/lit/ - Literature

>>6725668
I'm also interested in this.

I don't think they had culture or history or philosophy

>>6725668
heh

the one about the kid who almost robs a bank but then floats through history learning rich moral lessons and then decides not to rob a bank

is that a real book? i remember it from middle school i think. is it? alexie?

I know they didn't write anything-- I'm looking for books written by others about them

>>6725704
I dont think you have culture, history or philosophy.

>>6725668
Colin Calloway - One Vast Winter Count: The Native American West before Lewis and Clark
Elizabeth John - Storms Brewed in Other Men’s Worlds: The Confrontation of Indians, Spanish, and French in the Southwest, 1540–1795
Ned Blackhawk - Violence over the Land: Indians and Empires in the Early American West
Richard White - The Middle Ground: Indians, Empires, and Republics in the Great Lakes Region, 1650-1815
Pekka Hamalainen - The Comanche Empire
Kathleen DuVal - The native ground : Indians and colonists in the heart of the continent
Stuart Banner - How the Indians Lost their Land
Alan Taylor - The divided ground : Indians, settlers and the northern borderland of the American Revolution
Peter Nabokov - A forest of time : American Indian ways of history

>>6725769
House Made of Dawn by N. Scott Momaday was awarded the pulitzer prize in fiction when it came out, so, there's an important book I haven't read

>>6725668
Blood Meridian

>>6725740
I don't think you've ever had a white dick

>>6725668
They had culture, but no history or philosophy in the proper sense.

>>6725668
I always find it strange to consider that the American continent had no horses before whitey came along.

Imagine the Plains Indians just slowly walking everywhere. Seems shitty. Just walking everywhere without metal tools in a big vast flat nothing.

>>6725874
You think that's weird?
Before colonization there were no bell peppers, potatoes or tomatoes in Europe.

>>6725914
>tfw you grow up somewhere and think you are 'rooted' and realize one day "why the fuck am I in the new world"

>>6725914
There wasn't any corn either.

Btw, if you read a pre colonization work that mentions the word "corn," and you have a little brainstorm over this, you should research it and figure out that the word "corn" was for a long time used as a general word for any edible crops. So they could say corn and mean wheat or rye, or whatever.

>>6725874
It did have horses, they were all eaten by early man.

Seconding The Long Winter Count and The Comanche Empire. And while not STRICTLY related (they're more about Euro-American metanarratives about civilization, wilderness, and expansion) I'd also recommend Slotkin's trilogy of works on the frontier myth: Regeneration through Violence, The Fatal Environment, and Gunfighter Nation.

>>6725927
>There wasn't any corn either
Fuck off retard, everyone knows that use of corn is documented in numerou sources from roma times.

>>6725927
>There wasn't any corn either.
Ceasar would beg to differ.

>>6725854
How would he know?

>>6727323
>>6727333

You're doing it wrong lads, you have to post the image too.

>>6727375
please no, corn father

>>6727375
please no, corn father

>>6727323
>>6727333

Ok....for one, ceasar never used the word "corn", he used the word "Granum" which is translated as the word "corn".

Both words, however, are general terms used to describe any crop. When ceasar said granum, he was talking about any crop he could use for food, not any one specific crop.

Corn became used for only corn once corn became a staple crop everywhere in the 20ith century. The term corn is still technically just a general term for any crop, the technical name for corn is maize, but everyone just says corn.

>>6727490
Granum means grain m8, not just any crop.

>>6727502
Semantics. He was wrong in the sense that "granum" might refer to, say, figs, but the point still stands.

Unless you, for some reason, think "grain" is an actual specific species of plant...

>>6727512
I justed wanted to point out that you can't look at a bunch of lettuce and go 'look at all this fucking granum'.

Apart from that, you newfriends are getting memed on heavily.

>>6727521
yeah no lie. I wasn't going to reply but dude's got a point and could use some backup.

>>6727502
Grain isn't a crop you dipshit. Grain is a milled crop product, that could be produced by a number of specific crops.

In latin times, grain would be milled from wheat and baked into pasta. Grain can also be turned into bread from rye or any number of other crops.

In any case, granum doesn't mean "grain", even though they sound the same. Granum, like i said, is just a general term for crops. "Grain" in latin would be the word "Mica".

So "grain" basically means any eadible crop, and it has the same meaning as the term "corn".

Modern usage of the words have changed, but they were use different in pre-colonization times, like i said.

>>6727547
>Grain isn't a crop you dipshit. Grain is a milled crop product, that could be produced by a number of specific crops.
Yes, a number of them. But certainly not "any crop he could use for food".

"Corn" also does not mean any edible crop. Lettuce is not part of the corn subdivision. Neither are onions, for example.

>>6727547
ceasar literally says corn.

Mayflower by Nathaniel Philbrick

>>6727639
if you're real perceptive you might note that maize was not introduced to europe until 1500 years after caesar's death

>>6727682
you're in no position to accost people for their lack or perceptiveness, lad

Check out Sequoyah, he syllabized the Cherokee language

>This was the only time in recorded history that a member of a pre-literate people independently created an effective writing system.[1][4]