/lit/ - Literature

it's ok time isn't real

Yes, I often wonder whether I'm wasting my life.

So then I go on this board, just to make sure.

Read Parmenides; time is a spook

>>6943874
if it all gets too much just go rape a coupla people and kill yourself you're just gonna die some day anyhow

if that's not your thing then stop being a little bitch and get on with life like the rest of humanity

Sure, but it's a reality so you just have to deal with it. I'd love not having to work and did have a spell of NEETdom for a few years, but i have no choice but to wageslave now.

Your post encompasses exactly why i hate working. It isn't the work itself, even though it's mostly boring, it's bearable, it just takes up all my time and energy. I have no time in the week to do anything i'm seriously interested in because even though i do have a few hours free in the evening i'm completely drained and weekends just fly by.

>>6943874
No, but I do often get unreasonably angry that I have to spend the majority of my time doing labor in order to simply survive. I don't like that I have to contribute to a system that I didn't sign up for, and I don't like the pressure that's put on a person to get a job and go to school to get another job, but I don't know of any alternatives that I'm capable of so I can't complain without sounding like a communistic teenager.

Significance isn't measured in length. You're caught up in the false perception that permeates through the entirety of the modern world that value is equated to abundance. Some of the most important moments of my life lasted for what you would see as a brief fleeting length of time.

Don't be blinded by worldly, materialistic conceptions of value. They were born out of carnal pursuits.

>>6943901
This is terrible advice. OP, please do not listen to this degenerate.

>>6943917
Spiritual aristocracy is what you're looking for

>>6943896
But I like browsing 4chan, it's not a waste of my time to me. But, say if the Internet crapped out or my PC broke for a few weeks: that's literally a few weeks that I won't get ever get back because there's not much in my life except the Internet, however sad it sounds.

Maybe I'm just impotently getting angry at the unpredictability of life that causes these setbacks and wastes.

>>6943874
Yes, we are wasting our time freeing other people's time up. The wealthy are free, but often don't realize what to do with their time either. They're good at hiding existential thoughts though. They shut out so much they don't realize they're hastening all of our extinction along.

With birth there is death, for individuals and society as a whole. The dinosaurs time on earth dwarfs ours but it too is like a droplet in an ocean of time.
Pay it no mind, just enjoy. The atheist point of view is the proper one.

>>6943940
whatever helps you seep at night, champ

>>6943943
It really isnt. It's just a justification for willful ignorance and sheep like acceptance of the very forces you know are eroding meaning to our existence.

Your apathetic view isn't at all proper, all it actually is is lazy

Yes,

that's why you live as best as you can, every moment counts.

Yes, even while waiting for the bus you can do something meaningful.

You goddamn economically illiterate troglodyte

'Wage slavery' isn't a thing. You are payed proportional to the marginal product of your labor. You are not exploited, because labor itself does not and never had conferred value, making your efforts only 'worth' in any sense what they are able to be exchanged for.

More importantly, you have more leasing time now than in any time since the fucking g dawn of agrarianism. You want to live like a 1950s family man, with one car, no electronics, one single storey house and conscious of your purchases? You can do that on just two days a week worth of work.

It's not your job that's gnawing at your sense of accomplishment, it's your shitty, consciously unfulfilling life. If you want to experience truly unmatched qualitative existence, go join the YPG and fight IS, get some scars, spend a few years in a monestary, write so you can let others see your soul, learn to lead, and have a family. It's either that, or have a decent but miserable condition where you can upgrade your gaming/4chan PC every 12 months.

You're going to be dead in decades, person. So am I. It's you're call, don't be a bitch. Or do, but don't be a despicable, wasted bitch. Misery has heights all it's own.

>>6943961
Your conception of what is meaningful is born of tool like utilitarianism, and is ultimately nothing but a thin facade that masks a nihilistic emptiness

>>6943901
Who do you think you are to say these things, do you even know the impact of your words, shame on you.

And to answer OP, well I know that I am currently wasting my vacation by doing nothing but now and then I forget and try to live in the present.

