/lit/ - Literature

>Big Pseud

>>8800675
>I'm 16 and my sources are superior

Grow up

Can this guy go one day without making a media appearance?

>>8800666
>muh god

>>8800687
If I were 16, I'd be jacking off to the latest Bill Nye video on Big Think like you're probably about to do.

>>8800666
My body is ready

>>8800690
He's basically getting payed for shitposting, living the dream

link plz, I don't want Google's future AI to know my preference of continental philosophers.

>rapefugee apologist

wtf i hate sniffing man now

>>8800739
Google owns youtube son...

There isn't such a thing as a "new" zizek vid because every speech he makes is a rehash of his previous material

He's like a comedian who keeps repeating the same jokes

>>8800765
He always throws in a few new variations, that's what keeps it interesting and makes me watch everything

>>8800751
thus I don't want to search for it on youtube. Embedding it on 4chan wouldn't implicate me so strongly.

>>8800773
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5PigZzSAJo

>>8800770
I pretty much watch him for the same reason

>>8800739
admirable paranoia

don't ever let them tell you to relax, anon. some day you'll be the only untouchable one.

>>8800739
Watch through a proxy?

>>8800750
you aren't actually surprised are you

>>8800780
Thanks.
>>8800785
It's going to be lonely outside the Googlag.
>>8800789
Proxies will get infinitely more attention. And I'd have to clear all my cookies and data, spoof a mac address, and hope like hell the assortment of fonts, software and settings websites can see aren't unique. Best case scenario predictive analytics could narrow me down to a hundred people if I went through a proxy, all of which the future AI would redflag for potentially using a proxy.

>>8800666
How the fuck can you lsten to this guy eat his own tongue and garble unintelligably for 22 minutes?

>>8800834
>And I'd have to clear all my cookies and data, spoof a mac address, and hope like hell the assortment of fonts, software and settings websites can see aren't unique.
It's funny, but stupid.

>Best case scenario predictive analytics could narrow me down to a hundred people if I went through a proxy, all of which the future AI would redflag for potentially using a proxy.
1. Use proxies other people use.
2. Use proxies that don't flag that you've connected via a proxy.

>>8800853
It's an acquired taste. He's probably the single most enjoyable person to listen to for me.

>>8800853
What would you do for 22 minutes?

I watch shit at double speed btw, so it's like 11 mins.

>>8800853
>How the fuck can you lsten to this guy eat his own tongue and garble unintelligably for 22 minutes?
says he while shitposting on 4chan

>>8800666
Thanks, Satan

More like Big Stink

take a drink every time he sniffs and wipes his nose

Why is he so dreamy, /lit/

>>8801580
see >>8800732

>>8800666
I've watched so much of his stuff that I already know what he will say.

Call me when he admits that "race" affects people's behavior and/or when he admits that "race" is as legitimate a reason to discriminate as anything else.

>>8801998
back to /pol/

>>8802003
>Oh no, he mentioned a topic that is taboo! But hey, at least I don't have to use arguments.

>>8802003
I'm scared of words too, anon. Do you want to huddle together like the vulnerable femboys we are? I'll be your security blanket against internet meanies if you'll be mine~

>>8802109
It's more like "I am fed up of articulating against memes. You'll just keep spouting them10x faster than Ican reason. Please leave and join the cesspool of retarded individuals who agree with you

>>8802177
Race/ethnicity aren't a /pol/ meme, you dunce.

What exactly are you afraid of anyway? That humanity can't go on unless all races live together like in some Coca Cola commercial? That recognizing and respecting the differences means we must have another holocaust?

>>8800666
I saw a video of him defending how undemocratic the EU is and praising Merkel for doing the dictatorship thing to pozz the continent. Fucking disgusting, wasn't the point of his ideology to help the common man rather than multinational corps among other things? I hope he gets beheaded.

>>8802203
>Race/ethnicity aren't a /pol/ meme
Well /pol/ meme a lot about it all the time

>>8802208
>his ideology
Pure ideology

>>8802210
Well maybe you should stop visiting /pol/ and learn to think with your own head.

>>8801998
>race realism

>>8800666
this shit is going out of hand
should call zizek posting as a synonym for shitposting, since every 2. to 3. thread is about him.
Fuck he makes me sick, because i'm a little like him

>>8800780
>SLURP SLURP SLURP SNIFF SNIFF BRBRBRBR BR RB RB RBRBR SLURP MUH REFUGEES.

How can people listen to this guy?

>>8802241
I simply do not understand this fuzzy thinking of the left, if you're a staunch materialist you must not be afraid to take that to its logical conclusions. Reality does not care if it's contradictory to your assumptions or not.

>>8802267
This, he is incredibly unpleasant to listen to.

>>8800780
>we can and should have more immigrants in Europe
>the Israeli arm legally allows its soldiers to rape local arab women
lol

how is this guy even relevant to anyone...

>>8802208
Zizek's only objective is to assume the least assumed position, to be a contrarian.

>>8800870
>What would you do for 22 minutes?

dunno. watch an episode of two and a half men or something?

>>8802331
Self harm is not cool bro, get help.

>>8802326
The pro-immigrant stance is leading in both mainstream politics and mainstream academia, so if you want to be relevant you better play along.
Žižek actually doesn't need that anymore, but he's in too deep at this point.

>>8802294
you are so genetically similar to niggers that it'd make you cry

>>8802326
He didn't say either of those things.

>>8802326
this is non-sequitur, how are these things related?

>>8802387
I'm genetically similair to a chimpanzee too, so what?

>>8802401
I'm not sure if he's trying to point out a contradiction; just things he finds stupid and is saying "how is this guy an 'intellectual'".

>>8800739
what is 4chan captcha

>>8802579
OH SHI

>>8802583
>>8802579

>>8802391
He literally says both of those things in the video, it's almost verbatim. Are you retarded?

>>8802401
They are related in the sense that he says absurd shit that is clearly untrue just to get a reaction, to grasp at relevance and at being the novel non-mainstream mainstream.

>>8802330
I think a certain degree of contrarianism is healthy but the guy doesn't put any effort into it. He builds his house on quicksand so to speak.

>>8802694
It's because he tries to achieve this balance, he has to be different from the conventional wisdom of the day while still pandering to remain within the realm of acceptability and (most importantly) coverage.

