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Hey all. I'm looking to delve into the Greeks this winter. I'm following the /lit/ wiki guide and my only problem is I find the different colours of the lines a little hard to decipher without a legend.

Can I get confirmation this is the best order to read the selections in? By best I mean the most sensible in terms of progression.

Mythology - Edith Hamilton
The Trojan War: A New History – Barry Strauss
The Illiad – Homer (Robert Fagles)
The Odyssey – Homer (Robert Fagles)
The Aeneid – Virgil (Robert Fagles)
Greek Epic Fragments – Martin L. West
The Histories – Herodotus (Penguin Classics)
History of the Peloponnesian War – Thucydides (Penguin Classics)
The Cambridge Companion to Greek and Roman Theater
The Oedipus Plays of Sophocles – Paul Roche
Electra and Other Poems – Penguin Classics
Electra and Other Poems – Euripides
Hesiod and Theognis – Penguin Classics
The First Philosophers – Oxford World’s Classics (The Presocratics and the Sophists)
Plato: Complete Works – John M. Cooper (Don’t read the Republic first)
The Complete Works of Aristotle – Revised Oxford

>> No.6673127
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6673127

Read a History of Brief (Pomeroys or Kagans)
Read Mythology
Read Homer's Epics (Aeniad is Roman)
Read Hesiod
Read Herodotus and Thucydides (Xenophon if you want more)
Read the Theban Plays at least (Read the other playwrights if ya like)
Read the Pre-Socratics
Read the main works of Plato and Aristotle
Then you could read more greeks if ya like or move onto the Bible; after the bible read what you like.

You don't need all the extra stuff like fragments or the Cambridge companion, but by no means am I saying don't read them.

>> No.6673161

Is Epictetus not essential? Because the Enchiridion is awesome.

Lives and Opinions of Eminent Philosophers by Diogenes Laërtius also gives good historical and folkloric context to the Greek philosophers, especially the presocratics.

>> No.6673499

>>6673127
Thanks for the image and guide. Very helpful. As for extra stuff like fragments and the companion, I like absorbing as much as possible especially if it's stuff like the companion which presumably helps frame things, so I probably will read those as well.

Hadn't thought of doing a Bible read right after the Greeks. Was thinking of going for the Romans next. Or picking up some beginner's philosophy books to try and chart out a good direction forward.

>>6673161
Thanks for these recommendations! Any idea where you'd place them in that reading order? I'll write those two down anyway because they sound worthwhile.

>> No.6673528

>>6673074
The Aeneid aint Greek.

>> No.6673554

Anybody got an ebook of Paul Roche's Sophocles translations?

>> No.6673591

Depends how in-depth you want to get. I'd suggest reading the essentials and then, if you wanted, to go back to read the other works(including the supplementary stuff like the theater companion). Also, if you're going to read the Bible, then read the Old Testament alongside the Greeks. That way if you proceed with the Romans then you're not reading this mammoth text all at once.

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>>6673127
>>6673499

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>> No.6673798

>>6673528
I just thought it would make the most sense to read it there.

>>6673591
I'm fine with getting in-depth. Your idea on when to read the Bible sounds worthwhile though.

>>6673635
Care to clarify a bit more?

>> No.6673864

>>6673798
>Care to clarify a bit more?
He's probably pointing out that the Arabic and Persian philosophers took Greek philosophy to its highest classical level.

>> No.6674074

>>6673864
Interesting. So should I read those texts after the order I have in the OP? I'm open to all suggestions.

>> No.6674549

>>6673499
Well Chronologically speaking, I guess you would read Epictetus last, since he was a stoic philosopher born in the first century AD. Look for connections between his opinion on "Appearances" and Jesus's idea of turning the other cheek.

I would read Laertius while you're reading the presocratics, since it will give them good context and set the stage for Plato and Aristotle.

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>>6673074
>MFW I was just wondering where I should start

>MFW I've been reading The Iliad and Edith Hamilton's Mythology simultaneously.

Also: holy shit, why did I wait this long to start reading Homer? why didn't anyone tell me that it was so fucking good?

>> No.6676757

>>6673127
Is this realistic? I mean, don't students spend decades studying greek?
Is Greek understandable to the degree that one would learn it, is say... 3 or 4 months?

>> No.6676769

>>6673074
Why is Hamilton's Mythology the recomended read and not Graves' Greek Myths? Asking because I have a bitching edition of Graves that I'm thirsting to put to good use next semester.

>> No.6676964

>>6676757
Not sure if serious. The works are translated into English.