/lit/ - Literature

>>6703499
people identifying themselves as atheists embarrassed themselves, in large part due to their retarded accompanying philosophical and political positions, so many people turned to Christianity. As to pic related, no, I think Christposters are actually Christians

>>6703499
People are just annoyed with atheist being so outspoken on the internet. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Christanity is a true or even reasonable anymore but when people talk about how religion is a mental illness it gets annoyinh

Tangentially related request: anyone have the Bread Pill book list chart?

more normalfags come here who don't read.

Just check reddit or any other popular webpage on the internet , they mostly read fantasy books and other genre fiction.

I have never met a christian in my entire life other than my university professor who was well versed in theology or knew his christian philosophy.

Just look at the threads here, litteraly Reddit tier, "Can you prove that God does not exist?", "Why is evil a problem for God?" etc.

Christians in general fear philosophy because they know they are gonna get raped ten days to sunday, yet none of them make the effort to read Barth, Kierkegaard,Gabriel Marcel, Caputo etc.


This leads me heavily to belive that strong theology will dissapear and Christianity as it is , based on dogma and the church, will vanish, becoming more akin to what Neo-Platonism was in late-Antiquity.

>>6703499
As an athiest right winger I welcome our new Christian friends, it's a nice break from the Marxist undergrads

>>6703534

Christianity is anti-capitalism my huckstering neo-con friend..

>>6703499
Shaming of atheism is because anglos are fucking retards and they don't even read because if they did they'd know the Germans already raised stronger arguments in favor of atheism before them. But, nope, Dawkins and Harris don't read books.

> Christian atheism
That's called a "Hegel."
>>6703532
You need to lurk more. We're all knee-deep in the works of Hans Urs Von Balthasar.

>>6703539
>Christianity is anti-capitalism
Didn't realize capitalism existed in 30 CE Judea

>>6703539
I said I was right wing, not a capitalist

Plus jesus wasn't a socialist, he was clearly a monarchist and a reactionary by today's standards

>posting Facebook tier garbage

>>6703499
I'm Catholic but not conservative.

>>6703555
Shhhh he posted a Facebook meme and everything!

Cheggm8 capitalists XD

>>6703532
But reddit is 99% atheists.
And atheists are normalfags.

>>6703563

>he was clearly a monarchist and a reactionary by today's standards

Were does he support the divine right of kings?

Were did Jesus advocate political authoritarianism?

Were does he support private property, while on teh contrary he advocates sharing it:
>Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”
Luke 3:10-11 ESV / 35 helpful votes

>And the crowds asked him, “What then shall we do?” And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.”
1 Timothy 6:9-11 ESV / 20 helpful votes

>But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs. But as for you, O man of God, flee these things. Pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness.

>>6703534
hella f*cking epic bro
lets destroy those sjw marxists

>>6703589


Luke 21:1-4 ESV / 12 helpful votes

Jesus looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the offering box, and he saw a poor widow put in two small copper coins. And he said, “Truly, I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all of them. For they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on.”
Acts 2:44-46 ESV / 11 helpful votes

And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts,
Matthew 6:19-21 ESV / 11 helpful votes

“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Matthew 25:34-40 ESV / 10 helpful votes

Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? ...
Christianity is communist.

>>6703580

Not really have you visited the place? they even have their own Christian sub-reddit.

>>6703551

Catholicism is destitute philosophicaly, Protestantism is far more interesting.

>>6703529
here you go m8

>>6703606
There are several Christian subreddits, but they are nowhere near as popular as /r/atheism or related subreddits.

>>6703607

>C.S.Lewis

>mfw Christbabies think the arguments that miracles exists from a childrens book author are actually valid.

>>6703589
>Were does he support the divine right of kings

Jesus is God and God appointed the Kings of Israel

>Christianity is communist

You are as bad as ignorant Bible thumpers picking quotes and stretching them far past their logical ends when you make asserts ruins like that.

>>6703593
Aw, mad someone dares disagree with you poor wittle piss baby?

>>6703606
If you go on there for any amount of time, you'll notice that even /r/christianity and the like are filled with atheists.

>>6703513
Who? Which atheists?

Repeatedly false flagging new atheist threads isn't proving anything

>>6703619
>Aw, mad someone dares disagree with you poor wittle piss baby?
lel
why so mad at my shitpost?
are you from cripplekikechan or something?

>>6703589
>>6703595

You basically </thread> but I doubt anyone will notice because, as someone else said, no one reads.

>>6703619

God is a non-physical transcedental entity bro, the claim that kings have the same status as Jesus on earth, is baby tier childish logic meant to satisfy a stupid peasants understanding of the world. jesus never claimed secular power.

>You are as bad as ignorant Bible thumpers picking quotes and stretching them far past their logical ends when you make asserts ruins like that.

Private property and christianity don't mix, just because American Protestants identified their beliefs with predestination and capitalist production, does not mean that they can fit everything to fit their worldview.

The bible is explicitly against the rich and in favour of a communal, anarchist and pacifist society.

>>6703624
There is a movement called "new atheism," lead by people such as Dawkins, Hitchens, Dennet, Harris, PZ Meyers. They have a large following, whose presence can be felt by any casual observer that isn't a braindead fuckwit. Said following has become embarrassingly smug, while being philosophically unsophisticated, and friendly with retarded wings of feminism and liberalism. There is a world outside of 4chan threads, you know?

>>6703629
>everyone who disagrees with me is a raging nazi from other websites who come here to shill

Communist intellectualism everyone

I mean, Rowan Williams is pretty fucking dope.

>>6703639
nigger please
>>everyone who disagrees with me is a raging nazi from other websites who come here to shill
holy kek why are you so mad?
cripplekikechan is full of "serious internet posters" and they get mad at everything just like you. I didn't mean that as being a nazi.
lel

>>6703499

People online have started to wake up to the insanity of the world and found Christ, and it has naturally spread here. People have finally had enough of the degeneracy and crap on the internet and in life.

I haven't read the thread but I bet there a million responses of
>muh sky man
>muh religion is for dummies

God bless OP, I hope you find your own way to whatever destination.

>>6703517
No they aren't. You're speaking for large demographics with broad strokes to justify your own shitposting.

Pathetic, loser Christians just forced themselves into this board because they can hide behind "literature" to justify their worthless and annoying discussion, and as they get more bold, the other voice stops because 4chan is always a race to the bottom when it comes to debate.