The result is all of his 'views' being easily dismantled and Zizek having to pull a Sam Harris (or maybe Harris a Zizek) a la picking fights with a totally disinterested Chomsky to vie for relevance in the 20 something dilettante demographic that is his public.

>>8802661
>He literally says
Pure ideology.

>>8802661
>He literally says both of those things in the video, it's almost verbatim.
No he actually didn't. He never said anything about how we "should have more immigrants", he only denounced the anti-immigrant right.

He then went on a tangent about ethical decline and mentioned how he heard that an israeli rabbi said that israeli soldiers should rape women in occupied territory.

The whole video was a relatively boring, inoffensive argument that the left shouldn't turn a blind eye to the elements of foreign cultures which are ethically incompatible with western morality.

It's not a very interesting spiel, but there's nothing contrarian about it.

>>8802762
>No he actually didn't. He never said anything about how we "should have more immigrants"
He very clearly positions himself as pro immigration. If you deny that, you're retarded. In fact you're retarded anyway because he does say the exact line question. It's LITERALLY verbatim. LITERALLY. The LITERAL kind.

>>8802762
>He then went on a tangent about ethical decline and mentioned how he heard that an israeli rabbi said that israeli soldiers should rape women in occupied territory.
No, once again you're phrasing it in some innocuous light. He said it's legal for the Israeli armed forces to rape women in invaded territories. Ridiculous sensationalist garbage.

>>8802326
The point about the Israeli army is that he believes we are living in a time of moral decay and cites the Jews, which he considers to be a pinnacle of civilization, to be immoral. I know the pol tards can get behind half of that statement - isn't decadence and moral decay part of the alt-right's gripes with modern society?

>>8802799
If you support the current right wing leaders in power in the United States you cannot complain of sensationalism. One cannot pick and choose.

>>8802326
did you even comprehend the video

>>8802923
>which he considers to be a pinnacle of civilization
He says they are the ultimate people of civilization. That would be more like the end game or something.

It's weirdly worded, but I guess he's referring to the rhetoric that Israel views itself as the absolute bastion of civilization and holds itself up as being more civilized than anyone else, at least in the region. They were the first and best as it were. I wonder if it isn't a cheeky end of times type reference.

>>8802387
yeah and humans share 50% oif their dna with bananas

it's almost as though the smallest genetic difference has significant effects on your physical composition

>>8803043
>it's almost as though the smallest genetic difference has significant effects on your physical composition
You know you also share less than 50% of your DNA with your father, and the rest with your mother. Is that how come you don't look like your dad?

>>8803043
Ok and then so what?
Lets assume people from Africa are genetically disposed to be less intelligent and more impulsive.
That does not prevent anyone from the capability of being a productive citizen nor undeserving of equality

>>8803066
No, but why should civilized societies go out of their way to accommodate them?

>>8802799
>He very clearly positions himself as pro immigration.
Wow what a crazy sensationalist contrarian position to take.

>No, once again you're phrasing it in some innocuous light.
No, you're reading it from a position of MASSIVE preconceived bias against him which I don't share.

I watched that video and interpreted it as "zizek shitting out tepid leftist rhetoric for the big think audience", because that's all it is.

>>8803066
No-one wants equality, they want special treatment.

>>8803098
I'm not that anon, but are you American? Out of curiosity, I'll explain after a reply.

>>8800666
>mfw Zizek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlmNqwEhGIk

>>8803107
Yes. Let the record show, I don't actually subscribe to that view, just running with the hypothetical. What I imagine others to think.

>>8803007
Right, that makes much more sense. I was a bit unclear on that part but knew he was trying to posit the idea of moral decay.

>>8803098
Because they from one degree to another come from a shattered existence and their wellbeing would be ensured from a relatively small expense on the part of developed economies. And many do indeed have much to offer in return

>>8803098

For the same reason you don't throw retard babies to the wolves. It's not nice to be mean to other people.

>>8803159
The retard babies are on their own. I won't throw them to the wolves, but I've no obligation to assist them. If they try to get in my way they will come off worse.

>>8803126
How is any of that my problem? I don't need what they offer, there's countless people with countless 'offers' in this world.

>>8803126
>their wellbeing
That's a very shortsighted position. You're accepting working age males who are most capable of helping their home societies, while ignoring
1) the immediate wellbeing of people left behind (kids, women, elderly)
2) the long term effects of brain drain
3) the wellbeing of the host (developed) countries

Pro immigrant "humanism" doesn't make sense. It focuses on a few individuals while ignoring everyone else. No wonder its propaganda relies so much on emotional manipulation.

>>8803172
You talk about it as though you simply don't want to put forth an affirmative effort, but in actuality, being an opponent of immigration is putting forth a negative effort.

>>8803114
The US has a long history of exactly that thought: why should we get involved with or even accommodate other countries. Exactly why this is isn't clear, likely a mix of being a former colony and the whole enlightenment ideals thing, and having really shitty experiences trying to trade with Europe at war in the past (Jefferson got fucked right over in the early 19th C and then there were loads of attempts at having tariffs and such against US grain).

You can't have this both ways though: if you become involved in serious financial relationships with other countries it becomes very difficult to back out without hurting yourself. See what happened in the Great Depression with the tariffs and such.

I think this is more relevant to the US thinking here, in Europe we have immigrants coming over but for the US it's more about outsourcing jobs and multinationals I think. But, as an interesting point of comparison, if we recall the propaganda around the Hibernian invasion (they will come over, have lots of babies, overrun everyone, and then the Pope will be president) there's a similar general stereotype around certain muslim groups, and I wouldn't be surprised if that sort of thinking is gaining ground again. It'll be interesting because that fits into the Kosovo narrative, and so is more closely related to Russian """"expansionism"""" than you might think.

>>8803194
Your argument is getting silly and relying on a great deal of socio economic measurements that I van't be bothered to go through here.

The initial point remains that "race realism" isn't an inherent undermining of Leftist positions

>>8802589
Këk

>>8803194
>2) the long term effects of brain drain
I'm a Brit and I'm convinced now that brain drain isn't an issue as much as willful under funding of education can be.