Honestly I can't really help you, I'm in the same bag as you.

yeah op it must be really eating you up that's why you waste your whole life shitposting on /lit/

>>6943917
>Significance isn't measured in length.
This really spoke to me, thank you. Having it summed up like that really alleviates this shit feeling I've had for months.

>>6943967
I don't really give 2 fucks about having a 'meaningful' existence. I just want to maximize pleasure until I die and the internet does that just fine. I wish I was born as one of those carefree sons of the wealthy elite. Just going through life without a care in the world.

>>6943960
>Meaning
It's not lazy at all, it's open to interpretation. I see life's meaning as a struggle to improve the quality of life for all, perpetually. That project is far from lazy.
You imagine evils coming out of this kind of world. –Oh, how exciting.

>>6943874

No I don't because I didn't get a job in a field that made me feel like I was wasting my time.

Maybe try that OP?

You could set and reach pretty significant life goals if you want it bad enough.

Or you can just bitch about it until you die.

This all depends on what you would consider "wasteful" and "useful" expenditures of your time.

I have a feeling most of you here think in consumeristic terms in which you view your existence as being of utilitarian value to the collective and measure the worth of your time spent in "productivity" as if the meaning of your life is to produce units of goods and services on an industrial scale, like the society you are a part of is nothing more than a factory full of workers.

This mentality seeps into every aspect of your life, not just your working life. Once you have deconstructed this mindset within yourself, you will no longer feel this way, like you're on the clock and expected to produce efficient work

>>6944027
The irony of what you've just said is that you don't even believe in any inherent meaning to anything, so by the very nature of your entire world view, it's literally impossible for the entirety of humanity to be unified in what exactly it means to lead a "quality life". You don't even have the faintest conception of what that means yourself. You just speak in vague, sentimental universalist terms that ultimately mean nothing and exist to be a neutral cop out for those who don't wish to actually engage in defining reality.

In order to have your way with your idealized world, you'd have to forcibly convert all of humanity into sharing your arbitrary, subjective view of reality. It's an unending labrynth of contradictions

>>6944081
You're in over your head, anon.

Assuming you are not from old money, it would be foolish to think you have less leisure time then normal people had in the past—are you unaware where you are right now?

>>6944111
Why don't you think of a response that actually contains something I can respond to? If you don't have anything to say, just stop posting

>>6944137
It's an absolutely massive misconception that we somehow have more free time than people did in the past. In ancient Rome, the majority of the population only worked a few months out of the year, and the rest of their time was spent in a vast array of other pursuits

>>6943874
yep

this is also why your average person doesn't read or seriously pursue their hobbies and passions

they just don't have the time

>>6944144
He's a tripfagging retard, he thrives on shitposting and the attention of others.

>>6944111
>gets BTFO
>shitposts
I can't wait for you to leave

>>6944160
you have unrealistically high opinion of laborers, friend. if proletarians had free time they would just waste it watching tv, browsing 4chan and just laying around doing jack shit, might as force the brutes to get off their asses and do something productive through market forces.

>>6944250
>productive
Spook

>>6944144
And why don't you check my dub-trips?

>The irony of what you've just said is that you don't even believe in any inherent meaning to anything, so by the very nature of your entire world view, it's literally impossible for the entirety of humanity to be unified in what exactly it means to lead a "quality life".
Most people want a nice life.
We could get that if we were able to put the minority in a corner for being so naughty.
>You don't even have the faintest conception of what that means yourself. You just speak in vague, sentimental universalist terms that ultimately mean nothing and exist to be a neutral cop out for those who don't wish to actually engage in defining reality.
It's not so much vague as it is the big picture. i don't owe you details, you believe in "muh human nature" as inherently evil or whatever. Suck it, kid.
>In order to have your way with your idealized world, you'd have to forcibly convert all of humanity into sharing your arbitrary, subjective view of reality. It's an unending lab[yri]nth of contradictions
It would take a few generations of patience and dedicated hard work, but the results that would convert the unconvinced as we go along.

