/lit/ - Literature

That's the gayest shit I've ever heard. Enjoy your alimony payments you fucking retard.

Well you know your gf better than us, but it sounds cute to me. I say go for it.

>>7832222
>I am going to propose to my girlfriend this week

Quads speak the fucking truth

OP, we made a contain board for you, use it >>>/lgbt/

>>7832214
>>begin thinking about marriage
>>we're very open with our thoughts etc and talk about it sometimes
>>she implies she likes the idea of getting married

have you discussed other important things? like kids, family, the future etc? a marriage proposal shouldn't really be a surprise--just the actual time/method of it


but yeah, the proposal is fine--I'm sure she'll get it considering it's how you met

>>7832222
>>7832254
>>/b/

>>7832214
it's cute OP but you could do better

>>7832262
Yes we've discussed it but not in a practical, serious way. I know it might be a little retarded on my part but for the past year I've been saving money every month so that I can afford a ring and so on. I really am in love with this girl and want to love her and be loved by her for the rest of my life. As for kids we both had pretty unstable upbringings but she has said previously that she thinks I'd make a good father, and I've said she would make a good mother and that she seems like a maternal person.

>>7832378
What else could I do? I would hand her the book on the holiday we're going on btw. We're going to Ravenna (Italy) for five days and I plan on pretending I took the book as a holiday read and taking it with me in my jacket when we go for a picnic or something (we often lie in the park during warm weather and read) and either waiting for her to comment on it or asking her casually if she remembers it.

>>7832397
>we often lie in the park during warm weather and read

I think this is good enough.
Just ask if she remembers. The first time you met and so on.
Then ask something about the book and give it to her.
She will open and see the ring and she will polite say no

>>7832397

Are you literally fucking retarded? You are far immature for these big-grown up things

>>7832214
So you're going to destroy a perfectly good book all so that your 'girlfriend' (yeah okay) can look at your blankly in total dismemory of the way you all met. So that she can smiley cheekily and say 'anon, I didn't know we were dating'...FLASHBACK every intimate moment you ever had with her was actually in public or at an event where you just both happened to be or with a large group of people that you've conveniently written out of your history and are only now remembering to the fullest detail. It was actually your chad roommate who asked her for the book (he sat inbetween you and her) and you read it on his downtime in your suite together. Oh yeah, and then you notice, he's sitting here too in the room with you. He's on the vacation also and not even behind your back or anything like that. He's been there the whole time and you knew it too, deep down.

>>7832222
Kek

>>7832214
this sounds fine

>>7832783
take your meds anon

BUMP

Idea's fine.

>>7832214
I love those pics of young Jeff Mangum
Is that his sister or his girlfriend?
maybe both, considering his lyrics

>>7835245
It's Anne Frank

>>7832214
The intention of making it a personal gesture is good but, anon, hollowing out the book?

No. That is trashy and tacky at the same time.

If you can find another way with this idea then fine, but that is just ugly.

Maybe you should talk to her friends about this. Like another anon said it shouldn't surprise her completely that you are going to propose, just when and how.

Also why the fuck are you spending so much money on a ring nigga are you serious do you think this is 1993 or something?

Get that material shit out of here and keep that money for everything else you will need to do that will matter when getting married.

I don't mean the fucking ceremony.

For fuck sakes a hollowed book.

ummmmm, wow. girl here and this is not okay.....just dont do that. buy the ring and propose to her after a dinner date at night or something. light some candles, make it romantic....but this.....wow...do guys seriously think we find this sort of thing cute!?!? like haha. lol! *sigh* ugh

>>7835259
>cute!?!? like haha. lol! *sigh* ugh

Trying way too hard here.

>>7835260
>>>/r9k/

>>7832214
Marriage is a trap.

>>7835272
Enjoy arriving home from work to a cold, silent house when you're 35 and your looks have faded and nobody gives you a second glance any more. Meanwhile I will open the front door and have my bright, handsome, respectful children rush to grasp my legs and celebrate my arrival as my wife, in an apron with a little flour on her cheeks from baking, appears to give me the routine but by no means unintimate kiss we share each morning and each evening after the day's work has concluded, and whispers that she has some food cooking that'll be ready in 30 minutes but before then she has the bath running for me. You will literally never experience the sheer delight of reading to your qt well-mannered children at night before returning to the master bedroom to whisper in bed with your qt wife about your lives and your hopes for the future. But hey, enjoy your "red pill" my man. I'm sure you'll find anime just as entertaining when you're 40.

