/lit/ - Literature

hedonism :^)

suicidal mass shooting seems to be a viable and desirable alternative anymore.

more time to read books that way :^)

>>7261109
yeah, but i don't want to cause suffering like pic related. I wish to transcend it.

edit: tf why is "transcend" spelled with an S and C??

>>7261093
responsibility to make your own meaning anon, there, i solved your existential crisis but i bet you're too lazy to follow through

What kind of betterment do you think you deserve anyway?

>>7261117
You could use nerve gas or something, maybe an A-Bomb. They won't know what hit 'em. :^)

>>7261117
?
They are not suffering, they are sleeping. lol

>>7261109
>viable

What the fuck are you talking about

>>7261121
a clear and definite path to freedom

>>7261119
>just make shit up and pretend any of it means anything at all whatsoever haha

thanks you jesus

>>7261127
people are having a lot of success with these shootings, man. Better get on the wagon before it becomes cliche.

>>7261124
oh boy, is /lit/ gonna get it's very own school shooter?

>>7261129
There are no facts just interpretations, try validating your own.

>>7261119
but what is laziness ass?? In the face of thousands of years of human exsitence, what does that mean anymore? lazieness? How, because I don't want to stick to path of my fore-fathers and wasted my life? in school or at work?
I'm asking for new options you cunt.

>>7261150
Your option is to go fuck yourself.

This thread's been taken over by high schoolers.
Abandon and don't forget to hide it

>>7261161
but what does that fucking mean?? in a hundred years no one will remember this shitty website or your fucking comment. SO what now? I'm asking for meaning man!

>>7261117
>>7261093
>>7261117
Sure is adolescence in here.

>>7261169
IM 24, i've been through the trials, I've done my time. Im tired of it. and fuck you man.

>>7261168
>babby's first existential crisis

>>7261162
>>7261162
>>7261162
>>7261162
BUT IN 1000 YEARS WTF WILL IT ALL MATTER. JESUS CHRIST DOES ANYONE SEE HOW FUCKING INSANE LIFE ALL IS!

>>7261181
>>7261181
>>7261181
>>7261181
COOL YOU ARE SO MUCH FUCKING SMARTERR FUCK

There is no point to its pointlessness, anon.

It's a very tough path, but one day I hope that you may live without this overwhelming necessity for anything other than your own desire. It's not much trouble about how pointless it is, but how much we seek from answers outside of ourselves to signify the world for us. Someone to come up to you and say "I know why we are here, I know what we ought to do". And you'll find a lot of those people, answers here, paternal figures everywhere, all the possible religious and metaphysical answers, reason in the sense that it gives the impression to justify what you do, you can easily buy into someone else's fantasy, some political position that sells itself as the solution, some fight to fight. And there is nothing wrong in taking any of those paths, I mean it, nothing wrong. It's just that we rely a lot on them and as you merge that with an honest desire to go through it, you'll find them to be ultimately meaningless. Of course, because you're looking for the meaning in the things for the things themselves, you want them to answer you so that you don't have the burden of answering it yourself. But it is you and it was always you who are giving meaning to this world around you.

>>7261188
ty :^)

>>7261150
THEN MAKE THEM YOU WHINY CUNT.
no one on fucking 4chan of all places is going to give them to you. you either make or find them yourself.

This thread would be better if OP didn't type like a prepubescent moron.

Then again this might all be a skillful parody of youth

>>7261181
How would one escape babby's first existential crisis if they are fully aware that what they are going through at this moment is babby's first existential crisis?

>>7261202
Mass shooting seems like a popular option nowadays, I guess thinking and overcoming obstacles is just a bit too hard for the youth of today.

>>7261202
>>7261190
>>7261201
its not a ruse. Im drunk and need guidence in my fucking life right now. I don't know wether to drop out of school or keep prusing an english major i dont even care about. Ive been read a lot of epictetus lately, he said none of this external shit matters. but it does it does it does. and its sad, its sad theres fucked up shit in the world, its sad fucking people have to go to war, its sad theres fucking school shooter, in 6 years ill be 30, then 40, then 50 and my whole life will be wasted....

>>7261220
>Ive been read a lot of epictetus lately, he said none of this external shit matters.

someone completely missed the point of Epictetus lmao

>>7261223
>>7261223
AND WHATS THE POINT ASSHOLE?

>>7261225
Study his works and find out! :)

>>7261227
this is why death seems prefferable to this shit. because you're sarcastic ass and no one can be serious without being ironic. fuck it.

>>7261216
I don't think shooting someone will help, I'm not from the US so it's not really fashionable either.

Sometimes I have moments like OP where I'm asking myself if there is really a point in anything, if I should be trying

When that happens I usually just try to focus and tell myself I'm being a faggot

Is part of growing up just accepting that in the grand scheme of things nothing really matters and joining in to play the game just for the sake of it?

>>7261237
ok /thread. I guess im being a drunk faggot. sleep tight 4chins.

