/lit/ - Literature

unfathomable

abominable

The early 2000's will be remembered as the social dark ages.

Acursed

>>7348137
Ivan is that you?

>>7348135
The award looked abysmal desu. But yeah, people suck.

>>7348141
this era is just bizarrely feminine

everything is about feelings and niceties and well-being over ambition or achievement or strength

it's really weird, we're gonna be seen as the Fag Generation by posterity. ten thousand years from now people are just going to dispassionately know that this was that historical period where hormones in processed food feminized three generations of men and caused a complete collapse of civilisation.

/pol/ is right about ONE thing, i just don't know which

Damn...really? Considering a he's done for the genre?

>>7348135

But they still allow a SLAVEOWNER'S face to be represented on the fucking quarter, the fuck is up with that?

>>7348143
No, I'm accursed.

>Instead of acknowledging that many of the greatest and most influential writers of the past were racists, let's just try to remove them from history and pretend they never existed!

>>7348135
I never understood why he was pushing his lower lip with his tongue in this picture.

this makes me irrationally angry

He was a little hard on the Dutch.

>>7348135

>"avowed racist"

Okay

>"hideous opinions"

If you say so

>"a terrible wordsmith"

WOW WOW WHAT?

>>7348173
Lovecraft was a shitty writer.

>>7348154
Is someone pretending Lovecraft didn't exist

>>7348173
>>7348176
Lovecraft having purple prose is a meme

Lovecraft's prose was excellent and enjoyable and suited his subject perfectly

Come at me

>>7348135
Wasn't Lovecraftian horror a Tumblr-tier thing just an hour ago...?

>>7348180
We've always been at war with racists.

>>7348137
>>7348138
umm.. parable
(Do I fit in now guys?)

>>7348180
yes but its nothing to do with howard philips

>>7348148
> over ambition or achievement

u kidding m8 ? Ambition is one of the top 3 spooks in the US right now. It's all about how everyone of is going to change the world.

>>7348200
there has to be a difference between EVERYONE IS A CELEBRITY :^) TIME MAGAZINE'S PERSON OF THE YEAR IS YOU! WHY AREN'T YOU VLOGGING? TAKE MORE PICS OF YOURSELF!! =D and traditional hard working ambition toward concrete accomplishments

it's like gasset's mass man, he wants to be great in a sense sure, but he doesn't understand the idea of valuation external to himself, he only knows how to define greatness by himself a priori

>>7348135
Look at the ethnic name of the author of the story as well.
Oh well senpai we had a good run with civilization.

>>7348178
you're right senpai

but no one here reads so no one here knows, they just spout memes

>>7348155
Missing teeth? His top lip looks sunken in. A lot of people with missing teeth would pose for portraits/photos using bunched up cotton swabs in their mouths to puff up their lips and look more normal. Just a guess...

Why do minorities have to ruin everything? Why don't they just make their own stuff if the don't like ours? Why do they go around looking for things to destroy?

>>7348206
>but he doesn't understand the idea of valuation external to himself, he only knows how to define greatness by himself a priori

You could say the opposite, that we have forgotten how to value ourselves other than through the approval of others. No sense of self-valuation that is not first and foremost the validation of an external image

>>7348206
>but he doesn't understand the idea of valuation external to himself, he only knows how to define greatness by himself a priori

You could say the opposite, that we have forgotten how to value ourselves other than through the approval of others. No sense of self-valuation that is not first and foremost the validation of an external image

>>7348135
Perhaps it'd matter if it was another price.

>>7348231

> Implying it's minorities
> Not non-minority activists ruining things on the minorities behalf

>>7348240

Oh yeah, I forgot about that element. I have more contempt for those kinds of people, those career activists and outrage mongers.

C'mon...
>was a racist during a time that racism was normal as fuck, but since its now considered hideous, lets pretend he is an inhuman asshole and undervalue his work :^)

>>7348250
>tfw know a pair super hot and smart twins
>tfw they're both "community organizers" who instigate this stuff for money from shady benefactors
It's not even a conspiracy theory anymore.

Cool, identity-based bickering has made it to my corner of the world.

Put me down for "who gives a shit". Isn't this topic more suited to facebook?

>>7348273
>complacency
You're on a discussion forum. Why not discuss?