>>7835259
>girl here

>pic related is your vagina

>See this image >>7835260
>Think "I hope I get to us that soon"
>Literally 3 posts later>>7835332
>Pic related

>>7835332
>he thinks that's how it's gonna be

>>7832222
quads of truth

>>7835332
why do you do this to me

>>7835332
>as my wife, in an apron with a little flour on her cheeks from baking


Nah, I was about to be sad for a second but there's no way this happens to any married man.

>>7835424
Do what to you my man?

I mean the fact is if you don't marry someone you truly love and who truly loves you in return you are likely to spend your life living a state of perpetual adolescence, forever repressing your natural, human, healthy desire to find a loving mate and to experience the one sensation, love, that for so many people, probably most, is the main justification for living a life that is otherwise characterized by struggle, humiliation, anxiety and disillusion. But then again maybe for some reason you won't enjoy a married life. Perhaps the idea of waking up on your fortieth birthday to find your two polite, optimistic, energetic, loyal children awkwardly carrying a birthday cake between them and trying not to giggle and lose their balance as your qt wife videotapes your reaction to both the cake-bringing and their attempt to sing "Happy Birthday To You" without giggling or forget their place. Maybe you'd prefer to wake up alone on your fortieth birthday, lying in bed for an hour in a dim, silent room before finally getting out and asking yourself again what reasons you have to go shower and dress and buy groceries alone. And when you do finally shower and dress and trudge down to the grocery store to pick up your meals-for-one and a basketful of food only you will prepare and eat, you will likely pass by the type of person you secretly, biologically, instinctively and reasonably want to be, the guy whose cute, petite wife tugs his arm as they walk down an aisle pushing a loaded trolley and picks out some food they haven't eaten in a while and suggests she cook something using said food. You may even end up standing behind this happy, contented, mutually loving couple as you wait to buy for your goods. And while you spend another day posting on 4chan and trying to silence the thoughts which attempt to distract you from reading or listening to music and urge you instead to seek out the love you have never experienced, that couple, happily married, will sit quietly in the same room, each reading a book or magazine and respecting the other's desire to read in relative peace, before finally cooking a meal together or ordering take-out and dragging the quilt into the living room the way they did when they first met to watch Charlie Kaufman's latest movie as it rains softly at first against the window pane before a storm approaches towards the movie ends and finally breaks into thunder and lightning and thick heavy rain as they lie silently in bed comforted by each other's presence and warmth as you lie crying, clutching a pillow whose cover you have not changed in at least a month, praying that your dream that night will involve a girl who you find attractive and who finds you attractive in return.

>>7835496
>>>/r9k/

>>7835606
To need love is infantile

>>7835606
haha jokes on you cause i'll kill myself before 40

>>7835611
?

>college
>getting married
Wew lad

>>7835623
Maybe the joke will be on me, but existentially speaking the joke is on us all kiddo. And while you kneel sobbing on the floor of some rented apartment, taping around the frame of each window so the gas from the unlit oven won't escape, hearing your elderly landlady's television at full volume playing some program in which the audience routinely cheer and applaud and boo I will be helping my good-natured, virtuous, ambitious but uncertain son with his homework or narrating to him some aspect of my personal history which relates to an aspect of his own life in which he is presently struggling, probably to do with some girl who he is besotted by but too nervous and self-defeating to talk to. I'll be chuckling, dressed in warm clothing while the fire crackles nearby and my wife and young daughter throw a tennis ball for our pet collie to retrieve down the end of our long, neat and flourishing garden, and my son will arrive home from school the following week full of energy and wild enthusiasm and tell me how he has arranged a date with the girl he told me so much about and I will tell my wife and we will pretend not to pay too much attention as he bounds downstairs wearing some of my cologne in a shirt his mother has just ironed and she and I, in love as ever, will rush to the window to watch him cycle to the girl's house a few streets away where he and she and her religious parents and aspergic younger brother will play board games and discuss regional politics until her mother says "Oh dad!" and drags him away to her room to listen to Moot the Hopple while lying on their backs on her bedroom floor and while my wife, my daughter, my dog and I go get ice cream and sit eating it at a picnic bench along a river on the outskirts of town, laughing as our dog leaps into the river and emerges to shake his wet body close enough to make us all instinctively cover our bodies and yell "Rover!"

