
Fevre Dream is Martin's best work.

>>9094481
It's pretty good.

>>9092846
>bought 2 boxes full today for $16.
hey fuck you buddy

What's /lit/'s opinion on The Worm Ouroboros? Does it bridge the gap between genreshit and literature?

It's not the deepest book I've ever read, but the aesthetics of the prose and the brazen, uncritical celebration of violence and martiality had my dick rock-hard through the whole book.

It had my favorite ending of any sci-fi/fantasy book ever.

PIc unrelated, it was on my computer and I don't know why or what it's supposed to be.

>>9094481
I found Tuf Voyaging hilarious and my favourite grrrrm book

What is /sffg/'s opinion of overlord?

>>9094522
that naked wrestling match was pretty exciting

>>9094349
>>9094426
>Fevre Dream
>Salem's Lot
>The Strain by Del toro
There is also a plethora of urban fantasies. Read those three recommended though.

>>9094466
>>>/b/asement
>>>/tv/
>>>/v/
Do we look like we read star wars fanfiction here?

I just finished Rogue Moon after seeing it recommended in a Gene Wolfe interview and enjoyed it very much. Considering how cool the sci-fi premise was I was surprised at how personal a story it turned out to be.

I cannot get into Sanderson. I tried starting the Stormlight Archives and while it had a nice start, it just kind of fell apart. Especially the characters. I barely made it half way into the second book and by then Shallan became unbearable.

I've put it down for now, but I might try again later when there are more books.

Anyone ever read Stefan Grabinski, also called "The Polish Poe"

I started reading his short story collection "The Motion Demon" and it is pretty great. He writes about people obsessed with technology to a terrifying extent. The first story in this short story collection "Engineer Grot" tells of a man trying to escape his past by going ever faster as a Train engineer.

His stuff is on Lib Gen

>>9095062
>expecting a Mormon to portray interesting characters

>>9094942
Neo /sffg/ discusses Star Wars twice a thread minimum, Warhammer 9k once every three threads, /lit/ references in video games once every three to five threads and considers Red Rising to be good literature so there's definitely a place for Star Wars here.

It's not like Star Wars is that one /sffg/ thread that was three hundred argumentative posts on the subject of uncircumcised penises.

I want a long series to keep me busy for a while and I'm thinking of picking up this but didn't the author die and the last book was written by someone else?
Was it still acceptable? I don't want to read a bunch of books only to get a shit end.

>>9095129
>didn't the author die and the last book was written by someone else?

Yes, after Jordan passed it was finished by Sanderson who is a hack. And it shows.

Although I guess Star Wars blatantly plagiarised Trantor.

Currently reading Lord of the Rings for the first time, and having the time of my life.

>Only 4 books read
>need 20 books for recommendations on goodreads.

>>9095177
GR recs are bad, don't hold your breath.

>>9095164
Bombadil a literal fanfiction shit, though. I remember when I was twelve and the only reason I continued reading was because of the Barrow-wights. I also recall being disappointed that The Hobbit wasn't dark and edgy so perhaps my judgement was more than slightly compromised.

>>9095177
Don't worry anon the numbers build quickly. Apparently I did 120 last year. Which means that I've exhausted a good proportion of the best reading candidates and only Star Wars is left.

>>9095182
Goodreads recs are probably steamrolled by the need for Amazon sales, every single one is tasteless shit.

>>9095074
Sounds interesting! I've never read that one.

I have The Glass Bees on my reading list since I heard there are severed ears in a pond

The only scifi classic I actively hated was 'I am Legend'. Other than the decent ending the middle section was littered with primary school science.

>>9095120
>he thinks star wars is on red rising's level
Leave now before my /gold/ brothers hang you up on a circumfix.

>>9095062
>dat pic
Anyone seen cosmerefag lately? I haven't seen him complaining about Blindsight or Sanderson's YA books for a while.
he dead?

>>9095129
>I want a long series to keep me busy for a while
Malazan book of the fallen
Black Company by Glen Cook
See you in August.

>>9095177
try>>9086608 ????

Is Discworld good for people who have barely read fantasy at all?

>>9095423
Yes, but you should read a volume of Robert Howard's Conan stories as well. They are simply entertaining tales, and have some of the cliches that Pratchett bounces off in his early Discworld books. And in any case, Robert Howard is one of the cornerstones of fantasy, and more digestible than Tolkein or Dunsany.

