/lit/ - Literature

Laughter is such a nervous gesture I can barely see how it can be healthy. I mean just look at that guys face on the right it seems like he is in pain

>Nietzschean

OP's constipated

>>6784434
≥heideggerean Marxism

>anti stalin "marxists"

>>6784469
>Being against the inevitable consequence of your ideology

>>6784454

There are different kinds of laughter.

nervous laughter ranks at the bottom of the feel-good scale.

>Capitalists who are not ultra rich

>>6784511

>>6784511
Kek

>"intelligent" /lit/izens other than me

>deontology
>left-wing
>Platonist

>critical theory

>>6784791
What is wrong with deontology?

>Patrician

>>6784796
It doesn't get 'er done.

>>6784796
Acting out of duty can also produce terrible consequences. Even if it was the right action that doesn't mean there won't be terrible aftermath. Also, what if I don't want to act on my duty. It represses individual desire.

>>6784814
>Acting out of duty can also produce terrible consequences.
literally the entire point of deontology is that consequences don't matter

>>6784882
And the entire point of consequentialism is that only consequences matter. Good job.

>>6784434
>Leftwing is SJW whiners, tree hugging hippies and cultural cucks.
OP, I regret to inform you that you are a massive idiot. Please refrain from post on this board till something develops on your brain stem

>>6784904
I hope you aren't implying that leftism is anything but whining about problems that don't exist and trying to do things that aren't possible.

>>6784904
he might not have described the whole left, but he described you pretty well, butterfly

>catholicism

>>6784904

>tfw no one will put this degenerate down.

don't use sterner pics either you're not worthy.

>>6784914
>>6784921
He's implying that Nietzsche's philosophy can't be used by leftism. This is stupid, myopic. Even I can see Stirner could be corrupted by idiot rightwingnuts.
He probably still doesn't even know what leftism is.

>whining about problems that don't exist and trying to do things that aren't possible.
Is this even serious? Are you just planting that there to make rightwingers look even more stupid?

>>6784434
>traditionalism
>neoconservatism
I wouldn't laugh but most of /lit/ are a bunch of teenagers. They probably want to return to the 2000s to watch Sponge Bob Square Pants.

Same as /pol/.

>>6784944
My point is that leftists want to fix "problems" that aren't reasonably fixable and are thus a moot point.

>>6784972
What are some of these problems? Why aren't they "reasonably fixable"? Do you really believe all leftists are unified on these issues?

>>6784511
>discussing with someone who is pro-capitalist
>he is lower middle class
>he works in a shitty job
>he still defends the idea of free market
>he wants that companies have more freedom and less taxes
>mfw

>>6784938
But she's right, Monsieur. Try not to be distraught over your error.

>>6784966
Anyone with Rightist tendency on 4chan is worthy of sensible chuckles.

>>6784992
Aye, t'is so erry time, lad.

>>6784988
Leftists want equality of results as opposed to rightists who want equality of processes. The classic example of things leftist try to combat is wealth inequality. In law, they may support judicial activism. Trying to get equality of results often creates new inequalities, is expensive, and gives the government dangerous power. Now, anarchists are a whole other bag of problems.

>>6784992
He's probably not well-educated so it's easier for all the millions that are spent on libertarian propaganda online to get to him.

You should be able to talk him out of these things, though. Know your enemy and so on.

>>6784882
And that's why Deontology is a poor philosophy. Unless you believe in a god I suppose.

>>6785022
You mean left-liberals (center-rightists). Leftists want to abolish the value form and class society,

>>6785031
>Leftists want to abolish the value form and class society

That is essentially a variant of what I described.

>>6784434
>right-wing
>left-wing
It's a stupid way to classify ideologies/political leaning. Worse, people call themselves leftists or right-wing.
It has a lot of problems, you could say nazis were right wing, but then someone will tell you they wanted state capitalism so it's leftism, but then someone will say they are nationalists so they are right wing, and then someone will argue that nationalism isn't leftist/right-wing and so on and so on.