>>6944212
>BTFO
HAH! Hardly.

Well, there is actually serious scientific research being done to treat and prevent aging. Literally finding a cure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0lvxTm2iLg
sens.org
fightaging.org

But they are gravely in need of funding and have a hard time getting the message out there.
I guess if you are feeling down about getting older, you could help them out a bit.

>>6943967
>It's not your job that's gnawing at your sense of accomplishment, it's your shitty, consciously unfulfilling life. If you want to experience truly unmatched qualitative existence, go join the YPG and fight IS,

i agree that op is leading a "consciously unfulfilling" life but simply telling them to throw themselves into the YPG is not the magic band-aid you make it out to be. you left out the part where they still have to consciously lead a fulfilling life. otherwise joining YPG is pointless imo.

a fulfilling life isnt necessarily achieved from dying for a righteous cause. like the m.c. in "the mezzanine," wherein he finds himself marveling at what are commonly perceived as mundane objects (like a straw or milk carton, etc). he doesnt just drag his feet miserably from point A -> B. he sees the beauty in the construction of everyday objects and this exults him and propels him through his lunch hour. dfw's "this is water" speech touches upon similar ideas iirc. ^

lol wagecucks

>>6944271
Again, you yourself don't even have any conception of what a "nice life" is, let alone what a "nice life" on a universal scale is. Your entire perception of existence is inherently meaningless, and what you associate as valuable is frivolous. You haven't actually given this mentality any true in depth thought, you just hide behind the most empty terms of senimentality that you can.

The only thing your nihilistic emptiness would lead go is humanity reduced to its lowest form, this pig like egalitarianism where the collectivist masses robbed of their true individuality and meaning revel in filth and seek fulfillment in sensory hedonistic pursuits

>>6943874
why do you create a false dichotomy between "leisure" and "labor" time. your life should be your work. if it isn't you've taken a job that pays over a job that you desire, you've eaten too piggishly from the trashcan and are now spiritually obese, colon distended and hemorrhoidic with ideological constipation.

>>6944318
You sound mad.
And you have no idea how to answer me in kind the way you told me to.

Your mental blockage concerns me, but I'm not going to let it bother me too much. You consistently project and misread everything I've said. You're determined to not listen to a thing I have to say; so be it.

Live a life of travel.

i can't for monday till i can get back to work. people that are bitter about having to work are like little kids who would rather go to mcdonalds and get a happy meal than fine dining. get some taste, you lazy pleb.

>>6943874
Time is running out because as a society we choose to perpetuate old memes about virtues of hard labor etc instead of creating glorious automated utopia (technology that could make that possible was available 10 years ago).
Instead of designing our lifestyle around automated labor we continue to indulge in postmodernist intellectual masturbation, rationalizing futility of our existence.

That's why we can't have nice things.

>>6944338
>if it isn't you've taken a job that pays over a job that you desire

but the best part of capitalism is, the more fun a job is the more it pays!

>>6944357
You actually haven't yet said anything that actually has any meaning, most likely because you are entirely incapable of doing such a thing. You exist in a purposeless nihilistic void. Any meaning that you think you discern in the emptiness that permeates through your world from within your soul is arbitrary and paper thin. You have no real foundation to stand upon, so everything that you say and believe in crumbles at even the most slight of assaults.

Stop being a hypocrite and accept the inherent meaningless of the belief that you choose and stop trying to talk to people as if you have any wisdom whatsoever to share. Just accept that you have nothing to say

>>6944378
-3/10

>>6944338
>your life should be your work
There is no "should" in life.

I do feel that passion should more closely correlate with 'work' though.

>>6943874
>Due to wage slavery we have a comparatively miniscule amount of leisure time
There are animals (e.g. whales, polyps) and numerous plants that don't have to think or work to sustain themselves. Food and energy comes to them by design, as a consequence of simple physical laws.

One day humans will achieve the same ability and then all motivation talk about virtue of labor will be thrown into trash.