From now on I'm going full racist just to stick it to the establishment man, always bullying the poor white man

>>7348177
trying to unremember him

>>7348276

Not worth discussion. Everything's tainted by this now. Everyone's a racist. Everyone's sexist. Everyone's "SJW". It's tiresome.

>>7348289
Lovecraft was definitely a racist though, that's not in question. The question is whether that should be relevant when judging literary merit.

rate it /lit/

>>7348298
Not the same anon, but I dont think so. I wouldnt care if my surgeon was a nazi or if my hooker was a commie.

>>7348309
Evocative, perhaps too colorful.

>>7348309
Shit like most of Lovecraft's work.

>>7348178
>Lovecraft's prose was excellent
lolno
>and enjoyable
lolno
>and suited his subject perfectly
I'll give this though.

>>7348289
>basic empathy and human decency are exhausting

You must be fun to be around

"National Post"? More like, "Irrational Post", amirite?

>>7348443
fancy words for being a goody two-shoes (which no one likes)

>>7348443
Hypersensitivity and constant fear of maybe possibly offending someone are not empathy or decency.

>An author having 'purple prose' is bad for some reason

>>7348467
DUDE CTHULHU LMAO

>>7348467
it's bad when the author needs to be clear about details and flow of events. It's good when the author wants to be vague and describe things without actually describing them.

>"This is not about reading an author but about using that person’s image to represent an international award honouring the work of the imagination.”

Well there are few if any more recognizable or influential authors in fantasy than Lovecraft. Who the fuck identifies Lovecraft's personal racism before his actual work when they think of him? It's as relevant as Gandhi being a vegetarian when discussing his political goals.

>>7348443
> Let's jail those who lack empathy, that will show the fuckers how empathetic we are!

>>7348472
>It's good when the author wants to be vague and describe things without actually describing them.

This fits Lovecraft's subject matter perfectly given that he writes about otherworldly creatures that human beings are unable to comprehend.

An author having 'purple prose' is less a charge about their writing and more a reflection on small-minded people and their shit vocabulary.

I supposed /lit/ would be happy with this.

What's wrong with you guys? It's 2015 for g*d sake.

>>7348487
>g*d
we're all allegedly adults here. you can type it out.

>>7348492
He was roleplaying a jew you pleb.

Though in reality they usually render it as "G-d"

>>7348472

>it's bad when the author needs to be clear about details and flow of events.

But this doesn't describe Lovecraft's writing at all, you dipshit. Huge swathes of stories like "The Shadow over Innsmouth" or "At the Mountains of Madness" are devoted to detailed material descriptions and itineraries. I realize that now you are going to turn this around and moan about how his writing was dry, boring, and devoid of prosaic flourish, but I'm going to ignore your faggot shit and read more books. Have a bad day.

Guy should've written Monsters Manuals instead of fiction tbqh

>>7348512
Hahaha Omg bb i think that's enough internet time 4u today

Lovecraft believed that black people laid eggs.

>>7348154
We're any as vicious as Lovecraft?

>>7348534
We don't?

>>7348178
It didnt

>>7348298
Why the fuck would it? What else matters when judging what people writer other than what is written? Do commies get extra critique points? Do nazis? What about Japs or blacks?
This is just a load of bullshit and you know it.

>>7348135
I don't understand this generation of wanting to ban or shun things that make people uncomfortable. It seems terribly regressive.


Yes, Lovecraft was a racist, but in his era many people subscribed to those views. However, he bolstered a new form of writing and allowed for a more mainstream eye to look upon it.

One must separate the art from the artist. Should we ban Faulker because he was a misogynist? Should we tear up the pages of Céline because he had fascist leanings, no!


That being said, that award is fucking hideous, swap it with a design of Cthulu

>>7348534

No he didn't.

>>7348443
U HAV 2 SUCK LITERALLY EVERYONES FREEDOM PARTS OR UR EVIL OMGWTF

>>7348492
>you can type it out
Maybe he meant 'for goad sake', i.e., he's a member of the Cult of the Troll.

>>7348472
>It's good when the author wants to be vague and describe things without actually describing them.
That was Hot Pussy's intent.

His descriptions are extremely vague and more based upon instinctual understanding because he sought to create fear with mystery.

