/lit/ - Literature

Roosh is an epic troll, IMO.

>>7042960
i tried reading one of his books and it was clear within a few pages that he has never gotten laid in his life

just look at that picture for further confirmation, it's the blind leading the blind

>>7042979
You're just jealous of all the pussy he gets

>>7042985
i'm fairly sure he's never had sex in his life

>>7042988
i have ;_)

>>7042549
Literally just be handsome and talk to women all the time. That is PUA advice. PUA is 90% about rolling the figurative dice more, and training yourself to be less awkward with strangers. The other 5% is bullshit that helps you not be anxious (because you have a set series of behavior) and break the ice. The final 5% is pure bullshit.

>>7043008
yeah but some of the pua guys are such losers, they just reek of angsty beta, it reminds of those udemy courses that are like "make 50,000 dollars a month with xyz scheme" and it's like if you make that much why the fuck are you peddling this shitty udemy course?

>>7042549

Stan Lee tbh

>>7043023
Of course they're angsty beta losers. The fact that these PUA "gurus" needed to create their PUA theories and strategies to succeed with women in the first place says it all.

>>7043023
>>7043058
Literally everyone who isn't a perfect kind hearted, level headed normal guy is a crazy weirdo loser freak.
People who like things suck and people who sit still until they die are awesome.
We get it.
You don't need to point it out every time.

>>7043077
fuck off, nerd

RAPE CULTURE
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>>7043083
Fuck off shitty little internet troll who probably just got 5 GBP and a plate of chicken tendies.
Call me a nerd for realising you people are shit cunts who can't into reality and think peoples personalities and ideas are worth complaining about.
Fucking moron.

>>7042549
My favorite pua is captain jack. That guy is the only guy imo who teaches shit that is useful. He does audio shit though, not books

I've been wanting to read the Alabaster Girl by Zan Perrion. Sounds interesting. I think he's pretty cool, but honestly I can't say his stuff has helped my game all that much because it is so abstract and philosophical. Not that easy to implement

>>7043091

Yeah, proposing to decriminalize rape probably wasn't his wisest move to get pussy.

>>7043093
bro, it's the last weekend before fall semester starts, and i just finished the project i was working on all summer, so for a couple days i'm hanging out shit posting about dumb shit, deal with it you awful shut in

>>7043100
the best one i ever heard was "overcoming nice guy syndrome" which sounds bad but was actually good by these two normal guys that didn't have weird names like "Dr. Mystery and Lt. Sexx Present Vaginal Magnetizm Mastery Sessions (order now $599)"

there are some PUA (for lack of a better term) principles that are actually correct and helpful. like that women are disgusted by neediness, that women are turned on by unpredictability and forcefulness. basically that men and women are very different in a lot of ways when it comes to sexual attraction.

now you still need to be physically attractive to get with an attractive woman, of course. but for men who are attractive "game" can help them not get pussy whipped like faggots.

I'm reading the game right now and its absolutely hilarious. I browsed sluthate for a while and, for guys that dislike PUAs, they really copied the vocabulary.

>>7042979
Well, taken from how he claims he rapes women, they clearly aren't that interested in him in the first place.

>being this cucked by basic primative needs to reproduce

I watched a lot of Tyler videos and he just doesn't sit right, he's bullshit, he's not right as a guy!

I saw the video straight after he broke up with his gf and the charade came down a bit. He's not out there boning everything that moves, his image is all pretend, in fact in the video, you could see how much pain he felt about having to start picking up for real now that his gf had left.

>>7042549
roosh said that samuel griffiths translation of art of war is the best. is he right?

>>7043131
>like that women are disgusted by neediness
That isn't a fucking PUA concept. That's basic common sense. Being needy isn't considered good by anyone. It's a negative adjective.

>That women are turned on by unpredictability and forcefulness
Sure, spontaneity can go over well with some women but forcefulness is really not the right word and is way more to do with reading body language than it is to do with asserting yourself. That second part is basically the reason they get a rep as abusive (besides, y'know, half of them being actual rapists and happily spreading STDs).

>>7042549
nobody smart needs these pieces of shit
not that they are wrong
but anybody that pays for this type of knowledge... i dunno man
just get a good friend who will tell you you're being a faggot (in that way) if that indeed the case
that's all

This thread is a can full of bait. Every thread about seduction can be closed after bringing up Aaron Sleazy.