I liken it to Thrasymachus in the beginning of the Republic. He explains his belief to Socrates, and when Socrates flips out he says whatever and walks away. That is every reasonable poster on /lit/ in face of Christposting. Nobody engages because it's stupid bullshit. It has nothing to do with atheism or Christianity; stop presuming anybody gives a fuck because nobody does.

If you do give a fuck, you're on the side of the losers.

>>6703606
>Catholicism is destitute philosophicaly, Protestantism is far more interesting.

hoc stulius est quam quicquam lexeram in loco

>>6703569

Dropped. You aren't Catholic.

>>6703539

Dropped. You aren't Christian.

>how these threads always play out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avep_1vbUOA

>>6703637
That movement has been fringe and dead for basically forever. Literally nobody gives a fuck about those people, they weren't news and were dying in 2010.

Loser faggots like you keep the discussion relevant because it's a convenient target to get outraged over.

By even caring you're a loser faggot. Stop directing your attention at stupid bullshit.

>>6703660

This pretty much sums up atheism.

>>6703636
God picked literal kings to rule over Israel

He appointed David and Solomon as Kings, and heads of a feudalistic society.

Christianity is not against private property either. Just because you bought into modern leftist thought does not mean that Christianity bends to your world view. Slippery slope logic is a good place to describe it, stating how money leads to evil and how you must share with your common man does not a communist make. You are taking quotes that Jesus made about charity and applying to a radical political dogma which is quite a stretch and intellectually dishonest. In fact I'd go as far to say that you are as bad as the American Protestants you hold so much disdain for.

But whatever, you're not going to listen and keep attaching your political theory to Christianity.

>>6703624

4chan counter-culture.

It used to be edgy and cool to be an atheist, because it was counter-cultural. Now everyone is an atheist, so it's edgy and cool to be a conservative Christian. Once that reaches maximum saturation and tips it'll be cool to be an atheist again.

>>6703639

>>6703672

This thread is cancer, all atheism and religion posting should be autoban on /lit/

>>6703675
>>6703679

>all this butthurt

>>6703678

>>6703678
>>6703672
You have a lot of venom in your heart.

>>6703663
They are the reason many people went to Christianity. New atheists embarrassed themselves and atheism in general by association. Whether it's dying or not is not particularly relevant, you mental case. Help cleanse the gene pool and go play in traffic.

>>6703684

>>6703671
That's the OT God, guy.

Jesus doesn't go on and on about how great secular kings and monarchy are, in no small part because the people writing down what he said are Jews, oppressed by an imperial hegemonic power. Of course the Roman-occupied Jewish writers of the first few centuries CE aren't gonna trumpet reactionary, monarchical political policies.

Why do you think that Jesus (or the ideas ascribed to him) garnered such a large following of the poor, the destitute, the marginalized and the downtrodden? Why does he claim that it would be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter heaven? It's because he's preaching to the outcasts, the homeless, the whores, and the beggars. Those people don't go for right-wing conservative bullshit because they're excluded from society and see very little within it that is worthy of conserving in the first place.

>>6703659

So were in those bible lines is it pro-capitalism and in favour of private pproperty my fake christian friend?

Also

>Joshua 23:7 being against multiculturalism.

top lel

let's read the actual quote shall we?

>"Do not associate with these nations that remain among you; do not invoke the names of their gods or swear by them. You must not serve them or bow down to them."

The quote is about not associating with people of other religions, not cultures.

>…6"Be very firm, then, to keep and do all that is written in the book of the law of Moses, so that you may not turn aside from it to the right hand or to the left, 7so that you will not associate with these nations, these which remain among you, or mention the name of their gods, or make anyone swear by them, or serve them, or bow down to them. 8"But you are to cling to the LORD your God, as you have done to this day.…

I bet you /pol/ babis havn't read the bible not even once in your lives.

>>6703684
I bet this dude's girlfriend is just dripping wet 24/7. She doesn't even know what to do with herself, her man just satisfies her in ways words can't do justice

>>6703659
I don't think prostitution and homosexuality should be encouraged, but I also don't feel it's the state's place to interfere in those kinds of affairs. Correct me if I'm wrong but Jesus never calls for homosexuals and prostitutes to be imprisoned.

>>6703636

He did say to give up to Caesar what is Caesar's (I.E secular authority). So the argument that he was a monarchist (as the Emperors were monarchs) does make a certain level of sense.

Just saying.

>>6703677

>>6703687
That's pretty mean, why would you say something like that?

>>6703693
it's well known that most of /pol/ is only semi literate. There propaganda aside from being moronic is rife with elementary misspellings and basic grammatical errors. If /lit/ confined itself to using ten dollar words all the time they would cease to come here.

>>6703693

Tower of Babel, buddy. Also your quotes don't even support your view. But Tower of Babel.

>>6703695

Homosexuality is clearly forbidden in the NT.

But even so, there is zero reason to allow it in society (besides shoving it in God's face).

>>6703646
>projecting this hard

This is just another thread on /lit/ buddy, if you get this pissy over banter then maybe you should dim the lights, put on a Phil Collins CD, and take a break

>>6703689
I like the way this guy equates the scientific and atheistic communities.

>>6703685

You said these types of atheists don't exist. I am just providing evidence to the contrary.

>>6703606
>Protestantism is far more interesting

And at that moment I realized I was arguing with an American

>>6703636
>The bible is explicitly against the rich and in favour of a communal, anarchist and pacifist society.

Literally projection. The Gospel talks about the folly of rich men to make a case about people's personal spirituality. How individuals ought to live. It never talks about economic or political systems in any meaningful sense.

>>6703697

The render unto caesar, means that Christians should abandon trying to resist political authority through violent mans, because there is only one true kingdom, what you pay to the Caesar is what you owe him, taxes, but what you pay to God is eternal obedience.

Therefore the Emperor or the king is not God's repressentative on earth, but just one of the many secular authorities.

>>6703618
You're right. Reddit /pol/ memes like le ebin trash man are far better refutations

>>6703672
>these are the people pushing Marxist ideology on 4chan

>>6703708
They absolutely do support his view. You need to work on your reading comprehension.

poltards spamming

autists thinking they're l33t joining in on teh legion memeing

Its a meme

>>6703700
I am mean to those worthy or contempt.