>>7348552
Some people are unable to understand that the general mindset changes along history.
It is impossible to think that Lovecraft lived in a different time and had a very different upbring and experiences that would lead someone to have the same toughts as he did. So of course he was a terrible racist that should be purged from the annals of history.
Also, people don't care about literally merit, not saying Lovecraft was some sort of genius, but he sure was unique at the time, today the only thing that matters is subscribing to the cool kid's ideas, actually, that is every period of history.

>>7348492
Lovecraft would make a good hitler. If only he painted a toothbrush moustache on.

>>7348178
I like Lovecraft, I have been reading him before bed lately.

But no it isn't a meme it is as true as true can be. Let's ingore the formulaic approach he has (I suspect out of any recent author his would be the easiest to counterfeit) He has some awfully cumbersome and clunky sentences, whole paragraphs even. In the semi autobiographical 'He' he makes at least a couple mentions of wanting to be a poet and derides the other poets in it saying

>and when I found the poets and artists to be loud-voiced pretenders whose quaintness is tinsel and whose lives are a denial of all that pure beauty which is poetry and art

Which is funny as he is an incredibly tone deaf writer.

>Out of the unimaginable blackness beyond the gangrenous glare of that cold flame, out of the Tartarean leagues through which that oily river rolled uncanny, unheard, and unsuspected, there flopped rhythmically a horde of tame, trained, hybrid winged things that no sound eye could ever wholly grasp, or sound brain ever wholly remember. They were not altogether crows, nor moles, nor buzzards, nor ants, nor vampire bats, nor decomposed human beings; but something I cannot and must not recall

You can see what he is trying to do with the repetition and alliterative quality ( maybe even an attempt at a pun?)

>Un, Un, Un, flopped rhythmically

The whole thing really. You may defend his repetition of the unknown but it's more likely he can't describe a thing for when we do get something it's just

>an inert mass of mangled flesh

Or whatever five words he can summon best.

What's up with these recent Lovecraft shitposts lately? I saw one describe Borges as 'Lovecraft on peyote' and then deride the former for his of dropping literary references while pretending Lovecraft isn't rife with them (sometimes misappllied)

Although I can't find anything detailing this online, I remember reading that Lovecraft abandoned his racist views later on in life, which I think should be taken into consideration when judging his character (but not necessarily what he wrote before the change.) If I'm remembering things correctly and he actually did change his mind, I'd like to see if he wrote anything about it, like a letter detailing what convinced him, or maybe a short story that had some themes about it. I don't think all the hatred for him is justified if the man eventually came to his senses, however late in his life he did.

Bump for more racism

>>7348676
nigra

>>7348135

>Complaining about writers from the late 1800's/early 1900's being racist

Who the fuck still does this? It was a different time, that's just how people thought at the time. It doesn't diminish their writing capabilities.

Aside from Shadow Over Insmouth and that one essay about eugenics, does Lovecraft really expouse his political views in any of his writing?

>>7348722

Well he had a cat called Niggerman i guess?

>>7348722

Retards

>>7348257
>was a racist during a time it was acceptable
most people weren't actually racist during that time period, just ignorant or apathetic

>>7348967

Calling someone a Nigger is racist even if you're ignorant and just think that's what Niggers are called with no ill will on your part.

Racism isn't intent, it's action.

>>7348970
lolno

>>7348977

kekyea

>>7348135
In the end, it's just a title lost to a dead man. It's a symbolic gesture that means nothing outside of the context of modern day.

People will still read lovecraft. Fuckin problem is the humanities in college circles are lorded over by narrow minded cunts that don't realize you can accept something's flaws and good traits equally and be better off for having considered both.

>>7348970
If you grew up in a vacuum and knew no better, you wouldn't be racist for using the word nigger. You're a dumbass.

>>7348970
>Racism isn't intent, it's action.
If I call every black person a nigger in my head, but treat them no different, I'm still a racist, dipshit.

>>7348316
Not gonna lie, I would be a little concerned if my surgeon was a Nazi. Especially if there were twins in the premises.

>>7349000

The ACTION of thinking is still an ACTION

>>7349002
Consider this scenario

I am forced to kill 10 people, but I have two rooms filled with black people and 10 filled with white people. If I flip a coin to decide, and end up killing all the black people, despite lacking any intent, but fulfilling an action, you define that as racist?