>>7042549
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1V5Pi0e954

>>7043008
>>7043023
You'v got the numbers and their explanaition wrong, buddy. PUA is 99% bullshit that leads to nowhere except embarassing yourself like you certainly do at every given opportunity, be it in public spaces during day or in clubs and or bars during night. The 1% percent are those tiny corns of truth which are actually self-explanatory.

Plus: No such thing as an alpha or beta male.

>>7043629
Kill yourself.

lel. I attended an anti-Roosh protest in Toronto

>>7045523
>implying those protests aren't just viral marketing set up by himself

read "trust me i'm lying" to realize most "feminist protests" are just marketing tricks

>>7044481
>Plus: No such thing as an alpha or beta male.

but there are clearly alpha males in other primates, do you think humans are some kind of special exception?

the sex distribution is probably like the economic distribution where the top one percent get 50 percent of the pussy, etc. i remember there was this site back in the 2000s where people would write confessions and of the ones about sex half were about fucking too much and the other half were about never having sex ever, clearly some dudes get the lions share of pussy while other are feelsguying it up

>>7045548
you dont know anything about animal social structures you fucking clown

>>7045559
but you do know something about animal social structures? right...

it's one thing when we can't talk about humans honestly to preserve ppls feelings, but no fucking chimpanzee is going to get his feelings hurt if point out he's a beta, you fags are taking sjw too far

>>7045539
his classes get barely 20 people even with his "marketing"
we expanded our protest against rape culture and just used him as a springboard really.

>>7045559
>Competition for fertile females determines male reproductive success in many species. The priority of access model predicts that male dominance rank determines access to females, but this model has been difficult to test in wild populations, particularly in promiscuous mating systems. Tests of the model have produced variable results, probably because of the differing socioecological circumstances of individual species and populations. We tested the predictions of the priority of access model in the chimpanzees of Gombe National Park, Tanzania. Chimpanzees are an interesting species in which to test the model because of their fission–fusion grouping patterns, promiscuous mating system and alternative male mating strategies. We determined paternity for 34 offspring over a 22-year period and found that the priority of access model was generally predictive of male reproductive success. However, we found that younger males had higher success per male than older males, and low-ranking males sired more offspring than predicted. Low-ranking males sired offspring with younger, less desirable females and by engaging in consortships more often than high-ranking fathers. Although alpha males never sired offspring with related females, inbreeding avoidance of high-ranking male relatives did not completely explain the success of low-ranking males. While our work confirms that male rank typically predicts male chimpanzee reproductive success, other factors are also important; mate choice and alternative male strategies can give low-ranking males access to females more often than would be predicted by the model. Furthermore, the success of younger males suggests that they are more successful in sperm competition.

from the journal Animal Behavior 2009

>>7045576
does he really say anything that offensive? i read a few pages of this book "30 bangs" but stopped as soon as it became clear every "bang" in question was fictitious. it didn't seem very offensive, just kind of clueless and slightly sad.

>tfw TEFL teacher in SE Asia.
>tfw regularly banging one of my students, my Asian girlfriend, and any bargirl I like for $20 - $30 longtime.

"Pick up artistry"? lol. If you're white in an Asian country, you're drowning in pussy.

>The Book of Pook by Pook

Mostly self help and "core concepts" rather than typical PUA stuff really good read for anyone tbh.

>Models by Mark Manson

The very basics of pickup and dating. Useful for a beginner.

>>7045599
fucking asian chicks is beta as hell, haven't tapped yellow ass since i was a sjw beta in college

black is my first choice, second white (latinas are respectable to fuck, i just find their culture repulsive)

No More Mr Nice Guy - Robert Glover

I remember I got rejected by this chick I had a crush on, I got into PUA after that. It made me awkward and it resulted in me sort of debasing myself by hitting on girls too much. The whole philosophy is just backward. You don't grow as a man by hitting on anything with legs. It's an inherently desperate mindset. Ever notice that these PUA guys usually date girls who are below themselves looks-wise? There was an article in Jezebel a while back where Jeffy, one of the instructors at RSD, was "called out" for raping chicks from OKC. Anyway they posted pics and the girls he was trying to bang were all hambeasts. This is an extreme example but PUAs in general seem to sleep with girls that aren't that hot, even if the PUAs in question are themselves good looking. I think the reason is because PUA is the dating equivalent of dumpster diving. It's hard to explain but with a PUA mindset you make it harder for yourself to get girls, because when you think like that, you *NEED* to be looking for girls. It makes you needy. Your mindset subtly shifts toward "I'll take what I can get." If you look at guys who actually get girls, you'll notice they don't see getting girls as some kind of contest. They just sort of act naturally.