>>7261225
Not that anon. Epictetus didn't say that external shit doesn't matter. Everything stoicism boils down to there being two kinds of things: things withing one's control (their mind) and things outside of their control (literally everything else). The things outside of your control are still important, they just can't direct you towards evil or falsehood because you alone are in control of your thoughts and actions.

>>7261231
>>7261245

it's because you came to 4chan fam. what did you expect? do not take this place to be representative of your reality.

>>7261264
>>7261269
thanks anons, i don't know what i was expecting.

>>7261220
>>7261220
Go to therapy, anon.

>2015
>not having faith that life is meaningful

>>7261377
>babby's first existential crisis
>"Go to therapy."

Are you by any chance a psychologist that's aiming rake in more shekels?

>>7261386
>life
>meaning
oh boy, anon

>>7261401
What's the most common interpretation of this reaction image?

Is Patrick feeling smart because he placed bait, although everyone can easily tell it is in fact bait?

Or is Patrick knowingly taking what he knows to be bait (=>replying to a post although it's obviously bait and fishing for replies)?

>>7261388
Nah, anon. I mean analysis, really.

>>7261414
It's up to you to apply your own meaning to memes.

>>7261414
The hook is not even baited, so it's terrible, blatant bait, but Patricks' gonna grab it anyway, just to start a shitstorm.

The worst thing that ever happened to the human race is when it achieved abstract thought and intelligence.

> /lit/ - teenage angst general
top kek pathetic tbh

>>7261388
Depends if OP can handle it or not, if he can't find his way out of it seeking help can get him though it.

Better than drinking and getting angry on 4chan.

>>7261470
will this make sense if I look at it enough

>>7261182
OP chill breh, you're having a slight mental break down and are drunk.

Existential crisis usually stem from a problem rather than being the problem.

As in you're probably not happy with your life or believe you should be at a different spot.

Nigga you're 24, you have a shit ton of time to figure out the meaning of your life so relax and start fixing the shit you don't like, the simple shit, school, home life, health, sleep etc then tackle the bigger shit like who you are and where you want to be.

>>7261128
freedom doesn't exist.

not even meming it is a literal spook.

>>7261093
Drop it all out.
Go on the road.
Join a monastery.
Start meditating really hard, learning magick.
Create something.
From personal experience, these are the only things that could bring a relief for your problem.

>>7261515
sounds gay as fuck tbh

Be a quagga.

I wonder what it's like to be an unmotivated sack of shit who blithely throws away his only pass through life.

>>7261500
It's a head with a pussy at the end of it's neck.
Typical otaku shit.

>>7261515
>magick

>>7261525
Joke's on you fam there's a much better afterlife for me, Earth is just a test.

>>7261534

Yeah let me know how that works out m8

>>7261505
Nonsense. It's simply a multi-layered concept is all.

Unless you're one of those creeps who believes everything is predestined. You can just fuck off with that hot opinion.

>>7261502
thats probably the realest advice i've gotten all year. appreciate it anon.

>>7261401
Well, there is meaning to life, but it becomes clear the moment you drop the concept of meaning and meaninglessness. It sounds stupid, but it is what it is. If the true meaning of life could be expressed in words, it would cheapen existence.
Pro tip: if you say life is meaningless, remember that is just your projection onto the world, and that the world is absolutely beyond whatever category you try to impose, be it that one of meaning or lack of it.
Super pro tip: You're the problem, or rather the illusion that is perceived as you. Once you realize that ego that creates the whole struggle with meaning or lack thereof doesn't exist at all, and never existed in the first place, you're free from existential struggle.

>>7261540

There's no predestination; that would imply that events were somehow determined before they happened, rather than being determined solely by dint of them happening. Nonetheless, everything happens in one way and one way only. "Freedom" is a perceptual illusion. Life is on a rail.

>>7261530
It works.
Just try it.
Start with Enochian or Liber Samekh.
You just can't go wrong with these two.

>>7261540
>After putting participants into an fMRI scanner, he told them to press a button with either their right or left index fingers at their leisure, but that they had to remember the letter that was showing on the screen at the precise moment they were committed to their movement.

>The results were shocking. Haynes's data showed that the BP occurred one entire second prior to conscious awareness — and at other times as much as ten seconds. Following the publication of his paper, he told Nature News:

>The first thought we had was 'we have to check if this is real.' We came up with more sanity checks than I've ever seen in any other study before.
>The cognitive delay, he argued, was likely due to the operation of a network of high-level control areas that were preparing for an upcoming decision long before it entered into conscious awareness. Basically, the brain starts to unconsciously churn in preparation of a decision, and once a set of conditions are met, awareness kicks in, and the movement is made.

http://io9.com/5975778/scientific-evidence-that-you-probably-dont-have-free-will


only christfags don't believe in determinism. They're the only ones stupid enough to reject science,

>>7261093
You are put on this earth for the sole reason of worshiping/praising your creator, it's all a test.

>>7261540
You are literally a slave to your own gray matter and it's preset functions and flaws. You have no real "freedom" you can't escape your own internal wiring.