>>6703499
To be honest I have contemplated more than once why I even come here because of excessive Christ posting. Look, I'm personally very against religion but keep it to myself, even online for the most part. But when I see other people making it their mission to say 'Hey! I'm a Christian and I'm here to stay and say it in your face', then ... it's retarded.
And then there are dozens of replies with, I kid you not, single fedora images. That's when I draw the line. It's embarrassing. It's like seeing KKK members openly wearing their bed sheets in public just to make a statement. Despicable behaviour.

>>6703722

>muh poltards

Seriously man. The desperate cries of those projecting their own insecurities.

We've found Christ. We are secure in everything we do and post. And yeah, we read books too.

What's your problem?

>>6703715
>Therefore the Emperor or the king is not God's repressentative on earth, but just one of the many secular authorities.

Yeah but if Jesus was commie or whatever why would he argue to obey a political system he supposedly is so fervently against? Seems contradictory.

>>6703677
I've actually said I have left wing sympathies before and have had people on this board invite me to leftypol as if they are any more welcome here than regular pol

>>6703710
Of course idiots exist. Where are they on /lit/? Why bring the discussion here?

Do you really want people to spam WBC here 24/7? Like you just shit the board up. You don't even comprehend how little anyone gives a fuck about these twerps. And I'm pretty sure I'm wasting my time arguing with someone who saves a bunch of pics of dumb kids he can nerd rage over online

Get a grip on yourself

>>6703727
>that pic
>We've found Christ. We are secure in everything we do and post. And yeah, we read books too.

Is this post-meta-shitposting?

>>6703725
Get a life

>>6703726

I know, free speech is a tough thing, right? Christianity is not something new. We've been dealing with crap 24/7 for 2,000+ years. Now that we've finally made it to this degenerate filth hole, it's funny to see people like you squirm like cockroaches in the light.

But just remember that God is there for you, always, and you can turn at any time and join the light :)

>>6703712

You cannot be rich and still be a good christian, since you are essentialy a hypocrite.

look at >>6703589
and >>6703595

There is absolutly no way a society which does not share food,clothing, shelter can be called a christian society. Because material goods are folly to Christianity and greed is a sin, hoarding and collecting them run directly against the word of God.

I suggest you read your Bible more carefully.

>>6703726
>It's embarrassing. It's like seeing KKK members openly wearing their bed sheets in public just to make a statement. Despicable behaviour.

>>6703727
G4u, I guess I know the exact reason I only come on here sparingly now. Even reddit is better than this bullshit

>>6703728

Because Jesus was against violent revolution, give to Casar what you have to, but you give God your being and soul, divine authority trumps secular authority.

>>6703711
Never argue with an American

>>6703731
>Get a grip on yourself

I'm not the one getting fanny fluster over "nerd rage" or going around calling people "loser faggots."

>>6703745

Good, another one driven back to Reddit. We'll some there next. One degenerate crap hole at a time.

>this whole thread

Why don't mods ban these people?

>>6703499
People have been making this exact kind of thread for over a year. Can you fucking retards just pay attention instead of asking the same thing over and over again?

>>6703739
>There is absolutly no way a society which does not share food,clothing, shelter can be called a christian society

That's called charity. It has nothing to do with political systems and certainly isn't an endorsement of some modern leftist utopia. In fact modern capitalist countries have some of the most robust charities in modern history.

>>6703748

Are you projecting?

>>6703753

>ban ideas that I don't like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Leftists, ladies and gentlemen.

>>6703743
Fuck off this fedora meme has ruined this website.

I remember a time when being some idiot right-winger or christian nutjob would get you laughed right out of any board.

I miss those days. 4chan is supposed to be the one place where I can go and be as pissed off as normalfags and their idiotic ideas as I want without any repercussions. Now we can't make fun of anything stupid without everyone just shouting it down with accusations of being a "fedora."

It's not funny and it's against the spirit of the website.

I sincerely hope anybody who takes this fedora shitposting seriously dies. The site would be better if they all did.

>>6703499
/lit/ isn't immune to the ingrained 4chan contrarianism. If something is purported to be true, 4chan will gather unto itself those who will say it is not true in order to troll. Atheism is truth; 4chan will say that it is not to drink delicious tears and inflict maximum butthurt.

Know the troll for what it is.

>>6703747
Even Gandhi argued for some form of passive resistance to the local British authorities. Jesus saying "pay your taxes" just doesn't jive with that at all.

>>6703660
it's like a microcosm of this whole discussion.

Funny thing is that their obstinate behsviour is on fact actually making people more resentful against religion.
Suck my dick Jesus fags, where are you now that the social structure has turned against you? Haha.

>>6703539
>Christianity is anti-capitalism
>Churches hoard more portable wealth than many nations
>Logic: the Church is not Christian

>>6703715

He wasn't arguing that Jesus supported the Emperors as God's representative on earth, I was more pointing out that the secular political system he shows support to is a monarchy.

Also the fact that he uses Caesar rather than "the republic" shows his acceptance of Roman power as monarchical, not republican (there were still oligarchical trends within Rome during the first century C.E.)

I believe the chronology went something like this.

Debating religion was pretty much one of the first things that happened as soon as people started using the internet, and was generally a raging shitstorm no matter where you went.

As the internet got more and more popular, two things happened:


First off, due to the high amount of exposure to these arguments, a lot of people saw the inconsistencies, circular reasoning, and otherwise "brainwashing" techniques of religion exposed on the internet. People began to question their faith(many just became athiests outright) and naturally projected this into their actual lives. Their real life communities didn't handle this well (because imagine you lived in a backwater texas town, everyone around you went to church, praised jesus etc) These newly converted athiests became outcasts in real life for questioning their faith. Naturally they drew away from those christians who tried to "control them" and towards an internet community, in this case reddit. They found solace in each other and started an internet community where they could be athiests without being shunned for it. As the internet grew and grew, this pool of people became bigger, and people had an "atheist community" to identify themselves with(similar to how 4chan finds solace in the community of other social outcasts)

Now, the second thing that happened with the growing popularity of the internet, is that people realised that arguing about religion on the internet ends up being a complete waste of everyone's time, and so people just stopped doing it as frequently. Also, given the size of the internet, it became a lot easier to go online and do whatever without being exposed to a christian vs atheist argument.