We have to live miserably not because there is virtue in misery, but because our biological design is flawed, slapped together by evolution without consideration of our feelings. And we don't have neither the necessary technology nor the political will to change it yet.

>>6944401
>-3/10

stay salty, my unskilled laborer friend

>>6944412
>our biological design is flawed
No it's not flawed. It just _is_.

>>6944421
If I don't like it then it looks flawed to me.
Rationalizing our objective biological flaws perpetuates misery.

>>6944387
>that actually has any meaning
To you.

There's your irony.

>Stop being a hypocrite and accept the inherent meaningless of the belief that you choose
You're head is either too thick to get this point across to you or it's full of holes and the information keeps leaking out.
You're a dumb person at this point in your life. I hope you get better.

>>6944437
You are delusional my friend if you think you can defeat the scourge of misery with flights of fancy.

>>6944421
Actually I lied about the fact that we don't have the necessary technology. Genetic engineering is 30 years old, it's just that these techniques are available only to a tiny group of scientists and politicians forbid many cool experiments on large mammals.

Imagine how cool would it be to add green photosynthesizing symbionts to our skin or something like that.

The overeconomization of life is a problem, I agree.
Work itself is important though, it's the rising demand for efficiency that kills it.
I am for now in a lucky position as a student, though. So there's little I can say about work I don't have full control over speaking from personal experience.

>>6944464
>hurr dude just make them photosynthesize it's easy and it'll solve all our problems
you just created a whole new dimension to be retarded in

>>6944442
No anon, to you. You don't believe in objective meaning, so therefore everything that you say or claim to believe in is arbitrary. How do you not understand this when it's the mentality that you yourself live with? You're an advocate of neutral apathetic tolerance towards existence. You perpetuate the soullessness of the modern world.

Don't sit there and actually try to convince people that the empty shell of the human experience that you want for the world is in any way a good idea.

>>6944464
It would be... something. Would it have an effect on the human condition though? Or would our increased energy only leader to a swifter end?

>>6944461
"Misery" is a state of human mind that is correlated with certain brain centers activated/inhibited and certain concentrations of several biochemical species in them.
Pain isn't some sacred gift from God, it's just another neural mechanism.
There are documented mutant humans that don't have feeling of pain. There are people that aren't prone to depression.

It's all in the genes and we could change it if we wanted to. But it's so much easier to sanctify our defects instead..

>>6943900
don't we have to perceive time as real if we are paid according to time and we need money to survive (at least if you want to have a comfortable life)?

>>6943917
>Significance isn't measured in length
definitely agree. my orgasms last about 5 seconds.

>>6944476
>photosynthesize+have enough skin area
=>
>don't have to work for food
There are other solutions of course, but almost every solution is better than primitive political solution of driving people into wageslavery.
>>6944482
>It would be... something. Would it have an effect on the human condition though? Or would our increased energy only leader to a swifter end?
We don't know until we try. I think that if people will have more physical freedom (e.g. no need to waste a half of your life to earn yourself food and shelter) they'll be happier.

>>6943874
Homeless people have a lot of free time. Do that.

>>6944498
How does one succumb to such childish false perceptions of sciencism? It's one of the most tragic ironies of the human mind. You think you are defining reality and the human experience within this perfect model, but you don't realize the truth that this model is inherently flawed and completely limits your perceptions to the point where you are incapable of understanding the human experience and it's meaning at all.

Your identity has become that of the tool you work with rather than that of a man using this tool to discover and create

>>6944511
well, from what I remember from special relativity time in spacetime receives a factor of c, giving it the same unit as the other 3 coordinates.
So... 5 seconds are a length. About 1.5 x 10^9 meters

>>6944478
Dearest dumb person.

I know damn well there is no inherent meaning to life, but this does not conclude that there cannot ever be a purpose to life. I have spelled out a monumental directive *purpose* for life, and it is the perpetuation and parallel improvement for it as we progress.
Life is to be lived. Enjoyed. For as long as possible. If you don't see it this way, you have yourself a problem.
Get well soon.