>>7261575

The question of free will has always been an enormous red herring in philosophy. The ancients were completely ignorant of the question, yet philosophy and human existence flourished.

>>7261575
>what is compatibalism

>>7261580
I AM my grey matter and internal wiring.

Put me in a prison cell and I am free to think what I want. This is one variety of freedom. A cheap one, but it can suffice and done so for countless Christians, Buddhists and other prisoners....

Ah, but you'd never understand. Especially not the other forms of freedom.

Dumb frogposters.

>>7261608
Religionfag, please leave. Pleasant thoughts are a piss poor substitute for pleasant reality.

>>7261546
wow this is really insightful

>>7261093

CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

THIS IS MY LAST RESORT

>>7261556
Some things are "on a rail". The course of Meteorites, planets, the life of a star or nebula, smaller things too. But some things no.

>>7261575
>only christfags don't believe in determinism
Some do some don't. I'm atheist. "Determinism" is as bad an idea to believe in as an "afterlife".
Freedom in a singular life is best life.

>>7261613
>pleasant reality.
You just don't understand the nature of freedom.

>>7261641
>haha stupid Christfags and their magical sky fairy!
>This magic which somehow allows me to defy the laws of nature and make my own free decisions unbound by any logical or physical reality is totally real though!

>>7261117
howd you edit your post fam? 4chan pass?

>>7261556
quantum physics are random
BAM

>>7261641
>You just don't understand the nature of freedom

You think you do, but you really don't.

>>7261664
Out lack of knowledge about something doesn't mean it's random.

To someone primitive that doesn't know any better weather might seem random, but after further expectation you can determine it's actually not random.

Just because we don't know everything about something it doesn't mean it's magic.

>>7261678
>To someone primitive that doesn't know any better weather might seem random

>2015

>It's still literally impossible to correctly predict the weather

You tried anon, you tried.

>>7261657
>the laws of nature [how I believe them to be]

It's not a religion frogposter. Not anymore than yours

>>7261676
And so ye shall have your self fulfilling prophecy of doom.
You have chosen wrong. But "wrong" on my account of course. You probably want to the world to fry.

>>7261700
>your self fulfilling prophecy of doom

>self fulfilling prophecy

This coming from a christian!?

kek, good troll, I give 6.5/10

>>7261678
Not magic, anon. Free.

>Offers a sip of beer

>>7261719
>Still calling me a Christian though I've come out as atheist

Silly insult, frogposter

>>7261093
The point is: To make your own point.

Points and meaning are a spook.
The world existing past your death is a spook.
History and evolution are a spook.
Freedom is a spook.

To make everything yours you must first give it up.

Just make your own reason :DD
Just be yourself :DDD

Nah OP just accept that no-meaning cannot be a good or bad thing, and get comfy - drink some oolong tea and listen to Bjork

>>7261861
What if the point is round?

>>7261442
I don't think you're wrong, anon. You don't see dogs who are by all accounts healthy acting all depressed because they can't figure the universe out. If we were just stupid we'd be happier. I think this is sometimes true for humans anyway. It seems the smarter and more thoughtful someone is, the less likely they are to be content.

>>7261515
Sounds chill as fuck tbh

>>7261442
>>7261943
I think this has more to do with people's places in society than their intelligence. We're depressed not because our lives are bad, but because there simply is a surplus of people; in a small society where everyone is vital, being depressed becomes impossible, but we're just a grain of sand in a desert, how can we ever feel accomplished?

>>7261442
Ligotti as fuck friend

>>7261952

Find something you are passionate in and master in it. Give it your best.

>>7261575
Oh no, Im predetermined to press a button with out my actual agency, how will I ever come to terms with this terrible fact?

>>7261093
I've found meaning in independence and my family name (continue to bring greatness to my family).

I reached independence by doing the most cliched thing ever: questioning everything.
Honouring my family name is being done by working as hard as I can.

bump

You will literally have to accept a lack of objective meaning or kill yourself. Do you benefit from an organized society of human beings? Do the benefits you derive from the existence this organized society outweigh the negative emotions or discontentment you otherwise feel due to the lack of objective meaning in life? If so, it is pretty much your duty to help maintain this organized society and invest in whichever distraction you feel is most beneficial to your wellbeing. For some it's writing, for others it's partying, some have sex all the time and some post on the internet or play video games. Complaining will get you nowhere.

>>7262423
That's fucking pathetic

>>7262423
>Honouring my family name is being done by working as hard as I can.

>>7263356
>If so, it is pretty much your duty to help maintain this organized society and invest in whichever distraction you feel is most beneficial to your wellbeing

No, and also those are two different things.

>>7261515
I hope women with disgusting bush wear this so I can write them off sooner

>>7261525
>implying existence is predicate

>>7261556
>by dint
>by effort of them happening
>defeating your argument with your own misused words
>lazy fatalist faggot

God, you are cretinous


My god, you are cretinous

>>7263764
>not liking bush

GAY HOMO

>>7261613
>pleasant reality

That was never a thing

>>7263788
I would rather eat cock than bush so maybe that is true

All these edges