However, the atheist camp/community persisted(mostly due to real life religious encounters), despite most of the internet basically agreeing to calm their shit when it came to religion.

The calming of this shitstorm would be temporary, because eventually contrarians from /pol/, as well as all of the undisturbed Christians discovered that the atheist "camp" was full of "virgin neckbeard fedoras" and "exposed" the new atheist community for essentially being a "a giant circlejerk". There was irony in the fact that"reddit atheists had now resorted to the same kind of behaviour that they accused Christians of performing in the first place. Being an atheist became associated with being a loser, and thus, some people began to rethink Christianity.

So the shit storm continues.

>>6703760

>all of this rage because his liberal atheist hugbox has freedom of speech

Back to reddit!

>>6703692
I stand by my assertion. You are taking things Jesus said about charity and sharing and are hammering it out into an entire political theory.

If Jesus did support a communistic system he would have preached political theory and social organization.

Furthermite, it's silly how you think all poor people will immediatley side with the left. I'm poor and the men in my profession are not rich by any stretch and I do what little I can to sway those I know away from the snares of the left.

That's not what your professor told you though right? We're all supposed to rise up with you?

>>6703757
I am American, and therefore I know better than most why it deserves all the scorn it gets (and then some).

Nice pic, btw; it looks like something my cousinfucking mouthbreathing great-aunt would forward me in one of her biannual "Be PRoud to Be Wihte!!1!" emails.

>>6703760

>>6703763
Gandhi was also a pedo and a woman-hating swine. Don't base your belief system on crazy Hindu scum.

>>6703698
Fake quotes don't improve your position

>>6703768
>republic

Umm, Rome wasn't a Republic during the time of Christ. They were very much into the Principate by then, so Empire.

>>6703774

>being this of a mouthbreathing, self-loating, pitiful, white-guilt, beta faggot

You are pathetic buddy. You're just rebelling against your upbringing and life. Take two steps back and view things objectively.

>>6703756

This childish logic propagated by Protestant's , that somehow charity alleviates suffering or that it really is anything more than a small hedonistic way to secure self-satisfaction is digusting.

If you want to claim being a christian you weitehr live in the realm of God, or you do not. Giving oney to the poor is not "scoring points for heaven" it's litteraly a scam for you to avoid taxes. Either you devote yourself totaly to the word of God and live like early Church Fathers, Saints and Apostles in frugality and humbleness or you live a life were you lie to yourself.

>Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."Matthew 19:24

>>6703769
So it goes. So it goes. So it goes.

>>6703766
In fairness, Marx devotes a fair chunk of Capital 1 to demonstrating that hoarding is not capitalist behavior and in fact that hoarders fundamentally misunderstand what capital is all about.

>>6703765
>suck my dick Jesus fags,

I'm trembling

Jesus Christ was literally a National Socialist

Prove.
Me.
Wrong.

>>6703795
If your Church is turning a profit every year, then it is failing in its self-confessed mission.

>>6703799

>though shalt not steal

aka, taxes and seizure of land. Now you can argue over what "seizure" is and I won't say that Jesus WASN'T, but you can't argue 100% that he was.

>>6703792
>that somehow charity alleviates suffering or that it really is anything more than a small hedonistic way to secure self-satisfaction is digusting

Oh, ok then. I see what your doing here.

>>6703499
Good double.

>>6703774
Yeah keep sucking European dick you bitch

>>6703799

Jesus and all the apostles were jews.

Plus Hitler, Himler,Rosenberg and Borman really hated Christianity.

>>6703830

>you are THIS dumb

>>6703830
Repent.

>>6703789

Really? I never realised that during the reign of Tiberius Rome had become a monarchy, thank you for enlightening me.

Certain people still called Rome a republic, as it was a way of showing republican (read oligarchical/aristocratic) sympathies. After the assassination of Caligula the senate tried to restore the republic, but failed due to the Praetorian Guard supporting Claudius.

If Jesus (or the writers of the gospels) had republican rather than monarchical sympathies the sentence might have instead said: "give up to Rome what is Rome's" or something of the like.

I'm not making a hardcore argument that Jesus was a monarchist, more I saying that he doesn't support any other form of government, and thinks people should "respect" (for lack of a better term) the monarchy.

http://strawpoll.me/4664507

>>6703836
when will this "/pol/'s post screencaps" meme will end?
I find it stupid that people back their arguments from posts of a chinese cartoon imageboard.

All of you:
>>>/b/

>>6703772
I mean, I'm a different guy than the guy you first replied to, so I'm not "hammering" anything "into an entire political theory."

I will say that I don't think that you're right when you say that "If Jesus did support a communistic system he would have preached political theory and social organization." You seem to be implying that Jesus's communism (and he does preach a form of primitive communism) ought to bear some resemblance to Marxian communism, which came along almost twenty centuries after Jesus purportedly died. Of course Jesus wouldn't have preached the same things as Marx (and let's be clear, 19th century communism was the first form of communism with a programmatic dedication to explicit political theory - well, political economy - and social organization), given that he died like 1800 years before Marx was even born. If you want to see small-scale forms of pre-Marxian Christian communism, you need look no further than the literally centuries-long tradition of commoning micro-economies in Britain (I highly recommend J.M. Neeson's Commoners; it's a fantastic read).

I don't think "all poor people will immediately side with the left," at least not now. 20th and 21st century America is a weird place, for a variety of historical reasons we can get into if you want, but by and large, in the political history of the West, the disenfranchised and the impoverished skew left. Period. Your own efforts to rescue your co-workers from what you call "the snares of the left," frankly, don't mean shit in the context of twenty-five centuries' worth of history, though I won't condescend to trying to explain to you why I disagree with your political opinions.

As to professors and what not, I think that you (or YOUR professor, if that's what s/he told you) need to re-read major communist texts (like all of them) if you think that there is literally any guarantee that "all" oppressed persons are "supposed to rise up" together. To point you in just one direction, google the word "lumpenproletariat"

>>6703772

If you think that by telling people that it's ok for them to be exploited, then you are not a good christian, you are a jew.

If you think that charity does anything more, than selfisly satisfy yourself, then youa re not a good christian and a hypocrite.

Jesus did not preah a political philosophy but he preached a way of life and that way of life has nothing to do with Capitalism,private property, hoarding material goods and hedonistic fleating pleasures.