I would also make the argument that you can't force people to be interested in their own problems, like a common problem with the whole developing country scholarships in the 70s and 80s (and no doubt onwards) had been that many westerners were interested in for example African problems, but a lot of Africans were more interested in getting that western job. And it was quickly realized that going "you are the black African so you can only study malaria or something" was not really in the right spirit.

>>8803203
This is simply untrue, letting in refugees IS an affirmative, they contribute nothing to the local economy but crime and are a tax burden on everyone else.

>>8803203
you should look up how many syrians work in germany vs how many receive government assistance

>>8803258
>they contribute nothing to the local economy
It depends. If they can work they're actually fairly scaleable, and hey we didn't have to pay for their being a useless baby or child for nearly 2 decades. You know, because they work but also they're consumers and spend and pay taxes and such.

A lot of refugees tho are suffering trauma, and may need time to recover. But then we have a duty to those suffering.

>>8803258
Policing borders is an affirmative.

I don't know how that can't be obvious. If somebody walks into your country and you send police officers to eject them, that's taking action.

>>8803275
>If they can work
They don't speak the language and have no education, what fucking work do you think they're going to do, what incredible contributions do they have for their host countries? The only jobs they can do are the ones that already have a surplus of potentials,see unskilled manual labor. And statistically most of them don't even do that since the government already provides them with room and board.

>>8803272
Subsidizing immigrants is a completely different matter from permitting immigrants to enter the country.

>>8803225
Go to Russia and ask them if they like that their smartest people are leaving for the rich countries.

You're not helping the world by accepting immigrants, you're at best maybe helping your economy if it happens to need some new workers (like Germany in the last few years). But when those workers aren't needed anymore you can expect a new Detroit.


I'm also not that interesting to argue against "leftist positions", because they're often based on fantasy, so it ends up being a waste of time or academic circlejerk at best.

>>8803285
>maintaining the status quo is affirmative

Every time Zizek says he is terrified by something, he is hiding his admiration of it.

>>8803294
>this level of mental gymnastics
that is patently false to anyone who isn't a retard

>>8803298
Do you think that the status quo is maintained by people sitting around not doing anything?

>>8803294
I'm pretty sure rape, theft and murder don't happen in a vacuum.

>>8803294
This is a UN and EU member state in his lord's year 2016. What, do you expect them to toss them in front of the walls of the polis, to declare them vogelfrei or something? Letting people into the country means the government spending money on them these days.

>>8803291
>They don't speak the language and have no education
Syria had a p good standard of education. And plenty can speak English, an awful lot can speak French too.
>The only jobs they can do are the ones that already have a surplus of potentials,see unskilled manual labor.
Eh, there are issues with it but you're overblowing it. Some places need it more than others too.
>since the government already provides them with room and board.
I don't agree with that reasoning there.

>>8803309
Maintaining the status quo is part of the status quo. It's not affirmative, it's continuitive. Why do you even think borders exist?

Do you think a state of non-anomie is maintained by people sitting around not doing anything? Of course, it's why we have laws and police, they are part of the definition of the state.

>>8803334
ALL of the statistics disagree with you and your 'reasoning'.

>>8803307
In the US, people immigrate illegally, and they live in the country not subsidized. Sometimes they manage to get some kinds of benefits, but not ubiquitously.

I don't know why the Europeans insist on letting people into their countries and then pay for their expenses with tax money from native people who work.

>>8803339
>they are part of the definition of the state.
hmm the state, huh?

>>8803275
>But then we have a duty to those suffering.
Duty to the suffering is a Spook.

Literally no reason for me to care, so long as I accept that I expect no one to care for my suffering as well.

And I certainly do.

>>8803339
>ALL of the statistics disagree with you and your 'reasoning'.
Statistics will only say something like whether they're working or not, you cannot prove what their beliefs around that are. This is like the tricky bit around analysis I grant you.

I would say though that I find it weird to imagine a Syrian family coming over to live in a camp and eventually in a shipping container flat thing, with the head of the family saying to his children "This is your great future now! Sponging off the western states!", it just feels like a weird idea of a NEET. More likely I would think they would want to work as part of their pride and such.

>>8802330

So he's a Slovenian Christopher/Peter Hitchens and/or Milo Yiannopoulos?

>>8803363
>More likely I would think they would want to work as part of their pride and such.
No need for pride when
>your food and homes are paid for
>all of your friends and family came over too, and you're chilling out in an evergrowing cesspool that is just like the country you left

>>8803159

>you don't throw retard babies to the wolves

More's the fucking pity.

>>8803361
>Duty to the suffering is a Spook.
So is 'Preserving the Superior Civilization from the Foreign Horde'.

>>8803275

>A lot of refugees tho are suffering trauma, and may need time to recover. But then we have a duty to those suffering.

Not when they 'deal' with that trauma by lashing out at their new 'host' society with rape/assault/etc.

New Year's Eve in Cologne 2015. That's what we're dealing with here.

>>8803366
No since he has a PhD and produces influencial ideas and theory rather than regurgitating cliche trite

>>8803361
>Duty to the suffering is a Spook.
I grant that it's patterned, I guess that makes it a spook in a sense.

>Literally no reason for me to care, so long as I accept that I expect no one to care for my suffering as well.
I think you don't realize how hard that would be, it's also a little spooky:
>I can deny myself numberless things for the enhancement of his pleasure, and I can hazard for him what without him was the dearest to me, my life, my welfare, my freedom. Why, it constitutes my pleasure and my happiness to refresh myself with his happiness and his pleasure. But myself, my own self, I do not sacrifice to him, but remain an egoist and -- enjoy him. If I sacrifice to him everything that but for my love to him I should keep, that is very simple, and even more usual in life than it seems to be; but it proves nothing further than that this one passion is more powerful in me than all the rest. Christianity too teaches us to sacrifice all other passions to this. But, if to one passion I sacrifice others, I do not on that account go so far as to sacrifice myself, nor sacrifice anything of that whereby I truly am myself; I do not sacrifice my peculiar value, my ownness. Where this bad case occurs, love cuts no better figure than any other passion that I obey blindly. The ambitious man, who is carried away by ambition and remains deaf to every warning that a calm moment begets in him, has let this passion grow up into a despot against whom he abandons all power of dissolution: he has given up himself, because he cannot dissolve himself, and consequently cannot absolve himself from the passion: he is possessed.