Communism is the same, is it lefti-wing?
Communists in the USSR hated leftists to the point leftists rebelled in some regions and they got fucked.

People should say "I'm liberal/conservative/traditionalist/socialist/communist/anarchist" but not leftist or rightist. It cause a lot of confusion.

>>6785043
It's not even close. You want a hard-line right-liberal world where market might makes right is allowed by the state. Left-liberals want a world where the market is free but is controlled so as to not become monopolistic or too collected in too few pools. Leftists want the market to burn down, to place every banker and business man's head on a pike, and retake the means of production for the commune society.

>>6785072
Maybe my definition is too casual for you. In general discussion people will refer to left-liberals as leftists.

>>6785072
>Leftists want the market to burn down, to place every banker and business man's head on a pike, and retake the means of production for the commune society.
leftists *wanted. now they just want a fully globalized shitlib theocracy, rights for sexual deviants, mass immigration and for you to check your priviledge.

>>6785084
As an American I know that we make this mistake but it's still wrong. The Democrats being left of the Republicans still places them firmly in the Right-wing camp. Media calling them "Left" is functionally a misinformation campaign.

>>6785087
Again, identity politics is right wing (liberal).

>>6785022
>Now, anarchists are a whole other bag of problems.
The bag of problems human kind has is the false value we place in class and money.
"Equality" has usually been used as an equality in the law. Treating people fairly. Hence "liberty and justice for all" (Freedom and equality) Another form of equity your types quake in their boot over economic equality. 'Oh boohoo, how dare those nasty leftists take our slaves away. Society will collapse"
Do you support the return of slavery? Most people in this world don't.

Slavery was one of those "that aren't reasonably fixable"

>>6784938
I can use him quite well actually. Anons "bag of problems" can and should be dealt with. This is the finest of purposes to make in your meaningless lives.

>>6785087
>rights for sexual deviants
Says the pervert on 4chin

For the record, I'd prefer no bloodshed in the revolution. But... Shit looks like its going to hit the fan

>>6785100
there is utterly no "leftist" movement in the west at all then, according to your radically narrow definitions. marxism untainted by identity politics is virtually extinct.

>>6785113
4chan deviants acknowledge their own deviancy, for the most part. they know how sick they are. they aren't about conducting a mass media-led masquerade pretending to be perfectly normal a-OK healthy people.

>>6785105
>false value we place in class and money

I don't care about class (and neither should anyone because you can't do anything reasonable about it) and I only value money insofar as it is economically beneficial. Money for money's sake is for plebs, but what are you gonna do about plebs?

>Slavery was one of those "that aren't reasonably fixable"

Slavery is actually an economically bad idea. It's prudent to only put slaves to work on things they can't easily sabotage, but such things can now be easily automated today.

>>6785114
There are Leftist movements but none in power, and they are decidedly small in the US especially. (Unless you consider Latin America Western, in which case only a few are in power.) Leftists agree that racism, sexism, etc. are bad but Leftists understand that these are symptoms of economic and class relations that need to be overturned, whereas identity politics is just a reformist movement in liberalism (that is: they don't want to stop capitalism, they just want minorities to be more included in the capitalist class and they want overt racism, sexism, etc. to be eradicated.)

Jesus fucking Christ everyone ITT >>>/pol/ what the fuck is your problem

>>6785155
/pol/ is for discussing amerifat politics bro
we aren't discussing those

>>6785143
>Leftists understand that these are symptoms of economic and class relations

Or, you know, people inherently don't like people who are different from them.

>>6785143
you really want to think of yourself as the true left but you're done dude. you're just like the conservatives after the neo-cons took over in the 80s.

>Breaking down the world into a series of labels so you feel that you have some meager understanding of it all and don't cry yourself to sleep

>>6785121
He's speaking of homosexuals primarily is not exclusively.

>>6785128
You just aren't what we'd call a deep thinker.