The real society of God is a society were people have no wars, share all things, own nothing and love each other as much as they love God. Anyone who doesn't fight for such a soceity is conentent to see the weak and the poor downtrodden and abused is not a real christian.

This is why the early church fathers laid down monasticism as the proper way to live as a christian.

https://strawpoll.me/4664523

>>6703830
Yeah and he was a national socialist in favor of the Jews

>>6703853
;^)

>>6703835
>>6703836

Do you seriosuly beleive taht Jesus and the apostles were not jews, that he did not grow up reading the Torah?

Do you know anything about christianity?

if all of you were really christian then you wouldn't be shitposting about jesus or making fake arguments
so you all are just "christians" because you are tired of the "degenerate" society the west has become
I bet you don't even pray or go to church, nor do you read the bible.

>>6703772


found the class-cuck

>>6703864
>>6703836
well if /pol/ says so this must be the way it is.

The irony is you think you're associating christianity with white nationalism but you're really only endorsing /pol/s reasoning.

you will misunderstand this post and post a meme

>>6703866
Of course Jesus was a Jew; Christians are the actual Jews. The Synagogue of Satan are just pretending to be Jews because they are lying Satan spawn.

>>6703790
It's true, I just can't stop loating myself.

>>6703825
Have you ever been to Europe? It's lovely. I preferred it here until I went there. You might change your mind!

>>6703860
>caboose constipated

>>6703864
kek
please post more

>>6703857
>As to professors and what not, I think that you (or YOUR professor, if that's what s/he told you) need to re-read major communist texts (like all of them) if you think that there is literally any guarantee that "all" oppressed persons are "supposed to rise up" together. To point you in just one direction, google the word "lumpenproletariat"


This is the exact point I was making to him, he seemed to have that impression not me.

t. counter revolutionary

>>6703873
Why are you so obsessed with /pol/?

>>6703800
I actually don't belong to any church. I'm just a guy on the internet interested in talking about stuff.

>>6703874
>someone so butthurt about the fact jesus and his apostle were jews and christianiaty is an abrahamic (jew) religion that he choose all the "anti jew" verses from the Bible
Lel. But go on, keep posting more screencaps, seems it's the only way you back up your posts.

>>6703880
Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.
- 2 Timothy 4:2

>>6703882

Don't look to far, you are the lumpenprole Marx was talking about. Too dumb to realise the condition he is in, just like whores, mobsters, petty-crimminals, junkies etc.

>>6703883
I'm not the one reposting some idiot white nationalist's interpretation of christianity and samefagging the fuck out of my comments. nice meme reply.

>>6703890
We're praying for you.

>>6703892
>le epic crusader pic
post more bro

>>6703892
I cringed.

>>6703899
You are the one getting excellent doubles though.

>>6703900
were all these posts made and screencaped by the same guy?
I've seen that post even on /fit/. Really funny how people convert to christianty just by reading posts from the internet.

>>6703908
>were all these posts made and screencaped by the same guy?
yes
>Really funny how people convert to christianty just by reading posts from the internet.
I wouldn't call anyone who determines their spirituality based on internet memes an accurate representation of that ideology.

>>6703858
Again, people, hoarding =/= capitalism. We've been over this. Marx himself claims that hoarding is an aberrant behavior/disease/fundamental misunderstanding of the economic logic of capitalism. That's not to say that hoarding is good or OK (it obviously is not); it IS to say:

Quit fucking equating hoarding with capitalism!

>>6703499

christianity will always be a reactionary movement against people who have too much "fun"

the slaves reacted in Rome against the libertine, strong and proud patricians.

the right wingers and virgins now react against the fun, sexy and empowered "liberals" by pretending to be christian and using its values

>>6703892
>>6703900
/lit/ please help
I don't really know who is jewing whom
are these posts meant to be average idiotic /pol/ posts or white christian propaganda?

>>6703903
>>6703904
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xs67InkZ3A

>>6703916

Capitalists gain profits by the acumulation of surplus-value, that sure sounds like hoarding to me,. The stratification of classes into rigid strata becomes this way since the capitalists are always able to gain more profit from the workers since they own the means of production. So this accumnulation is what makes the Capitalists rich and the proles poor.

But as I said before I'm an anarcho-pacifist christian I'm not in favour of violent revolt, but in favour of the slow withdrawal from mainstream society, and teh creation of new communities that will set new examples to those blinded by greed and hedonism.

why is /lit/ so easy to b8?

I'm probably a Christian atheist in that I am theoretically Catholic and enjoy the cultural rituals (including church) but don't actually have any real belief in a spiritual life or afterlife. So: yes, but other Christians probably don't consider us Christians.

Not reading this thread because I bet it's insanely bad

Christfags, what happens to us faithful Hindus?

>>6703946
>Capitalists gain profits by the acumulation of surplus-value, that sure sounds like hoarding to me

If that "sure sounds like hoarding to" you, then you need to get your ears checked, my friend. The whole point of the M-C-M' circulation model that underpins the whole of capitalism is that one must always pump one's money into investments that will then generate MORE money. That, according to Marx, is how one fulfills the role of the good capitalist. The hoarder fundamentally misunderstands how capital, as a commodity, works. Capital is the commodity necessary to produce surplus value. Surplus value in turn manifests itself as capital. Capital is self-perpetuating and self-growing. For Marx, only a fool (in a capitalist system) sits on one's wealth - the economic logic of capitalism demands that one re-invest and grow one's store of capital. In Marx's own words:

>"The continuous circular movement of the two antithetical metamorphoses of commodities, or the repeated alternating flow of sale and purchase, is reflected in the unceasing turnover of money... But as soon as the series of metamorphoses is interrupted, as soon as sales are not supplemented by subsequent purchases, money is immobilized. In other words, it is transformed... from coin into money.
When the circulation of commodities first develops, there also develops the necessity and the passionate desire to hold fast to the product of the first metamorphosis. This product is the transformed shape of the commodity, or its gold crysalis. Commodities are thus sold not in order to buy commodities, but in order to replace their commodity-form by their money-form. Instead of being merely a way of mediating the metabolic process, this change of form becomes an end in itself. The form of the commodity in which it is divested of content is prevented from functioning as its absolutely alienable form, or even as its merely transient money-form. The money is petrified into a hoard, and the seller of commodities becomes a hoarder of money." (Capital I.1.3)

The problem with the hoarder is that, for the hoarder, the means becomes an end unto itself:

>"Instead of being merely a way of mediating the metabolic process, this change of form becomes an end in itself" (ibid.)

