/lit/ - Literature

not this feminism shit again

Try some books on Semiotics to learn how language can be less oppressive. I'm thinking probably Foucault could help you out. Also, Deleuze is pretty radical. I don't know if I agree with your assumptions, that the userbase is majority female.

In the Culture novels the language they use in the culture is specifically designed to avoid problems such as the one that concerns you, OP. They use one pronoun for all intelligent creatures, be they female, male, or robotic.

>majority female userbase
No.

I love the idea of this topic, but /lit/ is not philosophy.

I don't agree with most of your assumptions. As if it's women's fault on /lit/ for an inevitable cultural backlash amongst middle-class males (mostly white) that's been 30 years coming and is raging strong. You're totally disregarding the atmosphere of privilege and bias.
I'm hoping troll.

a cunt is a cunt, you dumb twats. be happy men want to take care of you.

/lit/ is philosophy, for the love of god if not us then who?

Am I the only one that thought Buttercup's eyes in that motivational were funnier than they should be?

>>902173
It's not their fault, but they do help to perpetuate it and support it. Whenever we have a female bashing thread some female always defends the males bashing the women and praises traditional gender roles. In turn, she bases the women who disagree with her perception of the proper female relationship with men, and they bash her for her perception of that relationship.

>>902181
it is the eyes+facial expression that does it to me...

>>902163
Yea well, culture is fucking leftist propaganda and entirely bullshit.

The idea that we can just edit words out of our language and magically the accompanying emotions and ideas will disappear is outright lunacy.

One of the only people that could talk to people like people, you guys nailed to a tree

and then it all got turned into way-to-literal religion bullshit

>>902176
outrage, blah blah blah, you're retarded, yadda yadda yadda, i mad...
0/10. You're on /lit/, get at least a little creative.

>>902183
Dehumanization is not just a problem for women, and while I recognize that women are targets of objectification, I would like you to note that men are equally oppressed under this, and it isn't just the women who are promoting this oppression when they side with the men, but the men as well. Not only this, but a lot of the promotion takes the form of passive complicity.

>>902188
didn't Nietzsche say that the last christian died on the cross?

I hope you realize that there is absolutely no misogyny until some annoying BAWMENARESOHATEFUL bitch like you comes up.

>>902185
I'm pretty sure if we reach the Culture's level of advancement then doing the things you listed will be child's play. You are not too complicated for a super intelligent AI to figure out.

>>902193
>Men
>equally oppressed and objectified
Good lord, do you men really believe this shit or are you talking out of your asses?

>>902201

Women = looks
Men = money

>>902196
there is, it just doesn't come out so nakedly until that happens.

>>902201
No, I am perfectly serious. This is why ''womens studies" is becoming ''gender studies''. To truly understand the oppressive nature of the patriarchy, and all forms of cryptic and outright fascism, is to understand that we are all oppressed by it. Men suffer because of the same stereotypes, e.g. a man is the earner, for instance. Fuck that I'll be like bartleby the scrivener instead. The list could go on, but do you see what I'm getting at?

>>902203
Women don't want money because they are objectifying men. They want money because money is fucking awesome.

>>902215
I understand what you're saying since it's basically just a Marxist way of viewing human relationships. I don't think men have to put up with it like women do even if they do experience it on some level.

>>902221
>>902221
I understand that, and honestly I do see that women are subjected to a lot worse in terms of material oppression (ever wonder why lesbian couples are often impoverished while gay male couples are often well off?) but, I do think we need to incorporate the universal nature of oppression, maybe just to give more men a vested interest...

>>902215

Mhmm, I agree. Understanding women without understanding men doesn't work; from a historical perspective, at least, women have largely been defined by their attachment to a man. How can you look at what a particular gender is without looking at what helped shape that gender into what it is today?

I wish there really was a /wo/ board, for women. That way, we could see exactly what women would do if left to themselves. Sure, there would be the usual male trolls, but would women actually feel better if left in a completely sterile environment? Or would some need to start playing the victim again?

this is pretty retarded.

>they see themselves through the way they see their relationship with men.

too much soap opera, or subtle but terrible troll.

5/10

ITT: one person (maybe) who's actually read books and essays on the topics they're expounding on.

>>902231
>material oppression
>oppressive nature of the patriarchy
jesus fuck off you stupid commie

>>902272
You got a problem, comrade?

>>902231

>ever wonder why lesbian couples are often impoverished while gay male couples are often well off?