>>7835643
You've invested a lot in this fantasy
I bet you shatter beautifully when it fails

>>7835643
>>7835606
>>7835332
take your meds anon

>>7835656
Oh it may fail, considering contemporary divorce rates it would be naive to be convinced of its longevity, but the fact is kiddo my wife and I, whose love is reinforced and reassured daily by subtle gestures and implications, are so close, so intimately attuned to each other's respective existence, that nothing short of some drastic chance in biological disposition will make either one of us feel less warmly towards the other. It seems like you've never been in love. Huh. Must be weird never to experience the thing that almost every novel, every song, every film and so much more is dedicated to preserving, articulating and paying tribute to. Oh I suppose you'll talk about chemicals and the infinite magnitude of the university and our respective insignificance to it and to biological urges and psychological weaknesses and all the kind of stuff I'd expect some young guy who has compensated for his lack of personality and empathy and willingness to relate to others by reading books (or at least their online summaries) with an eye to justifying his hollow, drifting, blank, numb, empty, waste of a life. But hey who's to say you won't judge when a girl smiles at you and communicates to you her willingness to oversee your flaws and to nurture that aspect of your character that was once its dominant feature and was the reason so many people reacted warmly to you and valued you and generally thought of you as an alright guy and which has subsequently dissapeared off the radar in terms of those aspects of your character which are most predominant, maybe this girl will have some ability to appreciate the fact that you were once a nice, outgoing guy and will be willing to encourage you to be one once again, but at that point it's down to you kiddo. Either you allow love into your life and allow that life can be beautiful and fantastic and is able to reflect the mental image you have of what it would ideally be like or you can sulk and pity your little self in the silent, lonely privacy of your cluttered room.

>>7835683
I've been in love a few times. Rn a girl loves me but I could care less about her. This position is highly advantageous.

>>7835735
Clock's ticking my man.

>>7832214
>>intend to hollow a ring-shaped space in the centre of the book and hand it to her casually hoping she gets the reference
Don't destroy the book. Attach the ring to it but don't destroy it.

Also
>sends me photos of the final page and says she only needs a few more days
>a few days to finish a page

>>7835763
>a few days to finish a page

Do you not understand humour? Must suck being autistic.

>>7835332
>>7835606
>>7835643
>>7835683
>housewife
>kids
>stereotypical 50s nuclear family
top pleb

>>7835807
>criticizing traditional values

Please leave.

>>7835847
>>>/pol/

>>7835752
I'm not a woman, I have plenty of time on my clock at 23

>>7835850
>a proven system of raising children that works is politically incorrect

What a time to be alive

>>7835863
>raising children
That's where you fucked up.

>>7835868
>being an edgy fourteen year old

>>7835872
>being a naive 13 year old

NOT LITERATURE FUCK OFF FAGGOT

>>7835868
>Continuing the human race
>Fucking up
Grow up

>>7835875
>being a tryhard sperm cell

>>7835868
How about programming children? Having the state design children on the macro level is ineffective. Having a parent with much more invested in a child leads to better people. But I'm expecting too much from commies who can't into past mistakes, I'm sure it will be different this time.

>>7835875
Holy fuck you are stupid

>>7835863
>he thinks capitalism needs the nuclear family still

lmao top pleb

>>7835807
>>7835850
>>7835868
Underage b&

>>7835892
>Implying the nuclear family isn't the best way to raise a family in the modern world

>>7835892
See
>>7835881

>>7835878
>>7835880
>>7835881
>>7835887
>>7835893
>>7835897
>>7835899
Stay spooked

>>7835892
Capitalism has freed us from the binds of the nuclear family. Now each member is an independent consumer demographic, each to be marketed to and defined as an isolated type, each encouraged to establish his or her "brand" in the marketplace of human relations.

>>7835901
stirner pls go

>>7835897
>thinking 'the best way' (existentially speaking) is the one that is most conducive to the accumulation of capital

tears

back to >>>/trebbit/ with your idealistic notions, cuckold

>>7835902
>Nuclear family
>A bind

>Hyperindividualism
>A good thing

>>7835902
yeah, that's my point bud

>>7835903
>>7835907
>good
Spooked

>>7835905
So, what's a better way? Sorry, I'm fresh off the boat from reddit, as you have guessed, since my opinions differ from yours.

>>7835902
Except the few families that have been accumulating wealth for centuries. Do as I say not as I do.

>>7835914
Better to whom? You or rich capitalist swine?