>>6703973
You're going to go to Sheol and be kept in holding until the Second Coming, after which God will judge you and most likely send you to Hell because he's a huge dickhead.

daily reminder that the /lit/s favorite book of all time is the Holy Bible

>>6703916
The only difference between profiteering and hoarding is that profiteers will occasionally spend what they hoard.

>>6703975
not the guy you're arguing with but you're missing that the point of emphasizing M-C-M' is that it's an inversion of how most economists talk about the economy (money is a means to an end) - for capitalists in Marx, money is an end to itself. "Hoarding" is not a terrible description of it, if imprecise.

>>6703973

The Judeo-Christian God doesn't fuck with Hindus because they have Shiva who is a crazy ass dude that scares God away.

>>6703837
Rome had been a de factor monarchy since Caesar. Augustus dropped the pretenses and did everything except call himself Emperor. Tiberius had few such scruples. The notion of disposing of Caligula and returning to a Republic was the sitting consuls' idea, but with talk in the Senate of them just choosing an Emperor rather than facilitating a return to Republic it died on the vine with the Guard choosing Claudius (to prevent themselves from being abolished by an Emperor that would be handpicked by the Senate, according to Mommsen), who was actually good enough at the job that it just worked out that way. Even after the debacle with Nero, no one considered a return to the Republic. Rome was very much a functioning monarchy by the time Tiberius sat the throne, enough so that as illustrated by the aftermath of Caligula the Senate was empowered to do utterly nothing once the Guard had decided matters for them; they simply had no authority remaining and no means of seizing it for themselves.

>>6703858
>If you think that charity does anything more, than selfisly satisfy yourself, then youa re not a good christian and a hypocrite.


Hah! You are full of shit

Also I don't worship dead kikes

>>6703870
>cuckolding
>capitalism

Monogomy serves to fuel capitalism and patriarchal power structures. A true revolutionary such as yourself should embrace cuckolding as a way to stick it to us decadent capitalists and our outdated family structures

In fact you are a capitalist fascist misogonist anti intellectual if you haven't tried cuckolding

The rise of Christians is anti-liberal, but hardly "conservative" if you mean Protestant conservative. Christianity offers an alternative avenue of expression that secularism can't because it's mired in the market and identity politics

>>6703897
>everyone who dosent join me in LE communism is an idiot

No I have a broad view of history and politics and realize that a mixed economic system is the best, as does most of the civilized world.

But keep quoting Marx and tipping that fedora, makes you seem like a true "intellectual"

>>6703918
>liberals
>sexy

Yeah enjoy the obese feminists with dyed hair on Tumblr and the skinny jeans wearing passive aggressive "men"

>>6704020
>historyfag myself
delightful judgment anon. and i mean that without sarcasm.

>>6704050
I'd like to see him get his skull kicked in by union thugs

Religion is all lies that begun as hippy feel goodery and morphed into a way to control gullible populations.

>>6703750

Jesus is pretty fucking moe...

/lit/.

>>6703532
>Christians fear philosophy
Protestants do.

While I rarely mention Kierkegaard online, I reference him frequently in my two books, which were on ethics and aesthetics, respectively, and their relation to Catholicism.

What the fuck have you written?

>>6704062
Edgy

>>6704088
Protestants are warming up to philosophy. Popular apologetics makes extensive use of modern analytic theists like Craig, Swinburne and Plantinga.

>>6703992
Nah, bro, they re-invest.

>>6704006
No, I'm not missing the point. And hoarding IS a terrible description of it, along with being imprecise.

Putting aside the fact that "money" is not, as you claim, an "end to itself" in capitalism (that would be capital, which is decidedly NOT the same thing as money, though I grant you that the money-form and capital are certainly closely related), the "point" of capitalism, from the perspective of a capitalist, is the ever-increasing accumulation of capital. There is no end point, no telos. There is no stopping. There is no getting rich and getting out. There is only constant, and constantly accelerating, accumulation. This is at the very core of Marx's structural critique of capitalism tout court, and this is why we have things like overproduction crises and why Marx can say that capitalism will eventually orchestrate its own collapse. It's the fundamental premise of his whole critique.

Therefore, the hoarder, who STOPS ACCUMULATING CAPITAL and instead sits on the capital he already HAS accumulated, too scared to reinvest it, is a dumb capitalist (again, by capitalism's own logic). This is all in Capital I chapter 3. Go read it.

>>6704088
I've heard John Milbank also said Kierkegaard's thought tends more toward Catholicism than Protestantism. Could you explain to me how this is, when Kierkegaard was against stuff like clergy?

>>6703765
>realises that being a jerk makes people disinterested in your cause
>proceeds to be a jerk

>>6704092
>le edgy maymay
>posting gawker clickbait
>defending this faggot leftist pope
>namefagging

Back
To
Reddit

>>6704050
This is a good and interesting comment.

>>6704062
This is a bad and uninteresting comment.

>>6704114
Those are both legit articles posted on many new sources. It was Rush Limbaugh who called the Pope's words "pure Marxism," and The Economist which called him a Leninist.

Poor white atheists are cringeworthy because poor whites generally are. They're either social climbers, which comes off as cringey, or they reject any sort of social standard and stay proud hicks and juggalos.

Not sure why people expected them to upgrade to patricians when they became atheists. It can't fix that.

A lot of posts here seem to reflect the anxiety of those who chose not climb though. An attempt to pull them back, by those poor whites who choose to wallow in their own shit.

>>6704051
Right, so you're again mixing me up with other posters, but in any case I think your whole "most of the civilized world" comment is pretty telling. Care to cite any sources? What qualifies as "civilized" to you? I'm willing to bet that the word means "rich white countries" in your usage, and I'm willing to bet that you've never seriously considered the reasons why those countries have a vested interest in claiming that "a mixed economic system is the best." Best for them, certainly.

In any case, if I'm right, and you do in fact use "civilized" to mean "rich and white," then I highly, highly recommend you read some Antonio Gramsci (especially "The Southern Question"), some Bharati Mukherjee, and some Dipesh Chakrabarty to start. Think from the side of the poorest people in the world - the people who are starving to death. Let's take care of them first. Your "mixed economic system" ain't doing that, and the people who "realize [it] is the best" sure as shit don't want you to think about the human beings it grinds into the dust as a precondition of its very existence.