>>6785175
We're all human here anon.

>>6785179
>is not
*If not

>>6785165
You aren't people.

>>6785186
So what are you gonna do? Go ask the people why they do what they do?

>>6785189
Again, you aren't people.

>>6785203
Welp. I guess I ain't people.

>>6784972
If by leftism you mean socialism, then leftists want worker control over the means of production. I don't see how this isn't possible

>>6785050
Marxism was more left wing before Lenin, his ideas were a right wing deviation. Economically state socialism is left wing, its just highly authoritarian.
Nazi's were right wing, they had private ownership of the means of production and they privatised their public services, so it wasn't exactly socialist in anything other than name.

>>6785209
this post seems oddly bald without underage animu girl.

all implications that identity politics have any place in the discourse (i.e., leftists) get me chuckling.

good citizens support economic engineering to eliminate systemic biases and income inequality, while also supporting a slow broadening of those benefits and personal freedoms.

piketty, motherfuckers

Leftists who act like any major movement in the future won't feature extensive identity politics

>>6785326
>Good citizens support...

Better world citizens know that the game, no matter how many times or in what way, you reset it, will always go back to those systemic biases, income inequality and a narrowing of freedoms.

There can be no peace freedom and justice till capitalism is be destroyed.

>>6785367
>world citizens

>>6785271
>Marxism was more left wing before Lenin, his ideas were a right wing deviation.
Lenin, and Stalin, and the only two reasons that actually existing socialism (as opposed to fantasy socialism) existed in the Russosphere post-WW2. Lenin paid attention to Marx, and he understood the material conditions of the former Tsardom. The development of capitalism under the guide of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is socialism, it is not a right deviation. Anarcho-Communists wouldn't have survived the Nazi death machine and none of us would be having this conversation without Lenin.

>>6785367

Assuming that you are some flavor of anarchist, I am sure that once anarchy is 'established' (there's a brain-bender), individual humans and groups of humans will never again compete in any sense, for sexual access, resources, and so on, and it will certainly never occur to anyone to again formulate anything resembling a "state", since the elysium of equilibrium is such an obviously and immediately preferable state of affairs for all individuals in the equilibrium.

>>6785403
You scared.

>>6785394

Would that every genre you had just listed been strangled in its cradle. Although I suppose that there is a slight historical value in knowing what doesn't work, but it comes to little, since today very intelligent people still believe what isn't so, that is, that any flavor of communism or anarchism can or should be successfully implemented.

>left-wing
>right-wing
>centrist
>being involved in politics at all from any position

>>6785022
Wow, you live on another planet entirely. The left wants equality of opportunity, the right wants to maintain existing power structures which are unequal.

>>6785431
I'm not the moron you're answering, but I think there's something to be said here for the "establishment" of anarchy.
I think that the state is incompatible with a realization of the true nature of human relationships, and therefore that anarchy has a more pleasing aesthetic about it than statism.

What doesn't follow is that we should pursue anarchy. Is the only thing that fulfills you the empirical manifestation of true forms? I can be more happy and satisfied in a system built on false pretense, and I think that you can as well.

For our mutual benefit why shouldn't we knowingly participate in the lie of the just state, even if we see its injustice.

>>6784434
>communism
>dostoevsky praise
>atheism
>buddhism

>>6785745
Underated post.

Jesus Christ plz die poltards.

Stop coming here.

>>6785787
That might have been an accurate assessment a year ago.

The fact is that the '/pol/ diaspora' is an old idea, originally explicitly involving but not limited to--indeed, in a rare flash of foresight, preordained by logical necessity as a result of their inhabiting other forums long-term--their eventual identification with their new communities.

In other words, there is no bar to membership here, and they legitimately see themselves as part of the userbase.

I detest there presence here as much as you (more than you motherfucker fight me irl), but telling them to leave sadly passes right by them by force of cognitive dissonance.

They view themselves as you.

We cannot get rid of them.

