/lit/ - Literature

>>7052410
>So besides name calling, did Arty actually bring anything to the table against Hegel?

NO.

>>7052424
Good to know, that's one entire philosopher I can disregard now.

Anyone else that's a butthurt nancy?
Did Marx actually successfully refute Max Stirner?

>>7052410
>wah wah wah everyone goes to hegel's lectures but not mine wah wah wah

But really, Schopenhauer's criticism of Hegel is pretty lazy, and while Hegel's pretty hard, I can't think of anything in his work that can't be parsed. He can be eminently disagreed with, but he's not incoherent. I might say Kant's harder, and Schopenhauer sure didn't hate the shit out of him.

>muh noumenal Will

>>7052410
Schopenhauer said this because he was incredibly butthurt when he came to Berlin and scheduled one of his classes at the same time as Hegels and nobody turned up lol

Hahahahha holy shit
Bagel got PWNED

>>7052439
>Did Marx actually successfully refute Max Stirner?
Communists are called semi-religious for the believing in the community of man so much, and then there's that whole Soviet cult of personality with their early leadership. Throw a monkey wrench like egoism into that and you're bound to see sparks fly. I think some of the reasons Marxism fails (aside form outside capitalistic resistance) is their people, their proletariat, not standing up for themselves. The Russian people were too used to imperialist serfdom to change too much, like most peoples really. These dueling ideals need to find that more perfect balance between the communard and the egoist. A "union of egoists" may have just struck Marx as impossible from his point in time and place.

Lay person of course.

I might be mistaken but isn't there a letter or something where a young Schopenhauer praises Hegel?

>>7052815
are you the lesbian girl?

>>7052815
People who have sex for pleasure should be fucking shot. This isn't even trolling, they have proven to be a menace to the structures that uphold all good values and ideals, where there is shady business in congress or laughably justified wars in the other side of the world, a culture of hedonism is the one sustaining it.

The pacification of mankind through the suppression of sexuality is where true peace lies.

>>7052826
I know you're just trolling, but people like you should be locked up. Not pot smokers.

Seriously though. The socialist left and the conservative reactionary, devoutly religious and firmly atheist need to join common cause and end capitalism and heal the earth before we're all dead.

Has the Pope made anti-environmentalism a sin yet?

>>7052858
I am not trolling. All of this world's problems are caused by people indulging in their sexual nature. Having sex actively diminishes your humanity. More than a single partner in life (e.g serial monogamy) also devalues mankind as a whole on the collective level. People who fuck for pleasure, I mean those that have sex without the intention of reproduction can never be called moral.

>>7052866
Stop humping my leg

>>7052858
How are we supposed to get people to question capitalism though? Banksy isn't cutting it

I finally got around to reading his stuff and I'm like 20 pages into The Fourfold Root of the PSR and holy shit he's mentioned Hegel like 5 times already, he's so mad

>>7052883
The funny thing is reading his councils and maxims. I'm sure he made it a case to not get butthurt over absolutely nothing, ever, in that essay, yet that's all he literally does when it comes to Hegel.

Just fucking drop it already man.
Not even 500 (FIVE HUNDRED) PAGES of butthurt Marx wrote against Saint Max seems as resentful.

>>7052874
>tfw the only hope for humanity lies in the hands of a sniffley Slovenian

>>7052826
>>7052866
>People who have sex for pleasure should be fucking shot.
Elliot Rodger is that you?

>>7052895
Elliot Rodgers is a (slightly) extreme case of those whom I speak against of. Sex for them is something of importance, for Elliot Rodgers it was literally THE thing of importance. Sex is the root of all evil in this world.

>>7052410
http://existentialcomics.com/comic/40

>>7052901
Not funny / is incredibly wrong besides the fact people liked Hegel back in the day.

>>7052904
Actually it is pretty correct. No-one reads Schopenhauer in academia, whereas Hegel is increasingly relevant even in analytical circles.

>>7052874
>>7052891
Everyone who cares is pitching in. You people were posting Russel Brand about this not too long ago. Bernie Sanders is attracting large crowds. The riots and the protest movements. People *are* questioning it.
We're just marginalized by their media

>>7052900
stfu, sex isnt evil, sex is essentialy good, that people misuse it doesnt mean sex is bad, just that it can get corrupted like everything in the world

I don't understand how its Schoppy calling Hegel the Pseudo one when he believes in the noumenal world. A world that is not part of our reality which Hegel says is bogus

>>7052909
Wrong, sex is inherently evil, and it dehumanizes humans every time they indulge in it.
It can't be corrupted, namely because it is corruption in principal.
It is necessary for reproduction, and if reproduction were the charge of an priestly arm that took care over reproduction as its main affairs... its evils would be diminished greatly where selecting for those that would bring the most intelligent, most healthy and compassionate would take priority above everything else.