As for "quoting Marx"... we are on a literature forum... So I'm not going to apologize for that.

>>6704020

Oh, I'm not arguing that the republic couldn't really return after the reigns of Augustus and Tiberius. What I am saying is that several aristocrats wanted a return of the republic and thought it might be possible. There's a reason why it wasn't only Caligula who was assassinated but most of the Imperial family.

While it is likely that ever if they'd got Claudius it just would have meant a new imperial dynasty (as in the case of Vespasian after Nero) and not a return to a republic there were many at the time who did want return to the republic.

My argument is that from what we can tell from the gospels Jesus is not presented as someone who is anti the Roman monarchy, or monarchy as a political institution.

>>6704103
To put it simply, Catholicism puts more emphasis on the importance of sacrifice to live an ethical life, as well as a larger emphasis on trusting God and one's instincts.
http://ndpr.nd.edu/news/27748-kierkegaard-and-the-catholic-tradition-conflict-and-dialogue-2/
>when Kierkegaard was against stuff like clergy?
He was against organized religion as a whole because it treats ceremony as the core of Christianity rather than faith in God.

I wouldn't call Kierkegaard a Catholic, though.

>>6704139
This is a depressing thought (though not without basis). Any ideas as to how to make "poor whites" less "cringeworthy"?

>>6704141
Your entire premise falls flat on it's face because I didn't mean rich and white.

In every continent the majority of nations have a mixed economic system. These are the civilized ones. The uncivilized ones are the holdouts clinging to communism or the rare Pinochet type free market experiment.

This is why we don't make assumptions fool.

>rich white countries

Try again.

>>6704126
What does what Rush or the economist have to do with anything?

>>6704152
You'll notice all these pics are not talking about atheism. They're talking about what their atheism says about *them*. How much better it makes them. Just like the Christian that lords their holiness over others. This should rightfully be made fun of.

Improving yourself for the challenge of it, for the sake of your community or family, or just to improve your personal lot in life (But not your social status per se) seem like healthier goals. And they reject the sick social caste system many people feel they have to compete in.

>>6704181
Name me one "mixed economic system" that is neither a rich and white country nor a client state for rich and white capitalist countries. Just one.

>>6704191
Iran

>>6704191
You can stop putting mixed economic system in quotes too, it's rather unnesseacary

>>6704186
OK, I'll buy what you're selling, but how, exactly, does one get this message to poor white people? Is it even sane to rely on the public education system/the academy any longer? It seems unlikely that you're going to get good class-conscious art/media to them without petit bourgeois shills like the hacks in the American media shitting all over it. Basically, how do you rescue these people from the lumpenproletariat/get rid of the lumpenproletariat altogether? Surely we're not willing to just accept the lumpenproletariat's inevitable and unpleasant existence in the way Marx did?

>>6704199
>>6704204
Iran's leading trade partners:

China
>Client state of rich white countries

India
>Client state of rich white countries

Germany
>Rich white country

South Korea
>Client state to rich white countries

Japan
>Client state to rich white countries

France
>Rich white country

Russia
>Rich white country

Italy
>Rich white country

...

>>6704213
Huh you're right, Iran really has been a Western aligned nation all along

North Korea trades with China who has economic ties to the west so they too are Western aligned.

What's this? The Soviet Union's industrialized trade partners included the countries of Western Europe, as well as Australia, Canada, Japan, New Zealand, South Africa, and the United States?

They were a white capitalist puppet as well!

>>6704239
If you're trying to suggest that the USSR, of all entities, was legitimately a communist state, then I think we've reached the point of the conversation where I back away from my computer, smiling and shaking my head in disbelief.

There is no such thing as a "mixed economic system," because there is no longer any such thing as a "national economy." There is one economy, and it is global, and it is capitalist. If you think that DPRK escapes the reach of global capital because that's what it claims, well, then I don't know what to tell you. Do you also believe it when it claims to be a "Democratic People's Republic"?

As Frederic Jameson has written in Postmodernism, or the Cultural Logic of Late Capital, the great achievement of 20th century capitalism was its ability to institute guardrails on its own tendencies towards rampant rapacity and spoil. Marx didn't think capitalism had such self-control in it, and he was wrong. That self-control ensured that capitalism could effectively slow its historical trajectory towards self-destruction. The reason I insist upon putting "mixed economic system" in quotes is because a "mixed economic system" is little more than lipstick applied to the lips of capitalism's metaphorical pig. Capital buys you, me, and everyone else who works for a living off with the fancy mobile phones, computers, and televisions that distract us and dilute our critical thinking capacities to the point where we become sated on electronic opiates. It proffers a "helping hand" to those who need welfare (at the expense of their humanity and dignity) within the borders of wealthy white countries while brutally exploiting those who live beyond those borders. It purports to be a "mixed" system when in reality it sweeps the blood and the sweat and the broken bodies that make our phones and tablets and cheap clothing and affordable produce out of sight (i.e., in the vagaries of the international market) and, apparently, out of mind. The system looks mixed to you and me, but on a global level, it isn't. No nation escapes it. Your supposed centrism is an ideological fever dream born of ignorance - not that you're to be blamed for such ignorance, necessarily; that's how the system is supposed to work.

"Most of the civilized world" operates under a "mixed economic system" in the name of pragmatism, of realism, of practicality. This is either because they have found such terminology a useful tool to silence the poor and dispossessed within their borders or because they cannot openly embrace alternative economic practices. They know the consequences of defying the capitalist powers - and I don't mean nations, I mean capitalists who lobby nations to effectively do their bidding.

>>6704282
Five star post.

>>6704213
Yeah, it would be a bit suicidal to cut off all trade to any wealthy nations.

Literally because of fedora memes.

>mfw people genuinely change their opinions based on arguments

Call me a faggot, but I've always been an atheist, and it would take a lot of evidence to the contrary to make me change my ways, since it just feels so right.

That's why I get along with Christians and Muslims, probably.

I really doubt so many people have views based on some logical conclusion rather than their personal instincts dictate - though there are those that follow "trends," without seemingly believing or disbelieving in anything in particular.

>>6704321
I was a theist because it felt nice until I realized it was foolish. Maybe your ideas apply to you, but not to everyone.