>hold me /lit/

>>6784791
>being right wing

now you dun goofd fuccboi

>>6785271
>so it wasn't exactly socialist in anything other than name
Sure, if you refuse to consider millions of Germans in uniform as government employees.

>>6785810
>muh secret club

Step outside and talk to people if 4chan shitposters cause you this much depression.

I'm LMAOing at your life

>>6785929
>uniforms = socialism
>having this broad of a brush to tar your personal demons with

good luck with accepting the world and growing as a person

>>6785850
It's spelled fuckboy, the term has been taken over by white girls

>>6784434
Running into people that say they read Ulysses
Bonus points for saying they understood it
Triple-bonus points for saying they've read through it multiple times

>>6785787
Nope

>>6785954
I love shitposters. I am one. The christposting fad brings me endless enjoyment.

The flood of right-wing retards spamming the place I used to enjoy shitposting, constantly denying their thinly-veiled proselytization? Not as much.

You exaggerate my ennui, but there's less point in refuting that than bringing it up in the first place. So here's a free one on the chin.

>>6785971
just remember what the Buddha said in his final discourse before enlightenment, "Oi it's all just bantz anyway m8"

>>6785978
>can't tell if enlightened or written in a hurry

I'll take it, even though I expected more entertainment from such an open shot.

Here's another one.

>Traditional values libertarians

>considering the Bible as reasonable
>when it was never meant to be considered as reasonable

>>6785994
>Traditional values libertarians
Is there anything more patrician?

Commucucks tbh

>patrician

...

>>6786009

>>6784944
Fools and shallow thinkers (especially on the Right) have always claimed that the notions of Left and Right made no sense. What a sinister error. Although the practical positions of the Left and Right may vary, the values of Right and Left do exist. Nietzscheanism is obviously on the Right. The socialist mentality, the morality of the herd, made Nietzsche vomit. But that does not mean that the people of the extreme Right are Nietzscheans, far from it. For example, they are generally anti-Jewish, a position that Nietzsche castigated and considered stupid in many of his writings, and in his correspondence he singled out anti-Semitic admirers who completely misunderstood him.

Nietzscheanism, obviously, is on the Right, and the Left, always in a position of intellectual prostitution, attempted to neutralize Nietzsche because it could not censor him. To be brief, I would say that an honest interpretation of Nietzsche places him on the side of the revolutionary Right in Europe, using the concept of the Right for lack of anything better (like any word, it describes things imperfectly).

Nietzsche, like Aristotle (and, indeed, like Plato, Kant, Hegel, and Marx, of course — but not at all Spinoza) deeply integrated politics in his thinking. For example, by a fantastic premonition, he was for a union of European nations, like Kant, but from a very different perspective. Kant the pacifist, universalist, and incorrigible utopian moralist, wanted the European Union as it exists today: a great flabby body without a sovereign head with the Rights of Man as its highest principle. Nietzsche, on the contrary, spoke of Great Politics, a grand design for a united Europe. For the moment, it is the Kantian view that has unfortunately been imposed.

>>6784966
I have never seen any defence of neoconservatism here at all, ever unlike paleoconservatism. You are probably an ameican that doesn't even know the ideologies in his own country.

>>6784454
I once read an article that proposed that laughter is a mechanism that was used by our ancient ancestors to counteract adrenaline rushes. Apparently, the muscle spasms that make up laughter are designed to compress our internal organs, tricking our mind into sending out dopamine or some other feel-good chemical to soften the perceived injury, which thus makes us feel better.

>>6784966
>>neoconservatism

Talk about wanting to return to the 2000s

>>6784511

Why is it that people who are generally weaker, mentally and physically, are more likely to have left leaning political views?

>anti-degenerate liberal-capitalist

>>6786379
Because it's leftist policies that are the most accommodating to them in particular.

>>6786379
Read up on r/k selection.

