/lit/ - Literature

>>7128758
live*

>>7128758
Why would you want to?

>>7128890
so I can be at peacce with my existence.

If you have to question your authenticity, you're not authentic

>>7128972
I'm not questioning it, I'm trying to find it.

>>7128967
I don't really understand what you mean.

What is there to be at peace with?

>>7128980
Point out everything that is inauthentic

>>7128758
For Heidegger, dasien is authentic only in rare instances. I suppose though, that one could live a resolute life. Anyway, read Being and Time cause it's too technical to be explained in a 4chan post.

>>7128758
You'd have to get off 4chan, technology like computers gets in the way of authentic existence

>>7128999
Yup I'm currently reading it but a translation of such a work is often hard to understand...
I didn't get the idea of Dasein only being authentic "in rare instances", if you have any quote that would be really appreciated.
>>7128988
Well, I see philosophy as a way of understanding how one must or should live, I arrived at the conclusion that I would find the answer in Heidegger's idea of "authenticity" but I'm a bit lost in B&T so I wanted to know if someone here was knew more about that.
>>7129006
Yup, I know, but man I'm not strong enough for the moment.

>>7129006
painful but true. ive only been here 2 hours and can fell my life fading away. or maybe I'm here cus I already lost my life and trying to find one.

>>7129013
>I see philosophy as a way of understanding how one must or should live
Not that anon, but that's not philosophy, even if it may be part of it, that's ideology. It's interesting that you use the words "must" and "should", because, as a lot of philophers themselves have noticed, what we really want is this safe understanding that what we are doing is obeying this higher order. As if you were to find a figure that is quite paternal, if only you investigate life hard enough to squeeze an answer, if only you're a bit more rational. When we don't know what is "good" or what is right or how the future is going to be like, we search for that rhetoric answer, we hope that some thinker will articulate it in words we can't break apart, that is, we want to be convinced by their terms. And we do it thinking that being convinced means that something in this argument must be closer to some truth, we do not see it as part of a relationship, an impression of the argument that is totally ours, and thus it speaks to all else that goes in our minds.

To put it in other way, it is not that we are looking for a way to know or understand "what we must do", as if we were trying to figure out what our parents want from us. It is that we realize our parents are human, or, stepping out of the metaphor, to realize that these ideas and things that we see are not right just because it is there. It is a very scary thought that puts the responsibility back to you in a very visceral sense. Imagine that you are not really looking for an authentic life, but that, instead, you are running away from the fact that you have always lived an authentic life. What better way there is to ignore that you have something than to search for it elsewhere? And if this is an authentic life and this life, I'm sure, is full of uncertainty, suffering, not knowing where to go, not knowing the outcomes of your actions, neither right or wrong, but a myriad of experiences to which we may find this or that excuse to forgive ourselves and keep us moving. "It is only so because I haven't find out the authentic life, because I'm yet to understand what I must do".

You don't have to do anything. This is what's hard to accept, but you don't have to accept it either. And what of it? Why do anything if you don't have to do it? If there is no "must", no return, no ultimate justice or the recognition of a father. And if this thought is painful to us, isn't there a relationship between knowing we don't have to do anything and wanting to have something to do? What can we do? Not how must we live. How can we live? What do we want? Much more difficult questions to deal with than the coldness of trying to figure out what this other wants from you, this that says you must do this or that.

>>7128758

Being authentic has nothing to do with the authenticness of capitalism ideology, nothing to do with trying to achieve uniqueness by alienating yourself.

it's more like the zen approach of the yellow people. it's related to how present you are in every situation, and how you want to approach arete in every thing you do, this grounds you in the world, and makes you being authentic (you are just being in it).

it has nothing to do with having certain *things* or traits, like the hipster (who think they are authentic because of their hipsterness, and not the approach towards their hipsterness).

>>7128758
Sit on a pillow on the floor. Face a wall for 10 minutes if you can. Breath. Report back here with an authentic experience of your life. I'm guessing you'll find that you lack the discipline to even stare at a wall. You can work on that by continued practice.

Also guessing you will find pain in lower back and hips. Perhaps you'll find irregular breathing, boredom, tension, and a lack of contentment.

>>7128758
used to take Heidegger seriously until I seen that he was just trying to make up for his short size

>>7129088
Ill never be able to do that. I would probably remember it the rest of my life and probably wouldn't remember the extra ten minutes spent on /lit/

discipline and virtue. or something like that.

>>7129076
I had to stop reading because you're avoiding your own point

>>7129013
Authenticity is doing what's right; in some cases, like with you brother, It's following whole heartedly and with all of your being that figure that is right (me)

Take for example
>>7129088
This is nice, but you can also do like 20 pushups
Feel the post workout high, brother; feel it in your chest/gut area; this is your serotonin, brother
Fuel your serotonin; charge it; expand the pleasure

Do this for fun while you are driving, experiences may come and let yourself experience them

Finally, when are feeling it: push this to the fucking limit - you'll experience some lower version of gnosis; this is the way (part of it) to gnosis

This is why I'll never read Carles' Nothing Matters - because pleasure matters; a given inherent in experience - and the pursuit of pleasure leads to great things

It leads to Godhead, brother