You know, I can't say I have ever wondered this. Is it even true?

>>902279
It is, and it's kind of an obscure fact. I was exposed to gay culture as a kid (my mom was lesbian at the time) and so this idea came to me empirically at first, and later I did find some ancillary evidence for this, statistically speaking, in a magazine article. It's rather fascinating to think about, and the entire gay culture can be an interesting thing to look at, but I already have too many interests to specialize in that one as well.

sage

>>902279
Libs are fucking retards and liars.

>>902294
people who make empty statements such as that are clearly just scared.

>>902287
>and the entire gay culture can be an interesting thing to look at,
If by "interesting" you mean utterly disgusting perversion pushed by the jewish lobby.

>and later I did find some ancillary evidence for this,
You mean incompetent dumb man hating dykes aren't as rich as men, the answer MUST be oppression, it can't be anything else!!

You fucking libs and commies are the dumbest idiots in the world.

>>902294
how typical, a conservative resorting to name-calling

>>902313
This troll is getting boring and worn out like your mothers cunt, asshole and mouth.

You would be happier if you accepted that men see women as objects OP. You could find a nice man who would love you more than the most beloved animal pet- he would shower you with attention and protect you from the world. Is that really such a bad way to live? I'm a female, FWIW.

>>902294
>Libs
...Is it just me, or has American summer break produced a noticeable influx of rabid right-wingers?

fuckin' trolls, how do they work?

>>902323
hahaha men see women as objects men see themselves as objects women see women as objects women see men as objects....I can't wait until this whole fucking world comes to an end. learn to swim, you fuckers.

>>902238
whiteblaze.net has a women's forum pretty strictly for women. It's about problems women have hiking, of course, but they cover a lot of ground anyway. Might try it, get a fresh breath of air, as it were.

>>902238
lol
women are completely fucked up by hormones in the food and water supply and stress and feminist leftist propaganda.
Women only companies go bankrupt rapidly.
>>902337
Problems women have hiking are: NOT CARRYING A GUN SO THEY GET RAPED AND KILLED BY ILLEGALS AND NIGGERS

The one thing I agree with is that women tend to focus too much on how men see them. As a woman, I try t focus on myself and be my own person. That's what important to me.

>>902359

Ayn Rand? Is that you?

>>902347
You show your ignorance. I encourage you to try a gun thread on whiteblaze.

The women's forum does talk about men and rape and so forth and pinkblazing, but mostly it's about getting proper boots and underwear and calling home and why the g*d* steps are always too high!

'Why don't men respect women?'

Why? Because you are weak. How can a man respect a woman, or see her as an equal, when she can't stand up for herself, take responsibility for her actions and show some fucking backbone? If I saw one woman that didn't hide behind the residual chivalrous values we have here in the West, I'd respect her. If I saw one woman that could do something other than throw empty insults and tantrums, I would consider her an equal. So far, I've seen no women worthy of respect.

I've always been under the impression that women are most concerned with how other women think men see them.

>>902374

>g*d*

>>902359

You're damn right. I don't give a fuck how women OR men see me, and I've never been happier. The fact is, you are told to be mentally and physically weak; you are told to be objects, something you accept so that you can be accepted by both men and women. Why men objectify women is partially women's fault.

>>902231

Maybe because women tend to choose jobs based on their benefits and prioritize their own personal happiness over their work (ie, there are so many female teaches because of the hours and 4 months of the year off)...

where as men tend to prioritize money over their own happiness... so they pick jobs where they work 80hour weeks so they can scrape their way to the top of the pile as fast as possible then try to buy happiness with their wealth?

/shrug that'd be my best guess... going by some limited reading and a few classes on gender in society.

>>902376
I may be weak, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing, I'm kind, loving, and try to be a good person in my day to day life. I don't think being weak makes me a bad person or unworthy of respect.

>>902459
right and i think he believes that all men are beefy studs. This is not true. I am 6'1'' and 140 lbs. you do the math.

i doubt that much of the /lit/eraries are female, since according to harold bloom "bitches aint shit when it comes to literature"

>>902467
actually he said ''bitchez aint shit when it comes to /lit/''

>>902337
>>902337

>It's about problems women have hiking, of course, but they cover a lot of ground anyway.
>hiking
>cover a lot of ground

>>902471
my apologies fellow male anon reader, i was paraphrasing and should have taken the time to find the proper quotation pertaining to the situation