Sincerely, « Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ »

>>6944442
how do you want to improve people's lives? nice almost quints btw

>>6944250
>>6944257
He has a point though. I agree with Napoleon in that a Republic can't function because of all the illiterate public that have the right to vote.

Imagine if every redneck were given months off per year not to work to do whatever they wanted, how would that work for our state? Or even the working professionals who are intertwined with global economy?

>>6944518
Time is a precious commodity but it doesn't equal happiness.

>>6944518
>>photosynthesize+have enough skin area=>>don't have to work for food
hey retarded moron faggot, guess why the photosynthesizing organisms sit around doing fuck all except having a maximized surface area

if you want to turn yourself into a lawn just put a bullet in your head and I'll fertilize the ground with your ugly corpse

not to mention the vulgarity of utilizing the most cutting-edge technology we have yet invented to allow people to do what hobos have been doing all along, eating without paying

i legitimately hope you die

>>6944537
Ending capitalism, other spooks. Higher educations for all.
Do odd things to civilization, like invent wheels, introduce iron, start economic and political revolutions, you change people's way of thinking. We should rest here with this liberal-capitalist world. It's rather dangerous to do so actually.

>>6944537
Don't feed the retard.

>>6944577
Oh damn
>We shouldn't rest here

>>6944523
>false perceptions of sciencism
Call them false when you publish an experiment that disproves them.
>You think you are defining reality and the human experience within this perfect model
There are no perfect models, especially for such complex systems as the mammal brain, but there are working, predictive, useful models: "If you have c.3312G>T or one of 13 other known SNPs in your SCN9A gene, you can't feel pain". You can't deny such objective truths, your only escape route is metaphysics.
>limits your perceptions
I'd say that it makes me more aware of the physical basis of my function and experience.

Evolution won't stop at Homo Sapiens Sapiens. The more we know about us, the more we have real existential choices.

>>6943967
>Calls another poster illiterate.
>Doesn't know how to properly use grammar.
>Irony: The Post.
Your writing reads like that of a rich suburban kid who has never actually worked.

>>6944534
>tfw my cum can't even reach the sun

>>6944537
Politics-driven replacement of human labor with machine labor and basic income.

>>6944577
>Ending capitalism
>improving peoples lives
pick one

>>6944551
I will also grow poison needles that paralyze your body and tentacle ticklers that make you laugh uncontrollably, my unmodified friend :3

Where does dancing the night away fit into all of this?

>>6944535
Anon, if you actually spent any amount of time actually analyzing your beliefs, you'd see very clearly that it actually does mean that exactly, that because you don't believe in any inherent meaning in anything, that you cannot have any true purpose.

You are actually just a disgusting product of the modern world. All of these arbitrary ideals you spout, "progress" and "improvement", are thin facades that once peeled away reveal that you exist for nothing but consuming out of gluttonous desire to perpetuate your meaningless existence for absolutely no reason at all.

How do you not understand the flaws in everything you're posting? You don't even know what you mean by progress or improvement. You know that life cannot be enjoyed simultaneously by everyone in the same way. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously like this let alone have the entire world operate under these ideas?

>>6944595
I'm not advocating ending capitalism, but just what do we do when there is much less jobs than citizens? Do we capture homeless and liquefy them into soylent green?

>>6944611
>You know that life cannot be enjoyed simultaneously by everyone in the same way.
heroin

>>6944587
slightly larger than the sun's diameter tho

>>6943874
>mfw we have more fucking leisure time then any person in fucking history
>mfw socialists are fucking faggots who refuse to stop trying to ruin a good thing we have going here

lads do you think humans can become gods?

And I don't mean becoming immortal.

I seem to remember several passages from Uspensky back when I was young, that humanity undergoes this process of purification and only the strongest most pure spirit gets to survive and merge with the universe.

I also seem to remember that Schopenhauer had some sort of similar idea with regards to saints/yogis.

>>6943896
10/10

>>6944617
I'm pretty sure that's what American society would prefer over providing basic income.