>>8803297
Also Poland
http://www.businessinsider.com/polish-deputy-prime-minister-calls-on-emigrants-to-return-home-2016-3

tl;dr - if you want to help the 3rd world, teach the man how to fish and all that.
If not, at least be honest and admit that you don't give a shit about 3rd worlders and stop pretending you're morally superior to those "nazis" who oppose immigration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSKNvvhKazM

>>8803387

>No since he has a PhD

The Hitchens bros. were also well-educated.

>produces influencial ideas and theory

Like what? Apart from "muh ideology"?

>>8803363
>I would say though that I find it weird to imagine a Syrian family
Well you're imagining a fucking fiction to begin with. It's not families coming over, it is 20-30 year old men for the most part. Could be any more uninformed?

>hurr durr statistics mean nothing
>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-30/refugees-welcome-to-sweden-you-ll-get-a-job-in-a-decade
If you love at the unemployment rate in any EU country since they began taking in refugees...it is totally unaffected. They don't work. Some say it's b/c they believe government benefits to be a sort of jizya, others because they are wholly unqualified for modern jobs. The why is irrelevant in a macroscopic view because the what is all too clear.

>>8803340
It's the cuck way. I find it utterly hilarious how the selfsame white european who made the modern world is now cucking himself out of existence out of a love of leftist propaganda.

>>8803381
More like
>preserving oneself from the foreign horde.

>>8803389
Not all that spooky, really

>>8803340
Me neither, to be quite honest with you, but that's the way it is and you're sooner going to shut down immigration than change that.
It has its upsides for the general public as well though, not having homeless people and such everywhere.

>>8803384
>New Year's Eve in Cologne 2015
They should have banned all Americans for sure.

Most of those were also Morrocans, and for sure they have gone a bit weird in the last few decades. That whole thing was a bit bizarre for the sexual harassment phrasebook many had too.

>>8803402
My idea of leftism is not "compelling workers to pay for the livelihood of non-workers".

Universal welfare is very strange to me.

>>8803340
It's a cultural thing. In the US Mexicans are treated like scum, they work to overcome their low social status. In the EU refugees who are actually economic migrants are entitled to massive government assistance and all the boys/girls/wives they can rape or kill, all with no expectation on them to give back whatsoever. Their very being there is the contribution, it satisfies the raging white guilty zionists have instilled in them via the EU and their puppet husk Merkel. It's a question of mentality is what I'm saying.

>>8803415
Sounds like capitalism to me DESU

>>8803392
>The Hitchens bros. were also well-educated.

Eh not really, they were the definition of sophists

>>8803412

>They should have banned all Americans for sure.

Why?

Pretty much all of the victims described the perpetrators as being of Middle Eastern/African extraction.

>>8803420

Maybe, but they're also well-educated. If the Hitchens brothers are sophists, Zizek definitely qualifies.

>>8803394
>If you love at the unemployment rate in any EU country since they began taking in refugees...it is totally unaffected.
That would be because some are working as the population increases. Rate is an extensive property.

>Well you're imagining a fucking fiction to begin with. It's not families coming over, it is 20-30 year old men for the most part. Could be any more uninformed?
It varies, but this is quite typical for people fleeing war, eventually the rest of the family will come. Early on there were also lots of families, then there were several disruptions to the route they had to take.

>>8803423
There was one American arrested for it, and even that is too much. Filthy!

>>8803423
>Maybe, but they're also well-educated

Based on what? Neither ever advanced past a BA which would be fine if they actually displayed advanced self thought understanding of philosophy or politics but they were always simplistic and narrow in their semantic understandings and had zero rigor to their frameworks.
Zizek has actually had to have his work go through the scrutiny of peer review and doctoral standards, if you don't see the tremendous difference between what he produces in his books and what the Hitchens amount to then I presume you need a lot further understanding of what it means to be educated yourself.

>>8803444

>Getting peer reviewed in a modern university
>Meaning anything

Preach to the choir of the prevailing Zeitgeist and you're there. Wow, so hard.

>>8803452
Yes mate, thats how easy it is to earn a PhD, your shitposting online is certainly at the level if not above what others go through several years of University to achieve

>>8803066
Government is evil, so no one is deserving of it.

>>8803476
Getting a PhD in non-STEM fields is not that hard, though. Time consuming for sure, but it doesn't require exceptional skill or intelligence.

>>8803425
You sound like a leftist propaganda mouthpiece from an economy newspaper. It's an incontrovertible fact that the majority of 'refugees' are young men.
>'oh I'm sure their familys will follow after them in a few years...just let them in'

Your feel good nonsense has no bearing in reality.

Also, that's not the way unemployment is calculated, sorry.

>>8803629
>Also, that's not the way unemployment is calculated, sorry.
It is. How do you think Monaco has negative unemployment?

>>8802579
What is bitcoin purchased 4chan pass?
Stay analyzable.

>>8803514
>he thinks getting a PhD in Stem is anything more than time investment

Hola brainlet

>>8803159
>It's not nice to be mean to other people.
lmaooo

>>8800666
>>8800666
i think zizi sucks ass. he is killing the left with his uninspired rants. he doesnt grapple with the fact that he himself is a symptom of our paralyized left and uncreative and disbeliebing times.
how can he go on about lack of cognitive mapping or cognitive dissonance, when clearly he is the epitome of it. on the one hand advocating alienated postmodernity, but fighting global capitalism; affirming the need to invent ways of living together away from the state and on the other hand promoting an new super structure/power (only to avoid calling it institution) to regulate the shit out of us.
on the one hand asking us to "demand the impossible" and if anyone supposes something new, simply answering: "tell me one instance where it worked".
"ironically" admiring stalin, yet openly promoting such measures. and not even getting the facts about immigration right. at the time nearly 80% of germans were approving of refugees. and not even understanding angela merkel, who always does what polls tell her.
and then recommending shitty authors like p mason or j rifkin, who are obscuring economics with shitty physics analogies can be paraphrased as saying "techmology is kuul"
i have read 5 books, including his magnum opus less than nothing, watched countless youtube videos and films and so on and so on, but he doesnt have anything to say anymore. even when is is getting into more philosophical stuff like OOO he is just rephrasing Luhmann.
ZIZEK BTFO
/thread

>>8802208
>his ideology
You pseud how does it feel to be stupid

didnt know zizek was JIDF

Where do I start with this guy?