Reminder that if you're mad about this you're either defending racism or his writing, which is even worse

>>7348148
is that "hormones in processed food feminizing" thing an elaborate joke or something /pol/ people actually believe?

both probably, but why would anyone believe it?

>>7349017
>implying there aren't studies on the effects of xenoestrogens on foetal development and wildlife
lol nah, but if /pol/ believes it, it must be untrue

>>7348457
>>7348480
hey nice strawman there. We can all agree it's not alright to hurt people or make them feel unsafe. Speech does not exist in a separate dimension, unable to have an impact on the rest of the world. Speech is an integral part of larger social structures, which can sometimes be highly violent themselves.

>>7349033
link them please, most weird views /pol/ people have I've seen outside of 4chan too but that one is totally new to me

>>7348991
If you grew up in a vacuum you would die suffocated.

I'm trying to get my head around this. Imagine if it was the other way around. Imagine we were talking about a Middle Eastern writer from 1910 who expressed xenophobia towards white people. He would be considered to have "ideas from his time" but he would be let off the hook.

Hell there are still writers today who are xenophobic of white people and "the West" but get off the hook.

The problem with SJWs, aside from their overly-emotional authoritarianism, is that they only ever attack one group of people: white males.

>>7349047

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1240992/
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091302207000349
> However, in the case of xenoestrogens, there is mounting evidence for long-term consequences of early exposure at a range of doses.

Then again,
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691502000698
>The NIEHS/EPA Endocrine Disruptors Low Dose Peer Review Panel evaluated the relevant studies and concluded that while credible evidence exists for low dose effects of BPA, the effect had not been established as a “general and reproducible finding” based on the number and power of negative studies.
But it goes to show you, it's not just a 4chan meme.

>>7349043
what do you think of this song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyzgJq9Zi0w

>>7349066
Middle easterners, from the earliest empires in the region, had black slaves. There's a derogatory term for darker skinned folks born of a master and an african concubine specific to the middle east because they had -so many fucking slaves-.

>>7349047
I'm not this >>7349072 guy but /pol/ is correct about the feminization of men.

>Testosterone Levels in Men Decline Over Past Two Decades, Study Shows

https://www.endocrine.org/news-room/press-release-archives/2006/testosterone_lvls_in_men_decline

>>7349079
the term is zanj iirc

>>7349072
No, but it is something that's overstated and constantly shilled at effeminate, self conscious men.

>>7349084
I don't think that's the term. Zanj refers to East Africa and Zanji is a person from there.

>>7348980
>>7349002

see >>7348991

>>7349079
Black people also had black slaves so I think it's safe to assume God created them just to be slaves anyway.
So anti-racism goes against God's will.

>>7348535
Lovecraft wasn't even that viscous. He was a social Darwinist. He thought blacks were largely inferior to whites and that blacks being of a lower class was the natural way to go. Doesn't matter your view on blacks, he was just thinking what many people back then did.

Its like removing awards from people today because they don't fully back the whole transgender "no gender binary" movement going on today. Its stupid and tries to eliminate people because they're on the somewhat more conservative side of the split.

>>7349047
I actually know a /pol/ guy in real life and he's just as obnoxious as you'd expect. He starts gushing about his bullshit over coffee with friends and then gets really defensive when his bullshit is called out and there's no internet hugbox to fall back on.

>>7349112
Did he ever say he posted on /pol/ or does he just fit the criteria? Saying you use 4chan is one of the cringiest things you can do.

>>7348309
Excellent, but "called it Nigger" flows better I think

>>7349112
you only know he's a /pol/ guy because he's obnoxious though
it's completely taboo to talk about immigration in Sweden yet SD is topping opinion polls

>>7348238
I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure the whole neo-tumblr movements are all about self-evaluation over external approval. For instance, the traditional concept of "greatness" and ambition are all about external approval, even though they're usually painted as self evaluation.

>>7349072
These are interesting at least but not really pointing anywhere near what people seem to claim about them. I don't even see any sort of argument made by anyone that any potential human behavioral consequences, or even hormone levels (like, say >>7349080) is at all related to environmental estrogens.

Not the board for it anyway, but thanks for the links, I didn't know where that line of thinking came from.