I love how America clings to this Biblical motto of "If a man does not work, he shall not eat," but disregards the fact that the maxim doesn't function quite as well when there isn't any work for the man in question to begin with.

One would think that eventually the system won't be sustainable, as at some point people won't have money to spend on products anyways, at which point capitalism will not matter.

>>6944637
We don't merge with the universe, we ARE the universe

>>6944611
F-

>>6944584
It's actually terrifying that people like you exist, that you actually think you're progressing humanity rather than understanding that you're putting it on the fast track to degeneration. It's disgusting. You dehumanize the entire human experience and trap yourself in these severely limited artificial perceptions that keep you blind from the truth of your existence.

I hope you can understand the irony that it's the mentality that you have that has made the current state of humanity lower than its ever been despite our technological advances

>>6944649

humanism is sentimental bullshit tbh.

>>6944645
Do you have anything to say beyond the absolutely frivolous statements that you want "to make the world a better place"? You lack any sort of depth to your thinking at all. Literally all you believe in is "enjoyment"

>>6944654
I doubt that he is humanist, he looks more like some sort of metaphysical religious fundamentalist to me (not sure about religious though, but there is certain dogmatism).
It is understandable that people try to escape the flesh jail they were born into, and metaphysics is one of the easier ways to escape.

Humanists like me want people to live happier, fuller lives and be in control of those lives.

>>6944661
I'm not him, but to me the most straightforward way to make the world a better place is investing time and money into automation of labor and rethinking our daily lives around this concept.
Also it's important to make other people more aware of the problem and the potential solution.

>>6944689
I agree with you, also reduce the world population

>>6944675
What you're failing to understand is that the "happiness" you're advocating is lowly hedonistic excess. This "fullness" you think people will feel is nothing but a fleeting sensory diversion from the true emptiness of their soul. You actually believe you can overcome a purposeless existence with entertainment, and it sickens me

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

>>6944689
>>6944695
This is the exact horror of the modern world that I'm taking about. Look at what you just said. Look at how you view existence. Your mind has been so infected with the over economization of society that you view the betterment of the human condition in terms of production efficiency. You have literally become a tool rather than a man. You desire to see the world turned into the most efficient production factory possible where we're all neatly organized utilities.

You've actually reached a point where you've substituted what's good for the human experience with efficient industrialization practices

>>6944712
how so? with robots doing all the work we will have more time for focus on other things rather than spend the whole day on a lifesucking job

>>6944696
>"happiness" you're advocating is lowly hedonistic excess
I agree that there is more to happiness than simply stimulating opioid receptors, but biological well-being is a good prerequisite for working your way up to intellectual well-being.
>emptiness of their soul
I don't believe in souls.
>You actually believe you can overcome a purposeless existence with entertainment
Physical processes have no purpose, and if humans have any purpose it's the one they create themselves.
Entertainment in a wide sense is everything people do that doesn't immediately contribute to their survival. I don't see anything bad about entertainment, be it either watching dumb TV channels or writing novels.
>>6944712
>You desire to see the world turned into the most efficient production factory possible where we're all neatly organized utilities.
You are misinterpreting me. Actually now the majority of humans really are cogs in various business entities, and I want to reverse this trend.
I want a world where people have a choice what to do with their time. As of now the majority of people doesn't have this choice.

>>6943874
Time isn't running out, as long as you are alive you have a chance to be happy

>>6944727
Is that really what was enslaving us anon? Our jobs? The question that should be asked is not "free from what?" but rather "free for what?". In your scenario here, once humanity is "freed" from the little purpose they had in this meaningless modern world, they would just descend into formless chaos.

You're only considering the symptoms rather than the source of the issue at hand

>>6944743
You lack the belief in any inherent meaning, so any ideas you have are without foundation and will inevitably crumble at the first opposition it encounters.

>>6944751
What should we do in your opinion?