>>8804578
>philosophical stuff like OOO

>>8804578
Hurr durr retard

>>8800780
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AkAGc5nOXw

>cultural compatability
You dipshits know the problem with refugees is jobs/unemployment, right? That and pay?

Why the fuck do retards keep pretending other issues are the primary problem with refugees? Both parties do thism

>>8805636
Rapes.

>>8805629
>Prager U
Stopped watching there.

>>8805664
it's not retarded, just watch it

>>8802294
Ok can you please link to something that has been backed up by legitimate science to confirm the superiority of any race over another. Seriosly because ive never seen anything to really back up this claim that would suggest blacks are in any real way inferior.

>>8800780
>the number of fundamentalists in Christian countries (3-4%) is the same as in Muslim countries
wrong

>>8805703
and source for this

>>8803159
>retard babies
The official progressive position on immigrants.

>>8805636

Both problems could be solved by not letting in a truckload a day.

If unemployment is a problem then why the fuck would MORE immigration help? Just deport anyone who doesn't have a job. Europeans are so stupid, you've never had to be hard-nosed about anything since Marshall financed your continent. You just play around smoking weed and driving volvos and can't figure out why people are blowing up in the middle of your streets.

If you want to flee religious oppression and live a secular life welcome.
If you want to bring your middle age religion and backwards shit here: Fuck you! Stay in fucking Afghanistan if you think burqas are cool.

>>8806301
>2016
>Being islamophobic

>>8806329
Well there was really no need to be until quite recently. But its really a question about what values we value. When human rights activists who have fled from forced marriages and help others do the same are called Islamophobic by the lefties something is seriously wrong. Not wanting to live in a medieval society is not being islamophobic or if it is then that's a good thing.
Why is open religious oppression tolerated among immigrants by the same people who go apeshit about
>muh CIS males
Not having to live under a religious yoke is something our ancestors fought, for why should we give up on that. Im pretty amazed most women seems to be okay with this. As a man my right will if anything get stronger as muslim values get more accepted.

>>8806329
>>8805707

>>8806350
samefag:
An interesting aside here is that this is an instance where the left are often seen defending people who openly say that fags should be burned at the stake without seeing any contradiction between that and gay rights.
Exactly how they rationalize this is a mystery to me.

>>8805629
PragerU is an ideological fuck dungeon but this is a good video

>>8806358
The left isn't a singular entity.

>>8806301
Syria's a modern country, there wouldn't be massive opposition to ISIS if this weren't the case.

I find it kind of fucking baffling that /k/ is able to have more nuanced discussions about Syria than /lit/. It's blindingly obvious none of you have actually investigated the armed groups involved in the conflict. ISIS are country bumpkins. They are numerically large but cover a vast expanse of fucking nothing terrain. All the actual fighting, all the actual conflict around places that matter, is between a modern authoritarian regime and a vast array of ethnic, political and self-defensive militias.

The people from Syria are not a fucking problem. They are not a real danger. Any fear of them is just a betrayal of ignorance about how westernized and totally neutered they actually are.

>>8806358
>the left are often seen defending people who openly say that fags should be burned at the stake
No, that's /pol/.

>>8806402
Like a said. I don't really mind immigration what I do mind is the erosion of western values.

Only the future will tell how exactly the syrians manage, my feeling is its going to be a shit show, mostly because there's a lot of them and no one really wants them.

Overall there has been as islamization trend going on in the middle east for a long time and it does not seem to slow down. The arab spring has pretty much ended with islamist forces moving forward their positions. And once/if the assad regime fall we will most likely see an islamist regime there too. The secular forces are simply too weak.

>>8806407
Nah, it's a sad and strange reality when human rights activists who help people flee forced marriage are called Islamophobic.

>>8806301
>If you want to flee religious oppression and live a secular life welcome.
Speak for yourself. In some places people still care about having a homogeneous population.
Also it's pretty naive to think that culture and human biology aren't related.

>>8806402
I'm honestly more worried about Arabs and Africans that are already living in France than Syrians.
But no need to make the situation even worse by importing more of those faggots. Fuck them all, close the borders.

>>8806421
The Russians will butcher every last man, woman and child in Syria before they let the Islamists have it. That's the impression I get.

>>8806497
there is already more than plently no need more more lmao

>>8802371
>The pro-immigrant stance is leading in both mainstream politics
Brexit, Trump, the Italian referendum, and Marine Le Pen are all proving you wrong right now.

>>8806629
Austria... oh shit wait.

I get the impression you don't understand UK politics, French politics, and really not Italian politics either.

>>8806646
>Austria
Which is one of the few places where the left isn't bleating about how their poorest citizenry just need to accept having their wages and social safety net destroyed by mass migration. Are you seriously going to hold up the victory of a very moderate left wing politician up against the rise of nationalism everywhere else?

>>8803391
>gumballs

MMMMMMMMMM 777777777

>>8806660
Are you seriously holding up news that has nothing to do with right or left wing politicians particularly?

Yes, you are.

>>8806402

>Syria's a modern country

They have a literacy rate of 86.4%. By modern standards that's piss poor. One in five women can't read or write. What planet are you on that you think that Syria is "westernized" ?

SJWs are so delusional, no wonder you love Muslims so much, you're both touched in the head.

>>8806676
The right wing is changing its rhetoric to meet the feelings of the populace. That takes the form of nationalism. The left is crawling along like a dinosaur, insisting that poor people need to do what's best for multinational CEOs and open more free trade with poor nations and take in swathes of their people.

>>8806687
Repeat your mantra, go to your safe space.

>>8806690
At least I'm not borrowing the language of the right to try and sound cool.

>>8806679
>They have a literacy rate of 86.4%. By modern standards that's piss poor.
96%* http://tellmaps.com/uis/literacy/

On the other hand (I loathe to post wikipedia but it's suddenly quite hard to find this shit):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States

>>8806497
>Also it's pretty naive to think that culture and human biology aren't related.
can you fuck off with that shit

go back to your /pol/ generals and watch your musical remixes of hitler's speeches

>>8800725
You clearly don't have patrician lineage.