>>7348552
Its like how people have the conception that slavery is completely some European white concept and that every African was just some proud noble equality loving warrior. Where do you think they got most of the Africans to bring to the western world? They bought the slaves of African warlords and made them their slaves. Where did Greek and other Mediterranean societies get their slaves? They just had other white people mostly. It was just easy to en masse buy already enslaved Africans from Africa and sell them for a higher price.

Fuck India's cast system ingrains slavery so deep that its still nearly around.

>>7349120
He legit goes on /pol/, but everyone in our close friend group goes on 4chan so it's ok to talk about it.

>>7348722
No. If you read through 90% of his works he doesn't even mention any inferiority in Africans. He brings up Arabs more often if anything. And even then they're just shewd merchants or similar but not in a really negative light.

Was he racist? ofc. But he wasn't that racist for the time.

>>7349132
>everyone in our close friend group goes on 4chan

>>7349132
I wish I had friends like that so we could be autistic together.

>>7349138
Yeah I know, it's just 5 of us though so it's not really weird. I hope.

>>7349132
I bet you and your friends yell "ITS JOHN CENA!!" and kakkle at eachother from across your AP English classroom.

You probably say "Goyim" and call money "Sheckles" in a "totally so offensive omg" jew accent.

>>7349149
It's fun dude stop judging.

>>7349112
I go on /pol/ regularly and I'm a likable, popular guy in my friendship group and in my acquaintance groups. I'm sorry you've had a bad experience.

>>7349149
those might be reddit crossposters

>>7349160
#notall/pol/

>>7349160
>p-please don't s-stereotype me! :(

>>7349160
Its almost like where you go online on some barely counter culture normie website doesn't influence your personality.

>>7349168
#/pol/livesmatter

>>7349160
>I'm a likeable turd according to other pieces of shit floating in my local toilet

>>7349177
topkek

>>7348592
I haven't read Lovecraft lately, but I entirely agree with your analysis. Lovecraft was one of the first authors I fully read in English. And back then, I was like 14, and while I do think he did manage with some degree of success to build a somewhat deppressive mood, I always found myself disappointed because all the creepy parts were when he hinted at something without specifically talking about them; as soon as he got to talking about and/or describing whatever hideous thing was there, it always seemed to me that he was doing what the guys from Lost did with the best part of the series: work on the story's build up, feed on that to get the viewer/reader's attention, and then pull some shit off just to justify it

>>7349171
>>7349177
>h-he doesn't fit my easily hateable caricatures! :(

>>7349188
Just like most kikes, niggers, sandniggers, and spics, right? :^)

shit like this is done in an effort (not necessarily consciously) to make people completely forget racism exists
they know racism is having a resurgence and no one wants to say it
they are misguided if they think they can combat it from the left

>>7349188
No one thinks of /pol/ as being some hated caricature. No one on 4chan is in some "Depths of society.". No one here is in some fringe group of social recluses just for going on here. Nothing about this website is edgy or crazy. Everyone knows that except for out of date redditors and 14 year olds.

>>7349202
That legit used to be the view that people from both inside and outside 4chan had of it a few years back though.

>>7349191
All in jest, my friend.

The problem isn't so much that extreme racists (like you are alluding to) need to be eliminated, but that it is only white people who need to do it. All other races can maintain favouritism, lite-racism, and are encouraged to cherish their culture and heritage.

It's nothing to do with hatred, it's a double standard, and if you can't see it, I feel very sorry for you.

>>7349202
/pol/ is very much a hated caricature.

>>7349207
hahaha

>>7349204

No that was the joke we all participated in.

>>7349219
I'm pretty sure most people actually took it seriously.

>>7349204
When people think of "4chan" they either don't know what it is or they think "hackers on steroids" and "child porn purveyors".

>>7349221

The high school kids and gaiafags, sure.

>>7349130
Don't forget that the large swathes of the southeastern Asian peninsula were just penal colonies for Chinese slaves at times. Or the massive amount of slavery in aforementioned Persian and Ottoman empires.

It is arguable that European colonialism involved one of the largest, most widespread use of slaves. But I don't have the numbers for that shit. Colonial America is just the most accessible and culturally relevant account of slavery here in America.

The great irony of this as an anti-European sentiment is the mindless euro-centrism required make it anti-European.

>>7349237
I simply don't get how people can't see the double standard.

It's astounding delusion.