>>7042549
>still living through women.

how beta are you Op ?

>>7045618
yeah, i remember this obnoxious "alpha" type puerto rican douchebag at my gym would always brag about chicks he fucked etc. and he was one of those insecure guys that if everyone is joking around he's like mad and ready to fight over some off hand joke...well, he actually had a fucking ugly gf. she was white and blonde, but she was a bit chunky and had bad skin, definitely second rate...

This shit just all seems so retarded and unauthentic even if it works

Better off pursuing your own passions/interests and if it attracts girls great, if not then it's w/e pay a hooker or something

>they haven't abandoned meatspace females yet

Top kek.

What PUA basically teaches you is misogyny. Learn to appreciate rather than hate women and you will gain a lot more than reading/listening to sad fucks.

Just stop being a pussy and get some self-respect. You don't comply with everything a guy says, nor should you with girls. Apply same principles but be charming. You are actually trying to seduce the opposite sex, not make friends.

>>7045687
the chick next to him is p cute, he should take that nerdy shit off and talk to her

>>7045548
>do you think humans are some kind of special exception?
i think it's pretty clear that humans are a kind of special exception actually

>>7045704
why because god made us?

>>7045548
>the sex distribution is probably like the economic distribution where the top one percent get 50 percent of the pussy, etc.

thats not a constant thing though
it depends and changes through the history, people dont live in conservative hierarchical societies like most animals

quote by hoolaback:

“It's a fact...that in societies like ours sex truly represents a second system of differentiation, completely independent of money; and as a system of differentiation it functions just as mercilessly. The effects of these two systems are, furthermore, strictly equivalent. Just like unrestrained economic liberalism, and for similar reasons, sexual liberalism produces phenomena of absolute pauperization . Some men make love every day; others five or six times in their life, or never. Some make love with dozens of women; others with none. It's what's known as 'the law of the market'...Economic liberalism is an extension of the domain of the struggle, its extension to all ages and all classes of society. Sexual liberalism is likewise an extension of the domain of the struggle, its extension to all ages and all classes of society.”

women are vile
they have poison juices inside them
stay pure, anons,
don't let them corrupt you with their juices

First off, these guys are spooked all to hell and back. Letting women have this much power over them, for shame.

Second, if you want a chick, just treat her like you would a guy. This is what I do and it works surprisingly well, at least in the beginning stages. She'll become interested in you simply because you're the only straight guy not lapping her shit up, and then she'll start coming to you. This is where you sprinkle a bit of flirting in. Just a joke here and there, nothing concrete, make her do the fucking work. Let her catch you staring at her tits or something, then look away casually. Be casual.

When you first start doing this, make it scarce, flirt once and then walk away and do other shit. This is just to let her know that you're a sexual being who could be dtf in the future, not gay or a withdrawn geek or anything. As she makes it more clear that she's into you, you ramp things up as well, but always be less willing than she is, unless there comes a point where the deal is about to be sealed, then it's normal for any guy to want to go for it.

Just remember, don't be a slave to her. She is your property, use her as you see fit, but don't let her have power over you and your emotions. It takes practice obviously but you'll get it.

And I'm average looking with shit teeth, a small penis, no college, and a shit job so don't be crying out muh normie or I'm gonna come over there and get you.

>>7045710
monkeys don't write books, speak language or form nations

>>7045700
Why? Relationships are a business that does not cover the costs.