When I was sixteen, I was jacking off to Stirner's saucy face.

>>8803172
>How is any of that my problem?
Your country sent weapons there that caused their problems, and you did nothing to prevent this, yet benefited from the income your nation's economy got from the trade.

Now I personally am a dick and do not really subscribe to that belief, but some argue that you are morally obligated to deal with the consequences and help the people you benefited from being fucked over.
Individuals do not exist in a vacuum.

>>8806716

Then why is it that 30% of the Syrian migrants in Canada cannot read or write in their own language?

Are they only sending retards or is your number off?

>>8806779
Are you sure they're Syrian or are they Afghan?

>>8806752
>Your country sent weapons there that caused their problems, and you did nothing to prevent this, yet benefited from the income your nation's economy got from the trade.
He didn't benefit, his tax dollars were wasted on wars that cost trillions and that he likely didn't want (since pretty much nobody who wasn't a politician or a CEO did), and that he had no power to prevent to begin with. The United States isn't even legally declaring war and hasn't for decades.

If you want to argue that the people who benefited should finance the housing of immigrants who will depress the wages of the lower and middle classes, then the financing should come directly from the 1%, since their presence will only make them richer anyways. And the politicians sent the weapons there without regard for the well being of their own citizens, they should be executed in public.

>>8806785
>And the politicians sent the weapons there without regard for the well being of their own citizens, they should be executed in public.
The politicians are not the manufacturers of weapons.

And that anon could atleast have tried to protest weapons exports into war-torn areas being legal, but I assume he did not care. If he did, he would obviously now have a right to complain if immigrants come to his country. But if he didn't care then, he would now be morally obligated to accept the refugees (implying they even affect him negatively in any way).

Anyway, ever since migrants came to my country the unemployment rate went down, so it seems like they do not damage the economy.

>>8806796
Zdravo...?

Weapons are usually highly regulated. It's not really beneficial to specialize too much in their manufacture so that's part of why. It's possible that you have first hand knowledge of the problems with this.

>>8806796
The politicians have all the power in this situation. Strange that you're shilling for them while saying that the poor should pay the price of mass migration, all while talking about moral responsibility.

You give me a slimy vibe, honestly.

>>8806813
It would be simple enough for politicians to just generally prohibit weapon exports into countries with open conflict. That has nothing to do with specialization.

>>8806828
Yes, they do, and that is why they should take responsibility aswell. I am not "shilling" anyone here. But anyone who did not protest the weapon exports fueling the war is a hypocrite when protesting the results of it.

>>8803057
Only 50% of your genes come from either parent, but that doesn't mean that those parents can't have genes which are the same. Which they do have, it would be such a mess if you had to have at least two sets of genes in the gene pool controlling the expression of every single protein in a human body.

>>8803225
>Your argument is getting silly and relying on a great deal of socio economic measurements that I van't be bothered to go through here.

oh so basically

>I disagree with you, but I can't prove you wrong, so I'll just say I'm too busy to do so

>>8806847
The thing is, the genetical difference between a black man compared to a caucasian is neglectable, they are functionally identical genetically. The "we are 97% the same as apes because we share the same amount of DNA" thingy is retarded anyway, because sure, the material of the DNA is the same, but DNA is a lot more than just its material. It is affected by its sequence order, its active and inactive parts, and a lot of other funky shit. Saying that apes and human are 97% similar is like saying the Bible is similar to Moby Dick because they share 97% of the words. They probably do (somewhere around that ballpark), but language does not just consist of words, but also of word order and how these words are used, etc.

>>8806860
i'm not taking a position on black genetics, i think they have yet to prove themselves but that it's entirely possible that they will, but there are examples like the siberian silver foxes or whatever where a few generations of artificial selection can produce incredible changes in the behavior of the animals, and I bet that those differences are much smaller than the difference between vastly separated populations of humans.

>>8806860
>The thing is, the genetical difference between a black man compared to a caucasian is neglectable

That's your opinion, not a "thing".

>>8806890
Selective breeding is incredibly more focused on achieving a change than natural selection is though. Also, human populations aren't nearly as separated as you'd thing, especially since we found out how to cross long distances in short amounts of time.

>>8806898
Fair enough. The point is: black people are the same humans that caucasians are. And since they are humans, they have human rights. I just wrote that to avoid some kind of slippery slope that some people seem to aim for when going for the "apes are 97% humans and blacks are closer to apes bla bla bla" approach.

>>8806923
>And since they are humans, they have human rights.
Is this you?

>>8806934
Nah, I am being sincere. Human rights are phrased to be universally covering all humans. The best way to define a human is genetically, and genetically black people are humans.

What is there to disagree with? No memes please.

>>8806941
>human rights
ebin

>>8806947
I said no memes. Please elaborate.

>>8806953
>(((I))) said

>It's a "/pol/ finds out Zizek doesn't like multiculturalism but he is still a communist so that means he is a kike" episode

Read: "First as tragedy, then as Farce", "Violence" and "Welcome to the Desert of the Real".

dank you very much

>>8806957
We can debate the existence of individuals another time, but if you are unable to elaborate what you have against the idea of human rights you are not getting us anywhere. :(

>>8806970
>you are not getting (((us))) anywhere

>>8806752
Everyone has been fucking over and benefiting from other's loss since time immemorial. If we're to try and call those debts as you suggest, everyone would be indebted to everyone. It's retarded and meaningless.

>>8806784
>be shitty Afghan
>realize if you pretend to be Syrian french govt will literally pay you to rape their women
>pretend to be Syrian
truly galvanizes one's cognition

>>8803159
>For the same reason you don't throw retard babies to the wolves. It's not nice to be mean to other people.
Not throwing retard babies to the wolves is how the world got into the state it's in.

The trouble is there's a lot of retard babies, and they grow up if you let them.

>>8803159

>Implying I don't throw retard babies to the wolves

Ares looks down upon you in scorn and disappointment, you suckling boy of Athens.

>>8806984
So, basically, no one should be responsible for anyone? Stop trying to turn this into absolutes. I am not talking about anyone having to do anything, I am talking about moral hypocrisy. And sure, I can't do anything about the holocaust, so feeling guilty about that is retarded, but I can be active in my own time and oppose the things that are caused by my environment.