>>9092846
Show off your DAWs to us. Or do you have any nice looking Ballantine Adult Fantasy volumes (Lin Carter?) I guess you don't have any very old pulp stuff (Astounding Science Fiction etc) because that would be falling apart.

>>9095423
Why are the reddits trying to force Pratchett's on us? Are you trying to make sffg an echo chamber like /r/fantasy?

>decide to read Martin the Warrior
This is way too simplistic.

Is Gor series any good?

>>9095499
>reading kiddie books
>not even ya, but kiddie
You got what was coming to you.

>>9095475
I have barely read anything.

Guilty Pleasures
First 2 Malazan books
Iron Dragon's Daughter. (planning to read more of him)
Dorian Gray

Discworld may have been a nice way to get further into fantasy I thought, so I asked.

>>9095474
>you should read a volume of Robert Howard's Conan stories as well
I'll do.

>>9095505
Was it this thread or the one that was deleted that had the plant copy pasta?
>you will be watered

>>9095523

Huh?

>>9095511
Because a lot of kiddie shit can be quite dark.

Watership Down and Plague Dogs for example.

Martin the Warrior was also highly rated, but I guess I can't take the simplicity anymore.

>>9095074
Yep, I've read it. Interesting, not quite Poe good but definitely a similar vibe.

>>9095519
>Guilty Pleasures
Don't forget to stop at Obsidian Butterfly. It goes to shit after that(it turns into a sex novel with the question: How many dicks, and how much sex can Anita have on a daily basis?)

No it doesn't get better... I read to book 22 hoping she would get back on track. Don't make the same mistake I did. Don't let your autism rule you. Leave it incomplete.

Also what are your interests? If you tell us what you like and we can recommend books that have it.
This chart has the most asked things that people want, and that my autism would allow me to put on a chart.

>>9095532
Go here >>9069674 and ctrl+f gor. Follow the replies.

>>9095574

0 results

>>9095537
I'm not taking about it being sunshine and roses. I'm talking about the simplicity.

YA tries to appear mature and fails 90% of the time. Kid fiction has got to be understood by youngens, it would grate on one's sensibilities to read kid books.

>>9095580
Sorry got them mixed up. It's this one >>9073425

>>9095612

>That plant shit

What the actual fuck

>>9095558
>Don't forget to stop at Obsidian Butterfly
Never planned to read beyond.
And it was already a few years ago since I read that.

Also I've also read the first Vampire Academy novel right after Guilty Pleasures. (which was really bad)

>what are your interests
Something like Iron Dragon's Daughter.
Already planning to read the Dragons of Babel.

The first Malazan novel was cool, but Deadhouse Gates was a bit of a letdown. (not sure if I should continue)

I guess I'm really looking for a novel where you're thrown in a world that seems all sunshine and flowers at first glance but everything slowly falls apart and it starts becoming an adventure through the world.
Iron Dragon's Daughter was a bit like that, though it missed the sunshine and flowers in the beginning. But it did fall apart nicely and it was an adventure.

>>9095338
Finished the last book yesterday, was a pretty satisfying ending. Which kind of makes me skeptical about a direct sequel using the same characters, think it would have been more interesting to have a smaller scale spinoff with some low color main characters since about 90% of the major ones in the first trilogy were golds. Or set it later than 10 years after and have Darrow's son be the protag.

>>9095744
What's the guilty pleasure part about Iron Dragon's Daughter, does it have fun action scenes or femc slutting around or something?

>>9094498
:3
>>9095474
>Show off your DAWs to us. Or do you have any nice looking Ballantine Adult Fantasy volumes (Lin Carter?) I guess you don't have any very old pulp stuff (Astounding Science Fiction etc) because that would be falling apart.
Most of it is in taped up boxes right now unfortunately. Here are few from one of my overflow stacks. The climate here is pretty dry, so no issues with mildew, but the glue dries up. Generally the oldest stuff copyright wise are actually reprints from the 60/70s. Since I haven't had a chance to do a full inventory yet (actually had one going pretty well, until a local bookstore shut down) that's the best I can tell you.

>Powder mage

Is it another teens take over some super bad government type thing?

>>9095826
Did I say it's a guilty pleasure?

The MC is quite the slut though

>>9095870
ass

recommend me a book with a flashy galactic empire/ reich

>>9095062
>read all the worst parts of book 2
>don't even get to the best parts (the last couple chapters)

>>9095129
The last 3 books were written by a different author. 14 books in all. He did a pretty good job all things considered. But there's plenty of other really long series you can read.