And see this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8N3FF_3KvU

>>6786379
capitalist cucks are the most mentally weak pieces of shit in this society

>>6786379
Equality appeals to people who would be brought up by it.

i once saw somebody on /pol/ who was an anarcho-Papist

I'm not sure how you can claim to be both of those at once but w/e

>>6786447

You mean everyone?

>>6785050
>angry german hack
Uwe Boll has a valid point: everything that comes out of Hollywood is shit. He should have said it with more humor, tho.

>>6784992
It's an empirical mattered that has been settled long ago.

>>6786455
>You mean everyone?


>People actually believe this

>>6786406
Does this get good?

Oh my god this is great, thank you

>>6786458
This only works for white and East-Asian countries. Try this with Somalia.

There's literally nowhere that doesn't embrace capitalism in earnest nowadays that's worth a damn. So why even hold onto other ideals regarding economics besides trying to have a fantasy world in your head? pls don't say sweden.

>>6785750
Not the one you are replying to, but stuff like this always makes me baffled before I remember most people talking here are probably American. In Scandinavia our extreme right is probably more left than your far left, so for Swedes for example I hear a lot of reasonable complaints about their 'left' actually just bullshitting about menial problems when equal opportunity has already been established quadrillion years ago.

>>6786348
>they are generally antiJewish

The modern right is heavily proIsrael

/pol/ isn't the real world

>>6786423
>capitalism
>cucks

Comrade, you do know that traditional relationship models are vestiges of an outdated system and are patriarchal in nature. All true revolutionaries should embrace cuckolding! Spread the word.

>>6786470
Because /lit/ is full of unemployed undergrads who were failures at life.

Most of the world is moving towards a mixed economic system without them.

>>6786451
kek

>>6786458
You're right, man! Those guys in Equatorial Guinea are doing great, who the hell cares about:

>Child labour
>Human trafficking
>AIDS
>Life expectancy

It must be because of their GDP/capita, wich is higher than, than that of countries like Spain,Portugal, Greece, Russia, Poland, Israel, etc.

>>6786565
Bad example, those problems are prevalent in central Africa regardless of the economic system and transcend borders there

>>6786468
>picking a failed state

Not fair anon, even if you choose countries in the periphery of capitalism, like latin america, it's pretty undeniable how at least in a material sense their lifes have gotten better. Especially when these countries are not plagued by demagogues and poor administrators

>>6786511
He said the extreme right is generally anti-jewish.

I'm yet to see pro-Israel neo-nazis

>>6784434

>people who complain about left-wing Nietzscheanism because they haven't read Deleuze

>>6786585
Oh the extreme right.

Who cares what the lunatic fringe thinks?

>>6786585
makes no sense

wouldn't they want jews to be aweay from them in their own country?

and additionally wouldn't they be ok with a country founded through military might?

>>6786607
This site cares, 4chan is all about tumblrites and /pol/acks, which are both lunatic fringes.

I personally fear they are becoming ever more common. I don't know if being here so long skewed my perception, but I keep meeting more and more of these types irl

>>6786607
Ever notice how we are supposed to be 'scared' of the rise of the radical right but everyone laughs at the thought of a rise from the far-left?

>>6786649
tbh at least in my country,the far right. or what passes as far right here, is far more present than the far left

>>6786655
Jesus, that is not how I punctuated this shit

*tbh at least in my country the far right, or what passes as far right here, is far more present than the far left

>>6786348
Right and left is just a convenient shorthand to describe extremities in politics. Not all on the right are anti-semitic, but that is the general side that holds the bigots. The lefttwing can't be pinned down simply "the morality of the herd" anymore than the right can lay claim to individualism. They do this to too much of an extreme these days imo.

Similarly Nietzsche can't be pinned down as *belonging* to either.