>>8806779
Dunno, most of my Syrian m8s are PhD and shit from before all that war shit.

Canada isn't as bad as the US btw, but it's still not perfect. I'd also point out just how cagey that language in the wiki article is for US literacy, it's likely on the lower end of the 65-85% range there. Germany's probably in a similar boat with their retarded hauptschule shit.

>>8807216
>Germany's probably in a similar boat with their retarded hauptschule shit.
Well, you need to be able to read to finish the Hauptschule. I'm pretty sure literaricy in Germany is above 95%.

>>8807260
>literaricy
Really, sincerely, thank you anon.

>you need to be able to read to finish the Hauptschule
It's not a prison anon. And I think most places literacy is a prereq for graduating school. Probably shouldn't be high school though. They had trouble as well in the US with teachers doing assessments and just passing kids, so another possibility there.

>>8806958
>Zizek doesn't like multiculturalism
it seems that he actually DOES like it, but likes when people are respectful and a melting pot can ensue. He's seeing real borders between cultures, and doesn't want people to ignore them because the response will be an extreme right wing one, one he thinks is tragic

>>8807331
Melting pot is different to multiculturalism.

He wants some R E S P E C T of other cultures and for westerners (of which he totally is one) to be more respectful looking east.

>>8807321
>It's not a prison anon.
But it is enforced by the state. If you don't go to school without giving a reason why, the police will come knocking at your door after a few days.

Also, wasn't the old tv ad "Drei Millionen Menschen in Deutschland können nicht richtig lesen und schreibe."? So it is 3/82 million. That's about 4%.

>>8807348
I'm just really not sold on the hauptschulen desu senpai. It's a bit blame game, but those are muh feels.

>>8807362
You watch too much TV.

>>8807388
I don't watch TV tho...

>>8807162
I agree, the refugees should pay reparations for the ISIS terror attacks in europe.

>>8807401
Then you watched to much TV back in the day when comedy was all about making fun of Hauptschule.

>>8807406
Don't be facetous. The refugees have in no way benefitted from terrorism.

>>8807411
>The refugees have in no way benefitted from terrorism.
ISIS and the other violent islamists is the only reason they're even allowed to go to europe. Especially the people who aren't even from syria.

>>8807423
>ISIS and the other violent islamists is the only reason they're even allowed to go to europe.
It reads like you're a petulant child.

>>8807439
nice whining faggot

>>8807442
Yes, that's what I said.

>>8807439
>>8807446

Observe how the guiltmonger, when faced with an argument he cannot respond to, instead stoops to vacant insults. Truly, this is the new european man.

>>8807411
>Don't be facetous. The refugees have in no way benefitted from terrorism.
Yes they have, their quality of life in Europe is much higher than back home. Most of the refugees are opportunistic men, plenty aren't even Syrian. Arguing this is absurd, they have definitely benefitted from terrorism.

And most westerners HAVEN'T benefited from bombing the middle east, so why should the western everyman be responsible? Your cuck-thinking doesn't hold up at all.

>>8807455
That's a very interesting point anon, would you care to expand on that idea?

>>8807162
>So, basically, no one should be responsible for anyone?
Anything less is fundamentally unfair, so yes. Trying to correct the world is delusional arrogance of the highest order, someone will always be slighted in the exchange.

>>8807486
They were doing pretty well in a lot of way. No 2008 crisis fallout, I think unemployment was pretty low too even before that.

>>8807455
That's not me though.

>>8807423
I do not think the terror attacks in France are the reason refugees are allowed into Europe - quite the opposite actually, stuff like that is why Europe is getting more and more strict on the matter.

But anyway, ISIS attacks of the magnitude of what happened in France happen in Syria every other week. "Benefitting" from that would be pretty cynic phrasing. ISIS has nothing to do with the general syrian population, so they are not to blame for the ISIS attacks.

And yes, some refugees are not from Syria, which is why the european governments are working on sending them back.

>>8807497
Sounds legit. I mean, terrorism is spontaneous, right? It has nothing to do with domestic conditions.

>>8807423
>Being this deluded
lel

>>8807508
>being this deluded about delusions
kek

>>8807510
>being this deluded about delusions about delusions
ha ha

>>8807508
>>8807510
>being purely ideological

>>8807508
The fact that most refugees are young able bodied men instead of women and children, and that they aren't even from the affected areas but posing as refugees, and that they don't stop once in a safe country but look to immigrate further to somewhere with more and better benefits -- is suggestive of opportunism. This IS an opportunity for them, brought about by terrorism. Pretend otherwise if you want, it just shows how cucked you are. These people could have otherwise never been able to live in England, to have such a drastic chance at social mobility. They've benefitted plenty and demand more, that their host countries change to become more like their ruinous homes. In time that will be clearer and clearer.

>>8807501
>ISIS has nothing to do with the general syrian population
And I have nothing to do with some arms dealer, just because we share a "government" you retarded mutt.
>>8807501
And yes, some refugees are not from Syria, which is why the european governments are working on sending them back.
yeah sure lol

>>8807525
>These people could have otherwise never been able to live in England, to have such a drastic chance at social mobility.
There's really not that many getting through, and I live in the refugee capital by a lot of counts Challenge: Try and name the meme author(s) with a connection to here

Considering they're mostly kids it's a lot of kids, but it's nothing compared to Calais. and in turn nothing compared to Southern and Eastern Europe, and in turn nothing compared to the Lebanon.

>>8807541
>there's not that many getting through
>their home countries weren't that bad
you bore me with your feeble and vacous rationalizations

you offer nothing but well wishing

wish away

>>8807541
>Considering they're mostly kids it's a lot of kids
holy fuck lmao

>>8807556
>their home countries weren't that bad
Syria's p bad bro, I'm not hopping the other way. Even with all those Kurdish qts around.

I'm also not sure what is so rational about my own experience.

>>8807486
>Yes they have, their quality of life in Europe is much higher than back home.
Syria was actually a pretty decent land to live in before shit went down. I mean, I am not saying it was as good as middle Europe, but I am not sure if I would call it a benefit to have to live in fear of death and injury, possibly losing friends or loved ones, losing basically everything you have and having to start from scratch just to arrive at better living conditions. I mean, yeah, the Germany is definately a better place to be in than pre-ISIS Syria, but if you have to go through hell to get there...