>>7045718
>“It's a fact...that in societies like ours sex truly represents a second system of differentiation, completely independent of money; and as a system of differentiation it functions just as mercilessly. The effects of these two systems are, furthermore, strictly equivalent. Just like unrestrained economic liberalism, and for similar reasons, sexual liberalism produces phenomena of absolute pauperization . Some men make love every day; others five or six times in their life, or never. Some make love with dozens of women; others with none. It's what's known as 'the law of the market'...Economic liberalism is an extension of the domain of the struggle, its extension to all ages and all classes of society. Sexual liberalism is likewise an extension of the domain of the struggle, its extension to all ages and all classes of society.”

yes, but as soon as their is surplus wealth there is always economic inequality. the only time everyone is equal economically is at absolute subsistence level, and even then the group leader will have his pick of the women. i know betas yearn for "pussy communism" but it just never existed and never will.

Don't see women as objects or trophies. Don't go out simply to attain them. If you want to find a meaningful connection with someone its a matter of honesty, humour and interest.

If you go out solely with "SEX" as your main intention you're going to suffer, because that's not how it works. Sex will happen if you put in an honest effort, not just constantly bombarding them with faux interest.

PUA comes down to
>start hitting on girls relentlessly and you realize that nothing actually bad comes from it - and of course some of the chicks will actually also spread their legs because girls like sex too
That works, you can be cooler than you were before and so I think it's a good thing PUA exists.
Downside:
1. the PUA guys try to sell something which can be said on 50 pages or less, the amount of information is finite and so they get obnoxious, starting to (re-)making motivational videos containing only evident truths.
2. I agree with (>>7045618). If you "get into it", then you lose your standards and just want to say before yourself that you banged 20 chicks or more like some guys on youtube.

I have a notebook (for many things, also one for conversational skills) and go a little "into it". I like this kid, he is sincere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-_oBZfdd8Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0aGZLfeaLY

But getting (more and more) pussy is fairly exhausting, so I'm dubious.
What I don't like is how the redpill debate, "girls have it easier", is taking over 4chan on every board. Stop wasting time with things you cannot affect anyway.

>>7045750
did u understand that quote?

>>7045758
>doesn't agree with quote by pop author
>must not understand it

i understand what he's saying, and he's wrong.

>>7045772
hes saying that sexual liberation broaden the differences, he never advocated for pussy communism

>>7045734
It's more involved:
I agree 100% with your tactic of being casual first and then going towards her more sexually.
HOWEVER this only works if she's in your friend circle/your coworker or in any case if you can talk an hour minutes with her casually and know you'll get to interact with her.
PUA is, in large parts, about approaching and picking up on the streets and in bars and not to make some lovely girl you know into your gf. If you see a pretty girl on the street and do the PUA thing, you can't approach her and treat her like a friend, then ask for her number. Or at least that will not be effective than compared to showing her she's hot and that's why you're into her.

>>7045784
yes, i understood that you fucking retard, but the point is pussy was always like that, Ramses the second had what 50 kids or something...you think that was with one woman?

Wat do if you're an ubermensch and no modern woman is worthy of your affection or love?

Seriously, though, all I attract are tattoo covered whores and shallow social media dependent nutjobs. Sex isn't good enough to put up with that. Maybe athletes/fit women are the way to go?

>>7045787
>picking up random chicks on the street

do you have no friends or something? i guess i can see why this idea would appeal to shutins, but seriously, that's mostly a bad way to meet people

Why would you ever waste your time and money chasing sex with women you don't even like? If you're horny, just jack off.

>>7045806
i don't have a lot of privacy, i haven't had a good fap in ages, plus other dudes around here are always fucking their gf and i don't want to look like a fag

all hail the queen

>>7043006
eyy bby

>>7045798
What does having friends have to do with anything? Ignoring passersby is part of what keeps you a submissive consumer who doesn't want to rock the boat because of the existential consequences.

Talking to random people on the street is a revolutionary act and PUA is the modern manifestation of Situationism.

>>7042549
nah

>>7045752
>If you want to find a meaningful connection with someone
kekekekekekekekek

>>7045810
if you don't have privacy to jack off how are you gonna have sex

>>7045824
best be trollin ngr

>>7045834
i said i didnt have privacy, not that i live with my mom

i don't care if ppl hear me fucking, there's no shame in that, but vibrating the house wacking it and then having a jizzy smell wafting out of your room is a bad look

>>7045798
I'm not (>>7045824) but I think I've said it all in this post >>7045753:

>PUA comes down to
>>start hitting on girls relentlessly and you realize that nothing actually bad comes from it - and of course some of the chicks will actually also spread their legs because girls like sex too
>That works, you can be cooler than you were before and so I think it's a good thing PUA exists.