>>6944775
Order our existence to our higher nature rather than our lower nature

>>6944770
Cool implications, brah

we arrived to the point of no return; when it's obvious that no one cares about anything but money then cockckckck cock cock cock cock lord invasion of the cock mongers balalaaa balalaaaaaa cock cocke cockck cocko cocka

>>6944891
>cuckckckck cuck cuck cuck cuck lord invasion of the Louis C.K. balalaaa balalaaaaaa cuck cucke cuckck cucko cucka
Fixed that prose for you friend :^)

>>6944907
what is c u c k ?

>>6944915
It's the new trendy word my cuckfriend

>>6944926
well cucked! i like this new cuck stuff

what is: vcuc?

>>6943940
Time you enjoy wasting isn't wasted.

You fuckers spend so much time wanking about how best to live, yet have no idea about living under capitalism

If your time is valuable to you, don't ever work for a wage. Browse /biz/, explore how to make your time and money work for you. You're young, make it count

http://wallstreetplayboys.com

>>6945051
>make your time and money work for you.
Immoral if ever there was an immorality.
You aren't making "your money" work for you, you're making people work while you vacation/holiday your life away. Real cushy. Not a nice thing to do to people.

>>6945125
Do you like lana del rey?

>>6945125
who cares lmao

>>6945135
Is that the Video Games chick? Isn't she a one hit wonder by now?

>>6944780
And what is our higher nature? Heroic struggle? Application of the mind? So much of this in the workforce serves to fuel the lower nature of our superiors, and to that I reply a resounding "fuck that".

>>6943874

> don't you feel a sense of urgency and distress?

Yes, the motor is roaring but I'm in neutral.

> As if you are literally wasting your life

Yes.

I'm saving enough money to feed myself for a year on baked beans and cheap bread while living on a relatively local beach in a tent. Once I've finished everything I plan to read I'll kill myself.

>>6945145
yeah that's her, not sure about that

>>6945125

>You aren't making "your money" work for you, you're making people work while you vacation/holiday your life away.

Not saying I necessarily disagree with you, but can you elaborate on why you think this? Are you fundamentally opposed to capital gains and non-zero interest rates?

>>6945125
This is an emotional appeal.

Not being nice to people doesn't mean jackshit, you are not obligated to be nice.

>>6945160
Do you like Regina Spektor

>>6945165
Their labor makes the product or service, therefore the money is theirs. You steal it by "legal" contract. A spooky formality. This is a rotten (Some say "immoral") way to live whether you feel guilty for it or not. Either way it's bad for you. Yes, you're free, free to be lazy or whatever you want, furthering your education, virtually free, or taking the time you need to write your novels, but you are perpetuating a sick system that robs from people.
Etc.

>>6945194
Freaking communist.

You say the formality is a spook but do you realize that your bad feeling might be a spook itself?

>>6945178
Then they are free to rob from you that which you stole.

Don't be a sociopath, anon. Be nice.

>>6945194
You don't have any moral foundation to stand on here anon. How can you deem yourself worthy to tell anyone else what they are doing is wrong when the basis of your entire mentality is that there is no inherent meaning to anything and people should be allowed to live how they want? You can't have it both ways. Don't speak of morality when you have no basis for it yourself.

>>6945197
They are free to rob me as I can rob them.

That's true freedom.

>>6945194
not really

>>6945195
Dead bodies and starving children aren't spooks.
The emotions may be classified as such, but don't go switching your cap now Padre.

>>6945201
>Don't speak of morality when
People have emotions. Most people want to good. And it would be in everyone's best interests to be *nice*

>>6945203
Do you suppose god or the faithful are all that stands in the way of humanity killing itself?

>>6945215
Dead bodies and starving children are reality, but the bad feeling when you see these things are spook i.e. not real.
>Do you suppose god or the faithful are all that stands in the way of humanity killing itself?
Humanity advances by constantly stampedes on each other until we show who's boss.

>>6945217
I don't think feelings are spooks

I hate communists so fucking much.

plant trees that bear fruit to give to the homeless, your neighbors. If you plant enough even the rotten fruit fallen on the ground in your disinterest will feed the earth and clean the air. long after even your death, as a individual, as a species.

>>6945217
You misunderstand what the nature of these spooks are and they can do.