>>7052913
youre contradicting yourself, if sex is evil then how can it be the source of good (reproduction)?

If reproduction is good, there must be a natural way for us to reproduce that is good, but the only natural way for our reproduction is sex, so sex is good

i know your b8ing though, but im bored

>>7052825
Of course. Why?

>>7052900
And you would have put him in a chastity belt the way you're talking.
People should be freer with their sex lives not more strict. I doubt it would have helped that loser. he'd probably snap the moment his first girlfriend left him.
>>7052913
>and it dehumanizes
You don't have a healthy ideal of humanity.
Capitalism is corruption in principal. Can you admit that?
This monk act is tiring.

>>7052926

Reproduction isn't good, for reproduction perpetuates the species and elongates suffering, but it is also unavoidable, so our purpose should be to make reproduction less of a hassle to all humankind as much as possible, where we would ensure that men should be birthed with the best traits available to make it that their journey is not an incredibly harsh one.

>>7052928
Rampant capitalism is the result of unrestrained sexuality you fucking hippy.

>>7052931
>>>/out/

>>7052891

Zizek makes a good point about the left falling into the trap of dwelling on the failures of past systems instead of believing that there could be a better system of government and formulating it
(this is what he says right?)

>>7052931
reproduction is good, for it gives existence to other beings, and existence, being a kind of actuality, is good.

Suffering doesnt make existence evil, because suffering is a defect of essence, not of existence

>>7052928
There are two trips with the butterfly sign

>>7052940
Existence is inherently evil.

BTFO

>>7052928
>And you would have put him in a chastity belt the way you're talking.
says the "lesbian"

That image from the other thread still on your mind?

>>7052942
Schopenhauer? cheer up friend

>>7052942
i already told you why it isnt

>>7052948
You did not, you just made an assertion and decided it to be true.

Existence is a disturbance of the eternal void, where everything could flow peacefully with no differentiation for all eternity conscious entities, I mean spirits of course, spring forth and disturb this continual flow of nothingness.

>>7052952
yes i did, you just decided to ignore it, schopes

>>7052966
No you didn't.

>>7052971
yes i did

>>7052974
No you didn't.

>>7052939
This trip? It's mine. I'm not seeing any imposters today.

>>7052937
Well if it is, I agree.

>>7052943
That troll would prefer humanity turn to artificial insemination. He thinks this cuts back on sexual deviancy when we all know it only increases it. (Of course he see lesbians as a deviancy and not serial killers)

>>7052974

>>7052410
>>At first Fichte and Schelling shine as the heroes of this epoch; to be followed by the man who is quite unworthy even of them, and greatly their inferior in point of talent --- I mean the stupid and clumsy charlatan Hegel.

The hilarious thing about this is that Fichte and Schelling are *more* mystical than Hegel, and Schelling especially. Hegel's hard, but much clearer than those two.

>>7052981
so you're the owner of those two trips?

>>7052826
lol people only have sex for pleasure dumbass, anything else is pure ideology

lol u probably read articles about how healthy sex is lol utilitarianism is complete ideology in that sense lol

>>7052998

Yes

>>7053019
k den

hegel is jewish mysticism repackaged

>>7053264
how so? Hegel tries to make the least assumptions as possible

>>7052614
No way, man. He did that on pourpose

Posting in a hegelhaur thread!!

>>7053264
You're going to have to explain that one.

>"It is therefore just as little necessary for the saint to be a philosopher as for the philosopher to be a saint; just as it is not necessary for a perfectly beautiful person to be a great sculptor, or for a great sculptor to be himself a beautiful person. In general, it is a strange demand on a moralist that he should commend no other virtue than that which he himself possesses. To repeat abstractly, universally, and distinctly in concepts the whole inner nature of the world, and thus to deposit it as a reflected image in permanent concepts always ready for the faculty of reason, this and nothing else is philosophy."[113]

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>>7052866
To me it sounds like you're just butthurt because nobody wants to have sex with you.

>>7052410
It's not strange that Schopenhauer doesn't offer a systematic criticism of Hegelian ideas. His whole accusation is that there are no ideas. For Schopenhauer, Hegel is the pinnacle of obscurantism and pseudo-intellectualism not because his verbosity obscures bad ideas, but because it obscures the fact that there are no ideas at all.

>>7052826
Get laid m8
you can pay for it, you know

>>7053676
Is this supposed to mean that philosophy is making religion?

>>7052937

He's a classic Frankfurt school dude when it comes to 'the future'. He thinks we need to think more and that the better world will come from that, or something.

>>7053744
see >>7052992