>>7349237
>>7349252
Most intelligent people on the left do not see any intrinsic behavior on the part of any race to take slaves or be slaves, they just believe that, in America, the recent history of race-based slavery still affects how society and social attitudes are structured.

>>7348148
>/pol/ is right about ONE thing, i just don't know which

that one thing is everything

>>7349276
yeah, slavery definitely still means niggers are gonna be poor and stupid and shoot each other constantly

>>7349017
Actually it's true that there are lot of petroleum based and otherwise synthetic compounds that are absorbed by the body. Saw a show on it on local tv where a pregnant celeb got a fancy test done where they could see what plastics etc had been stored in her body. It was quite a lot and don't even tell me we know how they interact with the hormonal systems.

>>7349295

There's also segregation and redlining and lynching and all of that stuff.

>>7349349
u 4got genetics my man

Doubleplusgood

>>7349202
>nothing about 4chan is edgy

Yeah ok senpai

>>7348151
don't joke

>>7349438
Who's JOKING you bigoted FAGGOT?

>Respected authors being censored and removed for wrongthink
>Minorities encouraged to accept handouts and pity-diversity appointments as if they're not capable of writing on their own merit
>Timid beta manchildren applaud hoping for a pat on the head from a SJW piggy too stupid to earn a real degree

Thankfully later generations will read about activists like the balding John Scalzi in his dress protecting the poor progressives who control almost every major award in lit.

>>7349454
>later generations
you assume too much...

>>7349454
Yeah, remember that time when we looked back at a generation and thought they were too progressive? I totally remember that happening in history.

>>7349454
>respected
Lovecraft was shit.
>censored
Nope.
>removed
His face from a statue, yep. His books, nope.
>Minorities encouraged to accept shit
Prove it.
>Beta manchildren applaud
Where?
>later generations will read about John Scalzi
If most people don't know who he is today, why will he be remembered in the future?

>>7349468
>>respected
>Lovecraft was shit.
implying lovecraft isnt respected

>>7349474
By stoners and people who can't discern real talent.

>>7349479
NO
DISCERNIBLE

>>7349479
>by popular culture and the mainstream
fixed that for your ass

>>7349467
progressive just means "closest to today's values"
communism has been "repudiated"
the 20s have been "repudiated"
the free love values of the communes
tune in, turn off, drop out has been declared silly
when "progressive values" can be repackaged and sold
when they do not threaten "the economy"
then they are OK

>>7349490
>popular culture and the mainstream
People don't know who Lovecraft is and only know Cthulhu from South Park or The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.

>>7349499
Are you that out of touch? even buzzfeed has articles referencing buzzfeed

>>7349502
topkek

>>7349467
ironically, your perspective is rather eurocentric. a quick survey of the eastern hemisphere will show a considerable death toll directly attributable to leftism

>>7349513
>leftism is the same as progressivism

>>7349502
lel

>>7348350

I'm with you. Lovecraft has been overrated style-wise forever. The phrase interminably dull comes to mind.

>>7349503
Maybe I am but I think if I asked random people on the street if they have ever heard of Lovecraft, they would say no. And if I ask them if they read Lovecraft to ascertain if the respect for his shitty work is deserved, I'm sure most would not be able to make that judgment.

>>7349520
I've had this exact conversation on /mu/ before. Just because most people on the street at Times Square wouldn't be able to tell you about Death Grips, doesn't mean they aren't mainstream p4k-core as fuck.

>>7349534
Is mainstream then the common opinion among people who participate in a certain activity, i.e. reading in this case? If so, the point stands that only stoners and people who can't discern real talent respect Lovecraft.

>>7349542
the question was whether or not HPL was commonly respected, not by whom.

>>7349542
He wrote mainstream, pulp sci fi. What would you expect of him? His target audience wasn't the kind you would find on /lit/.

About the plastics seeping hormones into our food: from what I've read it's true and may have some negligible effect on our bodies but if there was strong evidence that it disrupted our hormones industries would respond. There's been tons of materials used in industry we've later found to be toxic and they've been phased out. This idea of some malevolent plutocrat suppressing evidence of hormone leeching, pure conspiracy theory on the level of fake moon landing/WTC truthers.

>>7349479
Says the "intellectual" on /lit/

>>7349454
no one ever respected Lovecraft. He was Susanna Collins for a generation of scared virgin men