(I don't have time right now. Have a nice day)

>only critic approved classical literatures are good / worth reading

>>6786649
Both should be reviled for the garbage that they are

>>6786750
This is the worst Pepe I've ever seen

>>6784434
Where do find such a rare-specimen? This above anarcho-primitivists
>>6784511
Does anyone on this board actually read economic books that aren't pop-economics? I have never actually seen the content of economic litterature debated on this forum or discussed beyond >implying.
>>6784795
This is fairly tumblr on that matter, you will probably encounter a couple in this thread.
>>6784966
Neoconservatism won't have much defenders on 4chan, as /pol/ regards them as too jewish. Which in their defense is sort of true, as the movement was started by jewish-trotskiests.
>>6786468
Guess who doesn't know that Somalia used to be a communist state before it became fucked up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_Democratic_Republic
>Barre's administration would rule Somalia for the following 21 years, until the outbreak of the civil war in 1991.
>>6786565
>Equatorial Guinea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equatorial_Guinea#Independence_.281968.29
>In July 1970, Macias Nguema created a single-party state and made himself president for life in 1972. He broke off ties with Spain and the West. In spite of his condemnation of Marxism, which he deemed "neo-colonialist", Equatorial Guinea maintained very special relations with socialist countries, notably China, Cuba, and the USSR. He signed a preferential trade agreement and a shipping treaty with the Soviet Union. The Soviets also granted loans to Equatorial Guinea.[20]

>>6786846
>Have infinite information available to you
>Still become a leftist

How can people fuck up so hard?

>>6786860
>>6786860
I'm right wing, but I understand that everyone has different life experiences that can bring them to different conclusions even when presented with the same information.

Still
>Marxism in the 21st century

>>6786860
>>6786870
I think you would both enjoy this book.
The Righteous Mind
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Righteous_Mind
A ted-talk by the author
http://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind

You are going to encounter on this particulaly board that the left-wingers are either blissfully unaware of the crimes of communist regmes, left-wing movements or consider such notions as conspiratorial or dishonest in some way. Either way, have fun trolling. Remember the best trolling is just to point out annoying facts and link to institutions they consider authorities on the matter.

>>6786860
>>6786870
>Rightists don't even realize the depth of their retardation

>>6786886
Go cry about it on your blog

>>6786886
>only I am deep enough to decipher the one true path

Grow up

>>6786895
>>6786898

sure is a lot of irony flying around today

>>6786886
>Leftists think their extra-chromosomes are a gift

>>6786903
>11 years since George Bush first ascended the Golden Throne
>still being ironic

>>6786911
that's more like it.

>>6786914
just the swinging of a trapeze in the circus that is life.

The way we're going we're all fucked either way.

>Postmodernism is total ambigous so everything you say ISNT postmodernism just because i say so!!!

>I don't know what postmodernism is, but this completely unrelated thing is its fault!!!!

>>6786946
the price you pay for ambiguity

Good thread tbh

>>6784434
I'll take who is Foucault for 1000$ Alex.

>>6786406

>this is what rightists actually believe

and ofc i bet you think you're the k

>>6786986
Why not?

>>6786982
You clearly don't understand how Jeopardy works

>>6786986
>Leftists in denial that they want to live like vermin

>anarchism

>>6784904
Yes, that's exactly what the left wing is.
Stirner is right-wing, you'd know that if you had even a semblance of an education on ideology.
Alas, you're a sheep calling others sheep.

You're just a teenage brat that still believes that:
>right-wing is evil rich white racist men who like war, and left-wing is super nice loving people who are understanding and peaceful.

>>6787389
b-but those stupid hillbillies are right wing while my hip friends aren't

>>6787389
>Stirner is right-wing
>Stirner
>Rightist
You have literally no idea what you're talking about. Read a book or something, champ; maybe even try Stirner, though it's clear you can't understand him. Try looking up the wikipage, that's your speed. Actually, better start with the Very Hungry Caterpillar. Make sure you understand that words mean things, like Blue is a color and hunger means your tummy wants some din-din.

>>6787389
This is honestly what most left wingers do believe, they reject the tenets of capitalism and Christianity then go full lefty. Honestly most of these people haven't cracked a single book on philosophy open, they just blindly follow trends.