>>6945229
They're in the head, so they are, but this doesn't mean one should become coldly indifferent to the suffering

>>6945229
They are as real as morality, laws, religions and other so-called spooks.

>>6945239
You just want to follow your spook and deny my spook.

Nay, I cling to my belief, you cling to your.

>>6945239
>>6945241
what is not a spook then?

>wake up, speed minutes shower, shave, shit, brush teeth: 15 minutes
>speed eat oatmeal, eggs eggs and breakfast cooked from last minute: 15 minutes
>write 1 hour before going to work
>go home, skip watching TV for 3 hours
>spend 3 hours writing

The truth is, the majority of people are plebs and don't have the drive and motivation to write or work on their dreams.

>>6945245
Reality, physical things.

But the truth is, one virtual reality becomes realistic enough, everything is spook.

>>6945125
If you live in a first world country, so do you, to a smaller extent perhaps

I just don't give a shit anymore

>>6944649
You got to be rich to think like that. Most of humanity through most of human history would give their left nut to live the way we do.

It's amusing that you define objective reality as "limited artificial perceptions" when what you're defending are literally just fevered imaginings.

>>6945252
then feelings shouldn't be a spook because they're material (caused by chemicals that gives you a physichal experience), maybe the events that causes those feelings could be spooks like feeling shame because you broke some social code but the feeling itself is not a spook.

>>6945234
[Pic]

>>6945244
Which is yours again? Oh right. The one that causes wars, starvation and general inequality in a game of classes
>>6945253
I have always given this proverbial shit.

>>6945213
What about Nicole Atkins?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q61K3eNLZRU

>>6945258
Laws and morality are based on feelings, so yeah, if feelings are not spooks then laws and morality got solid foundation.

>>6943916
Ahh you're starting to realise why people are left wing

>>6945260
>Which is yours again? Oh right. The one that causes wars, starvation and general inequality in a game of classes
The one that makes the world that is yes.

Competition, death, survival, innovation, breakthrough.

Did you know why your post got zero reply? Because you're a loser who doesn't produce anything of value, so you backwards rationalize. Instead of writing a book that will make a positive impact on humanity for generations to come, or help invent a cure for cancer or contribute to A.I, you just live your sheeple life and die a sheeple, forever forgotten because you fail to work hard.

>>6943916
>you mean i have to work to survive?

welcome to life. Prehistoric, Ancient, Classical, Modern. Whatever time period you wish you were a part of. You have to work to survive. Faggot.

>>6945258
You're my new lawyer, anon.

>>6945262
they would be spooks if they're not based on your own feelings

>>6945258
You're my new lawyer, anon.

>>6945264
May Pope Francis stab you with that hammer and sickle crucifix

>>6945276
They are based on the majority's feelings actually.

>>6945278
>May Pope Francis stab you with that hammer and sickle crucifix
Not if I shoot his commie ass first.

>>6943916
You can have a lifestyle with minimal effort that 99% of people who've lived over the past 50,000 years would envy.

Anything more than that is gravy. You get to decide how bad you want to listen to the matrix telling you what you need to be happy.

The question for 21st century 1st world man is, how to find meaning and worth when survival needs are trivially fulfilled.

>>6945282
And where will you hide when all those Catholics come after you?

>>6945290
In the forest, in the mountain, where I can run and when I still have bullets.

Shoot them all and let God sort them out.

>>6945125
>out of sight, out of mind
You'd be surprised how applicable this is to most aspects in life

>>6944412
>>6944498
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>>6944584
good posts. Keep posting here

>>6945154
why read if not to create? All those authors did, don't you look up to them and thank them for their service to mankind... I mean if there is no measurable effect in the world that you've read why not kill yourself now before reading? (not that you should, just wondering your reasons)

>>6945194
>You steal it by "legal" contract.

Yeah but do you want to be the hammer or the nail in life

> don't get enough shifts at work
> be productive in actual creative and useful manners but have no money
> get enough shifts at work
> get money but no energy to be creative or useful