>>6704300
Five star post? Are you same gagging right now? This fool completely side stepped the point after he got wrecked by his own request.

>f you're trying to suggest that the USSR, of all entities, was legitimately a communist state, then I think we've reached the point of the conversation where I back away from my computer, smiling and shaking my head in disbelief.

You give this fucking idiot way too much credit. Once again he has made assumptions that he was completely wrong on.

I'm done talking to him (or you). In fact he never demonstrated WHY a system that draws from both communism and capitalism is bad, he just described globalism which isn't what our conversation was about at all.

TLDR: Claiming I said things I never did and failing to articulate why his system is better, instead going off on a tangent about globalism

tldr for the tldr: Psudeointellectualism meets ADD

>>6704282
I bet you think that because states are "social constructs" that they don't exist.

Why are athiest being close minded about christians? Again the biggest hypocrites on the internet.

>>6704282
Nice post, its good to see someone blow their load on /lit/ every once in a while but maybe mixed economic system is a broader term. Pure capitalism would be hell.

>>6704335
Well you see I have to step away from the computer smiling at your ignorance.

You see all states are puppets of white capitalist influence and globalism. Your "mixed economic systems" can't save you. Iran trades with Korea. This is relevant to our current conversation.

>>6704345
Fucking 10 star post. You went straight on to the topic and gave it your all and blasted that cuck away.

I can't give you enough credit.

tl;dr You da best

tl;tl;dr;dr Communism sucks, states might exist in a quantum indeterminate state and Russia smiles condescendingly at you capitalist scum. Read some Chomsky before you talk to me.

>>6704328
OK, sweetheart, I'll speak in slow, simple sentences, so that you don't get lost.

>he never demonstrated WHY a system that draws from both communism and capitalism is bad, he just described globalism which isn't what our conversation was about at all

That is, in fact, exactly what our conversation was about. "a system that draws from both communism and capitalism" is neither good nor bad because it does not exist, has not existed, and will never exist. There is no such system. There is only one system, here and everywhere, in all nations, and that is late capitalism.

Good night, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, and try not to lose too much sleep over all this. You tried.

>>6704340

>let's scoop them all up in the same basket like they do to us!

...

>>6704340
/thread

Chritians are some of the nicest people youll ever meet. Theres good and bad in both religions! Actually go to a church or watch the programs on tv!. Watch it with an open mind. They pray, donate, and the only reason the tell you you're a sinner is because they want to help you with that.

This is an example of a fantastic great christian who guided these teens
https://youtu.be/_fmgG3yBdg4

>>6704335
Saying that something is a social construct is not the same as saying it doesn't exist, and anyone who claims that that is the case is a fucking moron. Luckily, I have literally never once happened across someone stupid enough to believe this, masturbatory strawmen constructed on pol/ notwithstanding.

Saying that something is a social construct and that it needs to be re-thought and/or combatted and/or rejected as an empirical and unchangeable fact remains valuable.

>>6704373
>They pray, donate, and the only reason the tell you you're a sinner is because they want to help you with that.

The problem lies in how far they're willing to "help" you.

People cite the men of the Inquisition as some psychotic tormentors, but most of us know that's not true; they genuinely believed a little pain and/or burning in this life would be worth it if it spared you from eternal damnation. And can you blame them?

But at the same time, it's things like these that make me dislike people who try to "help" you when you're not asking for it. But then again, a lot of people will never ask for help, and they really need it, so it's fucked up how thin the line is.

But anyway, yes, Christians can be pretty nice people - at least Western ones. As a Romanian I don't think most Slavs are nice, and whether or not they're Christian has jack shit to do with it.

>>6704373

>the only reason the tell you you're a sinner is because they want to help you with that.

Yes, and the only reason vulture capitalists like underpaid labor is because they want to 'help' more people lead productive lives

>>6704393
That comparison gave me cancer
Literally had nothing to do with the post, just a fedoradude who thinks unpaid labor and capitalism has anything to do with religion and helping others out. My gosh you are so stupid

>>6703799
>no nation
>no socialism
Done. National appeal is much younger than Jesus, also, his socialism is way too different to be called real, modern socialism.

>>6704405
ho ho ho rek'dem>>6704393

>>6704393
Waiting for anons comment
No comeback has came
Atheist met his match

>>6704393
Are you suggesting that if you're slothful and greedy, it's religion's fault?

>>6704427
No one really has a clue, sounded like hes just talking out of his ass. Dont say or spell the slightest thing wrong. Hes an atheistfag who will probably point out spelling errors other than making actual smart responses

>>6703499
Will you stop it with the conservative-progressive/christian-atheist dichotomy?

Most of people who post about christian literature/theology/mysticism here are not conservative.

>>6704449
>>6704420
>>6704410
>>6704405

So samefag it fucking hurts

>>6704516

Will you stop it with the dichotomy-demonstrative/dichotomy-nondemonstrative dichotomy?

Most of people who post about christian literature/theology/mysticism here are not dichotomies.

Nobody is "shaming" atheism.
Atheists are confirmed for not handling the bant.
The euphoria meme must have hit something true.

>>6703499
>conservative Christianity on /lit/
There is no rise of conservative Christianity on /lit/. There is a lot of vague, philosophically minded people who fit somewhere on the Christian spectrum---a lot of people into Eastern Orthodoxy, Catholocism, and mysticism---but there really aren't many conservative Christians at all. You can start a post with Soren Kierkegaard and get a hundred vague responses about philosophy, but that's about it.

>>6703675
entirely this

>>6703731
this

if we're comparing the worst of both groups there are plenty of heinous villains who worshipped christ, WBC being a relatively harmless example.

Like most things on 4chan, it started as an epic ironic meme. Initially, it was very dank and everyone memed well and often. Then, clever newfriends came and thought it was real, and now /lit/ is populated by those people, as most oldfellows have become disgusted and left. The end.

>>6705013
What the fuck dude that's my hedgehog pic

>>6703499

I know this chap. Speakers Corner is a right-old laff.

>>6705015
I masturbate to it often

Your dear little hedgehog is no longer innocent hahahahaha

What do people think of Rowan Williams? Where should I start reading?

If you want my opinion, christianity threads here raised at the same time we got that shitty pony board. Just saying

>>6705604
hello newfag. There have always been christianity threads on /lit/ the atheism threads only started when le leftypol army started raiding.