>>6785179
>You just aren't what we'd call a deep thinker.
You're projecting, kid.
>>6785367
>spooks
Yet you post Stirner.
>>6786379
Because it enables their childish UtoSoc beliefs rather than mocking them.

>>6786575
Then Latin American must be just peachy also with the massive underclass of slums in several countries!

You can't say something doesn't work because of the conditions there. An economic sysetm should be adaptable to that region's specific problems and if free-market capitalism doesn't work there, it shouldn't be considered viable across the board.

>>6787402
No sweetie, right-wing is individualist.
Stirner is far-right, Marxism's end goal is far-right.

Now please, stop projecting you batshit leftist. Your bullshit spectrum is FILLED with inconsistencies, while mine is actually practical for communication.
>>6787403
They're 'trendy rebels' who fancy themselves to be radical.
They adore individualism, are more often than not middle-class or even upper-middle class, disagree with the state, yet call themselves right-wing.

In high school, I knew this rich girl that called herself a 'Marxist'
>>6787429
And we all know that communism, the most common alternative, is so much better when it comes to human rights!

>>6787389
>>6787401
>>6787403
All of this insecure projection, holy fuck. What illiterate shithole did you stumble in from? You really want to accuse some anarchist of being a rightist? You think he gave a fuck about the status quo? Which time period did he say was -really- better than the present and we need to go back to it? Honestly embarrassing.

>>6787451
>No sweetie, right-wing is individualist.
>Stirner is far-right, Marxism's end goal is far-right.
Forget the Very Hungry Caterpillar, you need to go back to breastfeeding.

>>6787454
The ironing.
>You think he gave a fuck about the status quo? Which time period did he say was -really- better than the present and we need to go back to it?
My God, children ACTUALLY believe that conservatism is the defining right-wing ideology.

You uneducated dipshit, stop this already.
>>6787458
Projection, you, ironing.

ITT: blind weenies walking on the freeway

LMBO

>>6784434
>claiming people from previous era to be right or left wing to further this cause(usually left or right wind)

Bonus point if it was before the French Revolution

>>6787461
Did you even read the post? Holy fuck man, who are you trying to convince? Stirner fits no where in the Rightist spectrum. He is laughing at you from the grave. Excellent bait, would nibble again

>>6786379

Why is it that leftists are generally better educated than conservatives?

>>6787478
>i dont understand ideology
>better le damage control and le fishy meem instead
Sorry sweetie, the right-wing is individualist while the left-wing is collectivist.
>>6787482
They aren't, but it's cute how you believe that the entire right-wing is conservative.

>Americans talking about anything that isn't a gun or a burger

>>6787482
That's simple: people that start off knowing they are ignorant and look for the truth are the people that become leftists, and rightists are happy not knowing anything they don't already think they know and reject all possible contradiction as personal attacks on them.

>>6787507
Projection.

>>6786367
this makes tons of sense
10/10 quality post

>>6787511
You're the only one projecting. It's not too late to accept humility and stop being a pseud.

>>6787488
What is the definition of conservative and how can you be right win without that?

>>6787528
More projection.

>>6787507
>That's simple: people that start off knowing they are ignorant and look for the truth are the people that become leftists

Because teenage atheist communists are totally the people that admit they are ever wrong or don't know it all.

>>6787531
More projection. So sad, but you'll be okay, butter-cup. I believe in you.

>>6787536
Because teenage christian reactionaries are totally the people that admit they are ever wrong or don't know it all.

>>6787542
I'm not the one who said this dumb shit
>"That's simple: people that start off knowing they are ignorant and look for the truth are the people that become leftists"

>>6787482
Liberals soak up liberal education better than conservatives, who know it to be vomit.

>>6787553
But he's right.

>>6787572
Remember folks, the right is right, and the left is mentally ill.

>>6787539
You're ironing in human form.

>>6787539
>>6787531
this is you

>>6787596
No, that's just the leftist.