And yes, there are other people coming in aswell. That's a dilemma. But the bereaucratic effort is great enough already. Trying to filter the right refugees from the wrong ones takes pretty long.

>And most westerners HAVEN'T benefited from bombing the middle east
Western gun manufacturers sell their guns into the middle east, earn money of which the western governments get a share due to taxes, from which western infrastructure is built. I would call that a benefit. I am not saying that gun sales finance the entire western society, but the west definately benefits from these deals.

>>8807495
And what about the stuff that you are able to prevent that are happening in your lifetime?

>>8807525
>how cucked you are.
Opinion disregarded lel

>>8807525
But they are not allowed to stay in these countries they come from. Which is why they move to other places. Notice how most refugees are in Syrian border countries?

>>8807530
>yeah sure lol
Just because it is not widely talked about at the palces where you are getting your news doesn't mean it does not happen. "European government working on solving the refugee crisis" does not make for great eye catching headlines compared to "16 year old writes on facebook that she was raped by an african behind the gas station".

>>8807559
It's as surreal as that sentence. It's not nice seeing kids coming out of lorries on the side of the motorway, it's not normal.

>>8807591
Syria isn't a massive country, but the surrounding countries are also quite small and not always able to feed everyone. And they're also having to deal with Daesh.

>>8805563>>8805563
what would you call speculative realism then. i am no adherent either.

>>8805566
thank you for your elaborate criticism

>>8802319
this is very slurpy, wtf

he didn't use to be so slurpy

is it schtick or what?

it's disgusting, regardless

>>8807591
>But they are not allowed to stay in these countries they come from.
Yes they are, you liar. But the benefits are often way lower, that's why they don't.

And let's not pretend illegal migrants are a new thing that started with the Syrian conflicts. Hundreds of thousands of Africans have been coming to Europe for years.

>Everything is ideology XD
>Not taking 1 trillion of uneducated dumb third worlders makes you scum. This is not ideological.
>Btw Atheism is the only ethical stance XD
>*tips fedora*
>*Bitches about the buzzword of choice(neoliberalism/fascists)*
How can people take this moron seriously?

>>8808037
>Yes they are, you liar.
No, not always. Most European countries have a threshold of how many immigrants they are accepting. Germany doesn't, which is why so many refugees go there.

Now I am not saying there are no refugees who want to use this to their advantage. And I am not saying there are no people pretending to be from Syria. But the thing is, shutting down humanitarian programs because there are people abusing it is absurd. Do you also shut down public health programs because there are people abusing it? Cut all unemployment support because some people are too lazy to work? Of course not. Instead you work on optimizing these systems, and that is just what (atleast Germany) is trying to do. But in the mean time, there isn't enough bureaucratic manpower to handle the large numbers of refugees that can't just be left ignored. Since our Grundgesetz states that people who flee from war or persecution shall be granted exile (and no, since the Grundgesetz does not generalize a group of people for sharing a nationality, you cannot just say they are all criminals and should be treated as enemies), we have to let them in - which, at first, usually means squeezing them into camps with terrible living conditions where they have to wait for slow bureaucratic processes to examine their background, give them licenses to stay, to work, to study, etc.
You see, it isn't just a problem with an easy solution like shutting down the borders around Germany. (Ignoring the massive damage that would do to our economy, how would you even do that?) It is called a crisis for a reason.
The biggest mistake the German government made was not properly preparing for a refugee crisis like this when it was fairly predictable.

>Hundreds of thousands of Africans have been coming to Europe for years.
Well, and Europe has been doing very well for years. If that is your argument I don't see the problem at all.

>>8808127
>How can people take this moron seriously?
By not just summing up his points with ironic meme arrow shitposting. Do you actually expect to get any meaningful discussion out of making posts like this?

>>8808147
>Implying that there is any subtance in Zizek's work

>>8808169
I'm not even saying that. But that post was just retarded.

>>8807216

>Dunno, most of my Syrian m8s are PhD and shit from before all that war shit.

Their degrees are worthless. There are all sorts of "lawyers" and "MBAs" and "engineers" working at 7-11 and subway because schools in the Middle East or South Asia are glorified degree mills. Everyone and their dog gets a "PhD" in brown countries. It's a meaningless prestige certificate for the upper classes.

>for US literacy, it's likely on the lower end of the 65-85% range there

That's because the US is packed to the gunnels with blacks and hispanics who bring the average down.

>>8808977
I met most of them in undergrad in a top tier uni tho. I don't think many to any do PhDs in Syria bit I never really thought to ask. They've completed them too, no one works at a 7-11, all good jobs afaik.

>>8800780
this guy has an unparalleled ability to ramble on and on about nothing while chaining alleged examples of international crises, political events, and elements of pop culture together in order to build a semblance of coherency.

>>8809609
Dunno, I've seen worse. Never seen anything else by Zizec, but the message here is rather clear: we can't avoid talking about some of the problems of the refugee crisis because otherwise that would strengthen right populism.

Zizek strikes me as a bunch of bullshit masquerading as meaningful. I can't put into words why this is yet, but I think it's telling how his conversational reference points are unfailingly communist regimes of the past. It's like a fetish for him or something. A person can't express a view that is unusual for them individually without him saying it reminds him of Stalinist Russia in some way.

>>8810497
>but I think it's telling how his conversational reference points are unfailingly communist regimes of the past. It's like a fetish for him or something
He usually talks about movies. Anyway, I'm not entirely certain what you're talking about, could you give an example?

>>8810510
You're right, he does make reference to pop culture and a variety of other things. I'm trying to say that communism seems tellingly to be the all-encompassing prism through which he views everything.

As far as specific examples, I recently saw a video where Julian Assange pitted Zizek against some other guy. He seemed to be continually regressing back to that handful of reference points, almost compulsively, it seemed to me. Everything reminds him of Stalin or somebody else. He's always phrasing things like "here even you are a socialist", "here even you like Mao".

Again, I can't satisfactorily verbalize why this bothers me intuitively and I'm not hugely well-read on philosophy or political theory, so I can't hang with the jargon and shan't try to, but it just seems significant to me that he is so markedly preoccupied with certain things.

>>8806690
stop being a faggot you added nothing to the discussion

>>8803377
Kill and eat the weak.