>>7835920
To me.
Nuclear family:
>Support structure
>Housekeeper/assistant
>Sex
>Children, allowing you to carry on your values and legacy and feel like you're doing something greater
Hyperindividualism:
>More money
>More stuff
>Less responsibility
It's all about what appeals to you. And besides, with dual incomes and tax cuts, more money is likely earned in a marriage.
Besides, don't you want kids to be amazed at your literary capabilities?

>>7835907
Nuclear Families reduce the woman to a serf laboring for her husband / patriarch. Her allowance is dictated by her husband, as are the allowances of her children. A capitalist society frees both the women and children by respecting them as consumers first and foremost. No longer are the children's consumer preferences dictated by the father and mother, no more is the more's spending power diminished by her husband's definition of what constitutes a satisfactory allowance. With both adults working they can both spend and contribute to the economy. The children also become free agents, marketed to as representatives of their demographic, their purchase power significant considering the amount of time they have free to themselves and their natural desire to belong to their social group (said belonging represented by the consumption of various goods, items of clothing, etc). It's an ideal situation: each human being exists solely to produce and consume, completely isolated from one another, their longing for human companionship controlled, idealogically and psychologically to varied extents, by consumer forces which define who is and who is not a good consumer and thus an attractive mate. Long live the healthy economy.

>>7835954
go away ayn rand

t. butthurt feminist

>>7835965
>>>/pol/

>>7835959
Will not. Loneliness and isolation has done wonders for the economy and I only hope the neurosis and psychological burden of feeling it necessary to meet the standards set by the capitalist economy continues to intensify, making the age at which a citizen becomes a consumer younger and younger, the temperamental and unreliable regulatory function of his / her parents removed so that they are free to spend spend spend to possess those things he / she feels are necessary to be a valid human being. It's a glorious economic triumph. I picture the future and what I see are masses of human beings, living isolated lives in dense urban environments, their wages kept low so that no money is wasted in saving or other economically hostile activities, their misery compounded by the repeated message that they are worthless pathetic failures due to the fact they are not spending every single penny of their earnings on contributing to the economy either by purchasing goods or new experiences.

>>7835954
I don't understand the meme that women should have the honor of working. The only reason why women have to work today is because the USD has become so inflated in terms of income that you need two sources of income to pay for a house, healthcare, a car, and the resources needed for a child.

If I had the choice of working or not working some shit tier McJob and focus on improving myself and the people around me, I would do the latter. Yet it's some great achievement that women can now slave away just as much as men do. Congratulations for now being equal, enjoy your stay.

>>7835988
Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven

>>7835984
fuck off, marxist idiot tumblrina.

capitalism is the best thing, and the nuclear family is good too. and it works together

take the redpill and see the 1950s, that was capitalist white man utopia. WE can make America great again

>>7835949
I don't require so much validation that I am forced into continuing the cycle of suffering that is life by the weakness of my ego, unlike you

>>7835990
Or in your case, have the illusion of reigning in hell.

>>7835990
And yet I am a servant of satan

>>7835996
Not if you're unspooked

>>7835970
>>>/reddit/

>>7836010
>>>/r/redpill

>>7835990
kek the butthurt
it's against your nature honey
atop trying to be what you aren't

>>7836012
>>>/r/twoxchromosomes

>>7836014
>>>/reddit/
>>7836016
>>>/r/pol

>>7835990
>buttshattered feminist roastie detected

listen sweetheart, perhaps this place is too triggering for you.

men value rationality on here, and women are inherently emotional. So kid, go back to where you came from whatever safe space that is, okay sweetie?

*shows you the door*

>>7836008
Again the memeposting. How can you be reigning in hell as some human resources manager for a corporation that is not making any money and has to resort to acquisitions and mergers to keep their stock afloat? How can you be a ruler if your currency is cucked by people who don't give a fuck about the long term and will gladly sell your nation's worth when it stops being valuable?

Again I don't understand how you are in control when at any time the illusion can fall apart leaving you utterly helpless. You've been sold a lie by academics who have been living in a bubble for three generations now.