People who feel insecure are usually rightist because they want to imitate the ruling class ideology. Also, most rightist haven't read Marx and won't ever understand it anyways. They are mostly stupid stubborn bastards who want everything to be easy because they can't understand it.

>>6787785
>right wingers
>want things to be easy

well memed

>>6787807
Of course. They believe in stupid nonsense such as self improvement.

>>6787785
Nice impersonation of a left-wing teen.

>>6784511
>ultra rich
>bells
nice try

>>6787834
You don't even have to be "left-wing" to be a marxist. See what I mean, ameriburger?

>>6787860
>self-loathing Americans
Marxists are left-wing until their beloved classless society becomes a reality, then they are right leaning.

>>6785365
>identity politics
this is probably the scariest thing likely to happen to the west

>>6784469

>>6786348
>the Left, always in a position of intellectual prostitution, attempted to neutralize Nietzsche because it could not censor him

UCL banned the Nietzsche Society a few years back on the grounds that it posed a threat to fellow students.

>>6787873
I am not american.
And no. Marxists don't perceive the world in "left-wing" "right-wing" categories. That's pretty unrelated. Except to fatasses americans.

>>6786379
fite me irl m8

>>6787482
I'm assuming you're American; outside the 'intelligentsia' people who vote right are generally smarter than people who vote left.

>>6787896
>I'm not american
But you are.
>Marxists don't perceive the world in "left-wing" "right-wing" categories
That means they can't be categorized as so? American teens really are stupid.

>>6787910
I am not. And well, they can be categorized, but it's just a very dumb game of rhetorics. What americans treat as "left-wing" is just keynesianism with a weird touch of liberal ideas such as gay-rights which should have nothing to do with communism. Sure, there's a difference between what you consider right or left. But that's pretty unrelevant to real politics.

>>6787934
No sweetie, every educated person treats the right as individualist, and the left as collectivist.

>>6787944
And why do you guys consider "identity-politics", a radical individualistic movement, as "Leftist". Some go as far as to call it "Cultural marxism". Tell me, why are people in your country such fat retards
Also, marxism is all about communism. Socialism is collectivism. Communism... Not quite. You people just confuse terms.

>>6787958
>Implying no identity politics in europe

>>6787958
I told you I'm not American.

Does anyone even call themselves "Nietzschean"?

Nietzsche is a major influence on many thinkers, but the nature of the influence is more of an "inspiration" than a dogma that has to be followed. Baudrillard and Foucault were huge Nietzsche fans, but were quite clear and frank about the fact that they disagreed with him on many things.

Try to point to even one "Nietzschean dogma." There are none. The whole project is by its very nature tentative and exploratory. Somewhere in the Genealogy of Morals, Nietzsche specifically invites his readers to take their own side on the issues.

Then again, I'm not sure WHY I'm even writing this. It seems to me that religious "true believers" are incapable of seeing anybody as being deeply and fundamentally different from themselves, as possessing a mental life almost completely devoid of "absolute dogmas."

>>6784434

>left-wing Nietzschean

read Deleuze,Foucault and Battaille and many parts of Derrida's work.

>>6784467

Read Agamben if you want left-wing Heideggerianism.

>>6787981

There was clear turn in France and Germany in trying to rescue Nietzsche as merely an irrationalist or a right-wing nut who only wrote litterary aphorisms.

His influence is great because he stands at a crossroads obviously signalled later by Heidegger known as the "End of Metaphysics", whose movement Nietzsche is the most important figure..

>>6787892
>I feel the urge....the urge to purge

>>6786471
>tfw not born in Scandinavia

>>6786471
Or in Canada where the Liberals and Conservatives stole the socialist CCF policies and then just called it conservative/liberal policies.

>>6785750
>The left wants equality of opportunity

Which is why they're still crying about muh wage gap, right?

>>6785179
>we
Stop believing there's people on your side agreeing with you, cunt.