>>9095870
>that cheesecake art on books #1 and #2.

Wonderful stuff. The artist probably told his girlfriend to hold that pose for the second one.

It just feels like Deadhouse gates is lacking something GotM did have.

But I can't pinpoint it.

>>9095912
Seconded.

>>9086256
So basically Alpha Centauri?

>>9095882

Please respond

>>9095062
Yeah but I want to hold Shallan's safehand (while it's covered of course)

>>9096309

Kruppe?
The original based crew?

Can you guys recommend me a book like the the winter king and its sequels?
I'm really into iron age/late antiquity lately but I want a book with a believable setting.

>>9095912
Legend of the Galactic Heroes

>>9085851
I find it funny people draw stuff from asimov's worlds. It is not like he cared about the aesthesics of his worlds; he was much more interested in mathematics, politics, sociology. His discriptions of the things that exist in his worlds are so bland.

Any novels with a prostitute who comes becomes in some manner a complete badass?

>>9096114
If I have to read through two mostly shitty books with characters I can't stand to get to a few chapters that are supposedly good, then It's not worth it.

I've just never been a fan of the guy. He has interesting ideas and systems but the longer this stories go on, the worse it becomes.

>>9096441
No, it isn't.

What is some high fantasy without elves, dragons or dwarves?

>>9097025

LOTR

>>9097025
Anything post 1999
Although Goodkind is still writing his drivel.

>>9086854
Watts writes as if he were dictating, complete with stresses and emphasis. Rich coming from a strange creature who leaves a space before a "?"

>>9097025
The Hobbit

What are some decent books with a few bros traveling and having adventures and doing magic
preferably edgy

>>9097025
99% of all fantasy written in the last 20 years

>>9097525
Putting in elves and dwarves and then changing their race name doesn't count

>>9098064
I hate elves, dragons and dwarves too.

>mom told me on thursday she didn't like my writing
>today's my dad and stepmom veto everything I want to cook for dinner (despite the fact that it's my own goddamn birthday) because half the time they don't like it

This is how my passions die

>>9097025
Are winged deer that breathe fire okay?

>>9097437
Try Throne of the Crescent Moon. It's kind of like stardust crusders if Polenareff was replaced by a were-lioness and Jotaro is a limp-dick muslim paladin

>>9085851
looking to get into The Redwall series. should i go with chronological order or order of release?

>>9089907
>Stormlight Archive (Loved the first book, hated the second)
Without spoilers I reached finished the final battle in the first book last night, ended staying up way too late finishing it.

Everything came together like a long protracted 800 page orgasm.

My standards aren't very high, I love his world building and writing style so I hope I enjoy the second more than you did.

>>9098322

>Ahmed
>5/5 by rothfuss
>Muslim fantasy

oh god
I guess I'll have to at least give it a try

Is Prince of Fools any good?

>>9098560
yeah I reckon it was better than his first series

>>9098322
>Throne of the Crescent Moon
oh he's gonna write black bolt for marvel
aight this is next after lathe of heaven

>>9098560
I liked it better than Prince of Thorns. Jallan is a much more entertaining protagonist.

Listen up brothers, I am going off-the-grid for one month and planning on reading a sci fi classic series during said time.

should I read Dune saga or do you have better suggestions?

>>9098943

>One month

Malazan

>>9098943
>off-the-grid
what a meme

>>9096610
Seconded, Galactic heroes will make you SIEG MEIN KAISER

>>9095912
>>9096610
Already read that will watch the anime next Anything else?

What are some novels that subvert common genre tropes like the Culture series does? Culture is sci-fi but your examples can be fantasy too.

>>9099601
Asimov's Foundation
Ancillary Justice (first book ONLY)

>>9098560
It's shit. But that is just my opinion. Read it if you want.

>>9098324
Does this look like /r/fantasy/junior/ to you?

>>9099870
>look up Redwall in the archives
>more than 2300 results including the first chartanon
>>/lit/thread/S552160
Jesus

>>9099898
>>9099898
>>9099898
New Thread

>>9099897
Outer lit has a bunch of underage reddit types posting about it. It's rarely mentioned in the general itself. (You made it twice for the month, maybe the year in this general)

Last week I saw 5 redwall threads when I was looking through the catalog.

>>9095062
I want Shallan to give me a handjob with her safehand

>>9098324
I'd go with the chronological order, you get to read Martin the Warrior sooner that way and it was always my favorite one.

https://www.goodreads.com/series/51930-redwall-chronological-order