>>7835990
post tits

>>7835988
The mark of a successful man in economic and social terms is a man who possesses the greatest economic efficiency and the greatest erotic potential. Women already possess the latter rather easily, and in order to be true feminists and to meet what they perceive to be the objective standard of success, the decision to inflict themselves on the work force is, in their eyes, a sign that they too are now meeting the definition of success. As a consequence many of those men who meet the standard of economic success tend to fall to the wayside as they are, on the whole, more likely to be erotic losers, and thus overlooked or discarded. The necessary callousness of an intensely competative economy means that the natural structure of a relationship no longer consists of a rather moody, cold man and a tender, accommodating wife but a pair of busy, cold, moody individuals with no compensatory individual in their lives to take their mind from their work. These individuals consequently find it much more difficult to flirt with and fall in love with one another, and so economic competition is transferred rather easily to the erotic sphere, whereby the struggle to attain the greatest commodities and experiences also extended to the struggle to attain the greatest mating partner.

>>7836019
*grabs your the throat*
BACK THE FUCK OFF?
>>7836021
>materalism
>>7836024
I'm a man

>>7832214
how about you look at her and say:

I chased you, in our beginning, for a book.
*take a knee*
I am chasing you now for your heart.

>>7836017
>>>reddit.tumblr.com
Captcha: 911
k e k

>>7836031
>>>/r/mgtow

>>7836028
can't tell if b8

>>7836034
>>>/r/suicidewatch

>>7836026
And the next step in this scenario would be men disregarding women entirely and having children with artificial wombs.

where did the thread derail

>>7836026
And this is considered a good thing?

>>7836041
Actually I detail the "next step" rather thoroughly in the novel I am writing. I hesitate to go into detail because I don't want my ideas stolen or associated with this thread, but I assure you they are both insightful and profound.

>>7836040
Every time I see this quotation I feel the need to say that, ironically, Socrates, probably more than any other individual to have ever lived, promoted ideas which castigated the physical appearance at the expense of the 'mind'.

>According to Nietzsche, the history of mankind falls, as it were, into two halves — the period preceding Socrates, during which the public estimate of a man was always based upon his biological worth, and the period following Socrates, during which the public estimate of a man always tended to neglect or ignore his biological worth. How Socrates changed the point of view in order to make things tolerable for himself (a degenerate specimen) I have already explained in these pages. Thus, Nietzsche claimed that the Socratic way of looking at men which ignored their biological worth, or regarded it as negligible, was a way which favored degenerates, just as it had favored the great degenerate who first instituted it; and the German philosopher advocated a return to the pre-Socratic values which, by being concentrated on biological worth, would combat and eliminate degeneracy.

>>7836047
I'm assuming you're a female and can tell you that most modern men look at women as something they want to or don't want to fuck. Then after doing the mattress mambo for a bit, they decide to get into a more serious relationship.

Take away the lust part and introduce the ability to have children in another way and it probably won't lead to whatever Aryn Rand erotica you think will happen.

>>7836046
It is definitely a good thing.

Vague, abstract and therefore unworthy notions like "community" and "privacy" are being done away with and replaced by frank, objective, economic facts. Each individual should exist as a monad, entirely isolated from his peers unless an exchange of currency is involved or unless the exchange is likely to result in a potential consumer being born. Economic considerations take precedent over vague social ideals.

>>7836055
Yeah Ik, I just like the quote mang
chill

>>7836061
t. scientist
>>>/r/atheism
>>7836028
post feminine penis

>>7836061
If you think there's any objective economic facts today, I have a bunch of shitcoins to sell you.

>>7832214
>be in college
stopped reading

>>7836030
I would word this differently, but I love this, cheese and all.

I'm sure there's a way to incorporate the book still, attach the ring to the last page in the book, go hiking to a remote part, and show her the book.

For the rest of the comments, love is a foolish thing, but applying logic to it even more foolish.

Op here.

Wow this thread exploded. We're actually finishing off our packing right now, heading to the airport soon. I'm still unsure about the book thing but I am going to propose either way. Would anyone be interested in me posting another thread after I've done so?

>>7836145
Get a prenup bro.

>>7836145
Post pics of you two.

>>7836175
Sure! Here's one from last year.

>>7836189
Hmm not sure why it came out sideways.

>>7836189
>when she has a manlier jaw than you

>>7836189
Cute. I wish you a joyful marriage, and if you both value marriage as a one time for life + kids thing it should be one.

MODERN /LIT/ FUCKING FAGGOTY ASS SHIT

>>7836189
I give you 3 months at most.

>>7836189
Quality jawline, good choice anon

>>7835994
>I don't need any validation or community
>I can exist outside of the state as an individual entity, uninfluenced by my culture or community
>I am not bound by social acceptance
>I have left humanity behind
Get a load of this guy, lives completely for himself and still can't find meaning.