I think actually going out with the purpose of approaching is a waste of time, but trying to do it a few times and seeing that you don't get away with scars from it is a good lesson for 4chan browsing guys.
I went to Starbucks reading my Stirner copy, saw a qt and went to her -on purpose-, started talking to her with a questiong that wasn't one, "is this seat (on the other side of the table) free" and when she was receptive I started to talk about the books I had with me. I kept talking to her for 30 minutes with the intent of getting laid in the end and I'm banging her for 7 months now.

I "don't do this often", but knowing you can is not obvious. Start to talking with girls who are apparently wait for someone on the street for several minutes and intentionally get into a nice conversation (as I did yesterday, which after I ask for a date ended in "*smiley* my boyfriend wouldn't like that") can be done casual and isn't scary or insulting to anyone.

>>7045843
yank it in the shower

>>7045880
>I went to Starbucks reading my Stirner copy, saw a qt and went to her -on purpose-, started talking to her with a questiong that wasn't one, "is this seat (on the other side of the table) free" and when she was receptive I started to talk about the books I had with me. I kept talking to her for 30 minutes with the intent of getting laid in the end and I'm banging her for 7 months now.

cool story

>>7045890
well i mean i can get a nut off if i have to, but i'm taking about quality faps where you're naked with 30 browser tabs open

Why follow some false shepherd who just decides arbitrarily to be a leader of men when you can follow Jesus Christ who loved his followers and suffered a gruesome death for their sake?

>>7045893
I tried explaining spooks using the example of die hard vegans. When I explained who Stirner considers humans rights as a spook that should be dropped I ran against some protest - I didn't push it any further.

>>7045920
this tbh

>>7043106
fuckin word

>>7045923
You sound like someone I wouldn't stand irl

>>7045930
I doubt it.

>PUA
GIT

>>7045938
and that response just proves it further

PUA makes no sense. It makes sense for good looking men who like to seduce women to pass around tips among one and other. It doesn't make sense for men to train men who hate talking to / seducing women to do it in order to rescue their pride. Not only are there far better ways of learning to not hate yourself, but seducing women doesn't really help you. It's not like they are teaching men how to attract a wife and start a family and do something that they would actually be proud of.

PUAs are just capitalizing on the generation brought up on garbage films like American Pie where masculinity is about seduction rather than about responsibility, respect, etc. Being a seducer of women was actually considered fairly effeminate not too long ago.

>>7046007
Actually, think what PUAs do. They train men to put their pride constantly at the mercy of capricious whores. That is absurd.

>>7046007
It mixes a lot with conventional self-help guides. The industry that previously catered to women, now in this "become alpha" form for men.
The internet makes things worse in showing what you could have and the idea that other men get more than you.

I think the argument for the guy that doesn't actually plan on banging around still is that if you cross paths with a "girl of your dream" kind of chick, you'll not be afraid and too autistic to make a move.

>>7045604

>>7045700
>he should take that nerdy shit off and talk to he
She would have to take her headphones off.
Its kind of fucking annoying when people make you take your headphones off just because they wanted to small talk about nothing.

I'm pretty sure he would feel the same.

>>7046026
Exactly. If anything, there needs to be a course for re-programming the modern woman.

ITT: Shitposting contest.

All these people are spooked, but the dude who runs the Black Dragon blog is slightly less spooked than the rest.

He advocates polyamory or whatever it is where you constantly are fucking other people, he doesn't give a shit if a woman sleeps around because he's also sleeping around, and if she starts shit he immediately shuts her down and throws her in the trash, to be replaced with one of many other bitches.

Of course, he also makes room for a main chick, one that he falls in love with and that's in love with him, but he makes it clear that the relationship will always be open. The woman knows she is disposable, and hopefully the man never puts a woman above himself.

He seems genuinely happy with this arrangement, a lot happier than robots whining about cuckshit and women every waking hour of their lives.

how the fuck is this betamax bullshit still up but the mods deleted the thread about My Twisted World, one of those best indictments of our generation ever penned?

>>7047314
Because they're faggots